Your question probably has the US market as starting point, like in Europe it is very common to buy the phone and then shop around for a plan. This phone would fit such nicely, which makes me wonder why people outside of the UK have to pay $30 (US!) extra for shipping. This is something the average EU Joe understands
I've never had a phone as part of a plan, halfway through the contract these subsidised phones get expensive.
Yes I'd love a phone that's not tied to Google and does run an unrestricted version of Linux plus a somewhat regular Linux desktop.
The GNU/Linux environment has so much nice software on offer and being able to just install it via an apt-get is for me The Killer.
My present Nexus-4 is only months old but because of the shortcomings of Android and the attraction of Linux I'm seriously contemplating signing in on this deal
I mentioned it is hard on man and machine and yes I've been aboard something similar regarding design and instability, the Zeus of AlfonsHakans.fi, designed as a ice-breaking harbour tug but abused as a taxi in the North Sea.
Conventional ice breaking is done by the weight of the ship, the shape of the bow allows them to slide on top of it and once far enough the ice underneath will break, doing this sideways will be rather nasty for the stomach of the sailors on board.
Providing they have the horsepower it can be done in a relatively smooth way or they need to regularly back up for a new run onto the ice.
The ship in the article is 'only' fit for up to 60 cm. in sideways and 100 cm. of ice in regular mode, not exactly a lot of obstruction when you consider the typical ice sheet north of Russia is between 1.2 and 2.5 m. thick.
Today I booted up the WinXP partition on a netbook that normally runs Kubuntu, last time was over a year ago and I thought why not update now it's still possible.
Java popped up explaining there was an update and I let it install.
Once the install was done I was surprised by being asked my permission to run a check on the Java website, I was even given the option to tick a box to 'always trust Java from this publisher'.
Does the latest Java version now have such a site by site or publisher dependent protection build in?
Card usage may be common in parts of the EU but it's typically Debit Cards.
Like here in The Netherlands it's hard to find a regular store that would accept a credit card because of the 3-4% charges they would incur.
There even are a few stores that will not accept cash because the handling of and security for having cash is costing more than the easy transfer from a debit card.
Over here you need to be exceptionally dumb to not pay off credit on your credit card by month's end, the interest is criminal so the contract usually specifies an automatic transfer at months' end from your bank to the card company.
I don't know where you read anything in this or or posts of mine about me feeling entitled and I even more don't get your opinion in future there'll never be anything this close to my wishes than this Ubuntu Edge.
I think my message is very clear, I am prepared to spend good money for a a phone with a regular, thus open, GNU/Linux system and that's much more than a Linux kernel with Android or so.
If a company is brave enough to sell such hardware they can do it either with or without an OS, if the HW is worth it others will step in with the OS.
As many others I'm a firm believer in open source software and as some others I'm quite willing to pay for it.
Again many accept without discussion that Firmware is proprietary but at the same time they demand the software to be open, I am not so much against having a few proprietary blobs for drivers and things like the SDR, all depending on a well defined interface with said blob or firmware.
There were great hopes around the Nokia N900 development even though it too had it's closed sections.
What I DO want is to be able to run a mature GNU/Linux (likely a KDE flavour but I'd give Unity a chance) on my devices so all the well known (and tested!) applications can be ported easily, Android just doesn't hack it.
This latest news from Mark brings me closer to wanting an Edge but more assurance is needed.
You are overlooking the finer points and they count!
TCP/IP, USB and all such things are strictly regulated, they're called standards (or rfc's etc.) and something needs to be standards compliant to fit in the system.
Hell, the word 'system' has it in it, you're either in and you can play or you're out to find your own game.
Going on about cars on dirt paths, what about the regulation we all drive on the same side of that road, where are the vested interest?
Give it a try, a tiny sensor and lens combination does have a great depth of field, would such a system shrink to the size of a single point you'd have a perfect depth of field.
I have the Nikon D800 that takes 36.3 MP pictures and using Gwenview in Linux of Irfanview in Windows I can very happily and without noticeable delay scroll through a large number of these photo's, hell even the Windows picture viewer doesn't choke on it!
Now I did try to watch these pictures on my Nexus-4 and Nexus-7 and that's not exactly a pleasure, there I'd be glad with the 5 MP copies.
Interesting is the statement VW was informed about the problem nine months ago and Dutch Government/Jurisprudence finds 6 months of silence already sufficient.
You mean to say the highest law of the land is written according to current German law, "what isn't explicitly allowed is verboten"?
Although Dutch law is going the wrong way we still try to follow the principle that all is legal unless it is specifically forbidden and my impression is the USofA constitution is largely following the same (French revolution) libertarian path.
It seems the Ubuntu Edge is trying to answer that question by being both.
As electronics get smaller it is now possible to build the power of a computer in the form factor of a phone and there is a market for it.
Of course it remains to be seen if Canonical will get to it's US$32 million in 21 days from now...
I can easily predict this is only the first of such offerings, I sincerely hope it will be a Linux device that is successful and not an MS-Nokia.
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You must have set Google to Safe Browsing...
And/or he grew up with and is accustomed to a Moon cycle based calender?
Still doesn't explain how it (in a market leading company) got past peer review...
This is something the average EU Joe understands
I've never had a phone as part of a plan, halfway through the contract these subsidised phones get expensive.
Yes I'd love a phone that's not tied to Google and does run an unrestricted version of Linux plus a somewhat regular Linux desktop.
The GNU/Linux environment has so much nice software on offer and being able to just install it via an apt-get is for me The Killer.
My present Nexus-4 is only months old but because of the shortcomings of Android and the attraction of Linux I'm seriously contemplating signing in on this deal
Like on day one I would install KDE. :)
Seldom have I had a worse ride...
http://www.alfonshakans.fi/fleetbase/info/fleet/2/more
Providing they have the horsepower it can be done in a relatively smooth way or they need to regularly back up for a new run onto the ice.
The ship in the article is 'only' fit for up to 60 cm. in sideways and 100 cm. of ice in regular mode, not exactly a lot of obstruction when you consider the typical ice sheet north of Russia is between 1.2 and 2.5 m. thick.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-09/russia-building-worlds-largest-nuclear-powered-icebreaker
Java popped up explaining there was an update and I let it install.
Once the install was done I was surprised by being asked my permission to run a check on the Java website, I was even given the option to tick a box to 'always trust Java from this publisher'.
Does the latest Java version now have such a site by site or publisher dependent protection build in?
Like here in The Netherlands it's hard to find a regular store that would accept a credit card because of the 3-4% charges they would incur.
There even are a few stores that will not accept cash because the handling of and security for having cash is costing more than the easy transfer from a debit card.
Over here you need to be exceptionally dumb to not pay off credit on your credit card by month's end, the interest is criminal so the contract usually specifies an automatic transfer at months' end from your bank to the card company.
See my sig:)
You can simply choose not to buy a Secure Boot implementation etc.
He said simply...
Mark's remarks from the original article get very close to my and many other's wishes but more clarification is needed.
I think my message is very clear, I am prepared to spend good money for a a phone with a regular, thus open, GNU/Linux system and that's much more than a Linux kernel with Android or so.
If a company is brave enough to sell such hardware they can do it either with or without an OS, if the HW is worth it others will step in with the OS.
Again many accept without discussion that Firmware is proprietary but at the same time they demand the software to be open, I am not so much against having a few proprietary blobs for drivers and things like the SDR, all depending on a well defined interface with said blob or firmware.
There were great hopes around the Nokia N900 development even though it too had it's closed sections.
What I DO want is to be able to run a mature GNU/Linux (likely a KDE flavour but I'd give Unity a chance) on my devices so all the well known (and tested!) applications can be ported easily, Android just doesn't hack it.
This latest news from Mark brings me closer to wanting an Edge but more assurance is needed.
TCP/IP, USB and all such things are strictly regulated, they're called standards (or rfc's etc.) and something needs to be standards compliant to fit in the system.
Hell, the word 'system' has it in it, you're either in and you can play or you're out to find your own game.
Going on about cars on dirt paths, what about the regulation we all drive on the same side of that road, where are the vested interest?
Which is considering the number of pixels of the image very little.
Give it a try, a tiny sensor and lens combination does have a great depth of field, would such a system shrink to the size of a single point you'd have a perfect depth of field.
Personally I like these types of camera's for extreme close-ups or macro photo's, precisely because of the huge depth of field.
No one in his right mind would use these camera's for a nice bokeh.
I have the Nikon D800 that takes 36.3 MP pictures and using Gwenview in Linux of Irfanview in Windows I can very happily and without noticeable delay scroll through a large number of these photo's, hell even the Windows picture viewer doesn't choke on it!
Now I did try to watch these pictures on my Nexus-4 and Nexus-7 and that's not exactly a pleasure, there I'd be glad with the 5 MP copies.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/21769604/__NL_se_vinding_geblokkeerd__.html
Form the University site: http://www.ru.nl/english/general/news_agenda/news/@895890/radboud-university-0/
Interesting is the statement VW was informed about the problem nine months ago and Dutch Government/Jurisprudence finds 6 months of silence already sufficient.
You need to be moderated 'Funny'.
Is it normal market behavior to deliberately disobey the instructions of the people paying you?
Uhhh, who is here making the money for who?
Or are you guys subsidising your Chinese office?
You mean to say the highest law of the land is written according to current German law, "what isn't explicitly allowed is verboten"?
Although Dutch law is going the wrong way we still try to follow the principle that all is legal unless it is specifically forbidden and my impression is the USofA constitution is largely following the same (French revolution) libertarian path.
As electronics get smaller it is now possible to build the power of a computer in the form factor of a phone and there is a market for it.
Of course it remains to be seen if Canonical will get to it's US$32 million in 21 days from now...
I can easily predict this is only the first of such offerings, I sincerely hope it will be a Linux device that is successful and not an MS-Nokia.
And how many make their money editing photo's at a level that requires Photoshop?
Besides, the interface of Photoshop is quite alien to those that grew up using Gimp.
Heh, thanks for the tip, after de-maximising the browser it becomes a 'regular' page.
If only for the odd sideways-scrolling :)