Interesting that you default to people wanting to delete their comments rather than say simply changing their view given new information and standing by their original comment given the information they had at the time.
Who said anything about rushing? That's an assumption you're making because a mistake has been made. Rushing leads to mistakes, but not all mistakes are caused by rushing.
Fine grained parallelism does not have anything to do with if something is better or worse to do on a CPU than a GPU. But since you're all insults and no substance I'm sure you realised that a while back too. But whatever I'll go down to your level.
Oh and this part ""I have cores" != "I can do anything you can do" that is just fundamentally wrong.
Oh wow. I can't believe you called me stupid and then wrote a line like that when we were discussing performance. Tell you what, go dig out the old Turing machine (which as I think I may need to point out to you anyway is actually Turing complete), have it process your Slashdot reply and then report back on the stupidity of your comment.
The purpose of DRM is to prevent people from redistributing and restrict the ways copying happens. So if people are still able to do this, then the purpose of DRM has been defeated, causing the DRM to be pointless. So the answer, also in my last post, is "no".
And yet you still didn't answer the question. The question has a premise that is linked to a certain time window around the release date. Any answer you give that doesn't include this premise isn't answering the question. This premise comes through even if you take that question out of context of the rest of the paragraph, context that includes phrases like "sale day advantage of DRM".
You're still talking about DRM in a general case, an answer that presents a different economic proposition when compared with a time element.
Man, you lost all possibilities of respect from this community here on slashdot with that comment. You simply need to look up DRM and when it started.
Actually with your reading comprehension skills I think it's your respect that is going downhill here. You continue to ignore the time bounds of the question even as you read my clearly time bounded response. Given that I just posted an article with references to DRM from many years ago and said in my reply to you "this is a very new trend" I would have thought that you'd start to release there is something fundamentally in the discussion you're missing. Unless that is you can point me to where Wikipedia says that companies have been defeating their own DRM efforts through early release of titles to people who pre-order games. Go ahead, look that one up on Wikipedia while you ponder what it is that we're actually discussing here and how you have managed to waste so much time typing without even understanding what it is that is being discussed.
And you desperately need to understand the differences between a CPU and a GPU in the way that their processing actually works. Or you need to go home and spin up 1500 VMs using only a single core on your graphics card. Good luck getting that to boot before Christmas.
"I have cores" != "I can do anything you can do" and regardless of how parallel your application gets they will not necessarily run faster or better on a GPU, a specific device designed to run a very VERY specific subset of instructions compared to a GPU.
Nope. A couple of angry nerds care, and a couple of system administrators of large virtual servers care. If there is one thing that has been made 100% clear by people, their reaction to this, Intel's shareprice, Intel's marketshare, it's that people in the general case to mean the vast majority of computers users, most definitely do NOT care.
How do you differentiate between a legitimate repair and an evil maid "repair"?
Ask Apple. They seem to be doing just that. But you fundamentally miss my point. You don't have a loss of security in this regard. Just because you're not locked out of the system doesn't mean security is lower. All that needs to happen is that you be made aware that your device has been tampered with.
Your firewall also doesn't set fire to your building everytime a sketchy looking packet comes through. At least I hope not, as amusing as that would be.
so what, it's an unknown version of operating system a windows box runs with unknown capabilities.
Not at all. There's no capability differences between the releases of Windows 10 1809. The list of features are identical regardless of the minor versioning behind it, and are different from the version which came prior to it: 1804.
If you're confused then you must be intentionally confusing yourself.
I didn't lift a finger for a new car appeared in my garage.
I bet your wallet did.
I didn't lift a finger for TLS 1.2 to appear on my web server. I didn't lift a finger for TLS 1.2 to appear on my web server. I didn't lift a finger for QUIC to appear on my web server.
Indeed. Software is easy, kind of my point.
I didn't lift a finger for IPv6 to appear on my network.
I bet your wallet did and that you also got very lucky with your causality.
I didn't lift a finger and a basket of goodies appeared on my doorstep.
I bet your wallet did.
*ALL* of the above statements fail spectacularly to speak objectively to the underlying issues in any meaningful way.... My comparison was intended exclusively as a device to illuminate the worthless baseless nature of the original statement I quoted: "Anecdote: One day in 2015 I woke up to find my webserver supported TLS 1.2"
Nope, all you did was fundamentally miss the point. Either that or you have an incredibly strange car.
Yes, totally unlike music. Music can be objectively compared. Taste cannot. Now if they cheese company sued about the chemical composition they may have a case, but they may also find that different chemical compositions can taste incredibly similar.
You have an application that can support fine grained parallelism, why run it on 18 cores of X86 when you run it on 1500 cores off a graphics card ?
Because a graphics card is not just 375 traditional CPUs jammed into a single package and just because something can scale to 18 cores doesn't mean it would run better on 1500 GPU cores.
You still effectively have that. Service Packs have historically always added quite large features to OSes. And we have always had the (not recommended) possibility to just update major versions of windows in place.
The only difference now is that there are no longer "new installs"
I really need an explanation for how they justify saying they've made revisions while keeping it as Version 1809. That isn't how it works. That isn't how any of this works.
That is exactly how it works. The number 1809 is just a name representing the targetted release month. The actual version number of the release that was pulled was 10.0.17763.55.
I can't believe I'm put in a stupid enough position to say this, but that is just the major version number. There are point releases after that. The version that was pulled was 10.0.17763.55. The current released version is 10.0.17763.107
Not to sound the hater, but MS has been promising quality since Windows 3.1 and has instead delivered a pretty veneer draped over a pile of compiled sludge.
Wrong target. You're talking quality of the product, they are talking about quality of the updates. It is quite clear that in the era of Windows 10 quality of updates has fallen off the worlds tallest cliff.
But the rest of your post is not hating. It's just fact. Just the latest in a line of updates that had to be halted for some people. Hell the April update was halted from Microsoft's own Surface devices as Surface Pros used the SSDs that were affected by a critical bug.
... the reason Denuvo is even possible is because the internet fundamentally alterated the relationship between PC game buyer and PC game seller.
The premise of your post is completely wrong and DRM well and truly predates the internet. The only difference was previous DRM schemes could be broken with a photocopier, or simply a pen.
As to your second point, Denuvo fundamentally prevents publishers needing to do exactly what you said: Withholding assets. If withholding assets was the tactic then you wouldn't need DRM, it would be inherent in the game.
The purpose of DRM is to prevent unauthorized redistribution of digital media and restrict the ways consumers can copy content they've purchased. So no.
You didn't answer the question. In fact your reply includes no hint of economics or finance. The question you answered: "Is DRM good from the perspective of the consumer" is not the question which was asked.
They keep doing it, so it must be worth it to them.
You haven't been paying attention. They don't keep doing it. Actually this is a very new trend in the industry. A lot of previous pre-order bonuses included gimmicky extras, or early betas not relevant to the release. The closest second that is related to the current trend of releasing games early was to allow an encrypted download.
But to your next point:
The inverse of this would be to ask: "Does it make financial sense to purchase a game, if it's just going to get old (boring) later anyway?"
That is not the inverse of the question. That is a completely different question and the answer to that is a resounding yes. Do you re-watch football matches? No of course not. The result would be boring as heck knowing not only the outcome but also the game itself. That future boredom (akin to the lack of replayability) has no bearing on the initial joy/entertainment one may get from a game.
AI algorithms reason as well as any person does. We take inputs, apply our knowledge, and produce an output. An "AI" algorithm does the same thing. The difference is only in scale of information available. We can process it at a far larger rate with a far larger context many thanks to years and years of continuous development and training.
Heck you can see learning and reasoning quite well when viewing simulations of AI learning to play a game. Clearing an obstacle once results in algorithms attempting to clear the same type of obstacle in the future. That by its nature is reasoning. Their downfall is they aren't presented with the incredibly wide range of inputs and experiences that we are which allows us to see the subtle differences in said obstacle.
As for offended and butthurt? Are you an AI by any chance? Because you seem to fundamentally not understand people when you read their posts. Maybe your English language processing AI needs some extra training.
Do humans make two different decisions based on the same external variables, or do we just recognize the external variables that have changed?
Nope, we are fundamentally fallible creatures with no reason to believe in complete consistency within our thought processes when our inputs do not change. It is this mutability of outcomes that makes us fundamentally different from computers.
Actual Intelligence doesn't exist. After all what is intelligence if not the ability to make a decision based on past information to achieve a desired outcome. The only difference between humans and computer models in this regard is: a) the scale of the model and level of information required to gain an understanding. b) only humans are dumb enough to get two different results with the same input information without changing any external variables.
If they want to sell it to me, they will spell it out to me in plain language.
I honestly am now wondering if you have bought a plane ticket in the past 10 years. The language couldn't get any clearer. Hell most carriers will show enough *graphical* information on their seat selection page that you could understand it even if you don't speak the language of the website you're reading.
Or maybe you're flying with an especially shitty airline. Sorry I honestly have no idea how the concept of more leg room and exit row upgrades isn't being made 100% clear for you.
Everything I said is factually correct and has in fact already happened to countless millions of customers on eyeball networks across the world.
And out of the actual billion people in the world lots of people will require hardware upgrades. Anyway pat yourself on the back. It's only taken you 15+ years to get I tend to agree with the conclusions but not the supporting detail about I woke up one day and my web server supported TLS or QUIC or whatever.
Except you're missing the obvious difference between a software update and a hardware upgrade, and yes I deliberately used two different verbs to describe what was going on. Comparing the two is assinine. You can literally have all the capabilities in QUIC while you sleep.
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Quit trying to time your studies around US election dates and we'll all be better off.
Since this is science we're talking about: Correlation does not imply causation.
Interesting that you default to people wanting to delete their comments rather than say simply changing their view given new information and standing by their original comment given the information they had at the time.
Who said anything about rushing? That's an assumption you're making because a mistake has been made. Rushing leads to mistakes, but not all mistakes are caused by rushing.
Fine grained parallelism does not have anything to do with if something is better or worse to do on a CPU than a GPU. But since you're all insults and no substance I'm sure you realised that a while back too. But whatever I'll go down to your level.
Oh and this part ""I have cores" != "I can do anything you can do" that is just fundamentally wrong.
Oh wow. I can't believe you called me stupid and then wrote a line like that when we were discussing performance. Tell you what, go dig out the old Turing machine (which as I think I may need to point out to you anyway is actually Turing complete), have it process your Slashdot reply and then report back on the stupidity of your comment.
The purpose of DRM is to prevent people from redistributing and restrict the ways copying happens. So if people are still able to do this, then the purpose of DRM has been defeated, causing the DRM to be pointless. So the answer, also in my last post, is "no".
And yet you still didn't answer the question. The question has a premise that is linked to a certain time window around the release date. Any answer you give that doesn't include this premise isn't answering the question. This premise comes through even if you take that question out of context of the rest of the paragraph, context that includes phrases like "sale day advantage of DRM".
You're still talking about DRM in a general case, an answer that presents a different economic proposition when compared with a time element.
Man, you lost all possibilities of respect from this community here on slashdot with that comment. You simply need to look up DRM and when it started.
Actually with your reading comprehension skills I think it's your respect that is going downhill here. You continue to ignore the time bounds of the question even as you read my clearly time bounded response. Given that I just posted an article with references to DRM from many years ago and said in my reply to you "this is a very new trend" I would have thought that you'd start to release there is something fundamentally in the discussion you're missing. Unless that is you can point me to where Wikipedia says that companies have been defeating their own DRM efforts through early release of titles to people who pre-order games. Go ahead, look that one up on Wikipedia while you ponder what it is that we're actually discussing here and how you have managed to waste so much time typing without even understanding what it is that is being discussed.
And you desperately need to understand the differences between a CPU and a GPU in the way that their processing actually works. Or you need to go home and spin up 1500 VMs using only a single core on your graphics card. Good luck getting that to boot before Christmas.
"I have cores" != "I can do anything you can do" and regardless of how parallel your application gets they will not necessarily run faster or better on a GPU, a specific device designed to run a very VERY specific subset of instructions compared to a GPU.
Nope. A couple of angry nerds care, and a couple of system administrators of large virtual servers care. If there is one thing that has been made 100% clear by people, their reaction to this, Intel's shareprice, Intel's marketshare, it's that people in the general case to mean the vast majority of computers users, most definitely do NOT care.
How do you differentiate between a legitimate repair and an evil maid "repair"?
Ask Apple. They seem to be doing just that. But you fundamentally miss my point. You don't have a loss of security in this regard. Just because you're not locked out of the system doesn't mean security is lower. All that needs to happen is that you be made aware that your device has been tampered with.
Your firewall also doesn't set fire to your building everytime a sketchy looking packet comes through. At least I hope not, as amusing as that would be.
so what, it's an unknown version of operating system a windows box runs with unknown capabilities.
Not at all. There's no capability differences between the releases of Windows 10 1809. The list of features are identical regardless of the minor versioning behind it, and are different from the version which came prior to it: 1804.
If you're confused then you must be intentionally confusing yourself.
I didn't lift a finger for a new car appeared in my garage.
I bet your wallet did.
I didn't lift a finger for TLS 1.2 to appear on my web server.
I didn't lift a finger for TLS 1.2 to appear on my web server.
I didn't lift a finger for QUIC to appear on my web server.
Indeed. Software is easy, kind of my point.
I didn't lift a finger for IPv6 to appear on my network.
I bet your wallet did and that you also got very lucky with your causality.
I didn't lift a finger and a basket of goodies appeared on my doorstep.
I bet your wallet did.
*ALL* of the above statements fail spectacularly to speak objectively to the underlying issues in any meaningful way. ...
My comparison was intended exclusively as a device to illuminate the worthless baseless nature of the original statement I quoted: "Anecdote: One day in 2015 I woke up to find my webserver supported TLS 1.2"
Nope, all you did was fundamentally miss the point. Either that or you have an incredibly strange car.
So totally unlike music?
Yes, totally unlike music. Music can be objectively compared. Taste cannot. Now if they cheese company sued about the chemical composition they may have a case, but they may also find that different chemical compositions can taste incredibly similar.
is normally the end of their career, as much as it might be for ordinary officers.
So not at all in America given the arguement that everyone is a threat and out to get you.
Interesting phrasing though. If I killed an innocent bystander it wouldn't be my career that would be on the line.
And no one running these processors will care. In fact most of the people affected by Spectre and Meltdown are likely running Xeons.
You have an application that can support fine grained parallelism, why run it on 18 cores of X86 when you run it on 1500 cores off a graphics card ?
Because a graphics card is not just 375 traditional CPUs jammed into a single package and just because something can scale to 18 cores doesn't mean it would run better on 1500 GPU cores.
You still effectively have that. Service Packs have historically always added quite large features to OSes. And we have always had the (not recommended) possibility to just update major versions of windows in place.
The only difference now is that there are no longer "new installs"
I really need an explanation for how they justify saying they've made revisions while keeping it as Version 1809. That isn't how it works. That isn't how any of this works.
That is exactly how it works. The number 1809 is just a name representing the targetted release month. The actual version number of the release that was pulled was 10.0.17763.55.
The current released version is 10.0.17763.107
I can't believe I'm put in a stupid enough position to say this, but that is just the major version number. There are point releases after that. The version that was pulled was 10.0.17763.55. The current released version is 10.0.17763.107
Not to sound the hater, but MS has been promising quality since Windows 3.1 and has instead delivered a pretty veneer draped over a pile of compiled sludge.
Wrong target. You're talking quality of the product, they are talking about quality of the updates. It is quite clear that in the era of Windows 10 quality of updates has fallen off the worlds tallest cliff.
But the rest of your post is not hating. It's just fact. Just the latest in a line of updates that had to be halted for some people. Hell the April update was halted from Microsoft's own Surface devices as Surface Pros used the SSDs that were affected by a critical bug.
... the reason Denuvo is even possible is because the internet fundamentally alterated the relationship between PC game buyer and PC game seller.
The premise of your post is completely wrong and DRM well and truly predates the internet. The only difference was previous DRM schemes could be broken with a photocopier, or simply a pen.
As to your second point, Denuvo fundamentally prevents publishers needing to do exactly what you said: Withholding assets. If withholding assets was the tactic then you wouldn't need DRM, it would be inherent in the game.
The purpose of DRM is to prevent unauthorized redistribution of digital media and restrict the ways consumers can copy content they've purchased. So no.
You didn't answer the question. In fact your reply includes no hint of economics or finance. The question you answered:
"Is DRM good from the perspective of the consumer" is not the question which was asked.
They keep doing it, so it must be worth it to them.
You haven't been paying attention. They don't keep doing it. Actually this is a very new trend in the industry. A lot of previous pre-order bonuses included gimmicky extras, or early betas not relevant to the release. The closest second that is related to the current trend of releasing games early was to allow an encrypted download.
But to your next point:
The inverse of this would be to ask: "Does it make financial sense to purchase a game, if it's just going to get old (boring) later anyway?"
That is not the inverse of the question. That is a completely different question and the answer to that is a resounding yes. Do you re-watch football matches? No of course not. The result would be boring as heck knowing not only the outcome but also the game itself. That future boredom (akin to the lack of replayability) has no bearing on the initial joy/entertainment one may get from a game.
AI algorithms reason as well as any person does. We take inputs, apply our knowledge, and produce an output. An "AI" algorithm does the same thing. The difference is only in scale of information available. We can process it at a far larger rate with a far larger context many thanks to years and years of continuous development and training.
Heck you can see learning and reasoning quite well when viewing simulations of AI learning to play a game. Clearing an obstacle once results in algorithms attempting to clear the same type of obstacle in the future. That by its nature is reasoning. Their downfall is they aren't presented with the incredibly wide range of inputs and experiences that we are which allows us to see the subtle differences in said obstacle.
As for offended and butthurt? Are you an AI by any chance? Because you seem to fundamentally not understand people when you read their posts. Maybe your English language processing AI needs some extra training.
Do humans make two different decisions based on the same external variables, or do we just recognize the external variables that have changed?
Nope, we are fundamentally fallible creatures with no reason to believe in complete consistency within our thought processes when our inputs do not change. It is this mutability of outcomes that makes us fundamentally different from computers.
Actual Intelligence doesn't exist. After all what is intelligence if not the ability to make a decision based on past information to achieve a desired outcome. The only difference between humans and computer models in this regard is:
a) the scale of the model and level of information required to gain an understanding.
b) only humans are dumb enough to get two different results with the same input information without changing any external variables.
If they want to sell it to me, they will spell it out to me in plain language.
I honestly am now wondering if you have bought a plane ticket in the past 10 years. The language couldn't get any clearer. Hell most carriers will show enough *graphical* information on their seat selection page that you could understand it even if you don't speak the language of the website you're reading.
Or maybe you're flying with an especially shitty airline. Sorry I honestly have no idea how the concept of more leg room and exit row upgrades isn't being made 100% clear for you.
Everything I said is factually correct and has in fact already happened to countless millions of customers on eyeball networks across the world.
And out of the actual billion people in the world lots of people will require hardware upgrades. Anyway pat yourself on the back. It's only taken you 15+ years to get I tend to agree with the conclusions but not the supporting detail about I woke up one day and my web server supported TLS or QUIC or whatever.
Except you're missing the obvious difference between a software update and a hardware upgrade, and yes I deliberately used two different verbs to describe what was going on. Comparing the two is assinine. You can literally have all the capabilities in QUIC while you sleep.