Turning part of it into an advertisement for proprietary software isn't compatible with that.
If there was no commitment to providing a free version later then I would agree; this is a special case. This is the clearest example of RMS simply stating that he will not tolerate programmers attempting to earn a liiving wage off their own work.
Uh-huh. And how many movements have you started?
Is it better to start a movement and then ruin it by acting like a spolit brat to to simply support the movement the spoilt brat started?
That's true of most idealists.
It's also quite true of most rich-kids that have never had to work for a living while receiving adulation for using the time to pursue their hobby.
But he's had more of an effect on the politics and economics of software than just about anyone.
And as long as that effect was positive that was fine.
"Going on" about GNU/Linux or some subtly of the Ghostscript arrangement is very relevant to promoting and protecting our rights to use and modify software.
How? In particular, since GS has always been and, they are claiming, will always continue to be distributed as FREE GPLed software, why is it helpful to generate bad feelings over the authors of that software saying that there is a commercial version available for anyone that doesn't want to wait a year.
Frankly, the whole thing is churlish (and childish) in the extreme. RMS is utterly pathetic and continues to be a drag on the adoption of FREE software by alienating companies and individuals that might otherwise work with the community.
To be blunt: RMS should just fuck off and leave the rest of us to get on with the fight for programmers' and users' rights.
In reality, science is just a highly specialized area of philosophy.
Science is that part of philosophy to which the scientific method can be applied. In that sense the poster is correct: any statement which is inherently impossible to test scientificly may well be philosophical without being scientific and his example of writing a letter is a good one.
Whether the mutiverse is inherently untestable or not is open to question but I would agree that, as things stand today, it is not and therefore is not currently a scientific theory. It may become one someday (a time machine might even allow the letter-writing theory to be tested!).
It must have explanatory power and it must be consistent with the evidence at hand.
And it must be testable. For example: "God hates everyone and threfore he goes around killing them; he will get around to you one day and you will die." fits your requirements but is hardly scientific. On the other hand "God loves me and therefore I will never die." is a scientific theory since I can test it with a gun...
Do you happen to have any evidence to back this up.
If you use Google (try looking for the senate banking committee report 1994) you can find the list of diseases and chemicals which were sold to Iraq after Rumsfeld visited Saddam to check that he was going to use them on the Iranians (which he was). After Rumsfeld's glowing report on how enthusiastic Saddam was about gassing the evil Iranian conscripts the US lifted the restrictions on selling such items to him. West Nile virus, Anthrax and a couple of forms of plague as well as various "dual use" pesticides (Select the number of legs your pest has: 6, 4, or 2).
Interestingly, it is a Bush family tradition to help dictators: Prescott Bush (GW's granddad) was involved in selling Hitler's airforce tetraethyl lead for the production of high-performance fuel, while George was Director of the CIA and helped many of South America's greatest dictators out by supplying them with lists of people they might like to "disappear"; a service the CIA repeated for Saddam under Regan/Bush.
GW's big claim to fame, of course, is that he forced John O'Neil to drop his investigation into the immenent threat to the WTC because it was embarassing to his friends in the BinLaden family (which has had business dealings with the Bush family for three generations now). O'Neil quit and became head of security for the WTC and died a hero's death in 9/11 while Bush wrapped himself in the flag and climbed to new heights of popularity upon the corpses of those he had betrayed.
Point 1: Well, duh! How would such a system work without building a dossier on every American? Answer: it wouldn't. If the terrorists were, say, in the US and taking flying lessions then any system that didn't record Americans would be useless.
Point 2: Well, DUUUUH! Of course they would say its not for that because they wouldn't get the funding. The fact that they put it in as a "FAQ" shows that they're worried about it an/or having it thrown at them as an objection.
But lacking proof, you might as well joing the Area 51/cattle mutilation crowd.
Which would put us in the same crowd as the Pentagon officials that said there were WMD in Iraq. After all, Saddam denied it and the Govt. hasn't found any proof so it must be a big conspiracy theory (ignoring the fact that Rumsfeld sold him the weapons, which he doesn't like to talk about anymore).
Does someone help you get dressed or are you typing in the nude?
Well, then, it's only a matter of time before you have all of these things (apart from the gun laws). You have one vote, the WIPO have billions and theirs have a picture of George Washington on them too.
Perhaps CowboyNeal should just change the "Flamebait" moderation to "I disagree" and have done with it...
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an entirely new authenticating XML based E-Mail protocol.
Oh, Christ - another pointless application of XML. What use is XML in this application? Why do XML users want to add an extra layer of pointless, unreadable, inefficient garbage on top of every single computer application?
Seriously: what would XML contribute to authenticating email?
Just stop buying from Amazon. It's simple: they are stealing your ideas and reducing your chance to make a living from your own work. So perhaps it's not a great idea to KEEP GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY!
They patented selling SOMEONE ELSE'S USED STUFF next to new stuff.
So? I've seen that too in shops run by charity organisations. Big deal. Is that supposed to be a defense?
Ah, well. Now that they've patented auto-completion I'm sure you'll just be orgasmic at the continuing rate of "innovation" at Amazon.
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Intelligent programmers understand that ideas OTHER people come up with are only patentable by those people.
Oop! The one-click patent was a patent on someone else's idea.
Yes, USPTO screws it up every now and again, but there is a system in place for redress.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Who are you? Rip Van Winkle?
Giving someone the option of buying a used item from someone else instead of the new item you're selling, as part of an online ordering system, is *NEW*
No it's not. It used to be quite common in shoe shops and I've seen several mixed new/old bookshops. Oh. I see. You think that taking someone else's old idea and doing a webpage to do the same thing is worth a 20 year control of the market. Interesting. Stupid, but interesting. Except of the interesting bit; I made that up.
Now that Amazon has spent those resources, why should, say, Barnes and Noble get to use the method that Amazon developed for free with little risk?
We could debate the issue if any examples existed but they don't. This has nothing to do with the validity of patents for real inventions. The Amazon patents are all other people's ideas which Bozos has just had the gall to file for. I've nothing against patents on real, physical inventions generally.
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You know nothing about how easy it is to get a patent on an idea in the modern US and you seem to have no idea about the chilling effects of unwarented patents on real thinkers (Oh, Jeff's a genius because he does things shops have been doing for centuries but HE patents them, what a visionary). Jesus, just try thinking about it for a moment. How does it help the economy to send a message to every programmer that anything they do today could be locked up by a trivial patent tomorrow? Perhaps you think we should all patent everything. Perhaps you have some idea as to how we could afford that? Perhaps you have no idea what you are talking about?
He says that database programmers are forced to be very careful about the consistency of their data - well those using MySQL are, but those using Oracle (or any other database with real transactions and real integrity constraints) find it's all taken care of transparently.
So, you're claiming that Oracle makes sure that your design has all the required normal forms for you? Gosh! No wonder it's so expensive!
Sorry, mis-remembered his anti-social activities: he was a drunk driver, not (as far as I know) a wife-beater. So he was only a danger to strangers rather than his family. Same as today, really.
Before he achieved the regime change in Iraq he pledged back in 1998
On the other hand, he didn't tell the FBI and CIA to lay of any and all investigations of rich Saudi families (including at least one investication of the Bin Ladens) in case it was embarassing to his friends. Although Clinton told them to tone it down (for the same reasons), Bush told them to stop everything, even after being told something big was coming. The man that told him this -John O'Neil, deputy head of the FBI - quit and became head of security for the WTC and consequently died when Bush's old-boy's-network bore fruit.
Clinton was a very dubious character but as far as I know he was never actually involved in mass murder. Bush on the other hand failed to act to stop 911 (although he did not know exactly what the threat was, he still thought it less important than helping his oil-friends) and has supported Rumsfeld who was instrumental in getting Saddam his weapons of mass descruction while Bush senior sent people over to help Saddam "calibrate" those weapons which he was using to gas Iranians and would later use on his own people.
never managed to get round the Senate's unanimous (95-0) rejection of his beloved Kyoto treaty
Which just shows that the Senate can be as bad as any President when it puts it's mind to it.
Personally, for my choice as president, I'll rather have a man with an IQ of 129 that has excellent intrapersonal/leadership skills and the abillity (and humillity) to suround himself with advisors smarter than him over an egotistical "I'll do it all myself" type with an IQ of 180.
Too right. If you ever hear of such a candidate I'd suggest voting for him or her and get the current retarded red-neck criminal draft-dodging lying wife-beating hypocritical usurper and his money-laundering, weapon selling, oil sucking, evil, vicious, dishonest, corporate-controled cronies out of power ASAP.
So? Microsoft are trying to cultivate Asia, that's why Bill went over personally earlier this year. It's not FUD, it's a pretty well-documented fact. It's not even an anti-MS statement; what's your problem?
Those were Dr Dre's words to Greg Palast (as reported in "The Best Democracy Moeny Can Buy") when asked about his suing of Napster to pay for infringing on his "intellectual property rights".
I DO hope the Doctor is enjoying his own medicine.
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If there was no commitment to providing a free version later then I would agree; this is a special case. This is the clearest example of RMS simply stating that he will not tolerate programmers attempting to earn a liiving wage off their own work.
Uh-huh. And how many movements have you started?
Is it better to start a movement and then ruin it by acting like a spolit brat to to simply support the movement the spoilt brat started?
That's true of most idealists.
It's also quite true of most rich-kids that have never had to work for a living while receiving adulation for using the time to pursue their hobby.
But he's had more of an effect on the politics and economics of software than just about anyone.
And as long as that effect was positive that was fine.
TWW
How? In particular, since GS has always been and, they are claiming, will always continue to be distributed as FREE GPLed software, why is it helpful to generate bad feelings over the authors of that software saying that there is a commercial version available for anyone that doesn't want to wait a year.
Frankly, the whole thing is churlish (and childish) in the extreme. RMS is utterly pathetic and continues to be a drag on the adoption of FREE software by alienating companies and individuals that might otherwise work with the community.
To be blunt: RMS should just fuck off and leave the rest of us to get on with the fight for programmers' and users' rights.
TWW
Science is that part of philosophy to which the scientific method can be applied. In that sense the poster is correct: any statement which is inherently impossible to test scientificly may well be philosophical without being scientific and his example of writing a letter is a good one.
Whether the mutiverse is inherently untestable or not is open to question but I would agree that, as things stand today, it is not and therefore is not currently a scientific theory. It may become one someday (a time machine might even allow the letter-writing theory to be tested!).
It must have explanatory power and it must be consistent with the evidence at hand.
And it must be testable. For example: "God hates everyone and threfore he goes around killing them; he will get around to you one day and you will die." fits your requirements but is hardly scientific. On the other hand "God loves me and therefore I will never die." is a scientific theory since I can test it with a gun...
TWW
If you use Google (try looking for the senate banking committee report 1994) you can find the list of diseases and chemicals which were sold to Iraq after Rumsfeld visited Saddam to check that he was going to use them on the Iranians (which he was). After Rumsfeld's glowing report on how enthusiastic Saddam was about gassing the evil Iranian conscripts the US lifted the restrictions on selling such items to him. West Nile virus, Anthrax and a couple of forms of plague as well as various "dual use" pesticides (Select the number of legs your pest has: 6, 4, or 2).
Interestingly, it is a Bush family tradition to help dictators: Prescott Bush (GW's granddad) was involved in selling Hitler's airforce tetraethyl lead for the production of high-performance fuel, while George was Director of the CIA and helped many of South America's greatest dictators out by supplying them with lists of people they might like to "disappear"; a service the CIA repeated for Saddam under Regan/Bush.
GW's big claim to fame, of course, is that he forced John O'Neil to drop his investigation into the immenent threat to the WTC because it was embarassing to his friends in the BinLaden family (which has had business dealings with the Bush family for three generations now). O'Neil quit and became head of security for the WTC and died a hero's death in 9/11 while Bush wrapped himself in the flag and climbed to new heights of popularity upon the corpses of those he had betrayed.
TWW
Point 1: Well, duh! How would such a system work without building a dossier on every American? Answer: it wouldn't. If the terrorists were, say, in the US and taking flying lessions then any system that didn't record Americans would be useless.
Point 2: Well, DUUUUH! Of course they would say its not for that because they wouldn't get the funding. The fact that they put it in as a "FAQ" shows that they're worried about it an/or having it thrown at them as an objection.
But lacking proof, you might as well joing the Area 51/cattle mutilation crowd.
Which would put us in the same crowd as the Pentagon officials that said there were WMD in Iraq. After all, Saddam denied it and the Govt. hasn't found any proof so it must be a big conspiracy theory (ignoring the fact that Rumsfeld sold him the weapons, which he doesn't like to talk about anymore).
Does someone help you get dressed or are you typing in the nude?
TWW
Well, then, it's only a matter of time before you have all of these things (apart from the gun laws). You have one vote, the WIPO have billions and theirs have a picture of George Washington on them too.
TWW
Perhaps CowboyNeal should just change the "Flamebait" moderation to "I disagree" and have done with it...
Oh, Christ - another pointless application of XML. What use is XML in this application? Why do XML users want to add an extra layer of pointless, unreadable, inefficient garbage on top of every single computer application?
Seriously: what would XML contribute to authenticating email?
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So? I've seen that too in shops run by charity organisations. Big deal. Is that supposed to be a defense?
Ah, well. Now that they've patented auto-completion I'm sure you'll just be orgasmic at the continuing rate of "innovation" at Amazon.
TWW
Oop! The one-click patent was a patent on someone else's idea.
Yes, USPTO screws it up every now and again, but there is a system in place for redress.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Who are you? Rip Van Winkle?
Giving someone the option of buying a used item from someone else instead of the new item you're selling, as part of an online ordering system, is *NEW*
No it's not. It used to be quite common in shoe shops and I've seen several mixed new/old bookshops. Oh. I see. You think that taking someone else's old idea and doing a webpage to do the same thing is worth a 20 year control of the market. Interesting. Stupid, but interesting. Except of the interesting bit; I made that up.
Now that Amazon has spent those resources, why should, say, Barnes and Noble get to use the method that Amazon developed for free with little risk?
We could debate the issue if any examples existed but they don't. This has nothing to do with the validity of patents for real inventions. The Amazon patents are all other people's ideas which Bozos has just had the gall to file for. I've nothing against patents on real, physical inventions generally.
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So, you're claiming that Oracle makes sure that your design has all the required normal forms for you? Gosh! No wonder it's so expensive!
TWW
MP3 is obsolete and has been for years, use Ogg. That's my tip!
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You're forgetting lawyers. Tony Blair is a lawyer...
On the other hand, he didn't tell the FBI and CIA to lay of any and all investigations of rich Saudi families (including at least one investication of the Bin Ladens) in case it was embarassing to his friends. Although Clinton told them to tone it down (for the same reasons), Bush told them to stop everything, even after being told something big was coming. The man that told him this -John O'Neil, deputy head of the FBI - quit and became head of security for the WTC and consequently died when Bush's old-boy's-network bore fruit.
Clinton was a very dubious character but as far as I know he was never actually involved in mass murder. Bush on the other hand failed to act to stop 911 (although he did not know exactly what the threat was, he still thought it less important than helping his oil-friends) and has supported Rumsfeld who was instrumental in getting Saddam his weapons of mass descruction while Bush senior sent people over to help Saddam "calibrate" those weapons which he was using to gas Iranians and would later use on his own people.
never managed to get round the Senate's unanimous (95-0) rejection of his beloved Kyoto treaty
Which just shows that the Senate can be as bad as any President when it puts it's mind to it.
TWW
Are you totally mad? Eastenders is bilge.
Too right. If you ever hear of such a candidate I'd suggest voting for him or her and get the current retarded red-neck criminal draft-dodging lying wife-beating hypocritical usurper and his money-laundering, weapon selling, oil sucking, evil, vicious, dishonest, corporate-controled cronies out of power ASAP.
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I agree.
I could have done with maybe a couple fewer discussions of, well, wanking
I heartily agree!
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Now't wrong wi' Dr Suss, my lad.
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So? Microsoft are trying to cultivate Asia, that's why Bill went over personally earlier this year. It's not FUD, it's a pretty well-documented fact. It's not even an anti-MS statement; what's your problem?
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I DO hope the Doctor is enjoying his own medicine.
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