1. While not currently a hunter, it's mostly because, at this point in time I do not have the resources available to properly utilize any game I take. I'm not going to spend $200 for the privilage of hunting a deer that I'd end up donating 90% of the meat because I can't use it. 1a. If I'm going to go after game, I'm not going to do it on my computer. 2. I would not consider internet hunting a big deal at this time. Most likely it's a fad. Look at the popularity of bow and black powder hunting. These guys aren't going to use the internet. 3. California, from all reports, is going through a number of crisises, including many financial. 4. Books of Law are already bigger than Encylopedias and harder to read than medical texts. Do we really need a law this specific? Do we need another law?
And don't forget, it would be on private property with a safe backstop, and the rifle can't be arced too high, they'd have a fence, signs and red flags(firing range indicator), and before the guy goes out to prepare the game, he disables the gun.
Anybody getting themselves shot with with this would deserve their Darwin award.
Except the guy in Texas that was proposing it had sending you the pelt and meat as part of the service.
Also, it wouldn't be on public land, it would be using essentially 'farm' animals on private property.
Still werd and a bit sick, but not something that I would feel that a new law needs to be made for. I would tend to think that animal cruelty laws would cover just fine.
Of course, I view any new law with extreme suspicion. I feel that all the laws of the land should be able to fit into something the size of a dictionary. In the same or larger font.
It's poorly worded, but it's [b]NOT[/b] $500-$6000 a month for the wifi. This is the cost for a place to provide the service. IE you get wideband at a cafe that's paying ~$500/month for a T1 that handles the aggregate traffic.
The bandwidth cost for the needle would be $6000 a month, but provide more backbone bandwidth over a larger area.
I imagine the subscription costs to hook into it will be substantially less.
Nope. Glass cutters. You didn't hear a thing. 1. I'm not exactly the deepest of sleepers. 2. Try navigating my house without making noise. 3. I can only do my best. You can design a force to take anything. All you can do is make it difficult Rad! So while you're sleeping, I use my handy-dandy wire snippers or bolt cutters to remove the key from your body, open your safe, and add your super maximum awesome-o handgun to the list of things I'm going to successfully carry out of your house tonight.
With me, not on me. I'll admit all you'd have to do would be fumble through my dirty laundry. And it's not a 'super maximim...' it's a basic model of a good quality handgun. Specifically a CZ75BD in 9mm. Functionally the same as the military M9 and many police guns.
Actually, as I was entering your room quietly, you were sleeping. You wake up and there's a gun pointed at your head. At this point a gun hidden under your pillow wouldn't help, much less one in a safe on the other side of the room.
Good luck opening my door quietly or quickly.
But on the rest of the stuff, you seem to assume that the bad guys are all uber, so it doesn't make any sense to resist. My position is that they're pretty much all pathetic, or at least average, so you have a chance, and can prepare.
Yes, if they manage to get the drop on me, I'm likely to cooperate. Part of my training is to try to prevent that though.
As for my parents being shot, if it's one guy, he's going to have trouble keeping us all covered.
For example, how the heck is the guy in the backseat going to get my wallet? I'm not in the car yet. The doors are closed. I can drop, backup and run.
Killing people is wrong. It doesn't matter if it's in self-defense, it doesn't matter how much of an asshole they are or how much they deserve it.
We have a fundimental difference in opinion, philosophy, and worldview then. I don't view killing people as wrong in all circumstances. I believe that self-defense is the biggest of the exemptions. I also have the view that I'm far more likely to be able to deploy my firearm than what you think. You seem to think that I'll have a 0% chance, I think that I'll have at least a 50-50. It's my choice on when I make that decision, until then the firearm stays hidden.
Most criminals are out 'for themselves'. They don't want to take risks. In Texes, businesses that display the "30.06" sign forbidding CCW permit holders from carrying there have a far higher robbery rate than businesses that don't.
There are tools in place, tools mich more effective then theoretical self-defense with handguns you never get the chance to draw, and their names are Police and Insurance.
Interesting you should name the police and insurance together, as they're both there more to help clean up the mess afterwards. You're still a victim. Robbery isn't a huge deal like assault, rape, and murder.
If you feel that your calling in life is to protect innocent people from harm at the hands of ruthless criminals, great. Your local police department is hiring. Until you work for them, or the Army, or the Sheriff's dept, you have no moral right wielding deadly force. Period
Wrong DoD department, but oh well. My oath includes "Enemies foreign and domestic". Criminals(at least for crimes with victims) fall under 'the enemy' in my mind. That made me think about something else. You seem to be on the 'optimal personal chance of survival' strategy. I'm far more on the 'stop the enemy' strategy. I also think that your assumption that the crooks will always 'get the drop' is vastly misplaced.
I also seriously object to the idea of governments having a monopoly of force. That's how genocides tend to get started.
And the NRA, at least until recently, was a bunch of pansies. I'm a member of GOA(Gun Owners of America).
That's why you don't try to stay up. I upgrade my graphics every two to four years. When I do go looking for a new card, I look at the information for currently available cards and pick the best performance/price ratio card that's in the upper end performance wise.
Thus, if ATI is currently behind Nvidia, they have pressure to release a new card or drop prices (or both), otherwise they'll lose marketshare. Then Nvidia is behind, so they look to do the same. Thus you get frequent releases.
Then you just keep ahold of your current card until it doesn't do what you want it to. Then you upgrade.
Not many people buy a new $300-400 card every 6 months, but those that can afford to, well, they're an excellent money source for the companies.
BWAAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah. OK. I'm only there to rob your house, but fuck, why not. I'll be sportsmanlike and let you open your gun safe. Go ahead. Just make one move towards it while I've got my gun trained on you. Go ahead. Why, your hands are shaking so hard you could barely spin the dial even if I let you get that far. What's the matter?
You're most likely going to have to break a window to get in. I hear somebody fumbling around in the dark. My safe is IN my bedroom. My safe takes a key(with me). Do this robber know what bedroom I'm sleeping in? I grab my shottie and call 911. Try my landline first - that gives them my address automatically. Cellphone is second. You open that door, and I'm shooting as soon as I verify that you're not somebody I know just acting stupid (They all know NOT to come in unannounced).
Don't trust me? Nope, as you're rushing into my room, I'm unloading my 9mm into you from behind my bed.
It's called "the drop", and when somebody gets it on you, it doesn't matter how many guns you have or what kind of bullets they use. You, like anybody else, are going to give them your wallet, ask them to please not hurt you, and wait for it all to be over so you can file your insurance claim.
It's also called "condition white". Which I try to only be in inside my house. A large part about taking the line that 'I will not be an easy victim' is being aware. I pay attention to my surroundings. IE I do things like glance at the back seat of my car before getting in.
I suppose you could always shoot him in the back, but then you'd be going to jail for a long time. Use of deadly force to protect property is strictly prohibited in the US.
Not true under all circumstances in some areas of the states. But I won't bother you with the specifics as you've already stated that you won't be resisting with lethal force. Of course, you might kill the guy with your bare hands.
Once his back was turned you'd have a very hard time saying your life was in danger, and forensic experts are very very good at putting together the location of a gunshot wound with the location in the room of all the blood. Believe it or not, you're actually not smarter than the cops.
Actually, I'd tend to say that I'm smart enough to realize that the cops are very good at determining what happened during an investigation. Telling entry and exit wounds are dead easy.
It doesn't matter that you think he's gonna avoid your house. It doesn't matter that you practice shooting or how well trained you are. It doesn't matter that you think the criminal is more afraid of you than a cop. It doesn't matter that England has more burglary. Those are just pretty little thoughts that you can think in your head - as you're handing over your wallet and asking him not to hurt you or your family.
Oh, my family is with me? I'm still unmarried with no children, so mom shoots him. Or my father does.
In life, you have two choices - you can choose to be good and do right, lock your doors and windows, get a security system and a safe room, not live the ghetto, and take sensible precautions.
Pretty much. Dogs are the security system, when I build my own house the gun vault in the basement will double as the safe room. I don't live in the ghetto, but violence still occurs outside of them, and one of the sensible precautions I've taken is to obtain and become familiar with a firearm suitable for self-defense.
But also accept that, occasionally, you will be victimized and be helpless to stop it, whether by unfair taxes, or illness and death, or a stock market crash, or a gun stuck in your back as you walk down the street on a saturday night. And find yourself on the upside of life more often than not.
Can't do much about the rest of the stuff, but I can protect myself from the last one. Remember "Condition white"? I try to stay in "Yellow".
Pull the firearm and the robber shoots you before you've had a chance to lock and load. Seriously professional criminals if they belive the target is going to be armed will be equaly
Umm, I'm 'locked and loaded' while still in bed. Give me a minute and I'll have the gunsafe open and my remington 1187 in hand.
Seriously professional criminals(burglers/thieves at least) tend to AVOID homes like mine. Surveys of criminals in the states show that they're more afraid of encountering an armed victim than a cop. The hot burglary rate(house occupied at the time) in the states is a fraction of that in England.
You come into my house with the intention of shootine me,then i will either disarm you and beat the crap out of you or you will shoot me -Simple as that.
Well, I wasn't really thinking of shooting you, I was thinking more along the lines of emptying your house of valuables, but ok. Assassination is more difficult to deal with than the random violent thug/burglar. By the way, if I'm not entering the house intending to kill you, resisting unarmed is statistcally the worst thing you can do.
If i have a gun i pull it on your and you pull yours on me. What hapens then.. eh. Either you shoot me or i shoot you , Either way someone could die ,
Interesting comma usage, is english your second language? But anyways. Yes, nothing is assured in a gunbattle. Both parties could miss(it happens!), both parties could hit(incapacitation from gunshot wounds can easily take minutes), one party could hit(hopefully the good guy). I practice shooting, most criminals do not. Private citizens who end up using their firearm in self defense 'win' in the majority of cases.
and honestly i couldnt live with that if i took a human life.
That's your decision. On the other hand, I value the life of the criminal far less my own or other innocents life.
I used to work as a bouncer and im fairly well trained in self-defense so perhaps im not a perfect example . though..
And I'm far more trained in the usage of firearms than the average criminal. But I was just suggesting a scenario. You must be a pretty big guy(or at least those are the types hired as bouncers around here), most likely the criminals will nip along the street to grandma's house instead.
Ever hear of prevention being better than cure.
Sure. I lock my doors. But I'm not quite at the point of being able to afford polycarbon armored windows and such. I can't live in a shell my entire life. I also go out all the time.
Well if you cant toaly prevent it then why do you want a fatal resolve.Why not a non-leathel form of defense.
I don't. But I want to make sure that I'm the winner in such a conflict. They haven't developed a non-lethal defense that's as effective as a firearm yet. Also, it might seem weird, but having the potential of lethal defense means that I'm less likely to have to use it. After all, what does the rapist have to really fear from a woman who pulls out pepper spray or a tazer? He can just come on. At worst it'll disable him for a little bit. If she pulls out a firearm, he's looking at deadly consquences. At that point, he's far more likely to run or surrender than to continue the assault.
such as a bola gun or net gun. Too big. One usage.
or how about a some form of spray or a high powerd tazer.
Sprays are not 100%. There is a percentage of population who are immune or can resist it. It's often windy enough here that you'd have to be in arms reach for it to work. Same with the tazer, especially when you consider that the models that are sold to 'civilians' are weaker than the police models. They're one shot, and can become lodged in heavy clothing. Meanwhile any one of my semiautomatic pistols will penetrate any clothing not crossing the li
More accuratly, a gun is designed to propel a projectile in a specified direction. The accuracy and power of the gun depends on the design decisions for size, weight, reliability, operation, etc...
The projectile may or may not be designed to kill. For example, there are beanbag, pepper, and gas rounds designed to be fired from a shotgun. On the other hand, hollow points are designed to expand, helping to ensure maximum energy transmission and disruption of tissue. Softpoints do the same thing, but with more penetration. These are usually used to help insure a humane kill on larger game. FMJ(Full Metal Jacket) is used by the military due to treaty and convention and target shooters due to its inexpensive nature and accuracy. Fragmentary is used in steel target shooting to ensure that the round doesn't deflect back, and to prevent overpenetration (glasers on a plane).
And who says that killing is necessarily bad? You can kill for food (Good), kill for self-defense(Good, some may argue), kill to defend others (IE police, bodyguards), kill to defend property (why should the bank's money be better protected than the female college student?).
And remember, we wouldn't suddenly be peaceful if all the guns went *poof*. We made do with swords, spears, bows, knives, hammers, etc long before guns came along. The difference is that a gun is usable by just about anybody, a physically fit individual doesn't have as great of an advantage when the weapons are guns rather than a sword. You get rid of guns, and we're back to the strong having the run of the weak.
Killing things is usually best left to a (legitimate) government who has the monopoly on legitimate use of force
I'd be reallly careful about that one. What's to say that a Government is legitimate? What's to keep a government that has a monopoly on usage of force from doing various nasty things, like what happened in Germany, Russia, China, Iraw, Afganistan, Africa(various countries), etc?
I prefer the government to have some enforcement capabilities, but for the majority of the power, including that of lethal force, to remain with the public at large. Tends to keep the amount of genocide down when the people can fight back.
I meant [i]said[/i]. While I occasionally get words mixed up, I didn't this time.
400 years of atrocities? This country is only 228 years old(dating from declaration of independance). I suppose you could get 400 years if you include the Portuguese and french colonies in the south, right up to the 1960/70's.
On the other hand, we also had the underground railroad, abolitionist, etc. My familiy was in New York at the time of the civil war.
[i]I really hope you are not trying to equate the admittally horrible experiences of the Jews in Nazi Germany to the 400 years of atrocities that this country committed against blacks during Slavery. There is simply no comparision.[/i]
Equate? No. Compare? Yes. Both groups were made out to be 'subhuman' Both groups were forced to work Both groups were denied arms/freedom Both groups were killed on a whim. Jews Worse:
5-6 million killed in death camps, whether by gas or worked to death, starved.
Forced to help in the slaughter of their own people in gas chambers Black Slaves worse:
Longer period of time, denial of basic rights, worked to death over a longer period.
[i]DLP on the other hand, gets you somewhat the best of both worlds. It is still CRT driven (quality) and makes headways into burn-in and size, as well as ambient lighting.[/i]
No, DLP is NOT CRT(Cathode Ray Tube) driven. It has "chips" that aligns or deflects small mirrors for the picture.
They do have CRT Projectors, but they're older technology, more expensive, and heavier.
They don't have any right to call up the unorganized militia for foreign service, other than the 'draft'.
If it's any consoldation, If that's your attitude, I don't want you in the U.S. Military either.
Volunteers only, please.
And yes, I read my contract, and know what they can do with me. Stop-loss was not a draft. It was in my contract. Recall of first-term seperators is not a draft, I originally signed up for a 10 year hitch: 4 active, 6 inactive, extendable during time of war or other need. When you retire, part of accepting that retirement package is being part of the "retired reserves". Officers are even more tied in, but given that they have at least a 4 year degree, they should be smart enough to read the print.
And I should note that this wasn't even fine print. The officer stood there and read it to us, and highlighted the relevant passage.
And believe me, we still have a certain amount of "stretch" before we break. Even now, we're in what can be termed 'sustainment' operations. Sure, I think that I'd be happier if we had another numbered army or so. We could do it too. Increase the benefits a little, relax requirements a bit, and remember that the all-volunteer army was once almost twice as large as it is now.
Sure, in a stand up fight the rebels wouldn't have a chance. However, the military very heavily depends on the support of the civilian population. The US Military would barely be able to operate for two months without civilian support. Add in a hostile opposition on our own soil where many of the military members would be rebelling too(remember, they swear to "support and defend the constitution"), and it gets very, very ugly.
For example, a M1 Abrams is a very good tank. It also has less than a 200 mile range on it's internal fuel. You don't bother trying to stop the tank. You simply stop the fuel truck. Like anybody else, a soldier needs food, water, and shelter. Can you see how the citizens can stop the army now?
As far as hunting rifles vs M-16's, a M-16 is only effective out to about 300 yards. A scoped hunting rifle can reach much further, and blow through most body armor. There are more AR-15's in civilian hands than M-16s in military stock. Besides, to convert an AR-15 to select fire is fairly easy if you have plans and a machine shop, and are willing to ignore those laws. If you're willing to ignore the law, the US civilians could very quickly start churning out machine guns, grenades, mines, and RPG's.
Many of the laws also had "grandfather clauses" where if you or your father had voted in the past, you were allowed to vote. And there were "wink-wink nudge-nudge" versions of the test.
There were all sorts of rules implimented after the Civil War to try to "keep the niggers in their place".
Gun control for one. If you look closely, there was all sorts of creative interpretations of that law, down to the sheriffs ignoring the 'good old boys' who were packing heat.
And what happens when you bid out that featureset and the companies get ahold of it and simply make sure that that they exceed that featureset, maybe by a patch?
Beyond 300 yards a good hunting rifle can do quite a bit of good...
back on topic, I don't think that municipal broadband is always a good idea, but a coop can be an excellent idea, especially when commercial services don't want to provide it.
After all, once somebody declares bankruptcy (at least chapter 13), aren't they broke?
The only way somebody should be able to be 'wealthy' after this would be if they have some hugely marketable skill, and if they do, what the heck is judge thinking by letting them write off the debt?
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1. While not currently a hunter, it's mostly because, at this point in time I do not have the resources available to properly utilize any game I take. I'm not going to spend $200 for the privilage of hunting a deer that I'd end up donating 90% of the meat because I can't use it.
1a. If I'm going to go after game, I'm not going to do it on my computer.
2. I would not consider internet hunting a big deal at this time. Most likely it's a fad. Look at the popularity of bow and black powder hunting. These guys aren't going to use the internet.
3. California, from all reports, is going through a number of crisises, including many financial.
4. Books of Law are already bigger than Encylopedias and harder to read than medical texts. Do we really need a law this specific? Do we need another law?
And don't forget, it would be on private property with a safe backstop, and the rifle can't be arced too high, they'd have a fence, signs and red flags(firing range indicator), and before the guy goes out to prepare the game, he disables the gun.
Anybody getting themselves shot with with this would deserve their Darwin award.
Except the guy in Texas that was proposing it had sending you the pelt and meat as part of the service.
Also, it wouldn't be on public land, it would be using essentially 'farm' animals on private property.
Still werd and a bit sick, but not something that I would feel that a new law needs to be made for. I would tend to think that animal cruelty laws would cover just fine.
Of course, I view any new law with extreme suspicion. I feel that all the laws of the land should be able to fit into something the size of a dictionary. In the same or larger font.
It's poorly worded, but it's [b]NOT[/b] $500-$6000 a month for the wifi. This is the cost for a place to provide the service. IE you get wideband at a cafe that's paying ~$500/month for a T1 that handles the aggregate traffic.
The bandwidth cost for the needle would be $6000 a month, but provide more backbone bandwidth over a larger area.
I imagine the subscription costs to hook into it will be substantially less.
legitimate monopoly on violence
I believe that nobody should have a monopoly on violence, lest they misuse it.
It is a better world when the cops can deal with a car thief as opposed to when I would have to undertake that responsability myself.
But what happens when the criminals want more than just the car, and a cop isn't in sight?
Nope. Glass cutters. You didn't hear a thing.
1. I'm not exactly the deepest of sleepers.
2. Try navigating my house without making noise.
3. I can only do my best. You can design a force to take anything. All you can do is make it difficult
Rad! So while you're sleeping, I use my handy-dandy wire snippers or bolt cutters to remove the key from your body, open your safe, and add your super maximum awesome-o handgun to the list of things I'm going to successfully carry out of your house tonight.
With me, not on me. I'll admit all you'd have to do would be fumble through my dirty laundry.
And it's not a 'super maximim...' it's a basic model of a good quality handgun. Specifically a CZ75BD in 9mm. Functionally the same as the military M9 and many police guns.
Actually, as I was entering your room quietly, you were sleeping. You wake up and there's a gun pointed at your head. At this point a gun hidden under your pillow wouldn't help, much less one in a safe on the other side of the room.
Good luck opening my door quietly or quickly.
But on the rest of the stuff, you seem to assume that the bad guys are all uber, so it doesn't make any sense to resist. My position is that they're pretty much all pathetic, or at least average, so you have a chance, and can prepare.
Yes, if they manage to get the drop on me, I'm likely to cooperate. Part of my training is to try to prevent that though.
As for my parents being shot, if it's one guy, he's going to have trouble keeping us all covered.
For example, how the heck is the guy in the backseat going to get my wallet? I'm not in the car yet. The doors are closed. I can drop, backup and run.
Killing people is wrong. It doesn't matter if it's in self-defense, it doesn't matter how much of an asshole they are or how much they deserve it.
We have a fundimental difference in opinion, philosophy, and worldview then. I don't view killing people as wrong in all circumstances. I believe that self-defense is the biggest of the exemptions. I also have the view that I'm far more likely to be able to deploy my firearm than what you think. You seem to think that I'll have a 0% chance, I think that I'll have at least a 50-50. It's my choice on when I make that decision, until then the firearm stays hidden.
Most criminals are out 'for themselves'. They don't want to take risks. In Texes, businesses that display the "30.06" sign forbidding CCW permit holders from carrying there have a far higher robbery rate than businesses that don't.
There are tools in place, tools mich more effective then theoretical self-defense with handguns you never get the chance to draw, and their names are Police and Insurance.
Interesting you should name the police and insurance together, as they're both there more to help clean up the mess afterwards. You're still a victim. Robbery isn't a huge deal like assault, rape, and murder.
If you feel that your calling in life is to protect innocent people from harm at the hands of ruthless criminals, great. Your local police department is hiring. Until you work for them, or the Army, or the Sheriff's dept, you have no moral right wielding deadly force. Period
Wrong DoD department, but oh well. My oath includes "Enemies foreign and domestic". Criminals(at least for crimes with victims) fall under 'the enemy' in my mind. That made me think about something else. You seem to be on the 'optimal personal chance of survival' strategy. I'm far more on the 'stop the enemy' strategy. I also think that your assumption that the crooks will always 'get the drop' is vastly misplaced.
I also seriously object to the idea of governments having a monopoly of force. That's how genocides tend to get started.
And the NRA, at least until recently, was a bunch of pansies. I'm a member of GOA(Gun Owners of America).
That's why you don't try to stay up. I upgrade my graphics every two to four years. When I do go looking for a new card, I look at the information for currently available cards and pick the best performance/price ratio card that's in the upper end performance wise.
Thus, if ATI is currently behind Nvidia, they have pressure to release a new card or drop prices (or both), otherwise they'll lose marketshare. Then Nvidia is behind, so they look to do the same. Thus you get frequent releases.
Then you just keep ahold of your current card until it doesn't do what you want it to. Then you upgrade.
Not many people buy a new $300-400 card every 6 months, but those that can afford to, well, they're an excellent money source for the companies.
"Give me a minute"
BWAAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah. OK. I'm only there to rob your house, but fuck, why not. I'll be sportsmanlike and let you open your gun safe. Go ahead. Just make one move towards it while I've got my gun trained on you. Go ahead. Why, your hands are shaking so hard you could barely spin the dial even if I let you get that far. What's the matter?
You're most likely going to have to break a window to get in. I hear somebody fumbling around in the dark. My safe is IN my bedroom. My safe takes a key(with me). Do this robber know what bedroom I'm sleeping in? I grab my shottie and call 911. Try my landline first - that gives them my address automatically. Cellphone is second. You open that door, and I'm shooting as soon as I verify that you're not somebody I know just acting stupid (They all know NOT to come in unannounced).
Don't trust me?
Nope, as you're rushing into my room, I'm unloading my 9mm into you from behind my bed.
It's called "the drop", and when somebody gets it on you, it doesn't matter how many guns you have or what kind of bullets they use. You, like anybody else, are going to give them your wallet, ask them to please not hurt you, and wait for it all to be over so you can file your insurance claim.
It's also called "condition white". Which I try to only be in inside my house. A large part about taking the line that 'I will not be an easy victim' is being aware. I pay attention to my surroundings. IE I do things like glance at the back seat of my car before getting in.
I suppose you could always shoot him in the back, but then you'd be going to jail for a long time. Use of deadly force to protect property is strictly prohibited in the US.
Not true under all circumstances in some areas of the states. But I won't bother you with the specifics as you've already stated that you won't be resisting with lethal force. Of course, you might kill the guy with your bare hands.
Once his back was turned you'd have a very hard time saying your life was in danger, and forensic experts are very very good at putting together the location of a gunshot wound with the location in the room of all the blood. Believe it or not, you're actually not smarter than the cops.
Actually, I'd tend to say that I'm smart enough to realize that the cops are very good at determining what happened during an investigation. Telling entry and exit wounds are dead easy.
It doesn't matter that you think he's gonna avoid your house. It doesn't matter that you practice shooting or how well trained you are. It doesn't matter that you think the criminal is more afraid of you than a cop. It doesn't matter that England has more burglary. Those are just pretty little thoughts that you can think in your head - as you're handing over your wallet and asking him not to hurt you or your family.
Oh, my family is with me? I'm still unmarried with no children, so mom shoots him. Or my father does.
In life, you have two choices - you can choose to be good and do right, lock your doors and windows, get a security system and a safe room, not live the ghetto, and take sensible precautions.
Pretty much. Dogs are the security system, when I build my own house the gun vault in the basement will double as the safe room. I don't live in the ghetto, but violence still occurs outside of them, and one of the sensible precautions I've taken is to obtain and become familiar with a firearm suitable for self-defense.
But also accept that, occasionally, you will be victimized and be helpless to stop it, whether by unfair taxes, or illness and death, or a stock market crash, or a gun stuck in your back as you walk down the street on a saturday night. And find yourself on the upside of life more often than not.
Can't do much about the rest of the stuff, but I can protect myself from the last one. Remember "Condition white"? I try to stay in "Yellow".
Pull the firearm and the robber shoots you before you've had a chance to lock and load. Seriously professional criminals if they belive the target is going to be armed will be equaly
,then i will either disarm you and beat the crap out of you or you will shoot me -Simple as that .
.. eh. Either you shoot me or i shoot you , Either way someone could die ,
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.Why not a non-leathel form of defense.
Umm, I'm 'locked and loaded' while still in bed. Give me a minute and I'll have the gunsafe open and my remington 1187 in hand.
Seriously professional criminals(burglers/thieves at least) tend to AVOID homes like mine. Surveys of criminals in the states show that they're more afraid of encountering an armed victim than a cop. The hot burglary rate(house occupied at the time) in the states is a fraction of that in England.
You come into my house with the intention of shootine me
Well, I wasn't really thinking of shooting you, I was thinking more along the lines of emptying your house of valuables, but ok. Assassination is more difficult to deal with than the random violent thug/burglar. By the way, if I'm not entering the house intending to kill you, resisting unarmed is statistcally the worst thing you can do.
If i have a gun i pull it on your and you pull yours on me. What hapens then
Interesting comma usage, is english your second language? But anyways. Yes, nothing is assured in a gunbattle. Both parties could miss(it happens!), both parties could hit(incapacitation from gunshot wounds can easily take minutes), one party could hit(hopefully the good guy). I practice shooting, most criminals do not. Private citizens who end up using their firearm in self defense 'win' in the majority of cases.
and honestly i couldnt live with that if i took a human life.
That's your decision. On the other hand, I value the life of the criminal far less my own or other innocents life.
I used to work as a bouncer and im fairly well trained in self-defense so perhaps im not a perfect example . though..
And I'm far more trained in the usage of firearms than the average criminal. But I was just suggesting a scenario. You must be a pretty big guy(or at least those are the types hired as bouncers around here), most likely the criminals will nip along the street to grandma's house instead.
Ever hear of prevention being better than cure
Sure. I lock my doors. But I'm not quite at the point of being able to afford polycarbon armored windows and such. I can't live in a shell my entire life. I also go out all the time.
Well if you cant toaly prevent it then why do you want a fatal resolve
I don't. But I want to make sure that I'm the winner in such a conflict. They haven't developed a non-lethal defense that's as effective as a firearm yet. Also, it might seem weird, but having the potential of lethal defense means that I'm less likely to have to use it. After all, what does the rapist have to really fear from a woman who pulls out pepper spray or a tazer? He can just come on. At worst it'll disable him for a little bit. If she pulls out a firearm, he's looking at deadly consquences. At that point, he's far more likely to run or surrender than to continue the assault.
such as a bola gun or net gun.
Too big. One usage.
or how about a some form of spray or a high powerd tazer.
Sprays are not 100%. There is a percentage of population who are immune or can resist it. It's often windy enough here that you'd have to be in arms reach for it to work. Same with the tazer, especially when you consider that the models that are sold to 'civilians' are weaker than the police models. They're one shot, and can become lodged in heavy clothing. Meanwhile any one of my semiautomatic pistols will penetrate any clothing not crossing the li
Fair enough i am totaly against guns for self defense , but not for culls or sport
Ah, so I can just come by with my(homemade if necessary) firearm and you won't have any effective defense?
Tell me, do you think that it's more noble for a woman to be strangled with her own pantyhose than to defend herself with a firearm?
More accuratly, a gun is designed to propel a projectile in a specified direction. The accuracy and power of the gun depends on the design decisions for size, weight, reliability, operation, etc...
The projectile may or may not be designed to kill.
For example, there are beanbag, pepper, and gas rounds designed to be fired from a shotgun. On the other hand, hollow points are designed to expand, helping to ensure maximum energy transmission and disruption of tissue. Softpoints do the same thing, but with more penetration. These are usually used to help insure a humane kill on larger game. FMJ(Full Metal Jacket) is used by the military due to treaty and convention and target shooters due to its inexpensive nature and accuracy. Fragmentary is used in steel target shooting to ensure that the round doesn't deflect back, and to prevent overpenetration (glasers on a plane).
And who says that killing is necessarily bad? You can kill for food (Good), kill for self-defense(Good, some may argue), kill to defend others (IE police, bodyguards), kill to defend property (why should the bank's money be better protected than the female college student?).
And remember, we wouldn't suddenly be peaceful if all the guns went *poof*. We made do with swords, spears, bows, knives, hammers, etc long before guns came along. The difference is that a gun is usable by just about anybody, a physically fit individual doesn't have as great of an advantage when the weapons are guns rather than a sword. You get rid of guns, and we're back to the strong having the run of the weak.
Killing things is usually best left to a (legitimate) government who has the monopoly on legitimate use of force
I'd be reallly careful about that one. What's to say that a Government is legitimate? What's to keep a government that has a monopoly on usage of force from doing various nasty things, like what happened in Germany, Russia, China, Iraw, Afganistan, Africa(various countries), etc?
I prefer the government to have some enforcement capabilities, but for the majority of the power, including that of lethal force, to remain with the public at large. Tends to keep the amount of genocide down when the people can fight back.
It is when you're on a nuclear submarine in the middle of the ocean...
Don't forget: cheap, easily available, non-toxic(in pure form), only mildly corrosive, etc...
I meant [i]said[/i]. While I occasionally get words mixed up, I didn't this time.
400 years of atrocities? This country is only 228 years old(dating from declaration of independance). I suppose you could get 400 years if you include the Portuguese and french colonies in the south, right up to the 1960/70's.
On the other hand, we also had the underground railroad, abolitionist, etc. My familiy was in New York at the time of the civil war.
[i]I really hope you are not trying to equate the admittally horrible experiences
of the Jews in Nazi Germany to the 400 years of atrocities that this country
committed against blacks during Slavery. There is simply no comparision.[/i]
Equate? No. Compare? Yes.
Both groups were made out to be 'subhuman'
Both groups were forced to work
Both groups were denied arms/freedom
Both groups were killed on a whim.
Jews Worse:
5-6 million killed in death camps, whether by gas or worked to death, starved.
Forced to help in the slaughter of their own people in gas chambers
Black Slaves worse:
Longer period of time, denial of basic rights, worked to death over a longer period.
Not really. The Nazis did it. They gradually turned just being Jewish into a crime.
Everything we said about Blacks in the USA back during the period of slavery 'and seperation' was done worse to the Jews in Germany of the time.
Testing has shown that it wouldn't take 10 years. It'd take less than a month.
Another point is that they're matching a known crime gun to crimes, not taking a case and looking up the gun.
The marks vary by ammunition. If they have the gun, they can use similar lots.
[i]DLP on the other hand, gets you somewhat the best of both worlds. It is still CRT driven (quality) and makes headways into burn-in and size, as well as ambient lighting.[/i]
No, DLP is NOT CRT(Cathode Ray Tube) driven. It has "chips" that aligns or deflects small mirrors for the picture.
They do have CRT Projectors, but they're older technology, more expensive, and heavier.
Ummm, they have firewalls that can "attack back". Just check out Sidewinder's strikeback function..
They don't have any right to call up the unorganized militia for foreign service, other than the 'draft'.
If it's any consoldation, If that's your attitude, I don't want you in the U.S. Military either.
Volunteers only, please.
And yes, I read my contract, and know what they can do with me. Stop-loss was not a draft. It was in my contract. Recall of first-term seperators is not a draft, I originally signed up for a 10 year hitch: 4 active, 6 inactive, extendable during time of war or other need. When you retire, part of accepting that retirement package is being part of the "retired reserves". Officers are even more tied in, but given that they have at least a 4 year degree, they should be smart enough to read the print.
And I should note that this wasn't even fine print. The officer stood there and read it to us, and highlighted the relevant passage.
And believe me, we still have a certain amount of "stretch" before we break. Even now, we're in what can be termed 'sustainment' operations. Sure, I think that I'd be happier if we had another numbered army or so. We could do it too. Increase the benefits a little, relax requirements a bit, and remember that the all-volunteer army was once almost twice as large as it is now.
Sure, in a stand up fight the rebels wouldn't have a chance. However, the military very heavily depends on the support of the civilian population. The US Military would barely be able to operate for two months without civilian support. Add in a hostile opposition on our own soil where many of the military members would be rebelling too(remember, they swear to "support and defend the constitution"), and it gets very, very ugly.
For example, a M1 Abrams is a very good tank. It also has less than a 200 mile range on it's internal fuel. You don't bother trying to stop the tank. You simply stop the fuel truck. Like anybody else, a soldier needs food, water, and shelter. Can you see how the citizens can stop the army now?
As far as hunting rifles vs M-16's, a M-16 is only effective out to about 300 yards. A scoped hunting rifle can reach much further, and blow through most body armor. There are more AR-15's in civilian hands than M-16s in military stock. Besides, to convert an AR-15 to select fire is fairly easy if you have plans and a machine shop, and are willing to ignore those laws. If you're willing to ignore the law, the US civilians could very quickly start churning out machine guns, grenades, mines, and RPG's.
Many of the laws also had "grandfather clauses" where if you or your father had voted in the past, you were allowed to vote. And there were "wink-wink nudge-nudge" versions of the test.
There were all sorts of rules implimented after the Civil War to try to "keep the niggers in their place".
Gun control for one. If you look closely, there was all sorts of creative interpretations of that law, down to the sheriffs ignoring the 'good old boys' who were packing heat.
And what happens when you bid out that featureset and the companies get ahold of it and simply make sure that that they exceed that featureset, maybe by a patch?
Beyond 300 yards a good hunting rifle can do quite a bit of good...
back on topic, I don't think that municipal broadband is always a good idea, but a coop can be an excellent idea, especially when commercial services don't want to provide it.
After all, once somebody declares bankruptcy (at least chapter 13), aren't they broke?
The only way somebody should be able to be 'wealthy' after this would be if they have some hugely marketable skill, and if they do, what the heck is judge thinking by letting them write off the debt?