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RedHat, Fujitsu Enter Into Marketing Agreement
andyring writes "According to Cnet, RedHat and Fujitsu signed a partership agreement where the companies will jointly develop and market for Fujitsu's products. Fujitsu hs a strong presence in Asia, a place Microsoft has been trying to cultivate."
arn't fujistu supposed to be McNeally's buddies?
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Used to be when you bought floppy disks, sometimes you could get a bonus floppy disk that had a MS entertainment pack on it.
:)
Imagine all hard disks coming preloaded with a self-configuring Linux distro. That would be cool.
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only hope that fujitsu have improved their hardware choices. they were our standard platform for years before we moved to dell, on the basis that nothing would ever be recognised with the exact drivers that shipped with the system. Video cards being the worst... and we all know what linux is like with odd hardware... or is that just my mate and his new laptop. did he swear.....
This could be a very good for linux....it provides a very large scale devlopment enviornment for linux...and lead to more submissions, and review of code...not to mention more discoverys of bad design and security holes...
maybe redhat will find out that by having everything tunred on by defaut, and having to work for 2 hours to turn it all off really pisses off sysadmins.
I've been finding redhat to be a progressivly more and more annyoing linux distro, but this could be their chance to turn things around. Personally i opt for gentoo....small, secure, and works very well. With the amount of attention they will get from devlopment with this, Red hat could follow that line.
at the very least i hope they will get rid of the "rpm hell" that people go thru when you go to upgrade major components.
can be summarised as:
1. Providing RHCE certfication exams, and certs.
2. Poor or no mirrors for downloading distros.
3. Little or no support offerings for their products.
4. Few relationshipd with h/w vendors that matter in Asia.
Only the last is being addressed here. Even little known firms like Turbo Linux have a huge base in Asia, by virtue of having strong support base and relationships.
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Tried it out on a RH 7.3 as well as RH 8.0 system:
;-)
250 localhost.localdomain Hello porthos [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
debug
500 5.5.1 Command unrecognized: "debug"
Nice try.
I've had nothing but trouble getting linux to work on the three fujitsu laptops that I've owned.
But, at the same time, maybe this means we'll be able to buy laptops with linux pre-installed again, which would be a wonderful wonderful thing.
Maybe I'll have to consider fujitsu laptops again, so long as they're not still twice the price of an equivalent Compaq...
Isn't Fujitsu the company that ruined their name with all those faulty harddrives? Why would Redhat even entertain the notion of a business agreement, so close after such a major image disaster (que harddrive/"image" pun)?
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I remember Fujitsu being one the first PC companies adding BeOS to their PCs in Japan during the brief glorious of BeOS a few years back. I can't find the story now but it was quite big for the small BeOS community.
this has been fixed for years. although interestingly, cheswick and bellovin rewrote the mailer to respond to this attack, but the commands are mailed to the admin. it was released with System V, and is demonstrated in their 'berferd' incident.
A side effect of this could well be to reduce the variability of hardware and drivers - if only because the lack of specific drivers makes linux less forgiving of random throwing together of components. They'll HAVE to try harder if they want it to work.
Paul "Say no to feeping creaturism"
Are we speaking of this world region where 1 licence is usually enough to cover the needs of thousands of servers ? THE Place where information, if not free, comes dirt cheap at 1$/cd ?
And you tell me Microsoft is trying to cultivate it's business there ?
You mean, they sold a cluster and asked themselves why they didn't get that second Advanced Server Licence Order ? 8p
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Nice try. ;-)
;-)
Yeah and you fell for it... stop feeding the trolls
either that, or we'll see a lot more drivers being developed, which is a good thing as well. But lets hope the people with the resources (ie. fujitsu) take the lead first... the OS crowd have better things to do at the mo'..
In that case I must say that Microsoft has been fairly successful: the economy of several Asian countries is primarily agricultural...
Fujitsu have strong presence in EMEA, like Fujitsu-Siemens.
Microsoft will never expand very well into Asia, they will be stopped by these people first. http://www.samuraiwar.com/page.php?x=2166 Microsoft's main consumer base is because they have no other option they are familiar with. In asia it's the opposite. Microsoft is Linux (The new Guy) and the Asian OSs are Microsoft. Oh my god... did I just say Microsoft was Linux?! Forgive me Linus! Forgive me! *Cuts his wrists*
The post says "Fujitsu hs a strong presence in Asia, a place Microsoft has been trying to cultivate."
;-)
The article states "While Fujitsu lacks those competitors' market share, it does have a strong position in Asia, where Red Hat is trying to expand."
The article doesn't mention Microsoft.
Looks like someone woke up hating Microsoft today. (I know. This is shashdot. What do I expect?). This just strikes me as unneeded FUD generating bullshit. Of course, I'm a little grumpy myself. I need more coffee.
What? Companies want to sell software? In other news, the sky is blue, the sun is hot, and sex is enjoyable.
I know this post is against slashdot custom. It doesn't bash microsoft, and it implies that a slashdot member has gone outdoors and has even *gasp!* actually had sex!
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Well with any luck this will help RedHat get ever more big iron support. ATM it has support from SGI in the shape of the Altix which scales to 64 CPU's using Itaniums 2's. TBH though I'm not sure of Futitsu marketing at the high end.
The only think I would like to see improved is RPM in being able to handel downloads and upgrades better rather than having to use apt-rpm. However good on them and good luck for the future
Rus
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This is the more interesting part of the story. Fujitsu are going to pay for some engineers to work at RedHat offices, improving "performance, stability and the ability to run on large servers with heavy processing loads."
I am very encouraged by the number of companies prepared to take this step, bearing in mind that the GPL forces them to make the changes available for everyone.
I've long been puzzled as to why a company should pay for improvements to a system, if they then have to make these available to their competitors. I think perhaps there are two reasons. First, Linux is not Windows. Making Linux a better competitor to Windows helps Fujitsu more than they are hurt by having to give code away.
Secondly, companies focus on their own area. A company that makes, for example, 8-way AMD servers would focus on that area. Their competitors would have access to the code for running well on 8-way AMD servers, but if they don't make them it doesn't help.
Dude... it's "Ka Ci".... (or so was the most recent version, anyway).
" Are we speaking of this world region where 1 licence is usually enough to cover the needs of thousands of servers ?"
Asians pay exactly what their devalued currencies permit their conscience.
"THE Place where information, if not free, comes dirt cheap at 1$/cd ?"
Actually, $1/cd is a bit high. About 30 cents is the current going price.
"And you tell me Microsoft is trying to cultivate it's business there ?"
Coupla' months ago, His Billness spent 4 days in Asia, wooing Indians to buy his 'visionary' Tablet PC... he also apparently arm-twisted a few big firms there into taking off Linux from their offerings.
Asia is home to nearly half the World population. It's a huge market for anyone to ignore.
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
Open Source in general can use all the (competent) help it can get - and Fujitsu seems to be contributing development resources. This will help the Red Hat distros in particular, but also linux in general.
And Fujitsu can only benefit from supplying servers that run a reliable and cost-effective O/S. Increasing their reliability factor can only be a good thing after the disk problems you mention.
Paul "Say no to feeping creaturism"
Strange, I own a laptop of Fujitsu-Siemens and Linux (Redhat 8) has no problems with the hardware. Even sound, etc works great out of the box. And it's a very cheap model (Liteline 5133 I think)..
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/. man! Geez! ;^P
:^)
Hey! Whoa! Stop that man! What are you thinking? What are you doing! This is
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(Hint for moderators: No, 's not a troll, I am 'extracting the urine'
Take off every Linux! For great Bill!
Fujitsu hs a strong presence in Asia, a place Microsoft has been trying to cultivate.
From the Article:
it does have a strong position in Asia, where Red Hat is trying to expand.
I know this is Slashdot, but modification of the article line to mention Microsoft(incorrectly) in the story just for attracting readers is not doing a great deal to improve anything. I like to bash Microsoft with jokes once in a while, but notes like this one are to be criticized, IMHO.
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Now that's a laugh. Microsoft does not try to cultivate. Microsoft tries to absorb all available nutrients by force, reconstituting any remaining inert materials into organic compounds if possible, and then extracting those as well.
And it does this everywhere.
I like what RedHat did - and what Fujitsu did even more. Looks like buyers of Fujitsu servers can expect good hardware support on Linux-based systems. I'm impressed that Fujitsu hired RedHat to do the work, and I'm equally impressed that RedHat had the brains to seek out a new revenue source.
I'm not sure this article has much to do with the SCO situation though.
-- $G
RedHat is also the number 1 Linux brand with partnerships with some big players.
Yes I'm sure the desktop version does have vulnerabilities, this is probably why they also do high server products which you have to buy.
Maybe Fujitsu support Primecluster on RedHat Enterprise Linux AS?.
This product is one of the Oracle RAC architecture certified but only with Solaris.
"Imagine all hard disks coming preloaded with a self-configuring Linux distro. That would be cool."
Yeah, and being familiar with real-world (not claimed) MTBF rates for Fujitsu hard drives, you will get to experience that coolness over and over again.
Talisman
"Study your math, kids. Key to the universe." -The Archangel Gabriel
Here is a news release to announce that they will update server line-up with new SPARC compatible 1.35 GHz CPU in an attempt to take back No1 spot of TPC-C benchmark.
Fujitsu's CEO Mr. Akikusa has recently predicted that every chip will finally implement Linux.
The bad thing is Fujitsu is another Japanese company struggling to come back to be profitable.
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"maybe redhat will find out that by having everything tunred on by defaut, and having to work for 2 hours to turn it all off really pisses off sysadmins."
The same thing can be said about Windows machines, especially from Win2K forward. They are highly configurable, if you know wtf you are doing, and the MS defaults are often insecure, useless or just annoying. SP3 addresses many issues, but it still requires lots of registry tweaking and time spent using the Admin tools to get everything *just* right.
So what I do is have one IMAGE machine that is always kept *perfectly* tweaked, with all the latest patches, bug fixes, upgrades, etc. installed, so when we get a new machine or one of the existing ones takes a dump, I just Ghost the tweaked machine and 5 minutes later, the workstation is good-to-go.
The same can be done for Red Hat machines.
Talisman
"Study your math, kids. Key to the universe." -The Archangel Gabriel
GPL forces them to make the changes available for everyone.
No it doesn't. If I take GPL code and use it in my company I don't have to realse it to anyone.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
That's a shame. In the years I worked in sales and tech support for a computer store in Florida we considered Fujitsu the RMA king because they had such a high percentage of new drives that were DOA. We eventually stopped offering Fujitsu drives.
They could sell far more if they allowed you to purchase them without Microsoft products on them. It would be great if this new partnership allowed them to experiment with selling machines with RedHat preinstalled.
"First you get the Linux, then you get the power, THEN you get the women"
Often one gets the impression that all Japanese (mega) corporations are all alike, the monster grade zaibatsu of cyberpunk litterature. Even Western financial companies gets this wrong; I have gotten badly """researched""" prospectus from my bank on investing in Japan and have seen this many other places.
That is not quite the case.
Up to WWII zaibatsu (no plural "S" in Japanese...) were a damper on initiative; many thought that if X was a good idea the zaibatsu would have been doing it already; hence it had to be a bad idea. Enter the US, opening the country with the subtlety on a can-opener. One of the things they succeeded in for a long while was to break up the zaibatsu as an anti trust measure and then you got the right ecology for the new generation fast acting, innovative companies like Sony and Fujitsu.
OK, so the parts of the zaibatsu merged, terminator 2 style (though with more subtlety) and they are more or less back...
Anyway, Fujitsu is and remains a company that wants to cultivate innovation and actually goes so far as to say they want people outside the concensus-building norm of Japan. They have openings for foreigners and in spite of current financial climate might very well be an opportunity for sending in a job application to for non-Japanese.
So seeing them wanting to enter the world of Linux, deep end, is then no surprise.
s/Fujitsu/Hitachi/
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Linux is starting to suffer a fate that I feared was coming for a long time. It's no longer cool.
It was, for a time, cool to run Linux because it was the only fully POSIX (depending on how rigorous your POSIX definition was) OS for home computers that had all of the usual bells and whistles (X, GNU tools, etc) that also had freely available source.
386BSD came along at about the same time, but was really only usable a bit after Linux so Linux got a bit of a mind-share head start (otherwise we'd all be running one of the BSDs by now).
Today, progress on Mach still continues under Darwin; HURD is moving to a new Microkernel that's much smaller and "hipper"; Open/NetBSD have adopted a very promising new VM model; and worst of all (in terms of Linux's geek appeal) Linux is a massive corporate success in dozens of large niches.
This is a huge win for the Free Software cause, but for Linux it means that the now super-broad OS is starting to show its faults. There are very few people who currently seem to be thinking about the big picture in terms of how the whole OS works in any given incarnation. Worse, the hack-value of making the bettter diver for hardware XYZ has reduced significantly, and most of the kernel work I see happening is not on tuning older drivers for new versions so much as incorporating brand new and interesting hardware, or working on kernel-wide systems like VM, security or scheduling
Red Hat's partnership with hardware companies like Fujitsu (maker of laptops, hard drives and more) is excellent because it brings the hardware vendors to the table to pick up some of that slack and frees Red Hat developers to focus on the big picture. Much as they've taken heat for it, RH has done a lot of good in thinking of the dekstop as a whole rather than as a potential spot to plug in vendors A, B or C (or should I say G, K or W). What they need to do now is keep moving down the chain. Standardize all of the system documentation on ONE format and convert everything to it (personally, I recommend a modified POD, which is what Perl uses, and could easily be modified to produce useful texi and Gnome SGML, while it already produces man, text and HTML). IMHO "man foo" and "info foo" and bringing up the Gnome help viewer should all give access in one, consistent (though UI-distinct) way with the same, complete documentation. Why isn't that the case? Because no one has time to work at that level (Kudos to the LFS people for taking up my challenge on that point last week, and starting to work on a port of the OpenBSD man pages to the Linux tools!)
Linux is becoming quite a communism magnet isnt it.
That doesn't appear to be stopping SCO.
I don't need no stinkin' tablet PC. Give me a teeny-tiny laptop that (a) runs linux, (b) generates sufficiently little heat that I can actually put it on my lap, and (c) has easy and flexible pointing device options.
My guess is it's some kind of tree.
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I'm smarter than the average bear.
I know I called fujitsu in several occasions, and I even emailed them asking for them to support Linux as an operating system with their laptops, or to at least offer a laptop for sale that doesn't provide an operating system.
The downside is I already sold my fujitsu laptop out of frustration and bought a powerbook.
- tristan
I have a Fujitsu P-series, and it is a d*amn sweet machine. Just installed RH9 on it, and it blows major chunks (sound broken, XFree86 broken, i8253 timer problems up the wazoo...). I'd love to see these two play better together...
-nik