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Microsoft Resumes Rollout of Windows 10 Version 1809, Promises Quality Changes (zdnet.com)
Microsoft on Wednesday resumed the rollout of Windows 10 version 1809. The re-release of the so-called October 2018 Update comes more than five weeks after the company pulled the original installation files from its download servers and stopped its scheduled delivery through Windows Update. From a report: In a blog post, Microsoft's John Cable, the director of Program Management for Windows Servicing and Delivery, says the data-destroying bug that triggered that unprecedented decision, as well as other quality issues that emerged during the unscheduled hiatus, have been "thoroughly investigated and resolved."
As I sit here 4 or 5 days in my Windows 10 Professional version, bought, paid for, came on high end laptop from day one, is indicating that it is not a valid license and that I need to activate it.
Are they promising lower quality?
Caution: Contents under pressure
More PR from Microsoft, seriously if we had received half the feature updates we probably would have a better Windows 10. I know I wouldn't have missed most of the features, and I certainly want less updates and more polishing of existing releases. Will that happen now that Microsoft has messed up this so much?? I doubt it.
This positively smacks of "OK, this time we're pretty sure it will work".
Why would I believe them?
Sorry, but Windows deciding when to update my machine was a deal breaker for Windows 10.
I've lost count of the number of times I've heard about people suddenly losing work as Windows decided now was a good time to update, or doing it while they're in the middle of presenting their screen.
Windows 10 really seems like it's broken by design.
God I wish you would die in a fire already.
This
Microsoft "Promises Quality Changes".
It seems to me that the fundamental issue is that Microsoft managers don't have the social ability to be good managers.
The huge number of major problems with Windows 10 have damaged Microsoft's reputation.
Not to sound the hater, but MS has been promising quality since Windows 3.1 and has instead delivered a pretty veneer draped over a pile of compiled sludge. Any time I've programmed Windows apps, admittedly not since Windows 7, I've stumbled into shortcuts, hacks, slovenly cruft, and a general non-adherence to their own stated best practices. At this point, the onus of proof is on Microsoft to **demonstrate** quality rather than talk about it. Three or four updates in a row that that don't trigger showstopper bugs would be a good start. The world doesn't need another MS PowerPoint explaining the greatness of Windows 10: it needs a working Windows 10.
"Man is nothing without the works of man" -- Helvetius
I wonder when they will realize that there will be 40 different versions and variations of "Windows 10" that they will simply have to change the name at some point to like "Windows 12" or something.
I just love Windows 10 "Pro"! It's reminiscent of Windows 95 rebooting every 47.9 days.
I hate Windows overall, but posses a white-hot hatred for the pile of crap that is Windows 10. Enough to consider getting out of IT support altogether. Don't tell me to go somewhere and do Linux. There is not enough demand. RedHat now belongs to IBM, FFS. I can't go back to Unix, that ship has sailed. Doing Cloud Support is a joke, unless I want to get a Comp.Sci degree, a Database certification and a Cisco cert or 10. It was a good run. Windows has now eaten the entire world. It's time to find something else to do for a living.
Now you're regretting it.
More like Indians and communication problems often go hand in hand.
I really need an explanation for how they justify saying they've made revisions while keeping it as Version 1809. That isn't how it works. That isn't how any of this works.
:::The Spear in the heart of the Other is the Spear in the heart of You; You are He - Surak of Vulcan:::
Microsoft changes nothing and is eagerly expecting different results
This is why I keep my version frozen at 1703. It works and I don't want to mess with problems as I've got plenty to do without being my own IT manager.
...get 2 months free!
My Win7 has never made contact with Windows Update and never will. Still going fine.
Microsoft Windows and quality aren't two words that really go together.
You can polish a turd, but it's still just a turd.
My Win7 has never made contact with Windows Update and never will. Still going fine.
There are edge cases where this makes sense. E.g., I have an old Win 7 machine with about $5K of a software version that doesn't run on Win 10. Never versions of that software have nothing I need. The machine has been air-gapped since Win 7 end-of-support and will remain so.
My Chinese knock-off laptop is still running just fine.
Virtualized is the only safe way to run windows.
Windows has access to a read only share for files, and that share is only populated with the files windows needs to see.
A seperate writeable share is for the modified file, which is virus scanned, before being mirrored on the read-only share.
network access is disabled by default.
No telemetry, no activation, no personal information is stored whatsoever.
Maybe I'm being antediluvian, and this may be a bit off topic, but it seems to me an OS should allow one to run applications manage memory and storage, etc., and not have applications built into the software which is so tied to the OS that a misbehaving app can brick a computer. If you try out some app and it seems either not to your liking or seems to disrupt the OS then generally would be easy to remove and find something else that does what you wont. Look at the browser space or search apps: you've got many choices and it's the same with other types of needs. The result is the developers of apps become responsible for making sure things work with the OS. It would become clear very early to folks who pay attention if an app hosed an OS or computer.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
A quality change would be service packs each year, and new versions of Windows each three years, which you could also upgrade to instead of wiping clean your disk but I guess it's too much for Microsoft. Also, having a good internal QA/QC team would be great instead of relying on "insiders" (what a stupid misnomer), sorry, external beta testers who Microsoft don't really listen to (the data wiping bug in Windows 10 1809 was reported months before it was made official but Microsoft didn't pay attention to it).
Oh, wait, we had exactly that up to Windows 7.
I still don't understand what their excuse is, as they successfully introduced new features in Windows NT/2000/XP/Vista service packs.
That was pushed on Windows Phone that left all 200 of us users without email and calendar for four days!!!??
There is no QA when it comes to 10
Windows Server 2019 is back as well!
Nonworking devices, eh? So how well does YOUR computer work when the disk is completely full? Or is it?
Maybe it would be a mercy killing if Windows HAD decided my license was invalid?
No Slashdot comments on this gigantic OneDrive bug yet? Why am I not surprised? Does it have anything to do with the present state of Slashdot? I was sort of considering submitting it as an AskSlashdot question, but at this point, looking over this thoughtful discussion, one has to say "Why bother?" That WEAK joke was just moderated "Insightful". (Small compensation that there is also a buried "Funny" mod in there?)
Anyway, as I understand the current situation, one of my Windows 10 machines is having a near death experience. The disk is suddenly entirely full. Only it isn't. Only it is. Only who TF knows what TF is going on?
My current theory is that OneDrive has somehow metastasized. I only have three machines running Windows 10, and I've done everything I can do to disable OneDrive on the biggest one, but it appears that the smallest one has been flooded with files from somewhere. Elephino if I know where, but I'm currently thinking it must be the second Windows 10 machine, possibly via some kind of perverse link to DropBox, which could, at least in theory, be bringing my Linux boxen into the mess.
I wasted several hours yesterday trying to figure out what was going on, but right now I simply feel like collateral damage in the wars of the corporate cancers. The corporate cancer named Microsoft is desperate to gain traction against the cloud-storage dominance of such corporate cancers as the google, Apple, and Amazon. My situation apparently slipped right through Microsoft's so-called testing, and now I have to figure out what TF the mess means before I can even start shoveling the BS into tidier piles.
Considering the state of today's Slashdot, this is just a rant. The days when Slashdot was a helpful technical resource are LONG gone. So let me see if there is any secret message buried in the caps?
YOUR HAD WEAK LONG!
And you better believe it!
Or maybe the REAL message is buried in the disguised obscenities? Naw, I'll just leave that one as an exercise for the interesting reader. As in there aren't any interesting readers or writers around here these days.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
I don't think that's necessarily it -- the issue is one of the fundamental flaw of DevOps.
Let's look at the statement from TFA: We shifted the responsibility for base functional testing to our development teams in order to deliver higher quality code from the start.
Well, allow me to retort: Your devs can't find bugs in your own damn code because if they knew what was broken, they'd have already fixed it before it shipped. (The reason is similar to the reason as a writer should never proofread their own work. A complete stranger off the street is more likely to spot a typo than the author.)
Continuing on, the MS suit says: We also changed the focus of the teams that still report to me who are responsible for end to end validation, and added a fundamentally new capability to our approach to quality: The use of data and feedback to better understand and intensely focus on the experiences our customers were having with our products across the spectrum of real-world hardware and software combinations.
And I'll translate that too: The "data driven" (telemetry) "new capability to your approach to quality" would never have been necessary if you'd, you know, actually kept a QA department who knew how to look for shit that devs miss. By the time you're getting telemetry, it's already too late, the users are already losing their data.
This isn't QA (quality assurance, the engineering of processes to ensure that showstopper bugs don't ship in the first place), this isn't even 1940s-style QC (quality control, getting an order for 100 widgets and building a run of 120 because you know 20 of them will be discarded at the end of the assembly line.) This is literally "throw your shit over the wall and see if it runs."
Devs throwing shit over the wall to a QA/QC/Testing department was a bad business practice because it wasted the testers' time and the developers' time -- testers said "Fuck, it doesn't work" and devs had to figure out why. The only difference between throwing shit over the wall back then and today's shit-as-a-service is that the testers are the unpaid end users. It makes sense from a quarter-by-quarter accounting viewpoint, but it's still a waste of developer time, and in the long term (2-5 years) results in a revenue drop due to the erosion of consumer confidence in the product.
Now, now! You're thinking. You're not supposed to do that with MS stuff. Just let that telemetric boner slide inside your colon.
I promise it's just my finger.
You're caught impersonating me c6gunner (your name's the submitter signing "APK") https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & you ALTERED /.ers PRAISE of my work (not yours you don't even HAVE).
(Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house vs. me: RIGHT ZIP? https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... )
*** IGNORANT LYING CHIMP "ZIP" SHOT DOWN FOR HIS LIES & TECH FUCKUPS vs. me https://games.slashdot.org/com...
LIAR ZIP says he has no account "I don't have an account, so I don't have mod points" https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
Yet LIAR ZIP says he downmods my posts (IMPOSSIBLE MINUS AN ACCOUNT on /.): "I down-modded a few of your post on other threads" - by Anonymous Coward "ZIP" on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:31AM (#57461058) FROM https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...
These PUSSY bullshit artists aren't bullies - they're worse - they're pussy ass PUNKS & talkers (all talk "ne'er-do-well" DO-NOTHINGS).
APK
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Last Windows 10 last update deleted your files. Also Microsoft OneDrive will delete your files.
Search on: Microsoft OneDrive deleted my files
Adobe deletes your files too.
https://it.slashdot.org/story/...
That's the most idiotic play I've seen in a while. Good job man....
Pay for the regular consumer version and than install that from the usual sites for personal sanity. You probably don't want to try Office, or OneDrive or Skype. You just want to play your Steam games without excessive junk and nagware. I wish that option was provided to consumers, even for an extra fee.
You mean Tuesday November 13: https://blogs.windows.com/wind...
Best thing is when they can't even communicate with each other.
Here is a funny story that happened about 5 years ago at work. We had an Indian guy that worked for us, he was a security tech. He had to contact Honeywell support because we were having a problem programming one of their security panels. He gets an Indian tech support worker. They rambled back and forth for an hour and about every 5th sentence was "can you repeat that I can not understand what you are saying". Then the guy hangs up and complained about the tech support people not being able to speak proper English. Now I'm no linguist but from what I heard of the conversation they sounded damn near identical.
Anecdotal sure, but was funny as hell from my view and I will probably never forget that day.
Just disable Windows 10 updates permanently with Block-Ups. Take a few seconds and you'll never have to worry about Microsoft forcing another update on you.
Block-Ups for Windows 10
the 9x/ME era windows was worse in terms of stability than windows 10, whatever flaws it has.
Ultimately it's White Men in suits who make the decisions in this world, not some Indians trying to better their lives.
Corporations will search for the cheapest labor they can find; the high performing people of any race (who would command a high salary) are not what they are looking for.
-mg157