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Sprint CEO Defends Company's Decision To Bet It All On the iPhone
zacharye writes "Sprint chief executive Dan Hesse is being watched closely by the company's board of directors, but the CEO has to answer to investors and subscribers as well. Last year in October, Hesse revealed that the company is placing a massive $15.5 billion bet on Apple's iPhone, and in a recent interview, Hesse defended the move, which has been criticized by a number of industry watchers. From the article: '“Subsidies are heavy for the iPhone. This is the reason why a high percentage of new customers is important,” Hesse said during the interview. “But iPhone customers have a lower level of churn and they actually use less data on average than a high-end 4G Android device. So from a cost point of view and a customer lifetime value perspective, they’re more profitable than the average smartphone customer.”'"
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They pay more and use less? What a shocker! Who would have thought?
They are also more attractive and have great personalities
So it has come to this.
Soon as my contract is up I'm going back to a flip phone. Had an iPhone since they first came out, bought the 3gs, bought the 4, smart enough to realize the 4s was just more of the same, but with even more useless junk (Siri). Haven't touch my iPad in 2 weeks. It's too much and I've been working in tech since the early 90s, all I want now is simplicity.
An apple fanboi getting butt hurt at even the slightest criticism.Who would have thought?
Can he defend their WiMax flub? Can he defend contracting with a company that has a non-existant LTE solution?
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"No one ever got fired for buying Apple." It's a brave new world isn't it?
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"No one ever got fired for buying Apple." It's a brave new world isn't it?
If it fails, he will.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
The SprintUsers site had an interesting commentary regarding a recent WSJ article on Hesse:
http://www.sprintusers.com/could-hesse-lose-his-job
Today’s Wall Street Journal has a rare, insider-rich piece targeting Hesse. A betting man would say his own board of directors had a lot to do with the story. No, no one on the board is quoted directly. But the picture the WSJ paints is certainly a flattering one of an engaged, hands-on board. They are served well by this story.
You don’t see this sort of knifing when an exec is secure in his job. It usually means board members are trying to distance themselves from a CEO’s plans gone wrong so they don’t get personally sued by shareholders. Or they’re getting ready to fire him.
Just last month, Sprint made an abortive attempt at a merger with MetroPCS, which was championed by Hesse but ultimately shot-down by the board. I have a feeling the company is going to experience a coup d'etat any day now. Well, whatever -- as long as my legacy SERO plan keeps working.
Ignore everything he says to justify iPhone on Sprint, what Sprint really wants is to get in on the Apple party.
As a Sprint customer with an Android 4G phone (but no 4G service in my area, and I pay $10/month for it), I really would rather that they spend that pile of money on building out their network. Sure, they're going to roll out LTE over the next couple years, but my phone isn't LTE. Dammit. And my city will be among the last to get Sprint LTE.
In the one corner Apple, in the other such winners as HTC, Motorolla, Nokia and Sony Ericsson. CEO's always get fired if they back the wrong horse, but he picked the one with the right odds.
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I recently canceled Sprint and paid the ETF to do so. That's after having Sprint for nearly 10 years. I got an iPhone 4S with Straight Talk ( MVNO that uses AT&T's network). Why? Because I wanted a data service that works. With Sprint, I was frequently on 1X. Even when I was on 3G, the speeds were crap. Sprint bit off more than they can chew with the iPhone. WiMax was a bust. Nextel customers are leaving in droves and their Network Vision plan may well be the final nail in the coffin.
Wow, that's kind of depressing. I don't own a smartphone, but I work on them, and the world is a better place when there are more platforms to choose from. This is why I also hope the Blackberry Playbook survives too.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I bought my 4G phone almost 2 years ago and have yet to see any 4G service. Yet all the other carries seem to have it...
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If you wany an apples to apples comparison, you should, at the very least, compare mobile web traffic from iOS to mobile web traffic from high-end 4G Android device - which is what the CEO was talking. And no one seems to ever announce this sort of data.
Stop with the fanboism. Seriously.
Totally forgot about RIM, but then who hasn't ;-)
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A contrived negative Apple comment. Who would have thought?
Dude, the GP just defined Apple's entire business model. Seriously, that's it in a nutshell.
Furthermore, like it or not, Apple is deserving of much approbation, far more than they get on this site.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
He's a fucking idiot.
Same as others have already posted long time sprint user paid the early termination fee. Tired of waiting for them to get their act together. Bad decisions constantly....... Never using the money to upgrade their network properly. Funny thing is he talks about 4g that most people can't get on sprint and the iPhone isn't even 4g so its a bad comparison shows he is a fool. Get out while you can its a sinking ship...
Actually, you'll find that the stock Android experience is a. more popular among most users than the likes of Sense and Touchwiz, and b. is becoming more available as carriers are starting to pick up on that. Not to mention that replacing the entire GUI in Android is trivial: go to the Market (pardon me, "Play Store") and pick any one of a dozen or more different user interfaces. Most of them are free, and several simply blow away the stock interface (my Android phone has six different GUIs available at a touch.) You have exactly ONE: the one that Apple gives you. I hope you like it, because that's all you'll ever have.
... but why would you want to?" Never fails.
So far as I'm concerned, that makes you the one stuck with the "crap device", one that is deliberately and with malice aforethought severely limited in scope. You are an Apple user, so I don't expect you to be able to remotely comprehend that, but there it is. You know, in the world of desktop operating systems most people are very open to the idea of choice, of being able to choose from a variety of options. Put an iPhone or Mac in their hands, and suddenly "there can be only one." If that's not a tribute to the power of marketing and general gullibility I don't know what is, but it's entertaining at least. To my fellow Android users, here's something you can try: point out to one of your iPhone-using friends something that Android does better (and there are many.) Watch their eyes bulge as they try to find a way to dispute your claims. Then laugh when they finally come back with, "Okay, so fine it does that
Your problem, as with most iUsers, is that you just don't grasp that there is an entire spectrum of Android devices out there, from crap to awesome, rather than just the few models of iPhone with which you are comfortable. You want to make simple, easy comparisons but you just can't do that. All cars are not Lamborghinis you know, and all Android phones are not top-of-the line. From my perspective, that's a good thing because unlike you, I get to pick the features and functions that I want, not what Apple thinks I want.
In any event, because there are so many different Android devices available, you simply cannot make sweeping statements about them without coming off as something of an idiot, as Dr. House would no doubt say if he were here right now.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Interpretation or your comment.
Apple controls exactly what you can do with your phone, what services and features you can have, and what carriers you can use. If you don't like it, or what something different, too bad. Android gives users wide range of options and you are free to choose a carrier, a phone, a plan, and a chose of "app stores" that meets your specific needs.
A person only uses one phone at a time, I don't care that all of the other ones are different or have different hardware and capabilities or there are many other manufactures that make them for other people. That does not affect me or my phone that is in my hand or degrade or change how my current phone operates. If I have a Samsung and HTC comes out with a different phone, why would that suddenly make a difference to me? Does my Samsung stop working? Does it lose the functionality it had when I researched it and bought it? Does the software the carrier puts on the new HTC phone change my phone too? Please enlighten me.
I love it when some suit mouths off to customers about how profitable they are. guys - you're great... for my wallet!
I wonder how much Sprint makes selling the customer list - after all, someone who chokes down Apple's margins is likely to buy other stuff that's well-marketed.
and how poorly their service works in some places Sprint truly is planning to be the next AT&T.
Seriously, WiMax coverage seems to work specifically in upscale neighborhoods and dense metro areas with practically none outside of there. Heck, I live in a reasonably nice area, but WiMax stops right at NASA Parkway and doesn't go much South of there. Up North it works in the main parts of Kingwood, but not the outskirts.
Their 3G coverage is similarly sparse. The fact I actually saw a Sprint store in Baton Rouge surprised me as claiming to have 3G coverage in the Baton Rouge metro is stretching the truth a bit, Galveston is right on par with Baton Rouge. If you so much as leave 3G on when you're in Galveston or most of Louisiana your battery will pay a steep price for it.
I love my Evo, Sprint 3G works great in most places I spend my time, save Louisiana and Galveston, but they're going to piss a lot of Hipsters off if they don't really step up their service before they start selling this phone.
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It's pretty funny that the one* UI available on iPhone is leaps and bounds better than anything I've ever seen on Android. Every dialog box is well thought out, no default "ok, cancel" buttons which both do the same thing as is seen on Android. No horrendously ugly, black, high-contrast UI theme. No retarded back button that rarely works as expected and causes you to move away from the focused UI element to simply go "back". The touch response is far better, smoothly figuring out if you are clicking or dragging, not jerky with a 1/4 in of movement required to make the same determination. It has better GPU and CPU performance than any other mobile, even at a slower clock speed, requires less RAM and has better battery life. Oh yeah, and it isn't riddled with spyware.
Give up on your fucking OMG APPLE IS DA SUXOR mentality already. You are supporting the largest spyware company in the world for some stupid anti-apple agenda.
* There are many others available after jailbreaking, so your point is patently false and ignorant.
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It's pretty funny that the one* UI available on iPhone is leaps and bounds better than anything I've ever seen on Android.
Widgets on the homescreen?
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My data cap is higher than 2GB, not sure what it is (might actually be unlimited, Verizion is nicer to business customer and my employer pays for the phone). However I don't use much, 1-2GB at most for most months since I prefer computers for my web surfing.
However when I do use it, the LTE load times are really nice. Stuff loads FAST. So when I'm in a store and I need a price check on something, I can get it in a hurry, I'm not waiting around forever for pages to load, even when they are non-mobile pages.
Not saying data caps don't need to be raised, but more speed is nice.
Hell same thing at work, I've got a gigabit connection to my computer and there is sufficient backhaul that 100-300mbps transfers aren't uncommon, sometimes more depending on the place. I can't use that all the time, I share with lots of other people. If I tried to torrent all day long I'd get a call from NetOps in a hurry, and get fired if I didn't stop. However when I need something, like an OS ISO (torrent if Linux, the VLSC if Microsoft) I can have it done in minutes. The higher speed is very nice, even though I can't slam it all the time.
That's one of the reason companies like Apple users: They tend to have more money than sense. Ok maybe that's unfair, but there are a lot of them who are in to being trendy, and are willing to spend a premium on that. That's why they buy Apple products. Apple is cool right now, as cool as it gets, and they'll spend the premium to have that.
That is a wonderful market to sell to. You don't want a bunch of miserly customers who want to nickle and dime everything and spend as little as they can. My parents had that bad when they ran a quilt shop. Not a high margin business anyhow and most customers would only buy if it was a deal. No, much better to have people who will just spend on anything that is cool or that they think they might want, and then not really use it. WAY more profitable.
Not saying it isn't kinda mean, but it is reality.
Yeah, and to root the android phone you depend on an unpatched security vulnerability. Not a problem because its Linux, but hey, you'd think eventually the developers will stop introducing security bugs in the code in every single release.
iPhone users use less data on average because many of them don't even need a data plan. But they must pay for one. A "high-end 4G Android device", on the other hand, is more likely to be chosen by the spec-optimizing, lives-on-the-internet, gonna-use-everything-I-paid for geek crowd.
They earn a lot though, eh?
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Hey where is Samsung, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-05/samsung-profit-beat-estimates-as-galaxy-phones-lure-consumers-from-apple.html , Huawei http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-17/huawei-technologies-profit-rises-30-led-by-higher-international-sales.html or Google on your list http://investor.google.com/financial/tables.html . All of these companies have profits growing between 20 and 30%.
I left sprint because they had no decent phones. I ended up going to AT&T for an iPhone but I was looking at Palm and Windows devices at the time. Sprint customer service was rude and they didn't seem to care to keep us. We're were planning on doing a big upgrade on our plans too.
Getting decent phones was a problem for them a few years ago. Their customer service was worse and if you didn't live in the right area the network was also a problem. I happened to live in a good sprint zone. Making a deal to get better phones was a good idea, but they should have started with customer service training and wanting to retain customers or it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter the deal was with Apple. It could have been samsung for an android line or something else. They badly need phones that people want. (diversity matters)
At this point, I've been with Sprint, AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile. They all suck and for different reasons.
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Not sure about anyone else but they will be loosing me as a customer.
Sprint just raised prices mid-contract (only $5/mo but it could have been $1000 from the terms of the contract). When I called to get clarification they pointed me to the clause in the contract that says this: "We may change any part of the Agreement at any time, including, but not limited to, rates, charges, how we calculate charges, discounts, coverage, technologies used to provide services, or your terms of Service." They then will give you 30 days from the time of first notice (which is made on page 4 of the bill 30 days before the price is raised so by the time you see the price change you are already passed the 30 days) to drop Sprint if you wish. Of course that means sending back the $200 phone I paid for and getting nothing in return (no return charge and no phone). Basically this says is I am stuck with the agreement but really get nothing from it. They can change the price, length of contract, anything at any time and if I make changes then I get an early termination fee.
The long and short is I am stuck with Sprint but will be moving away from them upon contract end and will never go back. I don't like to do business with companies that operate like this. I read the contract before but somehow must have missed this gem of a clause. I won't make that mistake again. It may be just me but any company that would ask the customers to sign something like this is no company I want to be doing business with. For the customer you are basically agreeing to pay an unknown amount if you quite (they can change that too you know) for an unknown amount of time at an unknown price. The simple fact that they have not raised you monthly rate to $1000/month and extended you term to 10 years with a $5000 ETF does not mean they legally can not. To sign something like this is simply foolish IMO. A mistake I do not intend to repeat.
The fact that this price raise might be to cover new iphone subsidies just adds insult to injury. Next time I will buy my phone outright and use only prepaid services. The terms of service for all carriers are much too long to even bother with. Just another way that U.S. business is at a disadvantage compared to many other countries.
All software has bugs. All software will have bugs going into the future until the end of time. It's impossible to eliminate this fact from the universe.
iOS devices have been jailbroken, including the brand new iPad3. That's the result of a bug in the software. These are security bugs, which could in theory be used to load malware, but is usually used to jailbreak devices for the benefit of the user. Pot, meet kettle.
I had a plain old cell phone for years on Sprint, and never liked the phoney "regulatory recapture" fees. Nor did I want to start paying $100 a month just to have a smartphone. Their network, in places I tend to be, is good though. So I dropped Sprint and went to Ting, where you pay for your phone up front (no subsidy), but then for voice/text/data pay by actual usage, with nothing extra for the WiMAX flavor of 4G, or for using the phone as a wi-fi hub to tether other devices. Since I'm not a huge mobile data user (plenty of free wi-fi around usually) I don't text, and don't love talking on the phone, it looks like for about what I was paying just for the old cell phone I now have the wi-fi hub feature, plus something the kid can play Angry Birds on.
Ting doesn't have iPhones - not that I'd want one. But it's phones are better than most low-cost providers'. And I have no idea if they'll be able to follow Sprint into LTE, or remain stuck in WiMAX. But the other low-cost providers are stuck in 3G, so WiMAX is a nice advantage for now.
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Actually, you'll find that the stock Android experience is a. more popular among most users than the likes of Sense and Touchwiz
Really? My phone came with Sense and the first thing I did was replace it with Cyanogen Mod. The second thing I did was cringe at how much worse the UI got and revert to the firmware it came with...
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They should have given more love and better advertising to the Pre. I moved from ATT to Sprint just to get one. And at the time, I would never have even known it existed had a friend not told me about it.
Also,
Sprint is the only carrier I know of that charges per minute to forward calls. When at home, I used to forward to my vonage line so people could get in touch with me. That was a wakeup on the first bill from sprint!
What I don't get is why iFanbois have such a hard time accepting a HELL of a lot of their buzz is branding and marketing. Not saying they don't build good products, because they do, but while Air Jordan is a nice shoe it ain't the leather that causes fistfights on release day, its the brand. Hell be happy, your favorite company has a brand like Prada and Porsche that people will pay assraping prices for that half eaten Apple logo.
Jobs spent most of his life devoted to building that brand into one of the most recognizable on the planet, right up there with Coca Cola and Disney so just accept it, okay? I mean you don't see Ferrari owners going "Waah but its a good value for the money waah!" because guess what? its not. Its a bad ass uberpowerful exotic which you are damned well gonna pay for that power and just because the telecos are willing to eat billions in subsidies in the hopes of using an Apple device to lock customers into multiyear contracts so that Joe the plumber can have an iPhone doesn't magically make them priced for the masses, it just means the cost of the actual device is hidden.
but in the end it all comes down to branding and I sincerely doubt you'd see the lines or selling out you see with something like the iPad if it weren't for every celeb on the planet being seen with one. Apple is "hip" and "cool" and "THE" thing to have so people want one. Jobs spent years building that up and to just ignore it ignores the man's life's work. Is that REALLY what you want to do? To belittle what was arguably one of the best marketing men in history? Give the man the credit he is due folks, by the time the man checked out his company was the most wealthy on the planet and his products went from being at death's door and looked down upon when he came back to being THE elite brand and the man was able to do that in less than a decade. give the guy his props.
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Google's revenue isn't from mobile directly. Samsung refuse to release numbers so smartphones may not be responsible for their rise in profits, it may be all those components they are selling to Apple (like the new iPad retina screen.) The Chinese are doing quite well on the low end but that's not good news for the smartphone industry because it means the rest of them are caught in the squeeze between the Chinese on one end and Apple on the other. On the whole, if you're not Apple, the market is pretty crummy right now.
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You have some points, but, at the end of the day, it comes down to performance. For me, anyway.
I'm the kind of guy who is fine riding around on an old, rusty 10-speed, instead of a tricked out high-end carbon-fiber bike. I also don't indulge in expensive riding apparel; I have proper cycling shoes - energy transfer benefit - but a shirt is pretty much a shirt. I drive a modest car instead of a high-end Audi, Beemer, Mercedes, etc. I have a modest house rather than a McMansion.
My laptop is a MacBook Pro - but not the 17"-er. I don't even consider it "indulging," either. This machine and the OS combined provide me the best experience and environment for doing my thing, whatever that is at the moment: video production; writing code; mixing music tracks; surfing the web; managing projects; writing documentation; email; etc. It does exactly what I want in almost all cases, and the frustration level is near 0.
I manage and have daily access to Solaris boxes, Linux boxes, Windows servers, etc. But for my daily use, it's a Mac.
If there was nothing useful behind the "shiny," Apple wouldn't last long.
Funny, I have a "High end Android device" and I have yet to see a 4G signal anywhere in Detroit. Sensorly tells me there are other 4G signals around me. Hell even Metro PCS has a 4G signal.
I guess Sprint's idea is to sell you fancy devices along with a monthly surcharge while not actually having to provide the service. Even their 3G signal is weak in most areas of Detroit.
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>>Next time I will buy my phone outright and use only prepaid services.
Good luck finding this in the US. I sure couldn't - not with data anyway.
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the way I look at it you're a fool if you repeatedly spend hundreds of dollars on ay device (or anything else, for that matter) that doesn't deliver or live up to the user's expectations. too many ipods, iphones and ipads have been sold to say that idevices are for fanboys only - because RATIONAL people don't continually pay hundreds of dollars for a shit product.
"your favorite company has a brand like Prada and Porsche that people will pay assraping prices for that half eaten Apple logo" -
ASSRAPE is the $500 bucks early adopters plunked down for the TouchPad, only to see an 80% discount within WEEKS of launch. Motorola, RIM, HP, Samsung - all have tablets (in the 9" plus range) that startED at the same price (or within $100 bucks) of an ipad3. Newegg lists a new 16GB transformer prime (no keyboard) for $399 - the same as a new, wifi only, ipad2. I don't see where assrape pricing comes in to play. Given the paltry sales figures for all of the other tablets, the MARKET (not fanboys) has spoken: price/value is not there - even after the ~$100 price drop on most of those lines.
I would say the percentage of people buying their second/third/fourth iphone/ipad/ipod/mac did so because they were satisfied with their purchase the first time. those who keep giving money to Apple because they ENJOY assrape are an insignificant minority. THIS SIMPLY DOESN'T HAPPEN: "I hated my first idevice, but I'm going to get up at the crack of ass so I can be first in line for the next one"
I don't think you can use branding to describe the reason for increased sales (units sold) year over year because the branding was there the first year; that half eaten piece of fruit was on the back from DAY ONE. the brand didn't change - yet the facts remain: ipod IS the PMP market, iphone 4 sold more than the previous phones combined.. ipad (so far), is on an ipod trajectory. Most of the people I know who use an idevice of some kind do not own macs. They are, by definition, not fanboys and dont drink the branding kool-aid.
so how DO you explain increased unit sales?
1) fanboy virus spreading?
2) reasonable price/value ratio?
IMO #2 contributes to #1, and IF price/value is a contributing factor.. fanboyism/branding become less relevant. if you read the "interviews" with people in line for the new ipad a couple weeks ago.. a significant number of them were buying their first ipad. "Fanboys" do not wait for the 3rd iteration.