Last I checked, this was called the fruit of a poisoned tree/vine (or something along those lines). Anything legally gained from an illegal event is not admissable in the courts. Proving that they started off illegally will be the problem though.
Actually, since its about 200 to 300 cheaper then the cheapest Blu Ray stand alone DVD player (if you prefer bluray to HDDVD, I dont care for either since I still have a std 10 year old 36" crt non hd TV), then its a pretty good deal and I doubt there will be dissapointment, atleast from a usefulness standpoint.
Although the OP was posting on behalf of another individual, my statement was more of a generalization which affects US entities. If you are going to pick at my post, atleast have the decency to identify yourself.
Disclosure is required if there was any privacy data stored on those systems (peoples names/numbers/ssn/etc), if you do not know which users data was comprimised, all users need to be notified. This is required when it affects gov agencies, I am not however sure about private and commercial entities, although not notifying your customers if their data was comprimised, is asking for trouble, and when word gets out, people will find alternate solutions to what that company provides.
I was making a point, whether or not their code sucks or not is irrelavent, if their intentions are to create secure code, and they do so, and it is well implemented, then I see no reason why the security venders should be up in arms.
Regardless of my poor use of grammer, I was making a point, and for the record, I was not edumacated in the US, so your statement pointing out the poor quality of the American schooling system. However, if you are going to point out peoples mistakes, atleast have the balls to do identify yourself, instead of hiding.
I agree, the aftermarket security products came about due to crappy insecure code in previous MS products. Now I am by far not a fan of MS, I use *bsd products on all my systems. But if MS is going to go the extra mile to secure there product (and it actually is secure), thats a good thing..... Right?? I mean letting the security venders install there code on top of MS's supposedly secure code could in theory introduce holes, I will use Symantec as an example, they have a vulnerability in there code that processed packets a while back, it affected there entire product range (FW, IDS/IPS, AV etc) as that was shared code. Now you let Symantec put that crap on top of the MS secured code (supposedly secure atleast), and you just introduce a major vulnerability.
Personally, I say screw the aftermarket venders, there place is to provide services where the primary vender failed to produce, in the field of security, this means that the vender must intentionally creade insecure code to keep those aftermarket security venders in business... Thats just plain stupid.
Unfortunately, you are correct, I work in a large corp/gov enviroment, the data center has been standardized on HP server products. With all that invested in a product, (not just the product but the support infrastructure), it would take years to change over to new hardware. I dont see that happening, not to mention the fact that HP proliant servers are quality equipment.
I am in the same situation, I have my same 32" normal CRT, not even a flat screen, lasted me for years, I have no plans on getting a larger TV, or even HD till HD content is standard. That being said, although my TV currently functions just fine, as does my old no name brand DVD player, the TV is being wierd, its randomly turning off every now and then. So I may end up getting a new TV, who knows, but it will still not be an HD thats for sure.
They could always put multiple copies of the movie/music on the disc, degraded versions to play on anything, the higher quality requiring a key or something from the rfid tag. Or add bonus content that can only be access on rfid capable players. I can see being able to watch std quality video, with only 2 channel stereo on normal players, but with rfid ones, you get your dolby/thx audio, and higher quality video or something like that.
What I find invading, is if they require that th DVD player be networked, and transmitting the data back to whomever, no one needs to know what I listen to or watch, not that its bad, but if they want to make money off of my marketting data, I want 100% of the revenue generated by it.
I have one of the new smart keys on my 07 camry (hybrids come standard with the smart keys). The key comes with a little tag, if you lose it, you are SOL, you will need all new keys and recode the ecu on the car. Even if the dealship did keep a copy, its $800 per key, not something your avg joyriding thief is going to cough up to steal your car. The more persistant thief, maybe...
I despise Verizon, I hate Comcast, those are my only options for landline based services. Now, If verizon is allowed to start sending media down that fibre line, I think it should be fair that any other Company or Startup (new Media Broadcaster??) should be allowed to do the same to complete, unlike cable, who like to hoard their lines and not allow anyone else access to them. Also, last I checked, doesn't the gov subsidise the majority of the costs to lay the initial infrastructure, so the telcos should not be whining about incuring such major costs. I could be wrong on that last point though.
Last I checked, the BBC programming also had ads, which means not only are you paying for the TV license, but your also paying for the ads with your time if you use your own calculations.
You are not exactly correct. Up untill recently, HTC (not HP, HP's devices are also made by HTC), did not sell anything directly to the public, they design and make the devices which are then marketed to the larger brands like Dell, HP, Palm, and the PPC phone makers. HTC however purchased QTEK and another company I cannot remember, or partnered, either way, to begine selling directly to the public. They design and make the phones, and then customize them for the carriers, just like nokia does. You will find that the O2 version of this phone (HTC Prophet I think), is identical internally to the Qtek and Imate versions, but differ on the outside casing, and the Customizations (extended rom and radio rom).
That is the reason I went with the HTC Wizard/cingular 8125|8100/qtek 9200/imate K-jam...... It has a keyboard that slides out, with similair form factor, only slightly thicker. I used to use the HTC Magician/Imate Jam, which is is the Execs predecesor, it worked well for what I needed it for, although using the stylus for text messages was fine. I will pass on this particular model, and wait for the HTC Hermes, which will support UMTS, has a decent proc, and a keyboard that slides out.... Oh, notice the trend, HTC from Taiwan makes all the phones, including the Palm 700w/p, and all the HP ppc devices, including their phone models.
Ditching ATT is not so easy, they have a very large infrastructure and massive backbone. There is really no way to avoid using their services, either directly or indirectly. I hate to say this, but the only way to stop this is through gov intervention (I wont say regulation because I have regulation), but there is little way for the avg consumer to impact ATT's pocket book, now if companies (end user ISPs and such) toss ATT, that would definately hurt them.
Actually, the timing of the gay marriage is for the Nov elections, it being such a polarizing point from a political standpoint, the republicans are hoping to drum up support since there are many democrats who oppose gay marriage as well, they are trying to prevent losing control of the senate and the house. Basically, they are hoping that the people vote against candidates who vote agains the gay marriage ban amendment, which would effectively mean voting republican.
You are incorrect on a number of points, firstly, you are correct on the subsidy lock, phones are not cheap, even the free phones providers give away fro free, will cost about $300+ if you buy them from the aftermarket arena, and usually, the ETF does not cover the full cost of the phone, nor does it cover the cost of the man hours put into creating your account, and the customer service man hours a user inevitably goes through.
Now, phones are often provider exlusives of an existing model, some manufacturers will make a phone for specific providers (think verizon and sprint compared to Cingatt/tmobile), often they will make 2 versions, CDMA and GSM, and on the GSM side, they will often make both the 850 and 900 versions. However, cingular is rolling out on the 850 range, they will still work in most major areas due to either roaming agreements (that dont cost the customer anything), or legacy systems, rural areas are another story. And the reason they use 850, as it has better penatrating power for better reception inside buildings, as well as few towers needed since it has better range, but is only used in the US, and only requires a single part change by the manufacturer. Most will make 3 different versions or more of there phones, usually the more popular ones will come in 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900, and some will even come in CDMA versions. Many new phones are however being released as quad band.
As for locking, tmobile is more then willing to unlock your phone after 90 days of service and your account is in good standing. Not sure about cingular, ATT however, never would, even after your contract expires, they refuse to unlock phones, not to mention they do sell phones at full retail price with 0 subsidy, the Palm Tungston W was one of these, and they also would ot honour their warrenty on the device after it broke (which caused me to pay the ETF and tell them to fuck themselves).
It is very easy to buy aftermarket phones, expansys, mobile bee, there are hundreds of sites, soem will even seel you an unlocked phone at a discount price if you sign up for service for a provider through them (be carefull, some of these sites have a very high ETF if you cancell your service though).
The sole purpose of subsidy locks or sim locks, is to prevent you from taking your phone elsewhere during your contract period, and to cause as much problems as possible when you decide to change providers. Many people will stay with crappy service when they realise they have to learn a new phone, pay for new hardware, and dealing with this puts alot of people off. It's wrong, and personally I say not very ethical, but it is legal.
If they were to modify the contract to state you cannot do anything to the phone while under contract, that is fine, however once you terminate that contract, you are free to do whatever you want, whether or not you payed the ETF or you completed the contract duration.
You are correct, and the fact that 10m USD is a joke to Sony, they could probably afford a 10M a day fine for years on end before they notice a hit to their bottom line.
There are plenty of customers in this space, government, financial and ISPs to name a few, look at products like nixon, (whatever NFR's flight recorder is called today) and other products that store every single piece of data that goes in and out of a network. I work for a civilain gov agency, we generate 2TB of data a day, store that for 10 years, something like this becomes usefull, although I suspect in our case, a larger SAN would be much more efficiant. Banks, same way, they need to store huge amounts of data for long periods of time. The fact that this is modular is great, you buy what you need now, and add continuously. Credit reporting companies, I despise them as much as the rest of the folk, but they still need to house the data somewhere, and I suspect they probably have the largest DB of any customer/gov/whatever in existance.... I could be wrong there but I suspect I am not.
I was not talking about the items that were already sold by EB, I was talking about the items EB had in their posession, the items already sold there is little that can be done, except a good faith gesture by EB to replace said items, or cover the replacement costs.
All items still in EB's posession could however be seized
Not true, the police are supposed to seize stolen goods as evidence, and then the goods get returned to the original owner, and its up to EB to attempt to get their money back from the thief if its possible.
More to the point.. what the fuck were they (EB) thinking.. is the bad publicity over this whole incident worth the negligable amount of money to this woman.... I think not, this will cost them alot more in the long run, and I hope the authorities come down hard on EB for violating the laws and this persons rights
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Last I checked, this was called the fruit of a poisoned tree/vine (or something along those lines). Anything legally gained from an illegal event is not admissable in the courts. Proving that they started off illegally will be the problem though.
Actually, since its about 200 to 300 cheaper then the cheapest Blu Ray stand alone DVD player (if you prefer bluray to HDDVD, I dont care for either since I still have a std 10 year old 36" crt non hd TV), then its a pretty good deal and I doubt there will be dissapointment, atleast from a usefulness standpoint.
Although the OP was posting on behalf of another individual, my statement was more of a generalization which affects US entities. If you are going to pick at my post, atleast have the decency to identify yourself.
Disclosure is required if there was any privacy data stored on those systems (peoples names/numbers/ssn/etc), if you do not know which users data was comprimised, all users need to be notified. This is required when it affects gov agencies, I am not however sure about private and commercial entities, although not notifying your customers if their data was comprimised, is asking for trouble, and when word gets out, people will find alternate solutions to what that company provides.
I was making a point, whether or not their code sucks or not is irrelavent, if their intentions are to create secure code, and they do so, and it is well implemented, then I see no reason why the security venders should be up in arms.
Regardless of my poor use of grammer, I was making a point, and for the record, I was not edumacated in the US, so your statement pointing out the poor quality of the American schooling system. However, if you are going to point out peoples mistakes, atleast have the balls to do identify yourself, instead of hiding.
I agree, the aftermarket security products came about due to crappy insecure code in previous MS products. Now I am by far not a fan of MS, I use *bsd products on all my systems. But if MS is going to go the extra mile to secure there product (and it actually is secure), thats a good thing..... Right?? I mean letting the security venders install there code on top of MS's supposedly secure code could in theory introduce holes, I will use Symantec as an example, they have a vulnerability in there code that processed packets a while back, it affected there entire product range (FW, IDS/IPS, AV etc) as that was shared code. Now you let Symantec put that crap on top of the MS secured code (supposedly secure atleast), and you just introduce a major vulnerability.
Personally, I say screw the aftermarket venders, there place is to provide services where the primary vender failed to produce, in the field of security, this means that the vender must intentionally creade insecure code to keep those aftermarket security venders in business... Thats just plain stupid.
Unfortunately, you are correct, I work in a large corp/gov enviroment, the data center has been standardized on HP server products. With all that invested in a product, (not just the product but the support infrastructure), it would take years to change over to new hardware. I dont see that happening, not to mention the fact that HP proliant servers are quality equipment.
I am in the same situation, I have my same 32" normal CRT, not even a flat screen, lasted me for years, I have no plans on getting a larger TV, or even HD till HD content is standard. That being said, although my TV currently functions just fine, as does my old no name brand DVD player, the TV is being wierd, its randomly turning off every now and then. So I may end up getting a new TV, who knows, but it will still not be an HD thats for sure.
They could always put multiple copies of the movie/music on the disc, degraded versions to play on anything, the higher quality requiring a key or something from the rfid tag. Or add bonus content that can only be access on rfid capable players. I can see being able to watch std quality video, with only 2 channel stereo on normal players, but with rfid ones, you get your dolby/thx audio, and higher quality video or something like that.
What I find invading, is if they require that th DVD player be networked, and transmitting the data back to whomever, no one needs to know what I listen to or watch, not that its bad, but if they want to make money off of my marketting data, I want 100% of the revenue generated by it.
I have one of the new smart keys on my 07 camry (hybrids come standard with the smart keys). The key comes with a little tag, if you lose it, you are SOL, you will need all new keys and recode the ecu on the car. Even if the dealship did keep a copy, its $800 per key, not something your avg joyriding thief is going to cough up to steal your car. The more persistant thief, maybe...
I despise Verizon, I hate Comcast, those are my only options for landline based services. Now, If verizon is allowed to start sending media down that fibre line, I think it should be fair that any other Company or Startup (new Media Broadcaster??) should be allowed to do the same to complete, unlike cable, who like to hoard their lines and not allow anyone else access to them. Also, last I checked, doesn't the gov subsidise the majority of the costs to lay the initial infrastructure, so the telcos should not be whining about incuring such major costs. I could be wrong on that last point though.
Last I checked, the BBC programming also had ads, which means not only are you paying for the TV license, but your also paying for the ads with your time if you use your own calculations.
As part of your service agreement, you allow them to push updates to the tivo box. You can hack your box, and disable this.
You are not exactly correct. Up untill recently, HTC (not HP, HP's devices are also made by HTC), did not sell anything directly to the public, they design and make the devices which are then marketed to the larger brands like Dell, HP, Palm, and the PPC phone makers. HTC however purchased QTEK and another company I cannot remember, or partnered, either way, to begine selling directly to the public. They design and make the phones, and then customize them for the carriers, just like nokia does. You will find that the O2 version of this phone (HTC Prophet I think), is identical internally to the Qtek and Imate versions, but differ on the outside casing, and the Customizations (extended rom and radio rom).
That is the reason I went with the HTC Wizard/cingular 8125|8100/qtek 9200/imate K-jam...... It has a keyboard that slides out, with similair form factor, only slightly thicker. I used to use the HTC Magician/Imate Jam, which is is the Execs predecesor, it worked well for what I needed it for, although using the stylus for text messages was fine. I will pass on this particular model, and wait for the HTC Hermes, which will support UMTS, has a decent proc, and a keyboard that slides out.... Oh, notice the trend, HTC from Taiwan makes all the phones, including the Palm 700w/p, and all the HP ppc devices, including their phone models.
Ditching ATT is not so easy, they have a very large infrastructure and massive backbone. There is really no way to avoid using their services, either directly or indirectly. I hate to say this, but the only way to stop this is through gov intervention (I wont say regulation because I have regulation), but there is little way for the avg consumer to impact ATT's pocket book, now if companies (end user ISPs and such) toss ATT, that would definately hurt them.
Actually, the timing of the gay marriage is for the Nov elections, it being such a polarizing point from a political standpoint, the republicans are hoping to drum up support since there are many democrats who oppose gay marriage as well, they are trying to prevent losing control of the senate and the house. Basically, they are hoping that the people vote against candidates who vote agains the gay marriage ban amendment, which would effectively mean voting republican.
I'm gonna call the cops next time some night elf hunter kills my helpless warlock from shadowmeld :P
You are incorrect on a number of points, firstly, you are correct on the subsidy lock, phones are not cheap, even the free phones providers give away fro free, will cost about $300+ if you buy them from the aftermarket arena, and usually, the ETF does not cover the full cost of the phone, nor does it cover the cost of the man hours put into creating your account, and the customer service man hours a user inevitably goes through.
Now, phones are often provider exlusives of an existing model, some manufacturers will make a phone for specific providers (think verizon and sprint compared to Cingatt/tmobile), often they will make 2 versions, CDMA and GSM, and on the GSM side, they will often make both the 850 and 900 versions. However, cingular is rolling out on the 850 range, they will still work in most major areas due to either roaming agreements (that dont cost the customer anything), or legacy systems, rural areas are another story. And the reason they use 850, as it has better penatrating power for better reception inside buildings, as well as few towers needed since it has better range, but is only used in the US, and only requires a single part change by the manufacturer. Most will make 3 different versions or more of there phones, usually the more popular ones will come in 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900, and some will even come in CDMA versions. Many new phones are however being released as quad band.
As for locking, tmobile is more then willing to unlock your phone after 90 days of service and your account is in good standing. Not sure about cingular, ATT however, never would, even after your contract expires, they refuse to unlock phones, not to mention they do sell phones at full retail price with 0 subsidy, the Palm Tungston W was one of these, and they also would ot honour their warrenty on the device after it broke (which caused me to pay the ETF and tell them to fuck themselves).
It is very easy to buy aftermarket phones, expansys, mobile bee, there are hundreds of sites, soem will even seel you an unlocked phone at a discount price if you sign up for service for a provider through them (be carefull, some of these sites have a very high ETF if you cancell your service though).
The sole purpose of subsidy locks or sim locks, is to prevent you from taking your phone elsewhere during your contract period, and to cause as much problems as possible when you decide to change providers. Many people will stay with crappy service when they realise they have to learn a new phone, pay for new hardware, and dealing with this puts alot of people off. It's wrong, and personally I say not very ethical, but it is legal.
If they were to modify the contract to state you cannot do anything to the phone while under contract, that is fine, however once you terminate that contract, you are free to do whatever you want, whether or not you payed the ETF or you completed the contract duration.
You are correct, and the fact that 10m USD is a joke to Sony, they could probably afford a 10M a day fine for years on end before they notice a hit to their bottom line.
There are plenty of customers in this space, government, financial and ISPs to name a few, look at products like nixon, (whatever NFR's flight recorder is called today) and other products that store every single piece of data that goes in and out of a network. I work for a civilain gov agency, we generate 2TB of data a day, store that for 10 years, something like this becomes usefull, although I suspect in our case, a larger SAN would be much more efficiant. Banks, same way, they need to store huge amounts of data for long periods of time. The fact that this is modular is great, you buy what you need now, and add continuously. Credit reporting companies, I despise them as much as the rest of the folk, but they still need to house the data somewhere, and I suspect they probably have the largest DB of any customer/gov/whatever in existance.... I could be wrong there but I suspect I am not.
He will get sodomised by big bubba who bought some penis enlargement pills from the spammers spam.....
I was not talking about the items that were already sold by EB, I was talking about the items EB had in their posession, the items already sold there is little that can be done, except a good faith gesture by EB to replace said items, or cover the replacement costs.
All items still in EB's posession could however be seized
Not true, the police are supposed to seize stolen goods as evidence, and then the goods get returned to the original owner, and its up to EB to attempt to get their money back from the thief if its possible.
More to the point.. what the fuck were they (EB) thinking.. is the bad publicity over this whole incident worth the negligable amount of money to this woman.... I think not, this will cost them alot more in the long run, and I hope the authorities come down hard on EB for violating the laws and this persons rights