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Bill Gates Swears Vow Against 'Son of iPod'

Future Linux-Guru writes "The LA Times is running an article on Microsoft's efforts to preempt any single manufacturer from dominating the online video market. Among the scarier revelations is the development of AACS, a new already approved security system designed to prevent piracy on HD DVDs, which subjects users to forced upgrades." From the article: "Whichever way it shakes out, Gates vows not to play the victim in 'Son of iPod.' After learning a hard lesson in the digital music business, 'we're really having to work more closely with partners in the hardware industry and content industry, to really think through the whole end-to-end experience and make it better,' Gates said. 'That's where we've done our mea culpa. We are fixing that.'"

393 comments

  1. Son of iPod? by Da+Fokka · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, what's the son of iPod going to be called?

    e-Sus?

    1. Re:Son of iPod? by FHMyles · · Score: 1

      Where is the Moderated Funny?

    2. Re: Son of iPod? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny


      > So, what's the son of iPod going to be called?

      O'iPod?

      MaciPod?

      Ben iPod?

      iPodson?

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    3. Re:Son of iPod? by matt21811 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The iPod equivalent for movies is a laptop.

      The Apple iTunes music store is successful because the iPod is sccuessful. Not the other way around. The fact that the iTMS has a good range and reasonable DRM just ensures repeat custom.

      The only way Bill will lose out in this market is if he fails to get his software loaded on most laptops or he creates a truely crap product even by MS standards. I dont see what all the fuss is about.

    4. Re:Son of iPod? by rcamera · · Score: 1

      i would think the ipod equivalent for movies was a portable dvd player...

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    5. Re:Son of iPod? by Orgazmus · · Score: 1

      Portable CD-Player -> Portable DVD-Player
      HDD Mp3-Player -> HDD DivX-Player

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    6. Re:Son of iPod? by shiller · · Score: 2, Funny

      Son of a bitch?

    7. Re:Son of iPod? by damsa · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apple likes to use i,power and e as prefixes. So it will either be called powerPod, or ePod. I think ePod as son of the iPod, and PowerPod will be the father of the iPod, and my guess will be //Pod will be the grand father of the ipod. Oh, and the Uncle of the iPod, that no one talks about will be called the LisaPod.

    8. Re:Son of iPod? by matt21811 · · Score: 1

      You are correct.

      But to play internet sourced movies, it needs a NIC, a hard drive and a decent prcessor. Thats a laptop.
      Portable DVD players even look like laptops. They have similar sized screens and the clamshell design.

    9. Re:Son of iPod? by Lobo · · Score: 1

      Or possibly a Sony PSP?

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    10. Re:Son of iPod? by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      So, what's the son of iPod going to be called?

      Son of Satan :P

    11. Re: Son of iPod? by rikkards · · Score: 1

      I prefer iPodovich. Has a better ring to it.

    12. Re: Son of iPod? by mocm · · Score: 1

      bin iPod
      KipiPod

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    13. Re:Son of iPod? by Planesdragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      The iPod equivalent for movies is a laptop.

      Ah, no. THe iPod equivalent for "movies" will be whomever has their PDA/dedicated device linked to an easy to use store/download center first.

      It might be a video iPod. It might be a palm lifedrive. It might be a Windows Mobile device. Or, it might just be the PSP.

      The one thing I'm sure it won't be is a laptop.

    14. Re: Son of iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Sorry to be pedantic about your sig, but I think you meant to write "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?".

      Or maybe you meant "Quis custodiet ipso Custod?", meaning "Who proofreads the Guardian?"

      :)

    15. Re:Son of iPod? by jcr · · Score: 1

      The iPod equivalent for movies is a laptop.

      Bingo!

      I watch movies on my PB anytime I have to fly back east. So far, I've probably caused quite a few of them to be sold, when people noticed that I was watching something decent, instead of whatever third-rate movie the airline sprung for.

      Now, if I could just get a laptop disk drive that can hold a hundred movies or so, I'd be all set.

      -jcr

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    16. Re:Son of iPod? by agraupe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem with the iPod-sized movie player is that people don't want to watch movies on a small screen. You can already watch DivX movies easily on a PocketPC. Now with CF Cards coming down in price, you can watch them at decent quality. I have been there and done that. Why didn't I like it? Well, it was small, and you can't watch a movie like you can listen to music. With a movie, you have to pay some attention, which pretty much rules it out as an on-the-go activity. What would be interesting is something like the iPod for movies, that plugs into an already existant screen.

    17. Re:Son of iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may laugh... but coming soon:

      The Bride of iPod
      The Revenge of iPod
      Abbot and Costello Meet iPod
      iPod at the Bottom of the Sea

      and penultimately:

      The Revenge of The Son of The Bride of iPod

    18. Re:Son of iPod? by VoidEngineer · · Score: 1

      Close, but not quite. The keyboard is extraneous for use as a video player. The iPod equivalent for movies is a slate style Tablet (with built in wire-stand for use, as needed). I just bought a Tablet myself, and the difference is obvious. The laptop is still trying to be a typewriter at some level, whereas the slate Tablet is obviously an interactive media (movie/video) display. Personal experience and opinion: Tablets are the movie equivalent of iPods. Check them out.

    19. Re:Son of iPod? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Informative

      What would be interesting is something like the iPod for movies, that plugs into an already existant screen.

      Nope, what would be interesting is something like the Mitsubishi Pocket LED DLP Projector http://www.mitsubishi-presentations.com/proj_pocke t.asp with a HDD DivX or similar player built in. Just add Flat White Surface and you're up and running.

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    20. Re: Son of iPod? by mocm · · Score: 1

      Right, thanks.

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    21. Re:Son of iPod? by jcr · · Score: 1

      The one thing I'm sure it won't be is a laptop.

      YMMV, but I really hate to watch a movie on any screen smaller than the one in a 15" Powerbook.

      -jcr

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    22. Re:Son of iPod? by jcr · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Tablets are the movie equivalent of iPods. Check them out.

      Show me one that won't be infected within ten minutes of connecting to a network, and I might.

      -jcr

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    23. Re:Son of iPod? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      The Filesharing Menace
      Attack of the Lawyers
      Revenge of the RIAA
      A New iPod
      Microsoft Strikes Back
      Return of the Apple

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    24. Re:Son of iPod? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Funny

      Presumably on the plane you weren't watching "Where the Boys Aren't, Vol. 37".

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    25. Re:Son of iPod? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      McChicken McBiscuit Chicken McGristle, yeah, companies love to do that.

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    26. Re: Son of iPod? by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      ipodson... they could have mr miagi go ipod-san! for the ads!

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    27. Re:Son of iPod? by Aumaden · · Score: 2, Funny
      Does this mean MS will strike back with ...
      iePod!?
    28. Re:Son of iPod? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      You could just plug glasses with screens in. Then you'd have a virtual screen of a decent size.

      After all, you don't run around with your music player trying to find speakers to plug it in.

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    29. Re: Son of iPod? by sykjoke · · Score: 1

      Or in Microsofts case fitz-Ipod

    30. Re:Son of iPod? by jav1231 · · Score: 1

      I think you're right on there. It's nice view pictures and such on a small screen, but besides watching a movie on a plane or something, this has little appeal.

    31. Re:Son of iPod? by jcr · · Score: 1

      Heh..

      No, I haven't gotten around to removing the top polarizer on the display yet..

      -jcr

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    32. Re:Son of iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They said the same thing about video games when the gameboy first came out. They sure were right about that.

    33. Re:Son of iPod? by matt21811 · · Score: 1

      One thing that I'm sure of is that you have never watched a movie on the tiny screen of a palm or a Windows Mobile device. If you had then you wouldn't be making this comment.

      As soon as the screen is enlarged to a decent size, the device has a hard drive, a network adapter and decent CPU power it might as well be a laptop.

    34. Re:Son of iPod? by Sandor+at+the+Zoo · · Score: 1
      Let's try this:

      But to play internet sourced music, it needs a NIC, a hard drive and a decent prcessor. Thats a laptop.

      So, clearly the iPod cannot be popular for playing music. :-)

      Using the same sync model that the iPod uses, a (cheap) custom chip for H.264 decoding, and a larger color screen, a vPod could be possible. Whether it would be useful, or sell a lot is a different discussion.

      Or we could be way off, and it may be an Airport Express doohickey that streams from your Mac to your TV, as revealed by as see on TV. :-)

    35. Re:Son of iPod? by ksheff · · Score: 1

      and heaven help anyone else that thinks they can make money on something and not give MSFT a cut of it. Bill is going to be out on street corner begging for change with a little tin cup. all because he couldn't monopolize online music sales. boo-hoo.

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    36. Re: Son of iPod? by DimGeo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, why, iPodov, iPodski or iPodovski, of course! ;) Or, if it is a daughter, iPodova!

    37. Re: Son of iPod? by carpltunl · · Score: 0

      iPodson

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    38. Re:Son of iPod? by kgruscho · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because clearly you'll believe?

      My tablet is 7 months with 0 infections. About half the time it is on it has a net connection.

      Desktop, same deal. Both Windows XP.

      I haven't had a virus or worm since about 1993, it was a trojan in a nice DOS file manager called valet.

      Now it would be worse if I were running a server, but if you are planning on running a server on a tablet, clearly you are not a typical user.

    39. Re:Son of iPod? by Sodki · · Score: 1

      iIpod, of course.

    40. Re:Son of iPod? by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1
      What would be interesting for me, with up and coming e-paper, a literally "fold out" screen. The colours are vibrant, it doesn't take much power and they're already working up to an A4 version. Even if it remained at A5, you'd be able, hypothetically, to hook up several of them and simply fold them up to A5 size when finished.

      A5 isn't much larger than the current handheld device, but A4 most definitely is, and all you need is appropriate software and you could link a couple together to end up with something like a newspaper size sheet. Stand it up on one of those train tables, or hang it from the seat in front - it'd be the best you could make out of such a situation, what with space constraints. You wouldn't want it too large, anyway, since you'd be pretty close.

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    41. Re:Son of iPod? by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      Since when did you surf the internet with your iPod? If you use a tablet PC in the same manner as an iPod, but for watching movies, this statement is completely irrelevant, as well as the fact that it won't get infected if you make attempts to secure the thing.

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    42. Re:Son of iPod? by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      In all seriousness, I think the father of the iPod is the Newton. There are definite similarities. Look at some of the newer features that have been added over time via firmware upgrades. My iPod has notes, books in text format, addresses and my calendar! Now if apple could find away to let me edit them, I would not need my 20 dollar palm zire anymore. :)

    43. Re: Son of iPod? by YomikoReadman · · Score: 1

      As has been posted in other replies, iPodovich would be the proper russian, seeing as it translates to 'Son of iPod'

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    44. Re:Son of iPod? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      That has an 800X600 resolution. How are you supposed to playback HD with that?

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    45. Re:Son of iPod? by superflippy · · Score: 1

      With a movie, you have to pay some attention, which pretty much rules it out as an on-the-go activity.

      However, I would love to be able to download episodes of reality shows I watch, so if I miss one I can catch up before next week. For most of those shows, tiny picture and not-so-great sound quality wouldn't matter. Plus, many TV shows are short enough to watch on a lunch break.

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    46. Re:Son of iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pod-zookie!

    47. Re:Son of iPod? by sgt_doom · · Score: 1
      Say, didn't Bill also vow to make BOB the next great UI? Anybody remember BOB???

      And didn't he vow to "out Google" Google???? Hmmmmmmm.....

    48. Re:Son of iPod? by Superfarstucker · · Score: 1

      WTF? a DLP chip running on a battery powered device? LOL.

    49. Re:Son of iPod? by quanticle · · Score: 1

      The problem with e-paper is the terribly slow refresh rates that it can support. Current e-paper designs are gearing up to be little more than dynamic books, which need a far slower refresh rate than video.

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    50. Re:Son of iPod? by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The iPod equivalent for movies is a laptop.

      Only for freaks.

      The iPod works because the walkman already established that listening to music via headphones is cool.

      No such equivalent exists in the movie world. On the contrary, the current trend is more towards home theatre systems. Initial attempts at mobility were aborted, because watching some half-assed hollywood crap on a tiny screen just sucks badly. On a big screen, you can at least enjoy the special effects.

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    51. Re:Son of iPod? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      epaper has been "coming" for years now. It'll be nice when it happens, but don't hold your breath.

      Wake me up when I can crease it and it won't break.

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    52. Re:Son of iPod? by ersgameboy · · Score: 1

      Movies aren't the idea behind a device like this. Personally, I would think the target for this would be TV shows. I would love to have episodes of the Simpsons, Space Ghost, and Newsradio available to watch for car trips, train trips, and waiting for my wife to pick me up from work.

    53. Re:Son of iPod? by Forbman · · Score: 1

      e talks about will be called the LisaPod.

      Why not just the Pink Lady?

    54. Re:Son of iPod? by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      Point taken... I guess, though, that the technology will probably come at some, point, but not soon enough even for slashdot talk... Until then, I guess a tablet PC is the best bet, as long as it has enough oomph to get the job done.

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    55. Re:Son of iPod? by quanticle · · Score: 1

      How is a tablet PC different from a laptop again (in size and weight)?

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    56. Re:Son of iPod? by Charles+W+Griswold · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a difference between music and video. Music has maybe three widely used encodings: wma, mp3, and ogg. These formats are pretty stable, and it's no real trouble to design a music player that will support all three.

      Movies are a whole other ball of wax, though. There are literally dozens of different codecs, with no clear winner, and no way of telling which codec you'll need just from looking at the file name. If (for instance) you have an ogg player and an ogg file, you know that you'll be able to listen to your music. But, if you have an mpeg file, you can't know if it'll work with your mpeg player without trying it. If it work, you may or may not be able to find the proper codec.

      These are serious issues that need to be addressed before we can have a universal portable movie file player. Of course, if you just want to lock people into one particular codec, then it's no problem.

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    57. Re:Son of iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. iTunes is successful due to the (then) innovative pricing model for songs. Prior to iTunes, you had to purchase an entire digitized CD for $10. We generally buy CD's for the one song or two we heard on the radio. Apple realized this fact and let folks purchase what they wanted, not the other 8 crap songs that suck. Bundling this model with a "secure" player and killer marketing sewed it up. I think any company could have done the same thing.

    58. Re:Son of iPod? by LatePaul · · Score: 1
      Now, if I could just get a laptop disk drive that can hold a hundred movies or so, I'd be all set.

      What format are you using for movies and how big's your hard-drive?

      It's perfectly possible to encode a 2-hour movie to 700Mb in reasonable quality. 100 * 700Mb = 70Gb, my PB has an 80Gb drive. Of course 'reasonable quality' is very subjective so you may want to up that 700Mb, and you may have a smaller hard drive, but even so you're talking a fairly large collection of movies.

    59. Re:Son of iPod? by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      I watch movies on my PB anytime I have to fly back east. So far, I've probably caused quite a few of them to be sold, when people noticed that I was watching something decent, instead of whatever third-rate movie the airline sprung for.

      I'd like to see the other passengers' reactions when you start playing something like Airplane!...or better yet, Airport.

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    60. Re:Son of iPod? by nintendo_is_a_cereal · · Score: 1

      Apparently you haven't been paying attention to sales of UMD's for the PSP. Despite being overpriced and only working on a $250 player they're selling rather well last I heard (they broke the 100,000 sales barrier faster than DVD). There's definetly a market for portable video and Sony is already trying to control it. At the current rate I'd wager they market the PSP as primarily a movie player sometime by the end of the year/early next year.

    61. Re:Son of iPod? by neuro.slug · · Score: 1

      Knowing Microsoft, it will be called MyPod.

      The irony is that none of the music you download would belong to you.

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    62. Re: Son of iPod? by urmensch · · Score: 1

      I'm not totally sure about this, but I believe san and sama are honorifics.

    63. Re:Son of iPod? by Markus_UW · · Score: 1

      Sadly, drive space is often occupied by pesky things called programs, and a substance known as data, so the quest for 100 movies on a drive really needs somewhere in the 100+ GB range.

    64. Re:Son of iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Show me one that won't be infected within ten minutes of connecting to a network, and I might.

      So, how's the trolling going, trolly?

      How about I drop trou and bend over...I think that you'll see everything that you need.

    65. Re: Son of iPod? by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      iPodez ( ez = son in spanish)
      iPodroo (ditto in japanese)

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    66. Re:Son of iPod? by dasdrewid · · Score: 1

      I'd rather the laptop... At 800x600, on, say, a 6 foot wall? Wouldn't be much (if any) better than an old big screen with SD.

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    67. Re:Son of iPod? by LatePaul · · Score: 1

      I don't have my laptop here but at a guess I'd say programs and non-media data take up less than 10Gb, possibly less than 5Gb.

      But then I guess it depends what else you want to do with your laptop. If you're actually creating/editing your own graphics/sound/video then you'll probably use a lot. Someone like me who uses it mainly for web, email, writing and an occasional dabble in programming doesn't generate much of their own data.

      My point would be that you can comfortably get 'of the order of' 100 movies - if you have a reasonable amount of disc set aside for it. The previous poster seemed unaware of that. In reality I wonder if he'd willing to settle for maybe 50, or 30. I mean how many spare batteries can he have ;)

      Then there's always external drives.

    68. Re:Son of iPod? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1
      The only way Bill will lose out in this market is if he fails to get his software loaded on most laptops or he creates a truely crap product even by MS standards.

      I would say it's probably the latter. My friend recently bought a Media Center laptop. She hates it because it (Media Center) crashes on her all the time. The laptop was specifically made to do that. It wasn't modified as an after thought.

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    69. Re:Son of iPod? by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      A tablet PC, when it's not a laptop with a rotatable lid, doesn't have the keyboard part, is lighter and has less depth.

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    70. Re:Son of iPod? by sahala · · Score: 1

      Definitely interesting but impractical. First off, contrast goes out the window unless you can control lighting conditions. Secondly, flat white surfaces aren't that easy to find. You'd look like a tool throwing the projection against the back of an airplane seat. Also, while it's tiny it's a separate unit, which means you'll need to bring around a playback device and cables. The projector does look awesome for other applications, however. I'd love to have one of these in the office for impromptu reviews.

    71. Re:Son of iPod? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just add Flat White Surface and you're up and running.

      250 lux? That's a Flat White Surface in a pitch Black Room.

      The correct answer was 'lasers' but they're not quite on the market yet.

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    72. Re: Son of iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OediPod

    73. Re:Son of iPod? by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

      People generally use an iPod while doing something else. Wearing headphones doesn't make it hard to walk around and navigate. Wearing a pair of movie glasses kind of does. I think a portable video player has less of a reason to exist than a portable audio player. That doesn't mean it won't be made, but it won't have as large a market of buyers.

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    74. Re:Son of iPod? by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      The problem with the iPod-sized movie player is that people don't want to watch movies on a small screen. You can already watch DivX movies easily on a PocketPC. Now with CF Cards coming down in price, you can watch them at decent quality. I have been there and done that. Why didn't I like it? Well, it was small, and you can't watch a movie like you can listen to music. With a movie, you have to pay some attention, which pretty much rules it out as an on-the-go activity. What would be interesting is something like the iPod for movies, that plugs into an already existant screen.

      You know I used to totally agree with this... but I think I have changed my mind. The logic is sound insofar as the Palm-style versions have been very lacking, both in acquisition of content and final experience (i.e. long tall screen on those devices for widescreen content).

      However - I got a PSP for my birthday, and it works much better. I think the trick is, long-form content is only suitable for long-form travel (planes, trains, long car trips). Short-form content is much easier.

      I'll give you an example - and I'll say up front, the elbow-grease part is about the same for PSP as it is for a PocketPC (i.e. you have to know what you are doing to get good results, currently... but hey this is Slashdot).

      Right now I have a system whereby my computer (Mac) downloads highlight clips of the Daily Show each night into a folder. This folder has been fitted with a folder script made with Automator that compresses the clip into PSP-friendly format, then puts it in a PSPWare drop box (sync folder for the PSPWare application). So when I sync my PSP in the morning I have around 20 minutes of fresh content, which is perfect for my Toronto streetcar commute.

      I've only watched one full-length movie on the thing so far and it was a pretty good experience once I found a way to prop the thing up (Logitech case). Don't write off all 'passive' content as being unsuitable for portable purposes. It's just heavily time-dependant. Television fits this bill pretty well as your typical 30-minute show, with commercials removed (is that treason yet?), is about 22 minutes. Episodic stuff would work fantastically well.

      Personally I am holding out hope for a PSP Flash Player that lets me throw a few dozen Strong Bads on the memory card. :)

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    75. Re:Son of iPod? by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      iPod, mePod, youPod, shePod

    76. Re: Son of iPod? by DimGeo · · Score: 1

      I am not Russian, you insensitive clod ;) I am Bulgarian :P .

    77. Re:Son of iPod? by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      One thing that I'm sure of is that you have never watched a movie on the tiny screen of a palm or a Windows Mobile device

      Wrong. I have two Lifedrives -- one each for me & the mrs -- and i've watched more than a few movies on them.

      You hold the thing in your hand, get comfortable, and watch. If it weren't for the hassle of converting video to divix -- and the lack of a tv tuner in my PC -- i'd likely not turn on my tv just for me ever again.

    78. Re: Son of iPod? by Adartse.Liminality · · Score: 0
      iPodez ( ez = son in spanish)
      ez=son?? certainly NOT, para nada amigo, And I have doubts on the japanese part too.
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    79. Re:Son of iPod? by Mind+Socket · · Score: 1

      iPodawan!

    80. Re:Son of iPod? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      it will be called MyPod

      Leading to the inevitable MyPod vs. PostgrePod flamewars ...

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    81. Re: Son of iPod? by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      I know, as is kun. Its a bad joke based on the fact that i alwasy heard son for san when i was a kid.

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    82. Re:Son of iPod? by Mechcozmo · · Score: 1
      "i" stands for "internet", which the first iMac was touted to be able to connect to in just a few minutes. It became so well known that Apple used it on other products.

      "Power" stands for the higher-end market. PowerBook and PowerMac are the top end computers, whereas the iMac and iBook are the lower end computers.

      "e" stands for education. The eMac was an education-only design but the public demand was so great Apple introduced it as a consumer computer.

    83. Re:Son of iPod? by damsa · · Score: 1

      The e originally stood for email. Hence the eMate.

    84. Re:Son of iPod? by shmlco · · Score: 1
      No such equivalent exists in the movie world.

      Yeah, I haven't seen at least a dozen or so different portable DVD players over at Best Buy. People aren't building portable screens into the back of their SUV/minivan car seats. Practically every notebook produced today with an internal media drive doesn't have DVD capabilities. Every airport I wander through doesn't have a kiosk or three renting DVDs and portable players.

      I totally agree. No trend here. People don't want 'em at all.

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    85. Re:Son of iPod? by Popcorn+Dave · · Score: 1
      iVid.

      And unless Apple can show prior use, can I sue them if they use the name I just coined. :p

      But what they ought to call it is overpriced and out of stock at xmas time.

    86. Re:Son of iPod? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Yes, well, watching a movie requires more attention than listening to music (although that depends on the music and on the movie I guess).

      I agree that there's much less of a market for a portable "immersive" video player, but IMO it's the only way to really make it work (this doesn't mean the built in screen would have to go).

      OTOH, one could imagine display glasses with an alpha channel so that you could more or less do something else at the same time as long as it wasn't too demanding (like walk, or jog, or program in visual basic or whatever).

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    87. Re:Son of iPod? by Tom · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I haven't seen at least a dozen or so different portable DVD players over at Best Buy.

      So have I. What I have not seen, however, is anyone actually buying them. I'm sure they sell, but for all I know, they aren't selling in volume.

      For the notebooks - I do watch DVDs on mine, when I am somewhere where there is no other way. But it's a side-effect, not a purpose, and I would never buy anything with an even smaller screen.

      Sorry, it's not a trend, it's a fringe market. It exists and there'll be enough business for several companies to survive, but it will not ever even compare to the iPod market.

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    88. Re:Son of iPod? by shmlco · · Score: 1
      What I have not seen, however, is anyone actually buying them.

      Actually, I've thought about it, but always balked at adding yet another device and associated charger to my travel bag of tricks. Converge it with my iPod, however, so I have music, movies, and audiobooks all in the same device, and I'm in like Flint. Add an ebook reader and I'd be in seventh heaven.

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  2. Bill Gates on Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
  3. Laughable by sgant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft's efforts to preempt any single manufacturer from dominating the online video market.

    I think he means "any OTHER single manufacturer". I'm sure Microsoft will be just find and dandy if THEY were the single dominating online video provider.

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    1. Re:Laughable by MaestroSartori · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't think MS wan't to be in on the content-provision side, Apple seem to have proven that (for music at least) large profit isn't to be had.

      I think that MS just want to be the sole software technology provider to multiple hardware/content providers, that way they can leverage their desktop OS monopoly to the fullest extent when exacting license fees from several small companies, rather than having a larger corporate entity which could dictate terms to MS.

    2. Re:Laughable by P-Nuts · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I don't think MS wan't to be in on the content-provision side, Apple seem to have proven that (for music at least) large profit isn't to be had.

      Sure, but Apple aren't really in the content-provision business. The reason they have iTMS and iTunes is mainly to encourage people to buy iPods. Just the same as the reason they write MacOS is to sell computers.

    3. Re:Laughable by blowdart · · Score: 1
      Like they've done with MP3 players? Oh, darn no, they haven't.

      Mice, keyboards and joysticks aside MS aren't a hardware company. The Windows Media team produce APIs, DRM is delivered as an API. They've encouraged multiple music stores, even when they have one of their own.

      Like it or not "son of ipod" isn't really MS's fault, its their hardware parteners who don't provide players which compete.

    4. Re:Laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like they've done with WMA..?

      I wonder if this new scheme is patented (duh!), and who gets the royalties (double duh)?

    5. Re:Laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - But, the reason I Use ITUNES is because I can LEGALLY share my music with my: Mother, Wife and Daughter.
      Will I get this with a Microsoft Solution? No.

      Secondly, sharing content isn't a big problem because my Mother Wife and Daughter's music tastes are different then mine. So, attempts to squeese another Dollar out of the user experience only hurts Microsoft.

      - Plus, they were the first at 30 second preview
      - Downloads are high quality, if you've ever tried the P2P networks you'd know that download times are long and quality has a huge variance.

    6. Re:Laughable by koi88 · · Score: 1


      Mice, keyboards and joysticks aside MS aren't a hardware company.

      XBox? XBox 360?
      And my guess is they want more hardware, as there is not so much competition from open source on the hardware side...

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    7. Re:Laughable by blowdart · · Score: 1
      Patented? Like iTunes DRM?

      As for royalties, AFAIK there aren't any. Certainly when I was doing it the DRM SDK was free.

    8. Re:Laughable by MaestroSartori · · Score: 1

      Yeah, agreed. Profiting from the iPod with the marginal iTunes store was a smart move. I don't think it would be replicable by MS for movies - anyone out there think MS would be capable of an iPod equivalent for movies? :D

    9. Re:Laughable by kokoloko · · Score: 1

      Is there any manufacturer of anything that a) wants to see a competitor dominate the market, or b) doesn't want to dominate the market itself.

      Apparently someone has confused the words Insightful and Tautological

    10. Re:Laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > I don't think MS wan't to be in on the content-provision side

      Right. This, of course, is why NBC is now MSNBC.

    11. Re:Laughable by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 1

      [...]anyone out there think MS would be capable of an iPod equivalent for movies? :D

      Which is... sad, really. I mean, if not MS with all their money and resources, then who?

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    12. Re:Laughable by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1
      Just the same as the reason they write MacOS is to sell computers.


      Or just like they write QuickTime to sell compu....errr...no....

      Let's see...let's take a careful look at Apple's Web page, shall we?

      I see iTunes 4.9 supports Podcasting...
      An ad about Mac OS X 10.4.2...
      A link to download some dashboard widgets...
      Oh, yeah... a BIG ad about iTMS...
      And an ad for the iPod.

      What's Apple selling these days? Out of six things highlighted on their web page, only ONE is about hardware.

      You gotta click on 'Store' before you see one single piece of hardware (aside from that iPod).

      Apple's a software company in drag.

    13. Re:Laughable by p0ppe · · Score: 1

      Sure, but Apple aren't really in the content-provision business. The reason they have iTMS and iTunes is mainly to encourage people to buy iPods. Just the same as the reason they write MacOS is to sell computers.

      Q3 2005 earnings on OS X was 100 million USD, so they seem to make some money on software as well.

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    14. Re:Laughable by P-Nuts · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What's Apple selling these days? Out of six things highlighted on their web page, only ONE is about hardware.
      You gotta click on 'Store' before you see one single piece of hardware (aside from that iPod).
      Yeah, but when you do click "Store", as in where they sell you stuff, pretty much the entire screen has hardware on it.
    15. Re:Laughable by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Gotta buy their hardware to get some of their software, of course.

      But look at their annual report. Look at page 29, near the bottom.

      Mac sales are about US$4 billion. Now look at net sales of other products underneath that, totally $8 billion. Even if you took out iPods ($1.3 billion) and other equipment (951 million), that stills leaves you with $6 billion. That means that Apple makes about as much on software as it does on hardware -- hardly a company that's betting the farm on Macs.

    16. Re:Laughable by sootman · · Score: 1

      They just posted today that they sold their 500,000,000th song. They might not be 'creating' content like a division of Sony, but if selling a half-billion songs isn't 'content providing', I don't know what is. Just because they're providing content to help hardware sales doesn't mean they aren't providing content. I mean, why do you think Sony got into the game in the first place?

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    17. Re:Laughable by murr · · Score: 1

      But look at their annual report. Look at page 29, near the bottom.

      Mac sales are about US$4 billion. Now look at net sales of other products underneath that, totally $8 billion. Even if you took out iPods ($1.3 billion) and other equipment (951 million), that stills leaves you with $6 billion.


      I'm afraid you're grossly misreading that table (I assume you mean page 28, not 29, BTW).

      Net sales are $8.3B. Of that, $4.9B is Mac hardware, $1.3B is iPod hardware, and about $1B is other hardware.

      Software, services, and the iTunes music store add up to about $1.1B in sales.

      I think your mistake was in thinking that the $8.3B was the total for the non-Mac segment, while in fact it is the overall total.

    18. Re:Laughable by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      I don't think MS wan't to be in on the content-provision side

      Microsoft wants to tax the content providers.

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    19. Re:Laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wan't?" What two words is that a contraction of?

    20. Re:Laughable by mblase · · Score: 1

      Sure, but Apple aren't really in the content-provision business. The reason they have iTMS and iTunes is mainly to encourage people to buy iPods. Just the same as the reason they write MacOS is to sell computers.

      Partially. The other part of the reason is that Apple does a better job of providing those services (iTMS and MacOS X) than most others would be, and certainly does a better job integrating them with their own hardware.

      Microsoft, however, would be perfectly willing to let anyone else do the low-profit content-provision side of things, as long as they control the higher-profit software that makes it all go.

    21. Re:Laughable by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Can't be had now but in 20 years when all the servers Apple and Microsoft have fit inside a single closet in a datacenter than anyone with industry dominance will be raking money like leaves I tell ya!

    22. Re:Laughable by EvlG · · Score: 1

      It's a smart short-term move.

      How long until the market is saturated?

      Can Apple really sell iPods forever? I suspect not. What then? Raise the prices of songs I guess.

  4. Who are Microsoft making their products for ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful


    because everyday it seems the "customer" isnt the person who buys the product

    1. Re:Who are Microsoft making their products for ? by amliebsch · · Score: 4, Funny
      Who are Microsoft making their products for ?

      Developers!

      Developers!

      Developers!

      Developers!

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    2. Re:Who are Microsoft making their products for ? by michaeldot · · Score: 1

      Cool, so will all The Planet of the Apes movies be available, or just the ones with a big sweaty gorilla bossing people around?

  5. ... done our mea culpa? by dscho · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not parse this sentence does.

    1. Re:... done our mea culpa? by mickkelly2000 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think I know what you means. Anyways, this part of it was not really meant to convey real information, M$ is not really trying to "fix it" or "get it right" (from a users perspective). The real motive is, they want the public at large to think they are going to be big in this business, nothing in it for anybody else, better do not compete ...

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  6. Customers by under_score · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I expect that ultimately customers will decide that DRM and related tech will fail. There will always be new companies and new products that can break into a market that is underperforming for people's needs and wants. Particularly in the age of blogging, this type of breakthrough is getting easier: access to publicity is much much lower. The big companies like MSFT etc. all are probably quite afraid of this... and therefore trying to come up with anti-competitive schemes. Some of these schemes are technology based, some feature based, and some legislative. Only the legislative schemes should be feared. All the others can be fairly easily defeated by consumers. As for the legislated schemes of protection, even those can be circumvented by sufficiently interesting innovation. The problem there is keeping ahead of the legislative encroachment. In the software world, open source is a great way to do this. Hardware-wise it's a bit more difficult.

    1. Re:Customers by radarsat1 · · Score: 1

      I expect that ultimately customers will decide that DRM and related tech will fail. There will always be new companies and new products that can break into a market that is underperforming for people's needs and wants.

      I expect, however, that the major content providers will be signing exclusive deals with DRM-enabled solutions, as they always tend to be easily convinced that DRM is the only way to go.

      So the only way for a new company to come in and undercut them with a better, less annoying, non-DRM solution, will likely be to actually come up with new content. Will this mean that if we want to avoid DRM we'll be stuck watching low-budget, home-grown films??

      Unless a major content provider suddenly grows a conscience and shows some interest in preventing the headaches that will come with hardware-enabled DRM, you can bet that it won't be a simple thing for a new company to come up with a more popular solution.

    2. Re:Customers by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The content providers have got it backward. They're not going to find their panacea with a completely-secure, uncrackable DRM scheme. They're going to start making lots more money when they work out two things:

      1. A pricing plan that can compete.
        This is not trivial. Remember that they're competing with P2P networks and BitTorrent at this point, since they didn't do anything when the technology was younger.
      2. DRM that doesn't fly in the face of consumers' fair use rights.
        If the consumer feels like they're really losing something by buying a paid-for product as opposed to downloading, they will always go for the lower-priced product with greater actual value.

      At this point, it looks like Apple did a good job of balancing all the pro's and con's. It still bothers some consumers who don't have an iPod, or want to use Linux, but they can always buy CD's. Or download MP3's. Whatever DRM model comes up, people will crack it. Some people will circumvent it. Some people will ignore it. The trick is the business model and pricing that convince the consumer to invest.

      Of course, you'll never hear that from Microsoft. If the RIAA and MPAA wisened up to what's really going on, Microsoft wouldn't get a penny from them.

      Jasin Natael
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    3. Re:Customers by Shag · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think the fate of DRM is as black-and-white as you seem to think it is. That's more likely to be true for the really draconian DRM systems, but "gentler" ones are, in my opinion, a lot more like a simple curb.

      Yes, you can drive your car off, or over, a curb. But if there's a nice ramp cut in the curb where people intend for your car to go, it's easier to go that way, and most people will.

      If someone is determined to defeat DRM - or any other technological solution to any perceived problem - they probably will. But people who have that mindset going in are a pretty small percentage of the population. Even on Slashdot, I don't think they're the overwhelming majority. And other people will acquire digital content by means other than grabbing DRMed versions and defeating the DRM, I think.

      (Honestly, I can't imagine why someone would break DRM, since so many things are probably available in non-DRMed formats on P2P networks anyway.)

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    4. Re:Customers by gobbo · · Score: 1
      ultimately customers will decide that DRM and related tech will fail

      Great, just like we got rid of that hated Macrovision. Almost all I talk to about it say "what?" Then they just stay resigned that they can't copy VHS's or DVD's, despite having two decks, and there being obscure but easily obtained circumvention devices.

      The vast majority don't know the modern definition of the word "rip." So how are they/we going to make DRM fail through consumer choice, when it's in EVERYthing they buy?

      Hardware-wise it's a bit more difficult.

      Yes, that's the crux of it. It will be pervasive, like Macrovision and regions. [/cynic]

    5. Re:Customers by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I agree. Everybody knows that Prodigy died because the insulted their users with advertising pop-ups. All the marketers realized that intrusive ads were just not what the consumer wanted, and they;ve responded accordingly.

      I know that the content providers have learned their lessons from Divx and DAT. DRM just in paletable to the modern consumer, and the first time you try, you will fail.

      Unfortunatly, as we have seen, if the packaging is slicker, and you try it eoungh times, the public will cave. If not, a new Macrovision provision can always be added to the next omnibus bill and your DRM will be legal and necessary. Case closed.

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    6. Re:Customers by OMEGA+Power · · Score: 1
      I don't think the fate of DRM is as black-and-white as you seem to think it is. That's more likely to be true for the really draconian DRM systems, but "gentler" ones are, in my opinion, a lot more like a simple curb. Yes, you can drive your car off, or over, a curb. But if there's a nice ramp cut in the curb where people intend for your car to go, it's easier to go that way, and most people will.

      Despite my hatred of DRM I have to say a "curb"-type system is what we should be moving towards. Obviously, copyright holders have the right to defend their ip and many won't release their products online in a completly unprotected form (due to a combination of their paranoia and the fact that copyright infringment does exist and does cost them some money [albeit only a tiny fraction of what the riaa/mpaa/bsa/world douchebags guild/etc claim].) As a result of this fact we, as consumers, should encourage them to use a drm system that protects their rights (prevents wholesale copying and/or posting on p2p, etc) without infringing on ours (allows fair use, creation of backup copies, copying to portable devices, etc.)

      The problem so far has been that copyright holders have been trying to use drm as a way to grant themselves additional rights my preventing consumers from engaging in perfectly legal activities such as skipping the ads at the begining of dvds and schemes such as these are what need to be rejected in order to prevent the content providers from taking away our fair use rights and/or set the precidents that movies, music, software, etc can only be used in ways the ip companies approve of. On the other hand, systems which protect the legitimate rights of the copyright holders without unduely burdaning or restricting the rights of the consumer should be encouraged as there acceptence will result in more content being avalible online legally and without dracionian drm restrctions.

    7. Re:Customers by __aatgod8309 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately there is no profit (or at least no quick-rich scheme) in possessing a conscience, so i can't see that happening anytime soon.

    8. Re:Customers by jonwil · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In order for downloads of video (movies & TV) to be a hit like the iTunes Music Store was, they will need to have the following attributes:
      1.They must either be DVD quality (including all the extras) or they must be cheaper than the equivilant DVD (to make up for the loss of quality)
      2.They must be available at the same time as the DVD release (if not earlier)
      3.They must be in a format (or convertable to a format) that you can record onto something (be it a recordable DVD or a recordable HD-DVD/BluRay disk) and play on your TV setup (be it a home theater system with a big TV or a smaller TV and a simple cheap DVD player)
      I for one dont want to watch movies or TV on my computer, I want to watch on my TV sitting in my comfortable chair.

      Bit Torrent and other P2P services are popular with people because of:
      A.Availability. For those in america, its a great way to get TV shows not playing where you live (including e.g. foriegn TV shows american networks arent playing or shows only on pay TV services you cant get or cant afford)
      And for those abroad, its a great way to get TV shows that just havent reached your country yet (anyone who lives in australia knows how great BitTorrent etc is for downloading all those Yank shows that we just wont see because no local network is prepared to show them or whatever)

      B.Cost. Its very hard to beat free. Even though it is illegal, a lot of people dont care and download anyway (especially since a lot of people believe that just downloading without actually "sharing" anything means they cant get caught and that only the big fish with a large number of shared files are going to be targeted)

      and C.Range. You can get stuff on BitTorrent that just isnt available on DVD (and isnt going to be), things like reality TV and stuff.

      For a download service to work, it would have to come as close as possible to the availability of shows as BitTorrent and other P2P services do (if you cant download it from the download service until 12-18 months after it has aired, people will continue to download from BitTorrent which may well have it 12-18 hours after it first airs). It would also have to have better quality files than what you find on BitTorrent (the files available on the download site for current shows/movies could probobly be produced directly from the same digital master files that are used to produce the over-the-air copies and the DVD masters which means they are as close to perfect as the codec and bitrate used on the files will allow). Also, a download service could offer things DVD cant, including series where the cost to release DVDs is considered too much given likely sales (the cost to make files available on the download service would be cheaper than the cost to make DVDs) and also things like reality TV or sports games which just dont make sense to put on DVD.

      The iTunes Music Store works because:
      1.You are gauranteed to be able to get the song you want (and not a "fake" garbage song file or a song thats not what you want or getting no search results because no-one has the song you want shared)

      2.In a lot of cases, you can preview the song to make sure its what you are looking for before you commit to purchasing it)

      3.Once you have the song, you can put it onto an iPod, an iTunes phone (the new one with ITMS supoprt) or a completly normal no copy protection anywhere audio CD (which can be played on pretty much anything that can read audio CDs)

      And the songs are cheap enough too.

      In short, it has none of the disadvantages of P2P (risk of being caught by the RIAA, lack of sources for the song you want, poor quality rips, fake or garbage song files, songs that arent what the filename claims they are) whilst coming as close to the advantages of P2P (low cost and unrestricted files) as its possible for a legal download service to get.

    9. Re:Customers by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      This only matters for the current generation of consumers. The companies (being essentially immortal now that copyright is being extended infinately) can take the long view- get the restrictions in place and then raise a new group of consumers that have never known content that didn't have to be rented.

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    10. Re:Customers by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1

      iTunes isn't quite as close to low cost and unrestricted files as a legal service can get. Specifically, a legal service could offer files that are restricted only by the long-standing tradition of copyright, but not by the technical quagmire of DRM. Think about it, if iTunes dropped the DRM, what would happen? NOTHING! Perhaps a slight increase in their sales. They could still make iTunes (the application) incompatible with other players, and the iPod would continue to dominate. (Heck, if they added Ogg support I might buy it, and with no DRM there's no advantage to owning a format, so there'd be nothing stopping them). Net effect on piracy? Zero. Net effect on fair use? Zero, iTunes was successful because its DRM didn't get in the way of that. Long-term effect on fair use? Positive, because the industry can't slowly add restrictions. I think that's why it doesn't happen.

    11. Re:Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >whilst coming as close to the advantages of P2P (low cost and unrestricted files)

      I don't know about low cost, iTunes is still $0.99 a song or $9.99 an album, right?

      In Canada we pay about $16 CDN for a new release album, which is $13 US.

      Considering you need to spend about $1 on a Case/CD-R/printing to make your iTunes download just as good as the store bought item, that's only a savings of $2. If you're paying per gig, you may find that it works out more expensive.

      Worse than that, at least in Canada, your download isn't protected under copyright law the same way. A purchased Audio CD can be lent to a friend, who may make his own 100% legal copy. I do not believe a purchased iTunes song protects the purchaser under the same law.

    12. Re:Customers by LatePaul · · Score: 1
      Yes, you can drive your car off, or over, a curb. But if there's a nice ramp cut in the curb where people intend for your car to go, it's easier to go that way, and most people will.

      The trouble is that the first car to bump the curb creates a ramp for everyone else. So that tends to cause you to make the curb higher. Hence things like forced updates.

      In the internet age once the file is unencrypted once it's potentially available everywhere. So DRM has to be equally ubiquitous and very hard to crack - aka 'draconian'.

    13. Re:Customers by Shag · · Score: 1
      In the internet age once the file is unencrypted once it's potentially available everywhere. So DRM has to be equally ubiquitous and very hard to crack - aka 'draconian'.
      I don't see how this follows. If it only takes one cracked copy for something to spread worldwide in short order (which might be a slight exaggeration, but not much of one, given the existence of P2P and BT and whatnot), and if the cat can't very well be put back into the bag (which is probably a valid assumption), you get into a very black-and-white world again, where DRM is either entirely unbreakable, or entirely worthless.

      Basically, if you can't eliminate the small sliver of the population devoted to cracking DRM, or the small sliver devoted to piracy, or whatever, stuff is going to get cracked and distributed, and there's really nothing to be gained by making use difficult for the overwhelming majority who are largely law-abiding. And for that overwhelming majority, a little DRM is enough encouragement to behave.

      I think Apple has pretty much found the happy medium here; I think the other players aren't too far off, but they tend to unnecessarily overcomplicate things by having things like songs you can only listen to streaming, songs you can download but not transfer to portable devices, etc. This falls into "making use difficult" IMHO.

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    14. Re:Customers by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      nitpicking :)

      risk of being caught by the RIAA: depends on country and on network...
      lack of sources for the song you want poor quality rips, fake or garbage song files, songs that arent what the filename claims they are: not a problem since i started to use bittorent... not as fast, though, on actual good music.

    15. Re:Customers by LatePaul · · Score: 1

      Broadly I agree with you. I think the only difference is in the reaction of content owners. I think that there's a kind of 'arms escalation' of DRM vs hackers. It's that thinking that produces ever more draconian DRM. To push the analogy to the limit - we're still in the 'cold war' mindset.

  7. mea culpa by myukew · · Score: 4, Funny

    obviously bill gates doesn't know that "mea culpa" translates to "my fault" and thus the sentence "we did our mea culpa" is wrong. tztztz

    1. Re:mea culpa by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 0

      mea culpa is what you are supposed to say when you were in the wrong. So that could also read "That's where we've admitted our mistake. We are fixing that."

      What's wrong about it?

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    2. Re:mea culpa by Lussarn · · Score: 1

      Or like the rest of us he could have used a language which isn't dead and burried.

    3. Re:mea culpa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not a 'Grammar Fiend' but...

      It seems like, to me, the OTHER definition at your link makes sense. It means, more or less, "Admission of guilt/Admission of Flaw". So, "We did our 'Admission(s) of guilt/flaw(s)'." seems fine to me. It would help if you are going to argue about something that your supporting documentation is read in it's entirety. Don't assume that 'definition one' is the way someone's using that word or phrase.

    4. Re:mea culpa by realkiwi · · Score: 1

      This person does not know how to express himself correctly in English - American or vanilla English. Listening to him speak or reading quotes from his speeches is enough to make any high school language teacher choke.

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    5. Re:mea culpa by Achromus · · Score: 1

      Or he could not say "our mea" culpa, which is saying it was "our my" mistake and just sounds aweful. No wonder people think they are seing something wrong with Gates' wording.

    6. Re:mea culpa by NumbThumb · · Score: 1

      but "meak culpa" is not something you make. "Faux pas" would have worked, if he wanted to sound educated...

      Sure, it's just nitpicking, but it triggered a syntax error for me, too.

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    7. Re:mea culpa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was your use of "aweful" deliberately ironic, or did you actually mean "awful"?

      English lessons from those who have a grasp of the language, please...

    8. Re:mea culpa by LexNaturalis · · Score: 1

      Obviously you don't know how to read your own source. The wikipedia article clearly says: In the popular vernacular, the expression "mea culpa" has acquired a more direct meaning, in which, by doing or performing a "mea culpa", someone admits to have made a mistake by one's own fault (meaning that it could have been avoided if that person had been more diligent).

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    9. Re:mea culpa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you are wrong. "Mea culpa" is also used as a noun, meaning an act of apology. "We did our mea culpa" means the same thing as "We have made our apology."

    10. Re:mea culpa by NineNine · · Score: 1

      Obviously, you've never spoken to a single businessperson. This is common businessman lingo, just like Slashdotters use the word "cracker" incorrectly.

    11. Re:mea culpa by Kalgash · · Score: 1

      So he 'verbed' his 'noun'. Deal. See the collected works of Wheadon, Joss for more examples.

    12. Re:mea culpa by antic · · Score: 1


      Firsly, it appears that he was quoted, so grammar is unlikely to be perfectly replicated as intended. Secondly, it could be read as:

      "That's where we've done our 'mea culpa'. We are fixing that."

      As though the action done was saying "mea culpa". He's done his "my fault". Makes sense to me.

      Still, I guess you got your +5 Funny, so why would you care now?

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    13. Re:mea culpa by hoggoth · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bill: "I was wro..."
      Bill: "I admit I was wro..."
      Bill: "WROOOO..."
      Bill: "Yes, I was wroooo..."
      Bill: "umm... mea culpa."

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    14. Re:mea culpa by moonty · · Score: 1

      Centurion: What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house? Brian: It says, "Romans go home. " Centurion: No it doesn't ! What's the latin for "Roman"? Come on, come on ! Brian: Er, "Romanus" ! Centurion: Vocative plural of "Romanus" is? Brian: Er, er, "Romani" ! Centurion: [Writes "Romani" over Brian's graffiti] "Eunt"? What is "eunt"? Conjugate the verb, "to go" ! Brian: Er, "Ire". Er, "eo", "is", "it", "imus", "itis", "eunt". Centurion: So, "eunt" is...? Brian: Third person plural present indicative, "they go". Centurion: But, "Romans, go home" is an order. So you must use...? [He twists Brian's ear] Brian: Aaagh ! The imperative ! Centurion: Which is...? Brian: Aaaagh ! Er, er, "i" ! Centurion: How many Romans? Brian: Aaaaagh ! Plural, plural, er, "ite" ! Centurion: [Writes "ite"] "Domus"? Nominative? "Go home" is motion towards, isn't it? Brian: Dative ! [the Centurion holds a sword to his throat] Brian: Aaagh ! Not the dative, not the dative ! Er, er, accusative, "Domum" ! Centurion: But "Domus" takes the locative, which is...? Brian: Er, "Domum" ! Centurion: [Writes "Domum"] Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times. Brian: Yes sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir. Centurion: Hail Caesar ! And if it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.

    15. Re:mea culpa by learn+fast · · Score: 1

      he should have said "Wea culpa"

    16. Re:mea culpa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i know it bothers me too. everyone around my parts understands, correctly, that "cracker" means a white-bread piece of shit.

  8. As always... Piracy will save the day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    AACS - R.I.P.

    *2005
    +2005

  9. I am your Father by urbanshepherd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is the son of an iPod an iPea?

    1. Re:I am your Father by Coelacanth · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, it's an iFlea. Wait thru the ad, it's worth it...

    2. Re:I am your Father by I+don't+want+to+spen · · Score: 1

      So instead of free iPods, you get iPea freely?

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    3. Re:I am your Father by Cynikal · · Score: 1

      Is the son of an iPod an iPea?

      oh god if that happened im so glad i dont work in tech suport anymore... a whole new slew of stupid answers...

      tech> ok sir i need to know your ip address, we're going...

      guy> huh? my iPea lives here with me. what kind of idiot are you???

    4. Re:I am your Father by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude- I barfed soda all over my keyboard reading your comment. Best post ever.

  10. Define irony by FidelCatsro · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft Taking a stand against monopolys

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    1. Re:Define irony by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      I think the AOL blackhole just formed root@universe.all >$ set MicroSoftMonoplystate =hostile DIVIDE BY ZERO ERROR CORE DUMPED

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    2. Re:Define irony by Silkejr · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's one of the few times I've ever laughed while reading Slashdot. Kudos to you.

    3. Re:Define irony by symbolic · · Score: 1


      Amazon taking a stand against Patent abuse.

  11. Tasty lawsuit by al_fruitbat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Parsons later directed Time Warner to join with Microsoft in buying a combined majority stake in ContentGuard, which holds patents on anti-copying techniques

    I'd love to see 'em take someone to court for copying their anti-copying techniques ;-)

    1. Re:Tasty lawsuit by Alsee · · Score: 1

      How about taking someone to anti-trust court for copying their Trusted computing anti-copying techniques?

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  12. Bill gates means by Arthur+B. · · Score: 5, Funny

    "we're really having to work more closely with partners in the hardware industry and content industry, to really think through the whole end-to-end experience and make it better"

    work more closely -> control
    think thorugh the whole experience -> control
    make it better -> abuse our vertical dominant position

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    1. Re:Bill gates means by uradu · · Score: 1

      > and make it better

      Make it better for whom? Because reading any of their schemes and goals, it can't be us, the customers, for we are mere shaftees. Perhaps by "customers" they mean those who buy their DRM crapola technology and incorporate it into hardware.

  13. why be concerned? by maxpublic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Essentially what you have is a collection of the biggest egos in the world trying to collaborate on a single project which will affect the entire movie industry as well as the customers who buy those movies. And the studios in question not only have a history of fighting each other tooth and nail, but of going head-to-head with Microsoft whenever they get the chance.

    Conspiracies between megalomaniacs rarely end well.

    Max

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    1. Re:why be concerned? by DrJimbo · · Score: 2, Funny
      maxpublic said:
      Conspiracies between megalomaniacs rarely end well.


      J.R.R. Tolkien said:
      There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power.

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    2. Re:why be concerned? by eclectro · · Score: 1

      It should be interesting to see what they come up with. Being designed by a committee led by a company that really doesn't innovate, whatever it is will be mediocre at best.

      Also, they forget one thing. Listening to music is an entirely different experience than watching a movie. Then consider the fact that cable boxes already deliver movies "on demand", and there are DVD players that can fit in your pocket.

      So that leaves the question of what product they can deliver that consumers would want to own (or probably rent)?

      With multiple layers of clunky DRM and what is sure to be expensive pricing for content (having to pay royalties to all the backers is not going to be cheap) I have a hard time seeing what kind of video ipod/set top box they can think up.

      I hope they drop a huge chunk of change on it. It will then either be mind blowing wonderful or a piece of crap that nobody wants to buy. If its the latter, maybe it could serve as a lesson, but then you would think that they would learned from divx.

      Also, hi-def by itself won't be enough to make it successful.

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  14. DRM by dnoyeb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well all the current state of DRM on DVD did for the movie industry is allow them to force you to watch a bunch of bullshit trailers for other movies before you can watch the one you purchased. Every time.

    1. Re:DRM by CdBee · · Score: 1

      yeah, we need a sort of AdBlock for DVDs...

      Or the right to control how we consume the media we purchase, but it seems I'm really kidding myself there.....

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    2. Re:DRM by bubkus_jones · · Score: 1

      My player allows me to skip them on most DVD's, and fast forward through the ones I can't skip.

    3. Re:DRM by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Most DVDs allow you to skip them anyway.

    4. Re:DRM by isorox · · Score: 1

      Until you press * 4 7 UP on your hardware player (or use xine)

    5. Re:DRM by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 1

      That list is getting shorter... and with MS "inside" the new players, even more rare, I'll bet.

      That's why I spend my $20 and buy a Cyberhome DVD player. Remove region-coding, macrovision, and whatnot. Then, if they insist on making me watch ads, rip the DVD and watch the movie only.

      Fair use is fair use. No matter how much they want to kill it.

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  15. The theme of the article... by gunpowda · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Microtunes store: 30 pieces of silver per track.

  16. Bill answer this by appavi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about single company dominating OS market ?

    1. Re:Bill answer this by jcr · · Score: 1

      Well, he's doing his best to drive his customers away, isn't he? I mean, come on! How many malwarez does it take for the proles to get fed up?

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Bill answer this by appavi · · Score: 1

      >>How many malwarez does it take for the proles to get fed up?
      joe user will live with it by buying anti spyware from M$. firefox only has 10% in browser market share in spite of IE being hounded by loads of spywares. finally some education is needed for joe user to understand the problems of insecure software developed by world's largest software company and move to a better one.

  17. Why Apple's portable video will win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As much as the entertainment industry loves DRM, there is one thing they love a lot more: Name recognition.

    Apple's portable music player is tried and true, loved by everyone who can afford it. It's so popular that you need to buy replacement earplugs just so you don't get robbed because of the demand.

    Is the industry really willing to risk their future in portable media for DRM when they can have guaranteed success through iPod Movie? I doubt it.

  18. Re:Define Paradoxical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    It's paradoxical, actually -- not ironic.

  19. Here we go, aiming at our foot again by Nice2Cats · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Among the scarier revelations is the development of AACS, a new already approved security system designed to prevent piracy on HD DVDs, which subjects users to forced upgrades.

    Cute. Hope that works out for you. Guess what system I won't be buying.

    What exactly is the problem with all of these supposedly highly-intelligent but obviously completely brain-dead (not to say stupid) CEOs? If you put annoying copy protection stuff on your media or try to force people to do any other sort of crap like that, they will simply take their money to the black market. This is the lesson of online music. You will not have total control over the media, because the people with the money will not accept that. End of story.

    The only CEO on the planet who seems to understand this is Steve Jobs. Yes, iTunes has various limits, but they are so wide that 95 per cent of the people don't give a damn because they never encounter them: If I want to share music with my kid sister, I can. So what if I can't share it with 200,000 other people on the Internet? This, not any clever usability stuff, is why iTunes has 80 per cent of the market. Just why is this so hard to understand? Is it something that happens to your perception of reality once you earn more than a million dollars a year?

    Oh sorry, I meant a million dollars a month, of course. Though Gates at least gives billions to charity.

    Anyway, this looks like another great idea from the people who brought you the talking paperclip and tried to force-feed us push technology. No wonder Apple is selling computers as fast as they can build them.

    1. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by Ann+Elk · · Score: 1
      What exactly is the problem with all of these supposedly highly-intelligent but obviously completely brain-dead (not to say stupid) CEOs?

      Greed. "Too much" is never enough.

    2. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by DeanFox · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Oh sorry, I meant a million dollars a month, of course. Though Gates at least gives billions to charity.

      In a month? From all his investments, interest, dividends, etc. I heard a number once that Bill Gates wakes up 12 million dollars richer then when he went to bed.

      Asked about his wealth he said once you reach a certin level, more money doesn't matter. Things only get so good and once you can afford the best that's it. In other words food only gets so good, cars only get so good, clothes can only be made so good and once you afford the best more money after that doesn't buy you anything better then what you can already afford.

      There are days I've pondered what that would be like.

    3. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by sydb · · Score: 1

      Here, you need one of these:

      'A'

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    4. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you put annoying copy protection stuff on your media or try to force people to do any other sort of crap like that, they will simply take their money to the black market. This is the lesson of online music.

      Are you sure that's the lesson?

      I thought the lesson was "Give people unprotected digital data (CDs) that can easily be transferred to computers and they will pirate it (Napster)".

      And I thought the second lesson was "Give people a DRMed system that is fashionable, easy to use, and reasonably priced (iTunes), and people will use it".

      In other words, the opposite of what you say (IMHO).

    5. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...There are days I've pondered what it'd be like just to have enough money to cover the bills

    6. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      There are days I've pondered what that would be like.

      Gates should outsource his pondering. Or he might start trying to factor prime numbers again.

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    7. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There are days I've pondered what that would be like.


      It's not that different, really. I still end up wasting half my morning lounging around in my bathrobe reading Slashdot.

      Cheers,
      B.
    8. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by Tom · · Score: 1

      Asked about his wealth he said once you reach a certin level, more money doesn't matter. Things only get so good and once you can afford the best that's it. In other words food only gets so good, cars only get so good, clothes can only be made so good and once you afford the best more money after that doesn't buy you anything better then what you can already afford.

      There are days I've pondered what that would be like.


      And how much money that is. Specifically: How many people could live on Gates' comfort level if it were split up between them? And how far are we away from giving everyone that standard of living?

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    9. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cute. Hope that works out for you. Guess what system I won't be buying.

      The article isn't clear, but AACS is to be used on both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. So you won't be buying either.

    10. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by BDZ · · Score: 1

      More money can always buy you more and even more power.

    11. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      In other words food only gets so good, cars only get so good, clothes can only be made so good and once you afford the best more money after that doesn't buy you anything better then what you can already afford.

      He hasn't bought Cuba yet.

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    12. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by Macdude · · Score: 1

      Asked about his wealth he said once you reach a certin level, more money doesn't matter. Things only get so good and once you can afford the best that's it. In other words food only gets so good, cars only get so good, clothes can only be made so good and once you afford the best more money after that doesn't buy you anything better then what you can already afford.
      I've known for decades that Gates doesn't "get it". But I've never understood why until I read this -- Bill has no imagination. A while back I was thinking about what I'd do with a billion dollars and came up with a nice list, but there were a number of things that didn't make the list because I wouldn't be able to afford them, so I had to increase the number to ten billion, that opened other possibilities some of which were too expensive, etc. That in a period of say 45 minutes sitting in traffic. Gates has had Billions of dollars for years and it took getting married to come up with the idea to build a house...

      And for those wanting an example; buying a Caribbean (or similar) island outright including national rights and forming my own country. That would cost a few billion dollars (for a decent sized island) right there.

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    13. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article isn't clear, but AACS is to be used on both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. So you won't be buying either.

      Indeed, that is likely to be a barrier to Blu-Ray and HD-DVD adoption. I doubt too many people are eager to go out and buy a new TV set and new DVD player. The only way to get people to buy the new discs is to make them compatible with existing DVD players. Which means that people can still use existing DVD rippers and spread torrents. It's going to be a long time before you see significant amounts of AACS-only content, and by the time that happens the DRM will have been cracked already.

    14. Re:Here we go, aiming at our foot again by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Informative
      Asked about his wealth he said once you reach a certin level, more money doesn't matter. Things only get so good and once you can afford the best that's it. In other words food only gets so good, cars only get so good, clothes can only be made so good and once you afford the best more money after that doesn't buy you anything better then what you can already afford.

      100 Million dollars.

      That is the limit of physical wealth. Beyond that, you don't buy things, you make big events and buildings 'happen'. But for the actual cushy lifestyle there is no difference between a person with 100 Million and 1+ Billion.

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  20. it will get cracked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will get cracked in the end and the only people left holding the bag will be Microsoft. They don't seem to understand that these challenges are the ones hardware hackers like most--to do what is said to be impossible. Lastly, I agree, market forces put the original DIVX disks at circuit city out of business and these will go the same way.

  21. Apple's success is Gates' failure? by lheal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not just come out and say it, Bill?

    "No one should make money but me!"

    Gates' problem is that he measures success by the stock value of MSFT. I guess that's all he could do, and I don't know him so I don't mean to judge him, but that's where his problem is.

    Ask if your customers are happy, not if your shareholders are.

    Ask how people want their online media, and see if you can make a dime or two selling them software to help. Don't ask how you can keep someone else from getting people their media.

    He seems to get it backwards, every time.

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    1. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by sydb · · Score: 1

      No, he's right on the dollar, and he plays according to the system.

      It's the system that's fscked up beyond all reason.

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    2. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 2, Funny

      "He seems to get it backwards, every time." And it has made him the richest man in the world. Sucks, doesn't it?

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    3. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should he care if his customers are happy? If we keep stumping up the cash, that's good enough.

    4. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Ask if your customers are happy, not if your shareholders are.

      MS is a public company, its purpose is to make the shareholders happy. Making their customers happy is just a way to make that happen.

    5. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 1

      "It" didn't. WE did. THAT is what sucks.

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    6. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      microsoft's board is *obliged* to make the shareholders happy. That's how it works, welcome to capitalsm.

    7. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sucks, doesn't it?

      For the rest of us, yes.

    8. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by lheal · · Score: 1
      MS is a public company, its purpose is to make the shareholders happy.

      Shareholders fall into two broad categories: those who like the company and those who like the stock. If you run your company for the former, rather than the latter, you'll do fine both ethically (by almost any ethical definition of "fine"). If you run your company for the stock price, you're doomed to fail.

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    9. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by lheal · · Score: 1

      >you'll do fine both ethically
      >(by almost any ethical definition of "fine").

      Sorry. Meant to say 'both ethically and financially (by almost any ethical definition of "fine"). (new paragraph) If...'.

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    10. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by Pecisk · · Score: 1

      I second that. Of course, CEO have to do almost everything to appeal shareholders. And messing with loyal user base won't appeal shareholders when income will start to drop instantly. It is some logic - and some people miss this, thinking companies are some kind of God creatures. They are mortal as everyone else, if they don't stick with the rules.

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    11. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by RLiegh · · Score: 1

      No. What truly sucks is that we do not have the means to fix it; and even if fixing it were possible, the public doesn't have the will to make it happen.

      THAT is what sucks.

    12. Re:Apple's success is Gates' failure? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      It's possible to make the shareholders happy by getting a reputation for making the customers happy. That's the Nordstrom, Apple, Mercedes Benz (RIP), Google model.

      Microsoft makes its shareholders happy by cutting as much cost out of their processes as possible while providing just enough value to the customer and leveraging lock-in to keep them from going elsewhere. That's the WalMart model.

      If you don't give two flying foxes about social responsibility it's clearly the more profitable business model.

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  22. Speaking of 'culpa' by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Insightful


    How's that effort to keep the citizens of China from reading about "freedom", "democracy", and "human rights" going, Bill?

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    1. Re:Speaking of 'culpa' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunno - ask Google.

    2. Re:Speaking of 'culpa' by the_unknown_soldier · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why aren't you asking the Virgin Mary Google?

    3. Re:Speaking of 'culpa' by mlk · · Score: 1

      Shh!
      Only Microsoft, SCO and ??AA are evil.

      Google is Good!
      Google is Great!

      Google has a plan that will free the repressed civs of China, and lead them to the land of Hope And Glory! Google will NOT fail us!

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    4. Re:Speaking of 'culpa' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  23. An approach that's doomed to failure by @madeus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I fully expect Microsoft will take the same sort of route they have always taken, by focusing almost exclusively on selling their vision to content producers, rather than focusing on making a product that appeals to the market (and watching as the content producers hop on board).

    Apple have been successful with their music store because of course they have made it easy for novice users to access, purchase and manage content. The Microsoft media player is in stark contrast a hideously confusing application as far as most people are concerned, and is an excellent example of why Microsoft will not succeed unless they radically change their approach (which on past form, I do not expect they will).

    Getting buy-in from publishers is essential in the long run, but by pandering to them to the extent Microsoft have done (in an attempt to get them on-board), all semblance of a marketable product has been lost, because the focus has been on building a product they want to produce, rather than on one people actually want to buy.

    Even if all the major content production companies vow to get behind a Microsoft devised solution, consumers will just largely ignore it and continue to rely on established ways of getting content (either legal DVD's or illegal P2P downloads) until they are offered something they are actually comfortable using.

    You have to wonder what's wrong with Microsoft's corporate structure when, with their vast resources and many talented people, they can't even build a useable media player (let alone content delivery and management system). It's so tragic, it's funny.

    1. Re:An approach that's doomed to failure by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 1

      ... rather than focusing on making a product that appeals to the market (and watching as the content producers hop on board).

      The trouble is that any solution not vetoed by the content producers will be structured in a way that favours them over consumers. I doubt they're that worried about consumer support; they take it for granted.

      Content producers have a justifiable belief that any new services they allow will be lapped up straight away. Whatever they put out there, people will buy it because they don't know any better, 'legal', alternative (there wont be one).

    2. Re:An approach that's doomed to failure by cyclomedia · · Score: 0

      media player 6.4 works fine for me, and so far i have managed to not let windows update force me to upgrade, i'm a quantumn physisist and any newer version just plain scares me!

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      If you don't risk failure you don't risk success.
  24. Re:Define Paradoxical by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

    actually it is irony ,Socratic irony i would imagine as I'm fairly sure Microsoft has no belief that it is in fact a Microsoft(I wrote Microsoft there whilst meaning monopoly , Freudian slip). It is also a standard comedic irony wherein the event is contrary to what one might expect.
    It is also hypocrisy , though i don't believe its a logical paradox .

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  25. Son of iPod... by earthbound+kid · · Score: 1

    ...kneel before Zod! Er... Bill!!

  26. Re:Define Paradoxical by Tx · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually it is ironic. If you're going to try to be a language nazi, at least get your shit correct. Note definition 2a below.

    irony ('r-n, 'r-) pronunciation
    n., pl. -nies.

    1.
    a. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
    b. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
    c. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. See synonyms at wit1.

    2.
    a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: "Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated" (Richard Kain).

    b. An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity. See Usage Note at ironic.

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  27. in the bedroom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is where it will fail. Right now i can pipe most things i watch onto the bedroom mini LCD. I dont imagine that an end to end DRM solution will like this much, never mind the video senders etc ppl use. how does this add up to an improved customer experence if i can only watch on approved hardware?

    1. Re:in the bedroom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't worry, porn is usually non-encrypted and region-free on current dvds. they understand.

  28. The trouble with the black market by SimianOverlord · · Score: 1, Informative

    I have an even greater moral repugnance for the black marketeers who are making a lot of money worldwide in cracked games, movies etc., selling pirated DVDs in markets and so on. Study after study has shown these people to be involved in much more horrific black market criminality than just this seemingly harmless trade, and more people should be aware of it.

    In Britain for instance, the same people who are making vast profits from pirate DVDs and games are people smuggling, selling hard drugs, running child prostitution and exploitation networks in war torn places like Bosnia. They take the profits from their pirate business to help out the other parts. If it comes to a straight choice between murderers, drug dealers and paedophiles and big media companies, all jokes aside, I'd rather give my money to the CEO.

    People need to be aware where the money is going, before they make the moral argument for piracy of goods.

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    Meine Schwester ist sehr, sehr reizvoll - Nietzsche
    1. Re:The trouble with the black market by doofusclam · · Score: 1
      If it comes to a straight choice between murderers, drug dealers and paedophiles and big media companies, all jokes aside, I'd rather give my money to the CEO.


      Utter crap.

    2. Re:The trouble with the black market by SimianOverlord · · Score: 1

      Good Heavens! Such an articulate rebuttal! I reply only to add - everything I have said is verifiable on the Internet somewhere. You can start by googling "piracy links organised crime", if interested.

      Your first reaction is not necessarily the correct one.

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      Meine Schwester ist sehr, sehr reizvoll - Nietzsche
    3. Re:The trouble with the black market by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While it is true that some bootleg sales networks in the rest of the world are run by criminal elements, not everything is done that way. Quite a few smaller operations in certain countries that have the average monthly income of your coffee budget for a week exist because the "legal" barrier of entry is beyond the reach of a majority of the population. I'd rather they not get exposed to the crapola being forced out of hollyweird's ass, but I guess they're really curious. As for software, I'd rather they use Linux or BSD and ditch the Borg. (But I can only speak for me.)

      Whether or not someone agrees with their model is another matter (it's indeed a grey area in terms of pricing and whatnot.) It is technically infringement, but it cannot possibly be lost revenue, since the people could not afford it to begin with. If we elevate their livelihood to near-US levels, they will be able to afford the goods, but there will just be another tiny country of poor people waiting in the wings to be forced to make goods at pennies a day. And the cycle perpetuates itself.

      I'm just saying it's not always Russian mafia and the Triads who are making any money off of pirated goods. I'd rather see P2P and other means undercut these pirates by making it available free instead. :) Take their market for illegal goods out from under them.

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    4. Re:The trouble with the black market by doofusclam · · Score: 1

      Ah you're right, I should have qualified that. But maybe i've spent too many hours seeing signs outside high street stores such as Woolworths in the UK telling me that everyone involved in piracy is a drug-fuelled baby eater.

      Besides, I don't believe any crime figures relating to intellectual property or to the sale of 'dangerous' illegal drugs. Much like the record companies claim they lose thousands for every 8 year old who downloads a song, I find it amazingly funny when the police round here trumpeted a find of 100000 ecstacy tablets as worth '3 million quid'. Which is bollocks when they sell to the end use for less than 1 ukp now.

    5. Re:The trouble with the black market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it comes to a straight choice between murderers, drug dealers and paedophiles and big media companies, all jokes aside, I'd rather give my money to the CEO.

      There's no real difference. They both fetishize money and neither cares who they have to destroy to get it. The CEO just works inside the system, which in fact makes him more insidious - the criminal can at least be arrested once the evidence mounts. The CEO has the law on his side, which stacks the deck completely in his favor.

    6. Re:The trouble with the black market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the government FUD machine has scored a direct hit. It simply isn't the case.

    7. Re:The trouble with the black market by SimianOverlord · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I see. Because the police cannot accurately price their seized ecstasy, it naturally follows that buying pirated DVDs and giving your money to criminals is the correct and proper thing to do.

      You can complain about copy protection all you want. But you must recognise it is there to cut into black marketeers profits, linux users and other consumers are just the collatoral damage of that war.

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      Meine Schwester ist sehr, sehr reizvoll - Nietzsche
    8. Re:The trouble with the black market by EzInKy · · Score: 1


      People need to be aware where the money is going, before they make the moral argument for piracy of goods.

      Well then, obviously the only way to be sure your money never goes to support neferious enterprises is to never pay any money at all.

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      Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
    9. Re:The trouble with the black market by Trelane · · Score: 5, Informative
      You can complain about copy protection all you want. But you must recognise it is there to cut into black marketeers profits, linux users and other consumers are just the collatoral damage of that war.
      Actually, no. Generally, the black marketeers will have either inside sources to the un-DRMed originals, or they will have the resources to break the protection. (Bear in mind that US/Western copyright isn't accepted everywhere (e.g. Iran), and that all it takes is for one entity to un-lock the content for it to be loosed on the black markets!) The best that DRM aims at is keeping the average user from doing what the entity publishing the content (usually the record companies or movie producers) doesn't want them to do. This may be copying to share with a friend, transcoding the DVD to watch on a Palm, or watching the video on a player which hasn't licensed the DRM scheme (for instance, any non-embedded linux, BSD, BeOS, OS/2, Amiga, or other small OS; embedded Linux has at least one legal player you can buy from). Additionally, it has the annoying side-effect of not letting me, for instance, keep my CDs and DVDs in a nice, safe location and storing the actual movies on a big RAID and NFS-mounting them to my notebook or whatever in order to play them (or transcoding and streaming them to my palm).

      So actually, the Digital Restrictions being Managed by Apple, MSFT, and the record and movie houses is leveled directly at you, not the black marketeer.

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    10. Re:The trouble with the black market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Study after study has shown these people to be involved in much more horrific black market criminality than just this seemingly harmless trade, and more people should be aware of it."

      Study after study has shown MS Windows to be more secure than Linux.

      Study after study has shown that computers will only become popular after they can understand handwriting and speech.

      Study after study has shown that cigarettes do not contribute to cancer or lung disease.

      Study after study has shown that most studies are done to further an agenda.

  29. Apple will be at the party too by Macka · · Score: 4, Insightful


    I don't think MS will be able to engineer a position where they are the only technology route to this new type of content. Intel are part of the cadre of vendors working on this, and with Apple working so closely with Intel now, any hooks into this new technology will also be available to Apple (subject to the appropriate licensing deal). And you can bet that Jobs isn't going to sit back on his laurels and watch this unfold without getting in on the act. MS will have to share this market with Apple at least. Though where this leaves the Linux distros I don't know.

    1. Re:Apple will be at the party too by gobbo · · Score: 1
      don't think MS will be able to engineer a position where they are the only technology route to this new type of content. Intel are part of the cadre of vendors working on this, and with Apple working so closely with Intel now, any hooks into this new technology will also be available to Apple

      Hm. Another guess why Apple didn't go with AMD: only Intel is strong enough to stand up to MS anti-trust tactics.

    2. Re:Apple will be at the party too by niskel · · Score: 1

      Obviously you didn't read this. Read the actual article for the MS Intel deal.

    3. Re:Apple will be at the party too by Macka · · Score: 1


      Well that seems to make life a little more complicated for Linux. No mention of Apple in that article though, and I can't imagine Intel saying "no" to Apple if they decide they want in on EF too. Microsoft certainly aren't in a position to dictate an Apple exclusion deal with Intel either. Not in the post anti-trust world they now live in. Apples lawyers would be frothing at the mouth if MS tried a stunt like that.

    4. Re:Apple will be at the party too by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Right, at this point, the industry has 325 Million reasons to want Apple at the table.

      Apple won't touch the revenue model until video is sewn up and entrenched. They could do it on music now but it would hurt their efforts in video.

      After video there's... oh, right, profit.

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  30. Day late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Micro$oft: Day late, dollar sh..Oh wait a min..

  31. The son of iPod will be called... by NumbThumb · · Score: 1

    iPodling. See here.

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    1. Re:The son of iPod will be called... by neomajic · · Score: 0

      Its sooooooo obvious, I'm surprise no one has thought of it. The son of iPod will be called:

      vPod - for Video Pod.

      Duh.

    2. Re:The son of iPod will be called... by neomajic · · Score: 0

      Or maybe: viPod?

  32. I Pee On Bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that is all I have to say.

  33. Other things Bill Gates swore by by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 5, Funny

    There won't be anything we won't say to people to try and convince them that our way is the way to go.
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    In the decade ahead I can predict that we will provide over twice the productivity improvement that we provided in the '90s."
    --
    Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey.
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    If you can't make it good, at least make it look good.
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    Microsoft programs are generally bug-free. If you visit the Microsoft hotline, you'll literally have to wait weeks if not months until someone calls in with a bug in one of our programs. 99.99% of calls turn out to be user mistakes. I know not a single less irrelevant reason for an update than bugfixes.
    The reasons for updates are to present more new features.

    (sources)
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/b/bill_g ates.html
    http://www.antioffline.com/HUM/bill.gates.quotes.h tml

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    1. Re:Other things Bill Gates swore by by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "640K ought to be enough for anybody."
      -- Bill Gates circa 1981

      I missed that quote :)

    2. Re:Other things Bill Gates swore by by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you provide a source for this, other than Internet folklore?

    3. Re:Other things Bill Gates swore by by 2010 · · Score: 0

      "In the decade ahead I can predict that we will provide over twice the productivity improvement that we provided in the '90s."

      This one is actually acurate, since 2 times 0 equals 0.

    4. Re:Other things Bill Gates swore by by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's ok. It's easier than you think to miss a quote of something he didn't say.

  34. gah! typo. by NumbThumb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Note to self: don't nitpick, you'r bound to screw up while doing it.

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    1. Re:gah! typo. by theolein · · Score: 1

      You're right.

  35. Re:Define Paradoxical by LS · · Score: 1

    2.
    a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: "Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated" (Richard Kain).


    I don't believe that it fits. Microsoft's behavior IS expected, and it doesn't match your example in quotes. The proper word is not ironic... I think it is HYPOCRISY.

    If you are going to battle Nazis, make sure your footing is strong.

    LS

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  36. Forced updgrades? by Renraku · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is anyone else nervous of the prospect of being forced to upgrade?

    At least with video cards, (usually) you don't HAVE to have the newest DirectX capability. What if all of a sudden WMP decided that anything below 2GHz was too slow to play media and demanded that you upgrade?

    Microsoft could pull a lot of bullshit with that, since the own the operating system. They could just choose to disable various video/sound APIs until you upgrade. And it would be completely legal for them to do so, that is, if the EULA applies.

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    1. Re:Forced updgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens when M$ decides that BitTorrent and other P2P programs are malicious and uses the Malicious Program Removal Tool to delete them??

      Nathan

  37. Bill stuck with his rent/toll dreams by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Bill has to get away from the rent/toll view of what the end user wants. DVD sales and itunes seem to point to the end user wanting to pay for what they want - once per generation of format. If they can just get into the hardware and software and production and .......

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    1. Re:Bill stuck with his rent/toll dreams by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      All users should have to pay is once, period, not once per format. I know I'm not going to be replacing my CDs and DVDs any time soon! The only reason tapes and records weren't "good enough" was that they wore out, but since CDs and DVDs are digital and perfect backups can be made, there's no longer any need to re-buy content.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  38. My take... my rant. by Vodak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So what does this mean to all of us? Why do companies keep coming up with DRM technology that everyone says are doomed to failer? Why does slashdot and other 'tech' sites contiue to retread the same stories about DRM again and again and again?

    Well it could mean that there is a need for DRM technology in today's culture no matter how much I and alot of other people hate it.

    Companies like Microsoft and others to bring up this technology to fit a niche that everyone is wants. The masses are accepting digitial and downloaded content the way every 'techie' has said they would for years. So companies come up with the easiest solution of DRM. Is DRM good? No, but it's al we have right now.

    To many times I here the argument that DRM is doomed for failer because "it will be broken soon anway" or "Big Business is stupid and trying to control our lives"

    The open source community has an important mission and critical need at this moment to fix this DRM problem now. The only way we will get away from all this DRM talk to to come up with a different solution to the problem.

    DRM is here to stay until there is a better option.

    1. Re:My take... my rant. by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1
      For one, it isn't society that wants or needs DRM, it's the content industry. There's nothing but their own blind ambition stopping them from telling iTunes they could stop with the DRM facade, and if they did this, it would have a positive effect on legal sales and no effect on piracy. The reason DRM attempts keep recurring isn't because society needs it, it's a combination of the industry's quixotic quest to end fair use and the newly-existant DRM industry's self-preservation instinct, convincing the content industry they need some counterproductive gimmick that, coincidentally, it is selling.

      Now, as for solutions, I can't think of any except no DRM. (Please enlighten me.) Open source does indeed need to kill DRM, because it's even more impossible to implement effective DRM in open source than it is in binary (or as Jon might call it, open assembly), and DRM in hardware is its own can of worms (and will be the end of the safety net of "all DRM will be broken"). And if most content moves to proprietary systems, we as a society are taking a huge risk, because only a very limited number of people will know how to display stored content. Someone gets hit by a bus (or a company goes under and nobody maintains the authentication server) and it wipes out everybody's ability to view their DRM-d copy of the next Star Wars. Not to mention that the next George Lucas can erase the crimethink idea that Han shot first from the public memory, and a million things worse. Think about that for a second. DRM, only one small step from what Microsoft will soon be selling as document management systems, makes Orwell's nightmare technically feasible. The moment you can't download a webpage until you prove to the server that your client won't let you copy it, history is mutable. It's scary stuff.

      In my view, DRM isn't worth it. I only considered iTunes because it's DRM is meaningless and already cracked, but I'm reluctant to buy until it's nonexistant. DVDs, well, at long last I can view them now. Good luck selling me a HD-DVD before it's protection is broken, and if, after that, you try to sell me one with the compromised key rescinded, I'll just keep returning it until I get a working copy, and sue your sorry ass if I can't.

    2. Re:My take... my rant. by Luteus · · Score: 1

      Well it could mean that there is a need for DRM technology in today's culture no matter how much I and alot of other people hate it. "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." ~ William Pitt (1708-1778) English statesman from speech on the India Bill 18 November 1783

    3. Re:My take... my rant. by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't *just* DRM. If an iTMS-style DRM were being discussed for movies, where people have plenty of ability to do what they are legally permitted to do with the media they purchase, I would be much less likely to rail against the content industry.

      But the moment the tech companies start talking about "maybe we'll add some DRM functionality to our product to get the content industry on board", the content industry barges in and starts dictating everything that the consumer can't do with their legally-purchased media anymore. That's why DRM is a dirty word now.

      Unfortunately, the only ways you're ever going to break DRM are (a) with cracking tools, and (b) with legislation. In the absence of those factors, the content industry is only going to tighten its grip on the consumer. Even if you come up with a more consumer-friendly alternative to today's DRM, the control that it fails to grant the content industry is going to prevent them from adopting it, especially since DRM is starting to become entrenched.

      All we can really hope for is that the content industry squeezes too hard and causes a political backlash that results in (say) the DMCRA being passed and manufacturers creating hardware that has substantial noninfringing uses.

    4. Re:My take... my rant. by Alsee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This isn't about DRM, or about technology. No, this is about the law. This is about bad law. Bad law that shackles the free market and distorts and defeats natural free market forces. Natural free market forces that will mitigate and repair and problems involving DRM, once innocent noninfringing people no longer face prison. Then Microsoft and the content industries and anyone else is free to use any and all the DRM they like, any system they like, and natural market forces will be free to mitgate and repair any problems that arise.

      Just click my current SIG and help fix the problem. The DMCRA amends the DMCA to say that innocent noninfringing people shall not be imprisoned. Pretty simple really. And if you dissagree, if don't want to support the DMCRA, well ok... then please explain why you believe innocent noninfringing people SHOULD be put in prison?!?

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    5. Re:My take... my rant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ... then please explain why you believe innocent noninfringing people SHOULD be put in prison?!?

      Because they are a good influence on the people that truely belong in prison. Hmmmpf!

  39. Blu-Ray chose Java... by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Insightful


    So Gatesy is cosying up to the folks at HD DVD, all the more reason for the Slashdot crowd to get behind Blu-Ray who have chose the Java platform for their interactive content, and built ontop of the MHP standard.

    What Gatesy really wants is people to choose HIS standard, rather than electing for something more open that lots of other companies support.

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    1. Re:Blu-Ray chose Java... by keepright · · Score: 1

      The HD DVD standard competing with Blu-Ray also extends to the gaming console market. One thing that is noticable with all (if not most) of the standards MS uses, they always change it and try to "better" it making standard complient software problematic. This way they can sway the market in the directions they want. Just think of how different computer hardware might be without MS.

    2. Re:Blu-Ray chose Java... by megrims · · Score: 1

      Java just isn't a selling point. When you say Java, I think 'slow.'

    3. Re:Blu-Ray chose Java... by MosesJones · · Score: 1

      I think 'slow.'

      Have you evidence that you think quickly when I don't say Java?

      If you think Java is slow, go and look at Sun's LookingGlass. Or download a 3D game on a decent mobile phone.

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    4. Re:Blu-Ray chose Java... by megrims · · Score: 1

      Punctuation is nice. Take note of it.
      Grammar also contributes to isolate meaning from words.

      Aside from that, at least one of your examples isn't very good. Have you ever written a Java app for a mobile phone?
      Ugh, it's horrible.
      Even loading text files takes longer than it should. (Compared to opening text messages of similar size)
      As for the 3D games that you speak of, Java does a reasonable job performing with the limited resources and poor input that come with these phones, but the games are still slow.
      Although, I'm certain that they would perform far better under a less restrictive language. Have a look at the performance of symbian OS applications in comparison.

      However, on your recommendation, I did look up Sun's LookingGlass. It looks nice.
      It doesn't erase the negative connotation which goes along with Java. At least in my limited opinion.

      If the underlying language is invisible, then that's great.
      Most of my experience with Java has just been otherwise.

      Java is a nice language, it's easy to learn, and very portable. It has it's purposes.
      However, it's not a selling point.
      Much the same as VB isn't a selling point, actually.

    5. Re:Blu-Ray chose Java... by MosesJones · · Score: 1

      Have you ever written a Java app for a mobile phone?

      Only commercially and for presentations at conferences on enterprise mobility... why do you ask? I've even done Web Service clients in 30k on a mobile with fast response times.

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  40. Think it won't work? by Puls4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey, you've got DRM on your DVD's and MOST people barely notice it.

    Except of course when they reach the FBI warning and can't fast forward past it. And as much as my wife bitched about the annoyance of having 8-10 tracks prior to the movie, she's come to accept it because.... EVERY DVD has it.

    So down the road, when we're force to buy a new monitor with our new computer, well, we won't think much more about it than we do when we get a new phone with our cell plan.

    The only way this is going to fail is if the companies can't hack out a good standard. If it becomes too much of a hassle, THEN it will fail. If my new monitor won't work on a different computer that's also new, or if I'm severely limited by monitor choice, that MIGHT make enough of a difference for me to choose another alternative. But I doubt it.

    1. Re:Think it won't work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There is a pretty simple solution - if you go to Russia or China, purchase a Chineese-made DVD player (BBK brand, for instance). It has an ability to fast forward any track, it will allow you to play DVD with all region codes, plus it has added stuff like MP3, DivX, karaoke etc... Why pay your own dollars to limit your ability to buy and watch DVDs you want?

  41. What's the incentive? by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one wants to buy into a crippled system and consumers are getting more savvy to these type of things. I hear enough complaints about the regional encoding in DVDs and players and the market found a way aroud that (region 0).

    Sadly, while people are too lazy to vote/voice against things like DMCA, they still vote with their dollars.

    iTunes is an example of a system that provides assurance to the music industry while being flexible enough for consumers to use - like being able to share music with friends.

    Napster on the other hand is a more inflexible model and also seems like a traitor in some respects:
    http://p2pnet.net/story/5521

    The thing also with HD DVDs is that right now the DVD is an entrenched market that's good enough for most people. Most people don't even own the right TVs to make use of the enhanced resolution. So what is the incentive to move away from DVDs? Hell, VCR's had good enough resolution but the killer was the ability to go anywhere in the movie like a CD (and the smaller size of discs).

    If people percieve that HD DVD's or PAIDFOR online downloads are severely restricted, what incentive do they have to move away from DVD?

    Resolution they can't take advantage of/notice in most cases? 1 hour wait times until the hour long FBI warning goes away because it stops all those pirates? Compulsory previews?

  42. Article summary: by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bill Gates realizes that he made a bunch of hugely arrogant mistakes that sabotaged his efforts with the content providers, but has humbled himself, turned over a new leaf, and is now ready to make a bunch of hugely arrogant mistakes that will sabotage his efforts with the content buyers.

    What's the old saying? Something about it being impossible for a Microsoft product to not suck before version 3.0? It sounds like Gates has a whole new series of lessons to learn before Microsoft gets this right.

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  43. Re:Define Paradoxical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think Microsoft's taking a stand against monopolies IS expected? I'll have what you're smoking.

  44. Too late, bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I already own a PSP.

  45. Funny by Evro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Several people have already posted about the irony of Bill Gates complaining about another company's monopoly. But I find it amusing that after years of attempts to sell music online, by companies from all over the spectrum, people seem to have chosen Apple's iTunes for its sheer end-to-end simplicity without introducing annoying DRM that gets in the user's way. Because of that, the market has rewarded them with most of the business. In other words, if they are now a monopoly, it's due to customers choosing their product, unlike Microsoft's monopoly, which was created through exclusive deals with hardware manufacturers and technological lock-in.

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  46. Hello! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    My name is Inigo iPod.
    You killed my father.
    Prepare to die.

  47. Steve Jobs, Pixar and video by theolein · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While Bill Gates is thrashing about in frustration because the online music market didn't bend over and do the usual market submissive act to Microsoft, I'm pretty sure he's going to lose the next market, video, as well. Bill Gates' biggest problem is that he hasn't realised, in 10 years of OS dominance, what ease of use is. Sit Mac OSX and WindowsXP next to one another, and note the difference after a short while. He just doesn't get it.

    The same thing with DRMed WMP files and the really bad interface on WMP, where Microsoft thinks it is doing the users a favour by allowing all sorts of skins to be used. Compare that with iTunes' simplicity.

    Steve Jobs may be an arrogant prick who deserves a kick in the balls by all the people he's insulted over the years, but he's right on the money when it comes to understanding what the market and above all, the consumer, likes: simplicity.

    99% of the world neither cares nor knows what DRM is or how their phone or iPod works. All they really want to do is simply put some songs on the device and press play. They don't care about wireless, bluetooth or whatever. The iPod's simplicity is why it stole the market from Creative, not because of features, and Creative's executive are still moaning about how their devices have more features.

    The video device from Apple will be the same, and will fit in just as easily with Apple's online store as the iPod does.

    And Microsoft will still be flapping about like a fish out of water, and Bill Gates will still be promising to defeat Apple.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs, Pixar and video by rishistar · · Score: 1

      iTunes runs on Windows as well and it was this that helped (amongst other factors) pushed iPod sales into the big time, not already converted Mac users. Just because XP isn't as good as MacOS doesn't mean a great user friendly program can't be made to run on it.

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    2. Re:Steve Jobs, Pixar and video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A case in point, has anyone succesfully created a playlist in WMP? I'm not saying drag and drop, but to select one everytime you start WMP.

      I think they thought about it but never finished it, thinking nobody would use it. The UI simply sucks.

    3. Re:Steve Jobs, Pixar and video by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      If Apple could get its act together and cooperate with other companies, they'd be a force to be reckoned with in more areas of technology.

      I'd like to see iVideo downloads by Wifi onto my PSP, personally. Do you think Sony and Apple will pull that off though?

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  48. End-to-end experience really a goal? by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about an end-to-end experience in which I "buy" a video, I "own" it, it is then "mine" to use as I wish, I can "keep" it as long as I like, I can "play" it over and over again, I can "fast forward" or "rewind" to any portion of it it at any time, I can use any player I like from any manufacturer, and I can "lend" it to a friend... ...you know, just like VHS?

    Doesn't seem hard to grasp or difficult to implement.

    Unless (gasp!) he's lying about the end-to-end user experience really begin their main concern.

    1. Re:End-to-end experience really a goal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but VHS is evil because it's going to put the movie industry out of business.

      At least, that's what they were saying 25+ years ago. I expect that to happen any day now...

    2. Re:End-to-end experience really a goal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the end-to-end user experience IS their main concern.

      From the end that any content [ music, video, ?text? etc ]
      enters any user's system, To the
      end that it leaves their system, their goal is
      to have content locked up tight as a drum with
      their DRM. So that in no way can the user
      bypass or intercept said content within their
      end-to-end experience.

      Wasn't I just reading a day or two ago about
      Microsoft wanting to have displays be DRM-enabled
      or equipped or something?

      Lock it Down! Nothing gets in or outta here unless
      they strictly conform to the DRM...
      we are here to help you... we are here to make
      sure you have a Good Experience.

      Fair Uuse? -- Them's four-letter words, boy.

      I was once FVS, but now, alas, anonymous.

  49. But.... by Ghengis · · Score: 1

    You aren't always FORCED to get a new phone with your cell plan. I'm sure you're right and most people won't notice after the initial break-in period, but I will... and it will PISS ME OFF! ... unless of course said new monitor offers 5x the image quality and all sorts of other fluff. Then, the geek in me will will be too excited to get P-O'ed.

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    1. Re:But.... by tepples · · Score: 1

      unless of course said new monitor offers 5x the image quality and all sorts of other fluff.

      Actually, your new monitor will offer 5x the image quality because monitors without HDCP get a big fat Gaussian Blur on HD video that has the "resolution constriction" bit set.

  50. Fat chance by djupedal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "They're trying to learn lessons from their failure on the music side, where Apple blew them out of the water."

    Remember now, this is the company head that penned a not-so-best seller titled 'The Road Ahead'. Billy missed the mark on all predictions, and there is no reason to see that changing any time soon.

    Being run down by Apple shows they're nothing more than a deer in the headlights. Where's Bob? Isn't Clippy impressive? Remember the home video system named Tiger? How do you like being asked where you want to go today, instead of being given interesting options up front?

    Gates and company want more out of consumer pockets, that's all. They're business model is finally being seen what it is by the masses, and the masses are moving on down the road...without Bob's help, by the way.

    1. Re:Fat chance by megrims · · Score: 1

      Despite that, they're still winning.
      Negatives are easy to find, because they stand out, even when outweighed by the positives.

      Now, I don't support Microsoft, but what you're saying is wrong, or misleading.

  51. Re:Define Paradoxical by Tx · · Score: 1

    The OP was commenting on the face value of the situation, I don't think he was seriously suggesting that Microsoft is going to take a firm stance against monopolistic business practices. The fact that you understand Microsofts real reasons for taking this position doesn't preclude the situation taken at face value from being ironic.

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  52. He's already lost. by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As soon as the pipes get thick enough, the cable companies and the FTTH telcos will just expand their "on-demand" services exponentially and slash prices. No need to update your PC. No need to activate or de-activate movies. Just aim the remote at your set-top box, rent the movie for a buck or two, and watch, and watch it again for as long as you want to keep it in the DVR part of your set-top box. Cheaper and more convenient than Netflix.

    The market for watching movies "on the go," be it on a Notebook or PMP, is pretty small, actually. Apple's not interested in it, despite the instant market dominance they'd get from it were they to put a "Video iPod" on the market.

    SoupIsGood Food

    1. Re:He's already lost. by cnettel · · Score: 1

      Like locking it to the set-top box HD wouldn't be equally hard and/or equally invasive to your rights? What about when your kids, in the other room, wants to watch the movie? Move the box around or... *shugger* transmit it over a LAN? (If that's allowed, won't they "need" DRM to "protect" it?)

  53. Gates is still chasing network externalities... by Ghengis · · Score: 1

    Network externalities is what made Windows take off. Since everyone else (geeks excluded) was using windows with Office, etc. you also needid it so that you could share your documents, etc. with them. This is why Gates want's his chosen, closed, DRM'd standards to take off, and in a BIG way. The problem is, if his standard doesn't represent a LARGE majority of the "installations", then network externalities won't truely exist. Also, users are getting more savvy with regards to circumventing such methods, thus removing the network externalities. Another thing to watch for is an old trick of Bill's... using his Windows "monopoly" to leverage a monopoly in this area. It got him in trouble with IE, yet the BRILLIANT legal system let him off. What, then, will stop him from doing it again? I'd guess pre-emptive legal action, preferably with enough media coverage to bring this furtive behavior to the public's eyes.

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  54. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You can always get more women...

    1. Re:But... by pgilman · · Score: 1

      "You can always get more women..."

      not with that haircut

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    2. Re:But... by TioHoltzman · · Score: 1

      Slap a cool million on the table and even that haircut can get more women.

  55. Making it better, eh? by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1
    'really think through the whole end-to-end experience and make it better,' Gates said


    'Better'? For whom? In all likelyhood that's for the benefit of the company and its shareholders, not the actual consumer. O well, what's new...
    1. Re:Making it better, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill, how can you expect someone who says "end-to-end experience" to really understand what people want?

      Bill, it's not "end-to-end experience"... it's the smooth feeling when I press Play... no amount of "whole end-to-end experience" can beat that...

      But I don't think you will ever get it, Bill.

  56. Microsoft Strategy by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Insightful
    One thing I notice that most posters haven't got is the fact that Microsoft doesn't just provide functionality for end users, they are also in to provide functionality to corporations that can ensure that they make more money.

    Take DRM, Microsoft isn't probably that interested in it, however the music and film industries are and Microsoft sees the fact that getting them on board will help to ultimately boost it's bottom line.

    These music and film companies want to sell content to customers over the internet and to their PC, but they don't want any chance of potential piracy. Microsoft is activily courting their requirement, not because customers want to do less with their content, but because MS can turn to those companies and say "hey, you complained that computers were insecure, but Longhorn means you can sell secure content and we are here to help you achieve that".

    Microsoft's biggest advantage is that when Longhorn comes out, it will be pre-loaded onto computers and when Bob gets downloadable video content for his PC, Frank will want some of that too although he'll find that XP just doesn't cut it and he has to upgrade.

    Look to the money. There are huge amounts to be made in music and video downloads, however Microsoft has to include functionality (DRM) into their computers to be able to persuade those companies that their content isn't copyable otherwise they'll never dip their toes into that market. When they do (through the assurances of Microsoft that the PC can ensure secure content stays secure) I can only assume that they'll also have to use a MS subscription based service to serve that content and all the associated licence fees for wrapping their content into the MS DRM.

    In short, including DRM in Longhorn opens up another market for Microsoft to dominate. They'll force people who want to have downloadable video to upgrade and also gain licencing fees from their DRM solution used by the content providers under the illusion that their content really is secure.

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    1. Re:Microsoft Strategy by DannyO152 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is a software publisher, and I would expect them to have a large interest in DRM implementation and deployment in order for them to achieve their goal of 0 unauthorized copies of any titles they publish.

      Television programs and films are not like music tracks. You should not watch them while driving. They really do not work as background. When writing that paper at 3am, you aren't going to brew a cup of joe and put on Friends to keep you awake and more or less productive. There aren't clubs where scene-js or troupes spin or cover favorite snippets from multiple films, sequed by a common word of dialog or pose. Because people view films and listen to music differently, I truly don't think there is any lesson for iPod/iTunes that can be applied to digital film distribution. other than minimize the DRM, sell the stuff to the customer and let go (all of which are missed if Microsoft is truly committed to a forced upgrade scheme). And, probably Microsoft knows this, so, selling the no-theft-paradise to the studios may be about signing studios up now and... tomorrow is another day. Perhaps once in the pocket for insignificant digital film distribution, maybe there's a leverage point with which to ask the studios to get the music divisions on the Microsoft page, and here's some bucks to encourage it. Everyone walking around with msViewPods: don't see it. Microsoft thinking that control of music goes through film distribution relationships: that I get.

  57. bloppers in that picture... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    Since Software is not patentable for all the reasons things are not patentable, and the US court system (not the general public) decided to ignore these things and allow software patents (fraudulent as it is) there is something of a faulty foundation in this matter.

    Add to this the incapable mindset of Microsoft to comprehend what it is to play fair and the consumers rights to have full control over their own property... want to change software on my system remotely, without my knowledge or approval? Better be sure you don't break my system or use the hardware I own to do it. And if I'm using a linux box, I don't suppose licensing can be used as a defence for doing it.

    Cracks in the foundation will allow acidic sewage of patent fraud to leak up and rot the rest of that foundation.

    I believe in giving credit where it belongs, be it royalities to artist for their work, or jail time to criminals.

    Has Peter Jackson been fully paid for LOTR, yet?

    Apparently what Musicians are now learning, that they can, thanks to the internet and computer technology, produce, sale and distribute their music themselves.... And should they build a large following they then have power to deal with the music industry in a label vs. label (competition) better deal for them (the artist).... The movie industry will learn.

    Now that it is apparent that digital resolution is surpassing film resolution....

    Whats to become of the studios and related industry old business methodology? Those making movies will still need some financing, some sets built, studio rental, etc... but rather than being at the mercy of the studio "control" of the distribution process...

    MS "marketing software" is in the business of making people need them. How different is that to the current music and movie industry?

  58. Apple has shown the exact opposite. by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple has proven that (for music at least) large profit isn't to be had.

    It hasn't?

    Apple quarterly profit surges on iPod

    iPod pumps Apple profit

    Apple profits, revenue up again

    Apple sings on iPod sales

    You can say it's an iPod vs iTunes on money. But one is worthless without the other really. The same is true of the new competing DVD formats, either of which would be useless without the content.

    Seems to me that MS is pushing the desktop OS into the TV os market with Windows Media Connect and XBox. Oh yeah, video is well within their sphere of domination dreams, even if it's licensing a dominant platform technology to a content provider... and really, that's what Gates is saying here. As for Apple, if you look at total profits at Apple, music just may be more profitable for them than computers in the future.

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    1. Re:Apple has shown the exact opposite. by Macdude · · Score: 1

      You can say it's an iPod vs iTunes on money. But one is worthless without the other really. The same is true of the new competing DVD formats, either of which would be useless without the content.
      Amazing, you not only managed to completely miss the point you followed it up with a irrelevant claim that is completely wrong. The parent was discussing the fact that Apple doesn't make very much money (and it doesn't) selling content and that Microsoft likely won't be able to make much doing that either. Apple makes it's money selling the hardware (iPod) not selling songs (iTunes). Microsoft wants to make it's money licensing its DRM, not selling movies. It might sell movies but it will be doing it to support its licensing income.

      The iTunes Music Store and iPods are hardly useless without each other. I've have an iPod for a couple of years now and I have yet to buy a song from Apple (and won't as long as they have playback restrictions, a.k.a DRM)). I've filled it with music I've ripped from my CD collection, radio talk shows I've recorded off-air and converted to MP3s, and MP3s I've downloaded from various web sites (there is a lot of free and legal music out there if you look) and I've got some misc. data backed up on there.
      For people that listen to music at their desk iTunes will play there iTMS purchases just fine and once they've burned them to CDs so will their car/home/portable CD player. Granted the iTMS and iPods go well together (if you don't hate DRM) but just like chocolate and peanut butter they are good on their own too.

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    2. Re:Apple has shown the exact opposite. by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

      No, I haven't missed the point at all. My point is that Dibert devil word... Synergy. It is the synergy of hardware + content that drives Apple profit. That same drives XBox. And, on point of the story, that same will drive Windows Media Connect or whatever set top boxes MS plans on licensing to content video companies. MS will do the opposite of Apple, most likely. Lose money on the hardware to make it on a small cut per content (via licensing its DRM).

      My point is not that content alone is profitable. My point is that if you want profit, you must have content, whether you derive that profit from the content sales itself, and lose money on hardware (XBox) or vice versa (iPod). But, either way, you must have both, as one alone (at least up to this point) is not a dominant business model.

      I personally wouldn't buy from iTunes either. But then again, I don't see spending any more than $150 for a player, considering that FM radio/CD-RW (drive to/from work) is usually sufficent for my listening habits.

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  59. "Nostra culpa" by tepples · · Score: 1

    Or he could not say "our mea" culpa, which is saying it was "our my" mistake and just sounds aweful.

    "Nostra culpa" (Latin for "our fault") wouldn't help because English speakers analyze "mea culpa" as one unit, meaning "formal apology", and won't know what to do with "nostra culpa".

  60. Video downloads are not the natural way after ITMS by vhogemann · · Score: 1

    I really can't see the point on downloading a movie, when I can easly rent a DVD... I can do it by phone, or online, and it will be delivered faster than any download.

    Also, I can't immagine how movie downloads can drag people's interest without an easy way to burn them into DVDs, or even VCDs, ITMS way. And I doubt that the movie industry would allow something like this.

    Worst, I don't think that there is a demmand for a portable video player. Of course its cool to be able to watch a movie during a long trip, but that's about it... You can't use it while you work, or while joggin, or studying, or driving! Watch a movie requires your attention, its an exclusive activity.

    On the other hand you can listen to your iPod wherever you are, whatever you may be doing at the time.

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  61. A Solution by ChaoticCoyote · · Score: 1

    Don't buy into these technologies. If you don;t like them, don't buy them. If an entertainment technology is incovenient or too expensive, I can live without it.

    1. Re:A Solution by tuffy · · Score: 1
      Don't buy into these technologies. If you don;t like them, don't buy them. If an entertainment technology is incovenient or too expensive, I can live without it.

      We shouldn't have to live without it. This sentiment appears every time a ??AA dreams up some way of DRMing our entertainment, and I think it's the wrong attitude. This shit needs to be fought so that people can choose whether to experience it. That freedom is the point and we shouldn't be willing to abandon it.

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  62. We control the horizontal by BaudKarma · · Score: 4, Funny

    We control the vertical.

    Who knew they were talking about markets?

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  63. HIPPY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuckin hippy

  64. Re:Define Paradoxical by TwistedSquare · · Score: 1

    Here in the UK the stereotypical opinion of Americans is that they don't understand irony. I never used to believe that, but judging by how often people argue over what's ironic on slashdot, I'm starting to believe there is some truth in it...

  65. Would that be "nostra culpa"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I close?

  66. Speaking of... by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Yeah... every time OSS and M$ go head to head in a LEGITIMATE test, M$ loses their billion dollar shirts off their backs.

    It would be nice if tomorrow, all of M$ and all of Intel were found missing, no trace of them save one last shipment of shitty DRM hardware platforms running the leftover M$ Windows.

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  67. Re:Define Paradoxical by Life2Short · · Score: 1

    "...and when Ben Casey meets Kildare, that's a paradox!" - Allan Sherman

  68. Exactly! The customer is some PHB somewhere. by crovira · · Score: 1

    PHB have no loyalty, no imagination and no heart.

    They want a whole alphabet soup of things that the consumer doesn't give a crap about and specifically they DON'T want their OS to move away from the desk top.

    What would 'save' Microsoft and give it some future would also be what slits their throat.

    I have seen OS/software companies reduced down to mere shadows and staffs cut to where they can all in a single car. PHBs don't need to spend money on maintenance nor do they want to. In the internet age, the customer base could even be global.

    PHBs DON'T want Microsoft to be a success in the home because focus on their TLAs of stuff might get lost. Since they're paying the way, they KNOW they're right.

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  69. Bzzzt... penalty, failure to R your own FA by tweakt · · Score: 1

    Next time, please read the *entire* article before reaching your conclusion.

    Popular meaning

    In the popular vernacular, the expression "mea culpa" has acquired a more direct meaning, in which, by doing or performing a "mea culpa", someone admits to have made a mistake by one's own fault (meaning that it could have been avoided if that person had been more diligent). It may be used even in trivial situations: if a football player, for instance, admits that his team lost a match because he missed a penalty kick, this may be called a "mea culpa", meaning that he admitted his mistake, which he could have avoided (at least in theory), and that resulted in a subsequent evil.

  70. Bill Gates, meet Clue. Clue, meet Bill Gates. by Prototerm · · Score: 1

    There is no way a "video iPod" is going to be popular. People can listen to music while they do other things: jog, drive, work. But you can't do those things and watch a movie. Besides, who wants to watch a movie on a 2- or 3-inch screen? It's bad enough on a 12-inch laptop screen.

    Besides, even if people would buy such a device, why buy from Microsoft when they can get something a lot cooler looking from someone like Apple?

    The first thing Microsoft would want to do with a movie player is to "integrate" all sorts of unnecessary features that would open the door for trojans, viruses, and spam (oh, my!).

    Sorry, Bill. Bad idea. You're throwing money down a black hole with this one.

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    1. Re:Bill Gates, meet Clue. Clue, meet Bill Gates. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1
      It might work if you can get addons to output to an HDTV and SDTV.

      I personally think we will see a "son of" the Airport Express that supports video streaming and output to HD and SD TV's.

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  71. Speaking of Wikipedia, the AACS entry... by argent · · Score: 1

    Wikipedia seems pretty dismissive of AACS,
    though of course Wikipedia is by definition not authoritative.

  72. "Me too" comment by Anonymous+Meoward · · Score: 1

    Thank you for pointing this out. I was wondering if I was the only person in the tech sector who thought the "video iPod" was a mediocre idea at best.

    It amazes me when pundits claim that the next step from an audio player is video. I'm convinced the prognosticators are personal injury lawyers by profession. They're just waiting to sue Apple (or Creative, or Microsoft, or a cell phone manufacturer) once somebody hurts themselves by using the Next Logical Step. And the plaintiffs will have hurt themselves with illogical steps, by walking into walls...

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  73. Here's Why by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 1

    Exactly. And the next "generation" is high-quality digital media files that can (in theory) be transcoded indefinitely to whatever's the trendiest format at the moment.

    Part of the problem is that content-producers are finally waking up to the idea that, as far as media formats go, this is the last generation.

    They weren't so worried about tape piracy, because CDs came along and forced you to re-purchase all your existing media. They stopped worrying about VHS piracy when DVDs came along, because they knew you'd have to "upgrade" all your existing media.

    Now it looks like they're off the "customers paying for what they've already bought" gravy-train, they're shitting bricks and trying to move the entire industry to a rental/pay-per-play-micropayments model, since this is even better (in terms of reliable, regular income) than a once-per-generation splurge of replacement purchases.

    If free, open-format computer files become the platform of choice, the industry as it presently stands is screwed - no "medium-upgrade" tax, free copying - the whole thing comes crashing down around their ears. This is why they're betting the bank on DRM, and using it to grab as many rights as they can - if they have the chance to set the ground-rules, they might manage to make DRM entrenched enough that they can effectively dictate the direction that the technology takes in the future.

    Of course, this is the very definition of a cartel, but since when has being a convicted monopolist ever hurt anyone in the IT/technology industry?

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  74. And cell phones? by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1

    Sadly, cell phone makers (and more acurately content providers) want you to watch movies at a few bucks a piece on your 1" phone display. These people don't get what video is all about. It's fine for viewing your friend eating a big-mac, but won't work for any production clip.

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    1. Re:And cell phones? by linzeal · · Score: 1

      It will if the productions are made for that size screen. Some lo-fi cartooney characters might work.

  75. What Bill *really* means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "We're really having to work more closely with partners in the hardware industry and content industry, to really think through the whole end-to-end experience and make it better," Gates said.

    Of course he means better for Microsoft's bottomline, not the consumer.

  76. Re:Video downloads are not the natural way after I by @madeus · · Score: 1

    I really can't see the point on downloading a movie, when I can easly rent a DVD... I can do it by phone, or online, and it will be delivered faster than any download.

    Actually you can download an entire feature length movie (say 600-800 MB in MPEG 4) in less hour with 'bog standard' consumer DSL (i.e. @ 1.5-2 Mbps), and many people have faster than that (especially from cable providers, and in Europe from unbundled telecoms operators offering services like VSDL).

    With this sort of technology, you can start playing videos before they have downloaded (not technically streaming, just starting once the first few minutes are down), meaning you can start watching one at home before your average Blockbuster customer has even reached their local store.

    In fact, you can do this today with DivX On Demand which also allows you to burn completely downloaded movies to DVD, to play on your DivX equipped set top DVD player. The biggest hurdled to adoption at present is the quality of movies on offer (it's pretty much a list of B-Movies).

    Also, I can't immagine how movie downloads can drag people's interest without an easy way to burn them into DVDs, or even VCDs, ITMS way. And I doubt that the movie industry would allow something like this.

    Making them easy to burn is trivial (well, it seems hard for a lot of vendors, but it's really easy in practice), getting the movie industry to adopt it is indeed the tricky part.

    The DivX On Demand service has *roughly* the right idea, in that they burn DVD which will only play on your player, the lame part is if you have multiple players you need to burn separate discs for each one (which it lets you do, but it's a hassle, and it means you can't just take a disc round to a friends house).

    This can be solved either by smarter, network enabled players (which a lot of parties, including companies like AOL, are looking at - and are available to purchase now, though they are by and large pretty flakey at the moment), or by 'closed' wireless video senders (which operated somewhat like the way Apple Airport units do in streaming sound, but in a closed way).

  77. Microsoft is missing the "culpa" part... by argent · · Score: 1

    Not only has Microsoft not admitted responsibility for the biggest mistake they made, they haven't recognised it as a mistake, and they fought the Department of Justice to a standstill over their right to keep making it. Now they're trying to push a supposedly-fixed but more elaborate and pervasive version of the same mistake.

    I'm talking, of course, about what started as Active Desktop and has now spawned "dot NET". The fundamentally broken design that grants rights to displayed or embedded objects based on an ad-hoc "security zone" model can never work. It doesn't matter what certificates, security applets, or warning dialogs you apply, it should never be possible to launch potentially untrusted code outside a sandbox without an explicit request from an actual human being.

    The rot is spreading, too. Thanks to Microsoft's Big Lie becoming Conventional Wisdom, both Safari and Firefox have in very small ways picked up similar bad habits... though at least they haven't made them part of an API that important applications depend on, they're not built into the HTML display component itself, and they can be disabled.

  78. Backwards. by Safety+Cap · · Score: 1

    He was saying that Apple doesn't make cash on each download, but on the sales of each iPod.

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    Yeah, right.
  79. Actually, until you can download a movie from by crovira · · Score: 1

    the producer, and he can make some dough directly, you're stuck with what ever they can sell to the advertisers. At least, its not like TV shows where they increase their profits by cutting into the content.

    The "third" movie that makes a profit on a iTunes like basis, with not too onerous DRM, will herald in the end of the distribution monopoly/oligopoly.

    The day producers realize that they can recoup their expenses, and not have to beg to get a movie made, (and watch as accountants gut it while cringing at every dollar they have to spend on the abomination the accountants themselves have caused,) I expect that that the current mode of production will deflate at a disastrous rate.

    More people will be using digital tools to produce more content (actors will be in even more demand,) but we won't be stuck paying for all the distribution salaries and other costs.

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    MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
  80. The need to dominate is mental illness. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1


    Why does the richest man in the world, who has never been good at his core business, feel as though he needs to dominate another business?

  81. I am culpable / responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are going to be pedantic, get it right!

    'Mea Culpa' most literally translates as 'I am culpable' or 'I am responsible'.

    Note that is not the same as saying 'It is my fault' as you can claim responsibility without accepting there was any fault.

    Mea culpa. I am responsible for this post. This post is not my fault because there is nothing wrong with it. (Aside from the spleling errors and the its mind-numbingly pedantic nature! ;)

  82. Why is everybody saying Apple has a monopoly? by josquin9 · · Score: 1

    A monopoly is where a company uses it's dominance in the industry to prevent competition by means other than price and performance, NOT where a compny's product is seen as vastly superior and therefore little interest is shown in competing platforms. There are plenty of other portable music players, but, thankfully, there's no rule that says a certain number of people have to use other products for the sake of market diversity if what they want is an iPod.

    A monopoly would be if apple used the iPod's dominance to prevent speaker manufacturers from producing speakers that worked with competing technology.

    1. Re:Why is everybody saying Apple has a monopoly? by argent · · Score: 1

      I think it's the iTunes/iPod thing, they're complaining that you can't buy an iPod and play music from Real or get a Rio and play music from the iTMS.

      The problem is that the solution the people who complain the most about it pose... forcing everyone to use the same DRM scheme... creates an even stronger monopoly than anything the market itself could lead to.

    2. Re:Why is everybody saying Apple has a monopoly? by nagora · · Score: 1
      A monopoly is where a company uses it's dominance in the industry to prevent competition by means other than price and performance,

      No, a monopoly is a simple observation of market share. What you are describing is the legal concept of monopoly abuse.

      Everyone is allowed to capture the market fairly. They are not supposed to be allowed to keep or extend that monopoly unfairly (eg, using their control of a delivery channel to increase the market share of their own products by refusing to carry competitors'). It happens all the time anyway, though.

      TWW

      --
      "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
    3. Re:Why is everybody saying Apple has a monopoly? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1
      Nobody forces you to buy an iPod, other players support those DRM'ed stores and the iTMS is a selling point for many people.

      What is the problem?

      Real, MSFT and Napster shot themselves in the foot by not supporting the mac platform. That makes their players useless to me and they are enforcing "platform" lock in" which is worse in my mind.

      --
      Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
    4. Re:Why is everybody saying Apple has a monopoly? by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is the problem?

      The problem is that Microsoft isn't getting a free pass from the market for a change, so their hired legislators are casting aspertions and viewing in alarm and so on.

      Microsoft actually has a plausible business case for not supporting the Mac, by the way. Apple doesn't have a strong DRM framework! iTunes doesn't have components that run in the kernel to keep people from hooking in to the audio stream after it's decrypted and before it's converted to analog! My god, can you imagine what would happen if people could do that! Chaos! Anarchy! Dogs and cats living together! Someone might even burn a track to an audio CD and then rip it back to... wait... don't they allow that anyway? Oh, hush, don't tell anyone...

  83. Joe Schmoe vs. Joe L33t vs. DRM by Dobeln · · Score: 1

    "The content providers have got it backward. They're not going to find their panacea with a completely-secure, uncrackable DRM scheme."

    True, but that is not what they are looking for. Rather, their solution lies in DRM schemes that create significant barriers to copying, either in terms of effort, and / or quality-of-service deterioration.

    Their aim is not to shut down Joe-L33t. Rather, they just have to keep Joe-schmoe buying their stuff rather than downloading. It might not be possible to snuff out copying entirely (if it can be viewed / listned to it can be copied, after all...) - instead they will aim to use a mix of DRM and enforcemen.

    This means raids on the largest distributors, scare tactics against common copiers "pour encourager les autres", DRM on all content sold, etc. - combined with developing "official" digital distribution channels. In the end, it will probably work pretty well.

    Sure, there will probably be cracks, workarounds, etc. available, but Joe-Schmoe isn't going to spend hours trawling obscure websites full of porn popups to find them.

  84. Its already here. The Mac Mini, by crovira · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It looks unobstrusive. It run QuickTime in 1080i and iTunes. Its absolutely brilliant.

    Option 1.) You can 'Tivo' your TV shows, strip out the ads, burn 'em to DVD and then watch at your leisure.

    Option 2.) You can just buy he content on iTunes. And no friggin' lead-in ads either.

    Case closed...

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    MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
    1. Re:Its already here. The Mac Mini, by gsfprez · · Score: 1

      The Mac mini cannot run 1080i video. I have no idea what you're talking about.

      I cannot play H.264 1080i content on a DP 1.8 G5 with 2 gigs of ram and a 10k SATA drive... so the idea that it can be played on a Mini is silly.

      Now, what we could use is some kind of Broadcom H.264 decoder based hardware that does the work for our computers... then yes, the mini would be great for playing this content.

      Even EyeTV's HD box, the EyeTV 500, says it requires a DP G5 to make it go.

      --
      guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.
  85. Music Videos May Be Coming to iPods by mcn · · Score: 1
  86. stock market believes Steve, not Bill by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Bill can spin all the fantasies he wants. However MSFT stock has declined so far this decade, while AAPL has increased 350%.

  87. Cripes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do I bother reading anything with Microsoft in the title when I know what the bloody response is going to be?

    Here is an exercise, Slashdotters... imagine some random open source group said the same thing as Bill Gates... would you flame them, or no?

    If yes, the flame is valid.
    If no, why bother? It's fun, sure, but does it do anything? No. Does it make sense? No.

    (of course, there will probably be a reply or two to this about support Gates... there is so much irony here... considering most of you folks are Bush bashers, and he uses the same sort of mentality to support his war on terror, heh)

  88. Buy a Mac lately? by crovira · · Score: 1

    They can all burn CDs and some burn DVDs. :-)

    Microsoft is a business desktop operating system. Its sold to companies that way by the Dells of the world.

    Watching video indeed it, uh, monopolizes your full attention.

    There IS NO WAY IN HELL that the PHBs of the world are going to let that into the company.

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    MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
  89. Octopi... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1
    From the article:

    The system would also allow the AACS group to reach into the house and change software if the system got hacked to produce unauthorized copies. That's a level of control rarely seen before the latest video game consoles.

    But such control may alienate customers, analysts warn. Indeed, some consumer advocates complain that Microsoft is giving veto power over new technology to the risk-averse entertainment industry. Especially disturbing, they say, is the idea of buying a device that does something, only to have a piece of restricted content disable that feature later with a forced software "upgrade."


    I'll be avoiding this technology like the plague. Thoughts of various Microsoft service packs blowing up my computers (breaking applications) come to mind.

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    Lodragan Draoidh
    The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
  90. Why do I feel like Poland circa 1938? by ianscot · · Score: 1
    Conspiracies between megalomaniacs rarely end well.

    Thing is, they don't always work out that well for the people caught between the two megalomaniacs, either.

    (But go ahead, wave your "Peace in Our Time" paper around if it makes you feel better.)

    --
    "Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
  91. Connotation vs. technical meaning by mister_llah · · Score: 1

    That is the connotative meaning of monopoly... the actual dictionary definition is different :)

    Etymology: Latin monopolium, from Greek monopOlion, from mon- + pOlein to sell
    1 : exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action
    2 : exclusive possession or control
    3 : a commodity controlled by one party
    4 : one that has a monopoly

    This isn't a rebuff or anything, I'm just being overly technical ;)

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    MoM++ - A Classic Expanded - [Master of Magic 1.5]
    http://mompp.sourceforge.net/
  92. kids by microcars · · Score: 1
    "...People can listen to music while they do other things: jog, drive, work. But you can't do those things and watch a movie. Besides, who wants to watch a movie on a 2- or 3-inch screen? It's bad enough on a 12-inch laptop screen."

    There is a whole 'nuther generation coming up that has been weened on TV in addition to or INSTEAD OF Music.

    They are already used to small screens (in-car DVD players) and watching 320x240 video clips on computer screens that are highly compressed and look like crap.

    And they watch the same stuff over and over and over again.
    And they don't have to be actively engaged with it to "watch" it. They've seen whatever program or movie so many times, they know it by heart and it is just there for them when they choose to watch it.

    My grandkids all come over and bring movies, they pop in a movie, watch a few minutes of it, then run around and play, then they come back for the part "they like" , then they fight or play a game, all the while, the movie is playing. They look at this stuff differently than I do.

    If there was a device that had a small screen that could easily be loaded with 1 or 2 of their favorite movies or several TV shows in a compressed form, they would have that thing clipped to their belts and take them everywhere!

    I wouldn't use one, but they would and the parents will be the ones to buy the things for them as soon as it becomes about as easy as buying a DVD.

    If they can buy a small player and Card that has 4 Spongebob episodes on it, they'll do it. Even if they already have the DVD.

    --
    I like microcars
    1. Re:kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they can buy a small player and Card that has 4 Spongebob episodes on it, they'll do it. Even if they already have the DVD.

      Actually, Nintendo sells exactly that.

      http://shop.nickjr.com/product/index.jsp?productId =1800818

  93. 10's of Millions huh? by ThePepe · · Score: 1

    "But the content owners are watching IPTV's progress closely, Gates said. "They'll often say to us, 'Well, how many households, and in what year?,' and at this point nobody knows the exact number. But over the next five years, it will be definitely many tens of millions."

    Honestly, is the man even capable of speach that doesnt involve grandiose claims and bloated ego. Sure Bill youre going to go from ~0% deployment of technology that most people dont give a crap about to 'many tens of millions' households in 5 years.

  94. Microsoft is sooo stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft just does not get it.

    They keep continuing to position themselves in the "content policing" business, while Apple has managed to work out a compromize, that satisfies both the costumers and the content owners, percieved as a fair deal for all participants.

    Microsoft is like a blinded giant, blinded by it's own corporate dinosour culture. Eventually they'll miss the track and find themselves at the exit door.

  95. So what... by sillybilly · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Like Apple would be a different beast than MS. Frankly, Apple's hip offerings don't entice me - as far as looks and ease of usability goes, I'll take Win98SE any day over a recent Mac.

    1. Re:So what... by Nastard · · Score: 1

      Either you haven't used a Mac recently or you have a very strange idea of what "usability" means.

      Or maybe it has more to do with ignorant counter-culture elitism, which is pretty funny, if you think about it.

    2. Re:So what... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Either you haven't used a Mac recently or you have a very strange idea of what "usability" means.

      Or maybe it has more to do with ignorant counter-culture elitism, which is pretty funny, if you think about it.


      Or maybe he just prefers Windows? Windows XP is not all that bad as people make it out to be. And as you Mac people like to point out - Windows has not changed much from 1998 either.

    3. Re:So what... by Nastard · · Score: 1

      I defend Windows as much as possible, as someone who used XP until about 6 months ago without ever having it crash.

      I'd say it's changed quite a bit.

  96. Ignore Gates by Tom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He's talking himself into obsolence anyways. A year ago, I'd have said "fuck gates", but it's not even important anymore.

    See, he's just talking big. Whatever scheme he comes up with will most likely suck, and the users, used to simplicity, will just ignore it and use something else. If some DRM scheme gets inbetween them and the music or videos they want, there are plenty of magazines out there telling them exactly how to use emule, bittorrent, or whatever the hype will be in 2012, when Longhorn and it's built-in DRM finally hit the market.

    Users are becoming a market force, and if they don't like DRM, it will fall flat. The music industry doesn't control half as much as they like. The mainstream is all theirs, but there's so much music out there, if Britney isn't available, there's 500 others who are just as good.
    It's not the same with movies, but there are already a ton of good indy movies, and besides you still have the cinemas where screeners are made to be posted online.

    Gates is, once again, clawing at an emerging market he missed, hoping that with strong words and another vaporware announcement, he can stop the world moving for long enough so he can still hop aboard.

    It's just that it ain't 1995 anymore, and even grandma down the street isn't so sure that Gates is a visionary anymore. Lots of people still look at him, but few stop for him anymore.

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    Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
    1. Re:Ignore Gates by .killedkenny · · Score: 1
      Users are becoming a market force, and if they don't like DRM, it will fall flat

      I agree, except for one thing. To properly implement end-to-end DRM, the user needs a complete change of hardware and software, right? Well, that's exactly what Joe Average will get when he buys a new $399 system from Dell. It'll have DRM chips on the motherboard, Longhorn on the hard drive, and an encrypted link to the monitor.

      Protected content will be sold only through these systems, and the market share will automatically increase as part of the natural upgrade cycle. Game over. It's the same old MS tactic of abusing the Windows monopoly. Why should they fear another slap on the wrist?

    2. Re:Ignore Gates by Tom · · Score: 1

      Well, that's exactly what Joe Average will get when he buys a new $399 system from Dell.

      Except that he won't buy a new monitor or speaker system, and that's what counts.

      Protected content will be sold only through these systems, and the market share will automatically increase as part of the natural upgrade cycle.

      If that were true, we'd be seing the effect already. The technology has been there for a while.

      What is really happening is that bad copy protection is getting accepted, and that's what frightens me. Audio CDs, for example. Their protection sucks and is easily broken, but what I don't see and would like to is that people refuse to buy them.

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      Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  97. Video is different by HuguesT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do people assume the next big thing is video-on-the-move? a.k.a son-of-iPod.

    Who wants to watch movies on itty-bitty 5" screens? Whereas you can jog, work, eat & commute (not all at the same time) while listening to music, watching a movie is best done at home on a big screen.

    Good luck to Microsoft, if they are in charge, at least the first iteration of any upcoming product will be an excellent lesson on how not to do things, if history is any guide.

  98. Re:Define Paradoxical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I also find that most people have no idea what words mean.

    Coincedence:
    The librarian was killed by falling books.

    Irony:
    The librarian was kill by a stack of books entitled "How to live longer"

    Hope this hurts...

  99. How about... by HarryZink · · Score: 1


    How about Microsoft/Bill Gates fix their OS' feature as a spam/virus kit first, before they decide to jump into yet another market segment -- oh, right, fixing spam, virii, and your own bugs doesn't actually generate profits.

  100. A lesson on why people consider Microsoft evil by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Many people don't seem to understand how people can consider Microsoft "evil".

    This DRM thing they are pushing is pretty annoying, but that's not the wole reason.

    When you think about it for a while, what is far wrose then Microsoft pushing thier own DRM is that with all the money and power they have, they could actually push a DRM-free solution and get awway with it. They could buy a whole studio just to seed the content on such a system.

    And that is why some consider Microsoft to be evil. Not just because of what they do - but because they seemingly do nothing altruistic with the power and money they have. When you believe that money could be made just as wasily with no DRM in the picture then it only follows you would believe Microsoft has the social responsibility to do so instead of using the power they have to take rights away from consumers.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:A lesson on why people consider Microsoft evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oops... kinda forgot about this one... They don't call it Microsoft, but who do you think calls the shots?

  101. So much focus on a poor competitor. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    I find it funny that there is so much focus on the Apple iPod (including people willing to pepper their language with advertisements for it--"podcasting") because it is a relatively crappy portable digital audio player.

    The Apple iPod is underdocumented, so you can't run software on it that you might want to, it doesn't support all of the formats other portable digital audio players do (most notably Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, Speex, which would let you keep your freedom and even other popular non-free formats), it can't record without additional equipment (at least not if you accept Apple's restrictions), it has no radio nor any features that work with the radio (such as radio song identification), and the software the iPod runs is proprietary so even if you know someone who is skilled in programming you can't get them to work for you to easily add new features. Cory Doctorow has documented how iPod-related software has declined in features if one keeps up with official Apple software updates installed through the normal MacOS X software update functionality.

    The Apple iPod strikes me as a triumph of advertising over interesting and useful features which ordinary people could use. If any well-funded competitor can't compete against the iPod, I'd wonder if the real issue at hand is an unwillingness to fund the media campaign which Apple is apparently willing to fund in order to prop up this disappointing device.

    1. Re:So much focus on a poor competitor. by phillymjs · · Score: 1

      The Apple iPod strikes me as a triumph of advertising over interesting and useful features which ordinary people could use.

      I think you missed the clue train, pal. The iPod was an instant hit, even before the marketing blitz. When it was Mac-only, Windows users were clamoring to hack it to work with their boxes, and rejoiced when Apple started selling a Windows-compatible version. Even after the marketing blitz, the reason the iPod sells so well is specifically because it is targeted at ordinary people and has the features they want.

      Ordinary people don't give a rat's ass about Ogg, FLAC, or any other minority formats. Ordinary people listen to MP3s and their iTMS purchases, and that's pretty much it. They want to be able to plug the thing into the dock and have their music sync up without having to think about it. They don't want to program their iPod or run applications on it. Most people don't want to record to it directly, which is why recorders are add-ons and not a stock feature.

      ~Philly

    2. Re:So much focus on a poor competitor. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

      When exactly was this "before the marketing blitz" time? I don't remember a time when Apple distributed the iPod that it wasn't being advertised. I maintain it is a product of profound advertising, not inherently well-played functionality.

      As for the rest of your post, you're just defining what people want in terms of what the iPod can do. You ignore what people have been doing with audio players (even portable ones) for years before the iPod came out. By your argument, the iPod need never add any new features (like video or wireless communication) because the iPod can't do it now.

      Running applications is what people do with their iPods -- they mostly run the same program which is the software that gives them the user interface to select what audio to play. Sure, this isn't running user-installed programs of the user's choice (it's all about Apple's choice), but the software iPods run isn't burned into a ROM chip either.

      I maintain that the iPod is yet another counterexample of "picking the best tool for the job" because the iPod lacks so many cool features other similarly-priced portable digital audio players have (playing through one's car stereo requires additional equipment) or the iPod lacks innovative features I have yet to see in any portable digital audio player (Apple makes it really hard to legally share tips about what tracks other people like by hearing a fair-use sample of iTunes tracks on other neighboring iPods and then bookmark the track info on one's device for purchase later).

  102. Question Of the Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone please explain to me (I've never worked for a large software developer) why Microsoft, with access to virtually unlimited amounts of software development talent, consistently turns out such crappy software? Surely the brighter folks there must have ideas about how to make some really great stuff, software that would, say, even put Apple to shame. What is it about the culture, the process, the management -- whatever -- that will not allow really good and useful stuff to emerge from Redmond?

  103. Isn't it awful when one player dominates something by Tangential · · Score: 1

    I know that this is a concept that we all (especially MicroSofties) find abhorrentt. I applaud Bill for being against dominance.

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    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But then I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain
  104. Always the innovator (not!) by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

    Lets face it the problem with Microsoft is it's shyness to produce its own designs and hardware.

    It produces the base design and requirements, the software but then lets the OEMs design the hardware. This often means cheap designs give their ideas a bad name.

    If they were to produce sexy well designed hardware (they need a really talented designer for this) then they would get somewhere in the media market.

    Their problem is always their laziness to produce anything new, it generally has to contain some variant of Windows or is based on commodity PC hardware.

    Maybe with the new XBox360 we will finally see what Microsoft is capable of.

  105. The "Content Industry"? by EEBaum · · Score: 1

    As a musician, I take offense at the notion that I must be working in some sort of content factory, extruding music product on an assembly line.

    Being referred to in such a way makes me all the less motivated to "produce content."

    Microsoft, I fart in your general direction.

    --
    -- I prefer the term "karma escort."
    1. Re:The "Content Industry"? by Animats · · Score: 1
      As a musician, I take offense at the notion that I must be working in some sort of content factory, extruding music product on an assembly line.

      Well, you are. The music industry is a brand-based advertising and marketing driven business. Actual performance of the music is incidental. Studio musicians are easily available who play better than you do. Post-production is where the real work is done, anyway. Being able to play accurately in real time has become an irrelevant skill, like penmanship.

      There are bands which, over time, replaced all of their members while keeping the same name. It's about the brand, not the band.

    2. Re:The "Content Industry"? by chibitoku · · Score: 1

      That's an entirely too cynical way of thinking. I am forced to agree with you concering those who are involved with the mature labels under RIAA and its ilk. I must disagree, however, concerning those who are embracing the ever-growing indy label music business. There is also the possibility that the originator of the article plays in a band for fun, not for business.

  106. Video-pod? Who wants one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got all excited when the lovely pics of these PMPs started showing up a few years back... but after trying a few I can't see anyone wanting one.

    Watching movies on a small screen is no fun. the only possible time it is of use is on very long, uninterrupted train/plane journeys... and often the planes have movies for you anyway.

    The only thing i ever managed to watch without getting inturrupted was short 20 minute cartoons.

    How is the PSP doing with respect to selling/watchig films? It seems to have the best screen of any around, but even then i can't see anyone PAYING for movies to watch on it. Especially if they already have the DVDs.

    At current bandwidth speeds I'm not willing to pay much for "DVD quality" stuff that will take days to download, i won't have space to store and will have usage restrictions. Maybe in 5 years when we are all on ultraband and have 100 terrabyte drives.

    What I would (and do) do would be use slightly lower quality video to preview new stuff, watch stuff that isn't broadcast in my area (Battlestar galactica?) and then maybe buy the DVDs if I like them. In this way it works more like broadcast tv than a DVD store. If they price it to compete with a DVD store then it will fail.

    If they make the prices nominal (50$ for a 1hr tv show at reasonable quality) or free (with unobtrusive ads) then I might use it.

    But even then the main focus won't be my PMP, it will be watching 99% of it at home, but being able to port it to something portable on the odd occasion i have a long trip.

  107. There is no "Son of iPod" and there never will be. by mlylecarlin · · Score: 1

    iPod HAS no SON!

  108. Re:Define Paradoxical by nbanman · · Score: 1

    I think "The librarian was killed by falling books" is ironic. For a librarian, books are providers and sustainers; they provide his wages and hence his food, shelter and luxuries. For these books to kill him is discongruous, and therefore ironic.

  109. My response to Gates: by merc · · Score: 1

    You can't make me buy one.

    --
    It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
  110. they/he doesn't get it. STILL by Locutus · · Score: 1

    All we have to do is look at how Microsoft handled their Palm attack( WinCE ). They first came on the market with a product which didn't support the same screen orientation as the Palm and forced hardware vendors to build Microsofts clame-shell systems. That failed because the market wanted the smaller portrait format. After all but one of the first WinCE vendors closed shop, Microsoft came out with another video layout and renamed the productline as the MS-PalmPC before the courts told them to stop that and the name became MS-PocketPC.

    So, they did this 8 years ago and didn't learn anything from this. Or atleast they didn't learn that the VENDORS and OEMs are the ones to INNOVATE around the customers. Bill seems to think that it's all about Microsoft control when it's actually the opposite. For another example, look at the Windows 3.x days when hardware OEMs could load custom software over, or inplace of, the Windows desktop. Compaq came out with a nice rollodex-like manager and HP came out with HP-NewWave for an object oriented folder and data desktop interface. Microsoft LEARNED from that and when they launched Windows95, their licensing forbid any changes to the Desktop.

    Bill/Microsoft learns from earlier mistakes alright. To him, the mistakes are letting the market make the choice, letting innovation occur... Same olde Microsoft so there's little to worry about if you're not a Microsoft vendor, OEM, or customer. If you are, well, you'll have to keep living with THAT until they, or you, leave.

    LoB

    --
    "Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
  111. Re:Define Paradoxical by Jerf · · Score: 1

    We understand it OK and a lot of our humor revolves around it.

    We just don't agree on the terminology. Whether or not that's "right" or "wrong" depends on how prescriptive or proscriptive you're feeling today.

  112. MS Hiring Culture by amightywind · · Score: 1

    You have to wonder what's wrong with Microsoft's corporate structure when, with their vast resources and many talented people, they can't even build a useable media player (let alone content delivery and management system).

    Are they really talented? That may not be true. I have talked to several people who have interviewed for Microsoft programming positions. The day consists of consistant, high pressure grilling about language trivia by a smug cadre whose sadistic zeal is fueled by their resentment of their own treatment during the interview process. Does this environment really get them the hires they need, or just the ones tough enough to withstand the day-to-day madness.

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  113. it will be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sone of iPod will be something like iPodv or somethinglike that, it will look exactly like a color screen iPod and it will be able to play video. The only visible difference is that it will have a sVideo out and it will have many different attachemnts for sale, from video goggles, iScreen to iProjector or iRay or something like that.

    That is my wager.

    and that would be cool if they had a cigarette sized diode projector that could project a large tlevision sized picture...

  114. M$ DRM by jambarama · · Score: 1

    Continuing the DRM happy news, Microsoft wants to end hardware copyright circumvention with Longhorn. This scheme would require new monitors, and entirely different hardware requirements.

    Best case scenario: this is great because it will this be a nail in the coffin for widespread Longhorn adoption. Thus companies like Dell may sell computers equipped with Linux to avoid higher hardware fees. I wrote about this while back.

    Worst case scenario: this is a brick wall for Linux drivers. Linux will be reduced to working only on specialty or old hardware.

  115. Hmmmm by blamanj · · Score: 1

    "We're really having to ... think through the whole end-to-end experience and make it better,' Gates said.

    If they only had this attitude towards Windows. Amazing what a little competition does.

    1. Re:Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "d00d! Good one!!!1!1! Penguin powar!1!1 lawl"

      If you'd peeked into the real world in the last 5 years, you'd see that Windows is faster, more stable, and adapts to new things (hardware, etc) with much fewer issues than the previous incarnations.

      Competition? Who? Linux? Which one? Damn, I got Slackware when I should have got Mandrake! Hey! It doesn't recognize my 3 year old standard video card! Recompile the kernel for 3D acceleration support?! WTF?! Hey, it's Ubuntu! Almost hands-off configuration! This could work... damn, this app's only for KDE. *tosses Ubuntu*

      Other OSes may well be nibbling MS's market share, but even when you give OSes like Linux, BSD, BeOS, etc... away for free, they still can't catch up to 1/4 of Windows' adoption rate. "Must be all those ignorant users who don't know alternatives exist!" right? Maybe they've seen the alternatives and are thankful for what they have now.

  116. Hidden but real cost of P2P by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 1

    B.Cost. It's very hard to beat free.

    Except that it's not. You started to touch on this idea of cost, but it bears repeating/fleshing-out. Say you make 30 an hour at work, which means your time is worth about that much. Around a buck every 2 minutes. Soooo if it takes you more than 2 minutes to find and procure a high-quality version of a song that costs 99 cents at the iTMS (complete with high-res album art, good tags, etc.), you are actually LOSING, from an economic perspective.

    This exact same argument can be levied against Windows vs. OS X. If you buy a much cheaper Windows box (instead of an Apple machine) but it takes you, on average, 20 more hours of babysitting/troubleshooting/virus-crapware removal, Windows reinstalls, etc. over the lifetime of the machine vs. OS X maintenance (and I think most of us who use both would agree this is a veeeery conservative estimate), and your time is worth about 30 an hour, you just blew 600 bucks of "value" over and above the purchase price of your Windows box. Which puts it squarely into (and probably well past) an equivalently-configured (but somewhat more expensive) OS X machine. (Granted, this is an oversimplification as I have not included here things like the opportunity cost of not being able to play all the latest games, etc., because the value of that differs from person to person).

  117. Competition by wiml · · Score: 1

    The equivalent of open source hardware is the commodity beige-box hardware that the PC world is known for. Remember when PC hardware prices fell through the floor as the number of producers increased (early/mid 90's, IIRC)? Things like motherboards are already effectively open source in some ways. The chipset manufacturer publishes a reference design which they say the chips should work with. Some motherboards are basically just the reference design put into mass production. Other mobo vendors do more of their own (re)design of course. (Think BSD-style open source here, not GPL.) And re the Xbox -- isn't Microsoft still losing money on each sale? Selling hardware at a loss and making up the difference in software sales doesn't make them a hardware company!

  118. /. :: Home to free Brainstorming for Apple and MS by tyrione · · Score: 1

    amongst countless other companies fishing for future product ideas.

    Keep it up folks. Perhaps one of you can brag that you hinted at the idea for a future multi-billion dollar product, but not being in a position to patent the design or idea once more leave it for the current patent rich giants to get more ideas for FREE*


    *Not as in beer either.

  119. We all learned it from Bender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Fry: Robot Devil? I get your hands? Zam!

    Robot Devil: Oh what an appallingly ironic outcome.

    Bender: It's not ironic it's just coincidental . Now fork over those lady-fingers cookie!

    ...

    [The Robot Devil screws a huge white airhorn into Bender's nose slot.]

    Bender: Yes! With this built-in stadium airhorn I can really annoy people. And all it cost me was my crotchplate.

    ...[Leela walks through the door into the corridor between the lounge and meeting room and walks straight into Bender who blasts her with a blast from his airhorn. She holds her ears to block out the tremendous noise. Bender stops and laughs. The Robot Devil peeks around the corner from the meeting room.]

    Bender: Pretty annoying, huh Leela?

    Leela: (shouting) What? Are you talking? Oh God I'm deaf!

    Bender: Oops. I'm so so sorry Leela. I just wanted to annoy you.

    Leela: (shouting) What? Oh this is horrible. I won't be able to hear Fry's opera.

    Robot Devil: Ah how delightfully ironic .

    Bender: It's not ironic , it's just mean . Take this!

    [He blows the airhorn weakly.]

    Robot Devil: Ooh! Out of aerosol? Also ironic !

    Bender: Oh yeah? Well bite my shiny metal - [He points at where his crotchplate used to be. No ass left to bite.] (shouting) Oh nooo!

    ...

    Leela: (singing) Fry, you do not understand.
    I should have revealed I've been deafened by Bender,
    The shame,
    The shaaame,
    But I feared you'd stop writing this musical splendour,
    Deception's the curse of my whimsical gender,
    He gave me mechanical ears,
    Effective though just a bit garish,
    In return without shedding a tear I agreed that I'd give him my hand...

    Robot Devil: (singing) ...In marriage!

    Leela: What?

    Robot Devil: (singing) You'd give me your hand in marriage.

    Leela: ...(singing) That isn't what I meant, That isn't what I signed.

    [The Robot Devil takes the contract out of his chest cabinet.]

    Robot Devil: (singing) You should have checked the wording in the fine... [He makes the contract larger.] Print!

    Leela: (reading) I'll give you my hand...

    Leela and Robot Devil: (singing) ...In marriage.

    [In the audience Bender reads from a dictionary.]

    Bender: (singing) The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention, Now that is... "irony!"

  120. Win98 vs OSX by ^_^x · · Score: 1

    I'd second his comment. Win98SE CAN run stable and fast if you keep it meticulously trimmed. Being relatively simple and still related to MS-DOS, it's very easy for someone with DOS knowledge to keep it running well. I'd even go so far as to say that things are in logical and intuitive places, though that could just be the years of DOS use speaking...

    Admittedly, I only know one Mac user, but he's been using it since about OS 6/7. If you even mention OSX, he'll go into an angry tirade about all the functionality that's been removed (like InputSprockets) and the tremendous speed hit on anything below a G5. As far as he's concerned Apple, like Amiga "Was a great company... too bad they stopped making OSes. At least OS9 still works!"

    Personally, I find all versions of MacOS frustrating and counter-intuitive even beyond the crap I had to go through with various Linux distros over the years, so give me Win98SE over MacOS any day!

  121. PDA is best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no problems watching just about any movie on my Dell Axim.

    The screen size makes it reasonable to watch something in 320x240, even though the Axim x50v (as well as a number of other VGA handhelds) can do so in 640x480 (looks GREAT).

    It makes the perfect device to watch films, TV, or anything else for that matter while riding the train/bus. A laptop is too bulky, a cell phone is too small. A PDA is pocket-sized, can have a truly marvelous screen, scalable memory, and play many different formats of video stutter-free.

    So far, of the people I have had ask me what I was watching on the train tow ork, the *only* thing that turned people off was the weak storage volume. With iPods coming in at over 40GB, people think that a PDA is somehow ripping them off (even though the price for a PDA is much lower than an iPod, and it can do much more, better, and faster).

    Don't write the PDA as an entertainment device off quite yet. If people were more aware that a PDA can be used to watch movies/TV, listen to music, play games (not just a stupid Snake clone), surf the net, and even make phone calls for a price less than that of an iPod, there would be more people carrying them. The only problem I've seen so far revolves around the lack of storage capacity.

    Although I guess if you've got bad eyesight you wouldn't be interested in a PDA-as-entertaiment-device. Small details can only be seen by somebody with reasonable vision.

  122. Read As... by catdevnull · · Score: 1

    My Babelfish Translated Gates' comments as follows:

    Microsoft is going to fix it so that we're the only solution you can use. To lure the distributors into our web, we'll use the FUD of the DRM to cash in on closing the standards into something we control exclusively. We're trying to dominate everything instead of doing things well. We'll be glad to share our technology as long as it runs on Windows.

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    I might know what I'm talkin' about, but then again, this is Slashdot...
  123. Revise the monopoly laws - jail time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Revise the monopoly laws, and allow jail sentences for conviction.

  124. Future iPods Will Not Play Video By Themselves by geezusfreeek · · Score: 1

    Current iPods don't try playing music without headphones; the built-in speaker is far too small and crappy to satisfactorily handle it. Parallel to that, an iPod will never play a movie on its tiny screen; the built-in screen is far too small and crappy to satisfactorily handle it. Just like existing iPods require headphones to play music, a video iPod would require an external display of some sort to play movies. This is not a problem as movies on the go are rather pointless. You can't generally be on the go if you have to stare at a tiny screen. It would be great to just be able to enter a room with a TV and plug an iPod up to it. That is all the iPod needs to do as far as movies go. If you really care to watch a movie "on the go," then a third party screen which clips to your iPod or something should work for you.

  125. Forced Upgrades by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Ah, a wet dream of Bill's: Being able to force EVERYONE into upgrading at HIS whim.. An endless supply of profits, regardless of need, or quality..

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