Selling open source warranties. That sounds like a great business.
It could work. Your pooling the collective risk that you might encounter a bug or need a feature. You find a bug and you file a claim. The consultant hired to fix the bug is paid out of the pool instead of by one individual. An ecosystem of sponsership is setup. The insurance companies will sponsor security audits. The service companies will sponsor features they can sell. The do it your self types will add the spit and polish to allow those rich in time and poor in money to do it themselves.
Hmm, is it bad that I read that as "the new client sits on top of $FASHIONABLE_STACK and runs on $FASHIONABLE_OS_LIST...".
Well yes but its a fashionable open source stack that they happen to have a large hand in developing. Its also a very nice stack. So yeah its bad, but its probably your fault, not the grand parents.
Have we? Does it scale? Can the result be "democratic"?
Who said anything about democratic? And the number is apparently 150. I got that number from this link. They also use that number in a business book called The Tipping Point. I have not gotten around to reading that book yet.
Anyway, I'm not saying we are perfect, but we've done pretty well on a macro scale so far. Make an argument towards a superior alternative, that has been achieved.
Having worked for some "adolescent" companies, I've noticed that certain traits used to achieve initial success have to be unlearned for continued success. Specifically, a young company needs to take advantage of its flexibility and lack of formal process to get new customers. As it matures, a company needs rigid, yet adaptable, internal processes. I think mankind is at that period where the traits that have served them well (pack animal mentality) no longer due. We can and are doing that via learned behavior.
Congratulation. I am a Catholic. The point is, that Christians as a whole are not against birth control. There are Christians (including protestants) that are against the birth control pill that believe it is abortion. One can argue internally with ones fellow protestants that their stance on abortion is not intellectually honest. However, from the outside looking in, non christians see the current working beliefs of christian policy makers leading to reduced use of birth control in third world countries regardless of what the bible says.
Except that the Bible says nothing about birth control.
Ok, and the constitution says I can own a handgun (I know it doesn't say that exactly). Mayor Bloomberg and the NYPD have different opinions though. Also, your argument only applies to Christian sects that believe in sola scripture.
I think the dichotomy of individual differences versus tendency to groupthink has served us well for a couple million years.
And what were the group sizes for most of that time?
Are you referring to the fact that our brains can handle a pack size of ~250? If so whats your point? We have always found ways of working around that limitation through hierarchy.
I sometimes wonder why humans evolved to be so irrational, and since societies' proliferation of individual preferences is one example of this I hope that this research continues to be funded.
I think the dichotomy of individual differences versus tendency to groupthink has served us well for a couple million years. Also, human's are irrational compared to what? We are wired to many cueues that made much more sense even a thousand years ago. Our irrational behavior got us to the point where we could put a few men on the moon. We will retrain our brains to get to the point of putting mankind into space. Eventually, we might evolve to better fit the envirorment we created for ourselves.
Also, you could argue that there are more important events in human history, or even space flight than landing on the moon. However, my irrational human brain likes the idea of being able to name a specific concrete event, as opposed to something less concrete like, "the proliferation of the internet."
I'm picturing Bill Gates, in a black polo neck, with spectacles designed by Johnathan Ive.
No you got it all wrong. The only way for Apple to survive post Steve Jobs, is for Steve to hand pick the type of successor that will urinate on his grave as soon as he is gone. The idea is not to share Steve's vision, but to have a vision as grand as Steve's and go about realizing it in aa Steve like manner.
If Bill Gates were to take over, he would take the company in a very non apple and non Microsoft like direction. He should also continue to get his haircut at the lemon tree and fly coach. If he doesn't do that anymore he should start again.
maybe Bill gates would like a second chance without all the MS baggage to try out his visions.
You know thats insane enough to work. However, it would require Jobs to be grooming Gates, and preparing the strongest reality distortion field ever.
Bill Gates is quite the nit picker. He is very much like Jobs without the sense of style. However, he does have the dictator type management style that would be necessary for a Jobs replacement.
People think this is funny? Objections about physical and mental issues among the elderly aside, I really think Medicare funds should be used to provide _medical care_ to those who need it, and not be spent on weapons.
Its an unintended consequence, that can be stopped by ending medicare.
And yes I am for ending medicare completely, of course I would phase it out. I'm not blinded by my libertarian ways.
Yes, to me this also raises some other questions. For one, I'm assuming that the guy asking the question has a reason for wanting specifically to open source it. He's probably hoping to get some amount of work put into the project that he's not paying for, or else why bother?
I think its quite possible some of the free work he plans on getting will be done by other than the original contractors.
Simply put, I voted for Obama because he appears to be a leader, but with a minimal record.
I'm still puzzled how libertarians can vote for him. Sure he can lead, and the country might prosper, but it won't be in the direction I want. I would rather pay for mediocre healthcare and drive a Corolla, then drive a Corvette that runs on my own urine to a government funded healthcare center.
I don't want to give them ad revenue if they're just lamely pulling off a marketing ploy, with Slashdot acting as a typically willing partner in the charade...
Well apparently its a pretty effective "lame ploy" being you seem to want to click on the link despite your deeply held principled objects.
You can quit, whiner! If my boss asked me to rob a liqueur store, I wouldn't conduct a poll on the police fraternity league website first. I would quit and then report him.
I would report him and then ask the police if I should quit. They might want a mole.
How is splitting and allowing the work to be done by someone else to do any more ethically sound than doing it yourself?
Its slightly better. There might be some merit in tattling, but presumably at large risk to your self (blacklisted) versus small risk to the party being exploited (the larger the fiscal damage to the company whose TOS is being violated, the better the chance of them catching your boss.) Also in the senario where no one will work for your boss because everyone made the "I will quit rather than do it myself" the work never gets done.
I'd be fascinated to know how you propose places like the Child Support Enforcement agency would be able to perform their jobs without access to things like DMV records. The country, and indeed the world, is full of inveterate arses who would rather be unemployed and homeless than play any amount of money to the women they saddle with their children.
There are deadbeat moms of children that live with their fathers too. I read somewhere that the percentage of women not paying required alimony payments is greater as well.
I do realize that there are plenty of men that don't care about their children. They also don't care about much else but themselves.
I personally, like thousands of others daily in major metropolitan areas, have jaywalked in immediate, unobstructed view of police officers in squad cars, or on bicycles, or horses, etc.
I can one up you there. I once walked from one sidewalk island to another on with a cop standing there at a busy complicated intersection. This was on Queens BLVD in New York, aka the ave of death. However, I do know someone that got a ticket for jaywalking on the same street. It might have been during the brief time Giuliani tried to actually enforce jaywalking.
I am implying that MS Access "is a piece of shit, and so is your face!"(TM).:D
Same thing for SQLite, because it is no real database.
And he said "editor", not "developer". That description fits someone who inputs data to Access tables / form fields.
Ok there buddy. A few counter points for you. First of all if you read the home page for PlaneDisaster.NET, or though about the name, you would realize I have no grat love for JetSQL (the database engine MS access uses). However, it comes preinstalled on all windows machines. Its also good enough for a small dataset edited by a local workstation. That and syncing wors well with PocketPCs via Pocket access.
Finally, the program is an editor developed by a developer (myself) and used by at least one developer (myself again).
Now in the one instance I developed an application that stored its data in an mdb file, it made complete sense to do it that way considering all constraints present. When I wrote a website from the ground up that was more "traditional" in its requirements I used php for the application code and stored the data in a postgres database with lots of foreign keys and triggers. Different tools for different tasks.
Now if you really wish to check my credentials as a programmer, you will find my other open source contributions on my ohloh profile. I don't believe any of them are data related. However, if you want an example MS-SQL database from a talk I gave demonstrating advanced RDBMS features I can provide that as well.
Well its a good initial number. If you would like to refine, go ahead. Yes there are problems with the number.
Open source accounting too?
Yes open source of sorts. The way the number was determined was rather simple. Lines of code, average programmer salary and LOC/programmer/timesegment. Come up with a method you feel is more accurate.
Otherwise whatever corporation would have created it for 10.8B would have needed to sell it to nearly 200 million people at 50 bucks a pop to have broken even. Most likely they would have folded.
What a ridiculous sum pulled completely out of thin air.
Well its a good initial number. If you would like to refine, go ahead. Yes there are problems with the number. It doesn't take into account the lines of code thrown away, or that you should probably rate lines of code for different programs at different salary levels.
Even using this approach for the Windows code base would have problems. Just the fact that the code was developed over a period of time and subsets were present in older versions of the code. Also, the cost to rewrite it all from scrap might be cheaper.
Need I remind you that the current Indian mission isn't a manned mission. While it's true the U.S. hasn't had a manned lunar mission in 36 years, we've launched unmanned lunar missions much more recently (Clementine and Lunar Prospector come to mind).
Yeah, but its been so long since a manned mission that if India lands a man on the moon it would make us (I am a US citizen) look bad.
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Selling open source warranties. That sounds like a great business.
It could work. Your pooling the collective risk that you might encounter a bug or need a feature. You find a bug and you file a claim. The consultant hired to fix the bug is paid out of the pool instead of by one individual. An ecosystem of sponsership is setup. The insurance companies will sponsor security audits. The service companies will sponsor features they can sell. The do it your self types will add the spit and polish to allow those rich in time and poor in money to do it themselves.
But given the choice, would you rather write SQL than JavaScript? Really?
Actually yes. Then again I've thought about switching from programmer to DBA.
Hmm, is it bad that I read that as "the new client sits on top of $FASHIONABLE_STACK and runs on $FASHIONABLE_OS_LIST...".
Well yes but its a fashionable open source stack that they happen to have a large hand in developing. Its also a very nice stack. So yeah its bad, but its probably your fault, not the grand parents.
Have we? Does it scale? Can the result be "democratic"?
Who said anything about democratic? And the number is apparently 150. I got that number from this link. They also use that number in a business book called The Tipping Point. I have not gotten around to reading that book yet.
Anyway, I'm not saying we are perfect, but we've done pretty well on a macro scale so far. Make an argument towards a superior alternative, that has been achieved.
Having worked for some "adolescent" companies, I've noticed that certain traits used to achieve initial success have to be unlearned for continued success. Specifically, a young company needs to take advantage of its flexibility and lack of formal process to get new customers. As it matures, a company needs rigid, yet adaptable, internal processes. I think mankind is at that period where the traits that have served them well (pack animal mentality) no longer due. We can and are doing that via learned behavior.
I am a protestant and fiercely proud of it.
Congratulation. I am a Catholic. The point is, that Christians as a whole are not against birth control. There are Christians (including protestants) that are against the birth control pill that believe it is abortion. One can argue internally with ones fellow protestants that their stance on abortion is not intellectually honest. However, from the outside looking in, non christians see the current working beliefs of christian policy makers leading to reduced use of birth control in third world countries regardless of what the bible says.
Except that the Bible says nothing about birth control.
Ok, and the constitution says I can own a handgun (I know it doesn't say that exactly). Mayor Bloomberg and the NYPD have different opinions though. Also, your argument only applies to Christian sects that believe in sola scripture.
And what were the group sizes for most of that time?
Are you referring to the fact that our brains can handle a pack size of ~250? If so whats your point? We have always found ways of working around that limitation through hierarchy.
I sometimes wonder why humans evolved to be so irrational, and since societies' proliferation of individual preferences is one example of this I hope that this research continues to be funded.
I think the dichotomy of individual differences versus tendency to groupthink has served us well for a couple million years. Also, human's are irrational compared to what? We are wired to many cueues that made much more sense even a thousand years ago. Our irrational behavior got us to the point where we could put a few men on the moon. We will retrain our brains to get to the point of putting mankind into space. Eventually, we might evolve to better fit the envirorment we created for ourselves.
Also, you could argue that there are more important events in human history, or even space flight than landing on the moon. However, my irrational human brain likes the idea of being able to name a specific concrete event, as opposed to something less concrete like, "the proliferation of the internet."
I'm picturing Bill Gates, in a black polo neck, with spectacles designed by Johnathan Ive.
No you got it all wrong. The only way for Apple to survive post Steve Jobs, is for Steve to hand pick the type of successor that will urinate on his grave as soon as he is gone. The idea is not to share Steve's vision, but to have a vision as grand as Steve's and go about realizing it in aa Steve like manner.
If Bill Gates were to take over, he would take the company in a very non apple and non Microsoft like direction. He should also continue to get his haircut at the lemon tree and fly coach. If he doesn't do that anymore he should start again.
maybe Bill gates would like a second chance without all the MS baggage to try out his visions.
You know thats insane enough to work. However, it would require Jobs to be grooming Gates, and preparing the strongest reality distortion field ever.
Bill Gates is quite the nit picker. He is very much like Jobs without the sense of style. However, he does have the dictator type management style that would be necessary for a Jobs replacement.
Tell the CEO those privileges are intended for his admin assistants only. The CEO is rightfully entitled to "Power User".
Ok so he can only screw up his own machine royally.
People think this is funny? Objections about physical and mental issues among the elderly aside, I really think Medicare funds should be used to provide _medical care_ to those who need it, and not be spent on weapons.
Its an unintended consequence, that can be stopped by ending medicare.
And yes I am for ending medicare completely, of course I would phase it out. I'm not blinded by my libertarian ways.
Yes, to me this also raises some other questions. For one, I'm assuming that the guy asking the question has a reason for wanting specifically to open source it. He's probably hoping to get some amount of work put into the project that he's not paying for, or else why bother?
I think its quite possible some of the free work he plans on getting will be done by other than the original contractors.
What a crock of shit. Mac is nothing more than a wannabe desktop publishing platform. Real video editing is done on a real workstation, like say SGI.
1999 called and they want your troll back.
Simply put, I voted for Obama because he appears to be a leader, but with a minimal record.
I'm still puzzled how libertarians can vote for him. Sure he can lead, and the country might prosper, but it won't be in the direction I want. I would rather pay for mediocre healthcare and drive a Corolla, then drive a Corvette that runs on my own urine to a government funded healthcare center.
So you can type f + tab and it will auto complete to "foo/" but if you type "foo/b" and press tab it won't auto complete to "foo/bar".
So try "foo\b" + tab. It works for me when I do it.
I don't want to give them ad revenue if they're just lamely pulling off a marketing ploy, with Slashdot acting as a typically willing partner in the charade ...
Well apparently its a pretty effective "lame ploy" being you seem to want to click on the link despite your deeply held principled objects.
You can quit, whiner! If my boss asked me to rob a liqueur store, I wouldn't conduct a poll on the police fraternity league website first. I would quit and then report him.
I would report him and then ask the police if I should quit. They might want a mole.
How is splitting and allowing the work to be done by someone else to do any more ethically sound than doing it yourself?
Its slightly better. There might be some merit in tattling, but presumably at large risk to your self (blacklisted) versus small risk to the party being exploited (the larger the fiscal damage to the company whose TOS is being violated, the better the chance of them catching your boss.) Also in the senario where no one will work for your boss because everyone made the "I will quit rather than do it myself" the work never gets done.
I'd be fascinated to know how you propose places like the Child Support Enforcement agency would be able to perform their jobs without access to things like DMV records. The country, and indeed the world, is full of inveterate arses who would rather be unemployed and homeless than play any amount of money to the women they saddle with their children.
There are deadbeat moms of children that live with their fathers too. I read somewhere that the percentage of women not paying required alimony payments is greater as well.
I do realize that there are plenty of men that don't care about their children. They also don't care about much else but themselves.
I personally, like thousands of others daily in major metropolitan areas, have jaywalked in immediate, unobstructed view of police officers in squad cars, or on bicycles, or horses, etc.
I can one up you there. I once walked from one sidewalk island to another on with a cop standing there at a busy complicated intersection. This was on Queens BLVD in New York, aka the ave of death. However, I do know someone that got a ticket for jaywalking on the same street. It might have been during the brief time Giuliani tried to actually enforce jaywalking.
I am implying that MS Access "is a piece of shit, and so is your face!"(TM). :D
Same thing for SQLite, because it is no real database.
And he said "editor", not "developer". That description fits someone who inputs data to Access tables / form fields.
Ok there buddy. A few counter points for you. First of all if you read the home page for PlaneDisaster.NET, or though about the name, you would realize I have no grat love for JetSQL (the database engine MS access uses). However, it comes preinstalled on all windows machines. Its also good enough for a small dataset edited by a local workstation. That and syncing wors well with PocketPCs via Pocket access.
Finally, the program is an editor developed by a developer (myself) and used by at least one developer (myself again).
Now in the one instance I developed an application that stored its data in an mdb file, it made complete sense to do it that way considering all constraints present. When I wrote a website from the ground up that was more "traditional" in its requirements I used php for the application code and stored the data in a postgres database with lots of foreign keys and triggers. Different tools for different tasks.
Now if you really wish to check my credentials as a programmer, you will find my other open source contributions on my ohloh profile. I don't believe any of them are data related. However, if you want an example MS-SQL database from a talk I gave demonstrating advanced RDBMS features I can provide that as well.
Well its a good initial number. If you would like to refine, go ahead. Yes there are problems with the number.
Open source accounting too?
Yes open source of sorts. The way the number was determined was rather simple. Lines of code, average programmer salary and LOC/programmer/timesegment. Come up with a method you feel is more accurate.
Otherwise whatever corporation would have created it for 10.8B would have needed to sell it to nearly 200 million people at 50 bucks a pop to have broken even. Most likely they would have folded.
What a ridiculous sum pulled completely out of thin air.
Well its a good initial number. If you would like to refine, go ahead. Yes there are problems with the number. It doesn't take into account the lines of code thrown away, or that you should probably rate lines of code for different programs at different salary levels.
Even using this approach for the Windows code base would have problems. Just the fact that the code was developed over a period of time and subsets were present in older versions of the code. Also, the cost to rewrite it all from scrap might be cheaper.
"And we haven't been back in a while."
Need I remind you that the current Indian mission isn't a manned mission. While it's true the U.S. hasn't had a manned lunar mission in 36 years, we've launched unmanned lunar missions much more recently (Clementine and Lunar Prospector come to mind).
Yeah, but its been so long since a manned mission that if India lands a man on the moon it would make us (I am a US citizen) look bad.