Which is naturally worse for the phone company who wants you to buy whatever phone, keep it forever,
The carriers do not want you to keep your phone forever. They spend many billions of dollars making phones cheap because they want you using better phones that encourage more usage.
Atari and Commodore did not have the most advanced technology ever. What they had was inferior technology at better price points. That resulted in an amateur culture. You want to look at advanced technology back then, look at SGI.
I bought the first generation Mac in 1984. Apple was never a leader in openness, they were also moderates like today. They try and maximize the advantages and minimize the disadvantages of a vibrant application market. There really hasn't been any change.
An AC responded to me below with a clear explication. Apple uses a non standard charging system. The USB cable has 4 wires:
V = carried voltage D+/D- = data ground
The Apple authorized chargers send resistance down the D+/D- which lets the iPod, iPhone... know how much amperage it can pull from the source in an even way.
I think what it would look like is a H.264 player / pluggin that calls the Flash Plug in.
I.E -> Flash developer compiles the code to create a binary (included in Mozilla for XP) which then invokes the Flash Player. It registers itself as the H.264 pluggin.... I assume there is some work here, but we are getting close to the "trivial" level.
They also had little to offer. When h.264 silicon was being developed, all the free community had was a standard that was almost as good but required a floating-point unit to implement. If WebM were available in 2005, I bet things might have turned out differently.
I agree with you WebM moved too slowly and Apple moved like lightening. In 2008 it wasn't clear that Apple's video on silicon strategy would work. The iPhone could have been a failure.
I imagine it's possible to make a flash wrapper around h.264 video on the fly and feed that into FlashPlayer on XP.
Actually I can do you one better. Included in the examples of flash projects that Adobe distributes with their Flash developer kit is the source for creating an h.264 player written in Action script. It is freeware and already written / debugged by Adobe and probably understood by tens of thousands of developers who used it while learning to write code for the Flash player.
Getting that out of the way does open up some cognative room for talking about multiple in-browser standards. Mozilla should have done this in 2008 when Apple started pushing hard for h.264, and even that was years after guys like Cringely called the inevitable convergence on h.264.
I can understand Mozilla being opposed to both H.264 and Flash. At the time they believed the open source community would not allow themselves to have fallen this far behind on video playback for the web. They were wrong in their assessment of the future. I think they are admitting it now, and my guess is that they are back to where they were a decade ago just rushing to implement existing standards.
The market is basically: IE, Webkit and Firefox. In 2008 IE was 77% there were 16% and the no one else was hit 3%. They had a much heavier burdon. They don't have to carry the "non-IE" world on their shoulders as much.
I look at Europe with strong central governments and see tons of personal liberty, all things considered far more than we have in the USA. Western Europe refutes the fear mongering of the right. People in the US are by and large mostly not very free. They have to work long hours under conditions of corporate despotism and then their free time is restricted by a consumer culture that often doesn't meet their needs. It really isn't a very good way of life. As contrasted with Europe where people work a short work week with lots of vacation, with strong government / union protections against abuse. The companies that provide them services are quite often public so operate in the public interest, and private companies exist to add flavor and diversity.
But getting back to education. I do still have local school boards. But I don't see any reason different ethnicities need different curriculums. I'd like to see geography not play a role in things like head start, so I"d like the economic differences to matter less in education.
As for social.... there are going to need to be battles and compromises. It is going to be painful. And I might even support two school systems, one for the children of the secular / liberal, one for the children of the religious / conservative if those differences prove irreconciliable. I don't see what the states offer.
As for corruption. There are standard measures of corruption and every measure we have has the states as vastly more corrupt than the federal government.
back when apple and microsoft started, technology and computing specifically were about making money empowering the user
Back when Apple and Microsoft started they were selling hobbyist systems for people who wanted to own a computer mainly for fun. Those sorts of systems exist, if anything are much cheaper and much easier to get, and they are quite empowered. Computing in the meaningful sense was being done on mainframes and mini computers and those most certainly were locked down. They didn't empower anyone, users, primarily data entry personel, existed to feed data to the computer so that it could do simple repetitive work cheaply and quickly. People feeding in checks to an a computer that generated account statements are not "empowered" they are just working.
It wouldn't be till almost 1990 that the desktop PC became the dominant form of computing and that was an end user empowering moment. People went from dumb terminals to machines they could control. And almost immediately the massive disadvantages in terms of institutional chaos hit. Individuals in a company don't necessarily see how data is going to move throughout the enterprise and everyone "doing their own thing" turns out to be a terrible enterprise infrastructure. What typically happens with rogue computing, application support costs skyrocketed. So the dominant workplace operating system (Windows) started to move towards easy management / lockdown, the "managed desktop", which was more empowering than the dumb terminal had been and effectively more empowering than the unmanaged desktop was, because people could actually use it to achieve their goals. There never was a period of time where computing was about empowerment without control.
What's happening with Apple is that they are starting to offer something like a government for computing. Someone who can keep the bad guys out. It is a pretty weak government but general end users are so starved for any kind of central authority they are thrilled. End users may not understand the mechanism by which Apple is making their experience better. Most Americans understand that government is quite often a good thing. IOS devices aren't "baubles" they do everything for both the low power and high power user the more advanced devices do. What they don't offer is the anarchy that many/.ers like.
I would agree that doesn't mean they haven't been removed. What does mean they haven't been removed is that they are very much still in play and being used regularly. Further the situation is in general better than a generation ago, for libertarian type thinking.
The chip verifies the cable. By the time the power is in the battery it is too late. As for making "better" battery choices the battery in the iPhone is far more expensive type. That's one of the reasons Apple has better power.
I'm going to stop. I think the point is proven about why you don't want to use generic cables. Now you are just throwing up objections rather than simply saying "yeah Apple knows what they doing".
Wonder what happens if you eliminate the need for a chip and just use a USB cable?
The very sensitive and very expensive high end battery gets destroyed with a generic USB cable. That's what happens. The battery requires very specific regulated voltages.
You aren't looking careful. The Palm has a plastic shield and and rounding at the front, plus a stylus interface. The Blackberry is designed to smoothly fit the hand, not be a pure rectangle.
This sort of look and feel patent isn't unusual. You are objecting to US law, and I agree, not Apple.
What do you think the Android makers should do, make triangular screens? WTF?
They could have used any shape. Consider how much different the iPhone was from the Blackberry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blackberry-Bold-9650-Verizon.jpg )or the Palm (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Palm_TX.JPG/800px-Palm_TX.JPG), the sidekick (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Color_sidekick.jpg ) in terms of interface, look and feel. Or even the original Android phone (http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/techchron/2008/09/23/Google_Phone_NYML208499x450.JPG )
And yes non rectangular is possible, NEC makes non rectangular screens.
Maybe the court will agree there is no choice and find for Samsung. But... I think the images above prove it ain't that simple.
We don't have to ask that question about Nintendo. There are cheap $3-5 cables made in china with pirated chips. And there are tens of thousands of broken iPhones as a result of them.
I don't know what the license fee is on the iPhone but on their computers it is $4 for a basic charger plus chip. Apple isn't making a ton of money in license fees, they are covering their certification expenses. I think you need to stop looking for conspiracies and maybe consider that Apple does what it claims, protects people from low end hardware.
Firefox is going to hand H264 off to the OS. So it will be compiled in but it will either be an optional dependency where it just doesn't work if you don't install (or the distribution doesn't install for you) the pluggin that ties your version of Linux to the h.264 handler.
Now the distributions of course won't incluse a h.264 handler in their default repository....
Apple isn't protecting you from Linux, they are protecting you from buggy hardware. How does your phone know that the cable was perfectly good and safe? You don't even know that. The fact it worked for another phone doesn't prove that the iPhone would have handled the tolerances.
I own iPhones so I own chargers for home, chargers for laptops, chargers in my car all Apple certified. If you need a charger at work, keep a charger at work.
But the issue is simple. Apple is not going to let you shoot yourself in the foot. What you were doing is precisely what Apple is trying to prevent you from doing, using power without understanding the issues. Like I said there are bypasses for people who know their way around but they want to keep the "a little bit of knowledge" people from shooting themselves in the foot.
You're probably a paid shill, that's fine, you keep playing the bitch defending your abusive master, I'll keep charging my Android phone in any convenient USB port, even ones on cable boxes and the like if I need.
Look at my member number. I've been a paid shill for 12 years?
Maybe "troll" isn't the right word, but I don't know what is. The fact is that they're suing people left and right not over rightfully patentable ideas, but bullshit like the shape of the iPad. That's not a real invention or innovation.
I would agree that basic design shouldn't be patentable. Congress and the patent office have made it patentable. As such you can't imitate Apple's aesthetic and not get sued. That being said "troll" implies they themselves didn't invent it, and everyone agrees they created the look and feel. There is no reason Androids shouldn't be much much different. Why a rectangle with smooth corners and not one of a thousand other shapes?
iPhones are like 15% of the US population, and now available for free. They suck as a status symbol. Give me a high end suit or a $10,000 watch any day for a status symbol. I can send that message with any mail client as well.
First off for the weight, size and complexity the Apple is one of the least breakable tablets. You are paying for low weight. The sorts of materials you are asking for, don't exist. Second, one of the main reasons it isn't user serviceable is that Apple can glue everything together and make it more durable for its weight. Lots of high end things have been fragile for generations see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_ceramicshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewelleryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_glass
I don't think it matters too much. If we are going to have to lose something at the federal level... That being said, I didn't say it doesn't do much. I consider school lunches important but that could be run out of the Agriculture.
But my preference would be to expand it, getting rid of the state education departments, have it directly regulate local, give it massive funding and have a European style education system.
I understand your reasons and I think you agree they aren't the sorts of reasons to sway tens of millions.
A few comments:
d) With the developer SDK you can put any app you want on. That being said, software diversity doesn't appear to be something customers by the tens of millions express much interest in.
(e-f) iPhone is designed to work with iTunes or iCloud. That's the product. You can mount the drive but you really want to use an application (and there are plenty of others) unless you know what you are doing. The file system on iOS is not designed to be user accessible and there are complex non obvious connections. I will agree that iOS is power user unfriendly.
h) What gender has to do with that one is again tens of millions. Men (in huge numbers) care more about phone size since their wear it on their waist. Women (in huge numbers) because they carry it in a purse aren't as concerned. I'm BTW a man who would like a bigger screen as well. There just aren't ten million of us so no one cares.
i) Agreed on Apple patent enforcing, possibly too aggressively. I don't think it is fair to call them a patent troll. They do really do R&D and they don't buy up other's patents.
I don't think CPU costs were the major factor. Certainly it hurt somewhat. But there were other problems
IBM clones were using IDE data standards and very cheap drives. Apples were using SCSI and expensive drives (i.e. almost server class drives). The cost per megabyte including card was something like 5-10x as high. That's why I mentioned Western Digital.
The big issue was markup. Clones were 10-30% margin vs. approaching 50% hardware margin for Apple.
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Which is naturally worse for the phone company who wants you to buy whatever phone, keep it forever,
The carriers do not want you to keep your phone forever. They spend many billions of dollars making phones cheap because they want you using better phones that encourage more usage.
Atari and Commodore did not have the most advanced technology ever. What they had was inferior technology at better price points. That resulted in an amateur culture. You want to look at advanced technology back then, look at SGI.
I bought the first generation Mac in 1984. Apple was never a leader in openness, they were also moderates like today. They try and maximize the advantages and minimize the disadvantages of a vibrant application market. There really hasn't been any change.
In 2011 Google's advertising revenue was $38b, growing at a 29% annual rate. They are very good at selling advertising.
An AC responded to me below with a clear explication. Apple uses a non standard charging system. The USB cable has 4 wires:
V = carried voltage
D+/D- = data
ground
The Apple authorized chargers send resistance down the D+/D- which lets the iPod, iPhone... know how much amperage it can pull from the source in an even way.
So yes it is doing something non standard.
Wow terrific video! Thank you for jumping in with a good explication of the D+/D- thing.
I think what it would look like is a H.264 player / pluggin that calls the Flash Plug in.
I.E -> Flash developer compiles the code to create a binary (included in Mozilla for XP) which then invokes the Flash Player. It registers itself as the H.264 pluggin.... I assume there is some work here, but we are getting close to the "trivial" level.
They also had little to offer. When h.264 silicon was being developed, all the free community had was a standard that was almost as good but required a floating-point unit to implement. If WebM were available in 2005, I bet things might have turned out differently.
I agree with you WebM moved too slowly and Apple moved like lightening. In 2008 it wasn't clear that Apple's video on silicon strategy would work. The iPhone could have been a failure.
I imagine it's possible to make a flash wrapper around h.264 video on the fly and feed that into FlashPlayer on XP.
Actually I can do you one better. Included in the examples of flash projects that Adobe distributes with their Flash developer kit is the source for creating an h.264 player written in Action script. It is freeware and already written / debugged by Adobe and probably understood by tens of thousands of developers who used it while learning to write code for the Flash player.
Getting that out of the way does open up some cognative room for talking about multiple in-browser standards. Mozilla should have done this in 2008 when Apple started pushing hard for h.264, and even that was years after guys like Cringely called the inevitable convergence on h.264.
I can understand Mozilla being opposed to both H.264 and Flash. At the time they believed the open source community would not allow themselves to have fallen this far behind on video playback for the web. They were wrong in their assessment of the future. I think they are admitting it now, and my guess is that they are back to where they were a decade ago just rushing to implement existing standards.
The market is basically: IE, Webkit and Firefox. In 2008 IE was 77% there were 16% and the no one else was hit 3%. They had a much heavier burdon. They don't have to carry the "non-IE" world on their shoulders as much.
I look at Europe with strong central governments and see tons of personal liberty, all things considered far more than we have in the USA. Western Europe refutes the fear mongering of the right. People in the US are by and large mostly not very free. They have to work long hours under conditions of corporate despotism and then their free time is restricted by a consumer culture that often doesn't meet their needs. It really isn't a very good way of life. As contrasted with Europe where people work a short work week with lots of vacation, with strong government / union protections against abuse. The companies that provide them services are quite often public so operate in the public interest, and private companies exist to add flavor and diversity.
But getting back to education. I do still have local school boards. But I don't see any reason different ethnicities need different curriculums. I'd like to see geography not play a role in things like head start, so I"d like the economic differences to matter less in education.
As for social.... there are going to need to be battles and compromises. It is going to be painful. And I might even support two school systems, one for the children of the secular / liberal, one for the children of the religious / conservative if those differences prove irreconciliable. I don't see what the states offer.
As for corruption. There are standard measures of corruption and every measure we have has the states as vastly more corrupt than the federal government.
back when apple and microsoft started, technology and computing specifically were about making money empowering the user
Back when Apple and Microsoft started they were selling hobbyist systems for people who wanted to own a computer mainly for fun. Those sorts of systems exist, if anything are much cheaper and much easier to get, and they are quite empowered. Computing in the meaningful sense was being done on mainframes and mini computers and those most certainly were locked down. They didn't empower anyone, users, primarily data entry personel, existed to feed data to the computer so that it could do simple repetitive work cheaply and quickly. People feeding in checks to an a computer that generated account statements are not "empowered" they are just working.
It wouldn't be till almost 1990 that the desktop PC became the dominant form of computing and that was an end user empowering moment. People went from dumb terminals to machines they could control. And almost immediately the massive disadvantages in terms of institutional chaos hit. Individuals in a company don't necessarily see how data is going to move throughout the enterprise and everyone "doing their own thing" turns out to be a terrible enterprise infrastructure. What typically happens with rogue computing, application support costs skyrocketed. So the dominant workplace operating system (Windows) started to move towards easy management / lockdown, the "managed desktop", which was more empowering than the dumb terminal had been and effectively more empowering than the unmanaged desktop was, because people could actually use it to achieve their goals. There never was a period of time where computing was about empowerment without control.
What's happening with Apple is that they are starting to offer something like a government for computing. Someone who can keep the bad guys out. It is a pretty weak government but general end users are so starved for any kind of central authority they are thrilled. End users may not understand the mechanism by which Apple is making their experience better. Most Americans understand that government is quite often a good thing. IOS devices aren't "baubles" they do everything for both the low power and high power user the more advanced devices do. What they don't offer is the anarchy that many /.ers like.
I would agree that doesn't mean they haven't been removed. What does mean they haven't been removed is that they are very much still in play and being used regularly. Further the situation is in general better than a generation ago, for libertarian type thinking.
The chip verifies the cable. By the time the power is in the battery it is too late. As for making "better" battery choices the battery in the iPhone is far more expensive type. That's one of the reasons Apple has better power.
I'm going to stop. I think the point is proven about why you don't want to use generic cables. Now you are just throwing up objections rather than simply saying "yeah Apple knows what they doing".
Wonder what happens if you eliminate the need for a chip and just use a USB cable?
The very sensitive and very expensive high end battery gets destroyed with a generic USB cable. That's what happens. The battery requires very specific regulated voltages.
You aren't looking careful. The Palm has a plastic shield and and rounding at the front, plus a stylus interface. The Blackberry is designed to smoothly fit the hand, not be a pure rectangle.
This sort of look and feel patent isn't unusual. You are objecting to US law, and I agree, not Apple.
What do you think the Android makers should do, make triangular screens? WTF?
They could have used any shape. Consider how much different the iPhone was from the Blackberry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blackberry-Bold-9650-Verizon.jpg )or the Palm (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Palm_TX.JPG/800px-Palm_TX.JPG), the sidekick (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Color_sidekick.jpg ) in terms of interface, look and feel. Or even the original Android phone (http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/techchron/2008/09/23/Google_Phone_NYML208499x450.JPG )
And yes non rectangular is possible, NEC makes non rectangular screens.
Maybe the court will agree there is no choice and find for Samsung. But... I think the images above prove it ain't that simple.
We don't have to ask that question about Nintendo. There are cheap $3-5 cables made in china with pirated chips. And there are tens of thousands of broken iPhones as a result of them.
I don't know what the license fee is on the iPhone but on their computers it is $4 for a basic charger plus chip. Apple isn't making a ton of money in license fees, they are covering their certification expenses. I think you need to stop looking for conspiracies and maybe consider that Apple does what it claims, protects people from low end hardware.
Firefox is going to hand H264 off to the OS. So it will be compiled in but it will either be an optional dependency where it just doesn't work if you don't install (or the distribution doesn't install for you) the pluggin that ties your version of Linux to the h.264 handler.
Now the distributions of course won't incluse a h.264 handler in their default repository....
Apple isn't protecting you from Linux, they are protecting you from buggy hardware. How does your phone know that the cable was perfectly good and safe? You don't even know that. The fact it worked for another phone doesn't prove that the iPhone would have handled the tolerances.
I own iPhones so I own chargers for home, chargers for laptops, chargers in my car all Apple certified. If you need a charger at work, keep a charger at work.
But the issue is simple. Apple is not going to let you shoot yourself in the foot. What you were doing is precisely what Apple is trying to prevent you from doing, using power without understanding the issues. Like I said there are bypasses for people who know their way around but they want to keep the "a little bit of knowledge" people from shooting themselves in the foot.
You're probably a paid shill, that's fine, you keep playing the bitch defending your abusive master, I'll keep charging my Android phone in any convenient USB port, even ones on cable boxes and the like if I need.
Look at my member number. I've been a paid shill for 12 years?
Maybe "troll" isn't the right word, but I don't know what is. The fact is that they're suing people left and right not over rightfully patentable ideas, but bullshit like the shape of the iPad. That's not a real invention or innovation.
I would agree that basic design shouldn't be patentable. Congress and the patent office have made it patentable. As such you can't imitate Apple's aesthetic and not get sued. That being said "troll" implies they themselves didn't invent it, and everyone agrees they created the look and feel. There is no reason Androids shouldn't be much much different. Why a rectangle with smooth corners and not one of a thousand other shapes?
iPhones are like 15% of the US population, and now available for free. They suck as a status symbol. Give me a high end suit or a $10,000 watch any day for a status symbol. I can send that message with any mail client as well.
First off for the weight, size and complexity the Apple is one of the least breakable tablets. You are paying for low weight. The sorts of materials you are asking for, don't exist. Second, one of the main reasons it isn't user serviceable is that Apple can glue everything together and make it more durable for its weight. Lots of high end things have been fragile for generations see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_ceramics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewellery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_glass
So what is the problem with making an extension for XP which does H.264? Or just having XP do the flash original?
I don't think it matters too much. If we are going to have to lose something at the federal level... That being said, I didn't say it doesn't do much. I consider school lunches important but that could be run out of the Agriculture.
But my preference would be to expand it, getting rid of the state education departments, have it directly regulate local, give it massive funding and have a European style education system.
I understand your reasons and I think you agree they aren't the sorts of reasons to sway tens of millions.
A few comments:
d) With the developer SDK you can put any app you want on. That being said, software diversity doesn't appear to be something customers by the tens of millions express much interest in.
(e-f) iPhone is designed to work with iTunes or iCloud. That's the product. You can mount the drive but you really want to use an application (and there are plenty of others) unless you know what you are doing. The file system on iOS is not designed to be user accessible and there are complex non obvious connections. I will agree that iOS is power user unfriendly.
g) Actually you can get them for free: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone/iphone3gs
h) What gender has to do with that one is again tens of millions. Men (in huge numbers) care more about phone size since their wear it on their waist. Women (in huge numbers) because they carry it in a purse aren't as concerned. I'm BTW a man who would like a bigger screen as well. There just aren't ten million of us so no one cares.
i) Agreed on Apple patent enforcing, possibly too aggressively. I don't think it is fair to call them a patent troll. They do really do R&D and they don't buy up other's patents.
j) Actually you can buy travel batteries for iPhone. For example: http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-K39264US-Travel-Battery-Charger/dp/B003XU5YSM
As for memory you can get up to 64g, that's a lot for a phone. As for external storage, iCloud provides that.
k) Me thinks you are just a bit hostile. They have excellent customer satisfaction numbers and the stores rate high.
I don't think CPU costs were the major factor. Certainly it hurt somewhat. But there were other problems
IBM clones were using IDE data standards and very cheap drives. Apples were using SCSI and expensive drives (i.e. almost server class drives). The cost per megabyte including card was something like 5-10x as high. That's why I mentioned Western Digital.
The big issue was markup. Clones were 10-30% margin vs. approaching 50% hardware margin for Apple.