You're too kind to the GP. I will actually wager that there are no people anywhere which would give enough shits about this, even if they just arrived from a 2 hour train ride well rested at a place they found on hotels.com
You're talking about a device that a shitton of people are very comfortable with having around them. Though I'm sure you'll find one joker who will post "LOL just changed hotels because of #privacy" on their Facebook page.
Most organisation require a copy of the death certificate before taking any action.
WTF? No, not at all. In fact a good chunk of the GDPR is about not requiring someone to die before their data is deleted. There are a myriad of laws now that require data to be removed. The only question is why is Facebook not complying with an attempt to expose someone who fraudulently had the data removed.
The testing of these systems need should be at a higher bar than anything NASA or aeronautical firms given the widespread deployment
Why? NASA considers loss of life unacceptable, yet we're quite happy to accept over 5 million accidents causing over 30000 fatalities every year from cars. Your demands are completely unreasonable in the face of the risk that has already been accepted by the population as well as the policy makers.
A distinction with no difference in 2018. I take it you've never had to take your car in for a recall just so someone can plug a USB stick into the dash?
No one cares about ownership. That battle was lost years ago.
As to why they are good? You're talking about an industry built on expensive upgrades and service fees locked into something you own. I hate lack of ownership more than the next guy but I would much rather drive a car from a manufacturer who has a demonstrated record of free aftermarket feature support and upgrades than, for example, Renault who insisted they wanted to charge me $150 for the privilege of my car's navigation system actually understanding that the highway is not the way it used to be.
Bonus points if you have Android Auto which hasn't been upgraded and is full of security holes, or if you've ever had to book your car in for a service at some dealer location massively out of your way during work hours just so they can plug a USB stick into the dash for the latest software fuckup that caused a recall.
OTA updates are a massive improvement even with the ownership and security issues that it comes with, especially in the eyes of the inconvenienced consumer.
Sincerely, Someone who glues their mobile phone to the windscreen for navigation because their car doesn't get updated maps.
As long as everyone implements all systems that's okay. The last thing we need is fragmentation in life saving standards.
One thing though, Europe's AML doesn't use the data layer, but rather uses the same system used for the underlying SMS service. AML works even when you're roaming without data or when using a voice-only SIM, and the underlying system does have prioritisation.
Though I'm happy to be corrected about this if I'm wrong. I've only really scratched the surface of looking into it.
That "Article" mostly reads about one man's random bitching about things he doesn't like. He dedicates paragraphs to his hatred of art, gives traffic and parking a one liner, and then complains about a plastic bag ban being bad for the environment despite the fact that this is demonstrably false.
In fact most of what is written in there is speculated garbage that doesn't pass the pub test (Australian slang for it is so incredibly stupid even a drunk person wouldn't consider it). e.g. People drive out of portland to do their shopping just so they can get it in plastic bags, or some effort to reduce people in parks because others want it for themselves. Or that fluoridation of water makes dentists hostile towards customers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the city is horribly mismanaged, but if these are the biggest complaints about Portland it must be one of the best run cities in the country.
Welcome to the news by Twitter. We are now left to trying to distill the underlying meaning and rebuild the absent press release all out of a 280 character message.
Musk said he automated too much. What does that mean? Who knows. Maybe too many robots for the number of people too look after them. Maybe too many design decisions for robotic assembly caused problems in car assembly. Maybe he automated things he shouldn't have.
The world of production problems is far more complicated than a 280 character limit can explain.
Isn't it funny how the people who cause traffic congestion are the first to complain about it?
People don't cause traffic congestion, town planners do. Also traffic congestion is not directly related to parking, and in some cases is actually the opposite.
Example: I cycle EVERYWHERE. During the week I don't touch my car. The cycling infrastructure here where I am in Europe is fantastic. The city layout and public transport is fantastic. The bike paths are crazy busy and so is public transport. My neighbour is 38 years old and doesn't have a drivers licence, never needed one.
So what's my complaint? Traffic in my street. This is mainly caused by the fact that I as well as many others still need to own a car. We have no parking in the building and have to park our cars in the street. The traffic is often nothing to do with peak hour and everything to do with people doing laps around the block at 20km/h looking for a place to park, or stopping while someone else reverse parks.
You can solve as many traffic problems by not having people parallel park in the streets as you can by getting people to give up their cars.
Wow. Really? Encryption on a phone protects you? You do realise that Android Messages shows your SMS history on the computer screen right?
You are talking about the relative security risks of a company that has full control over their website which you are using, vs a company that has full control over your phone which you are using. If Google wants to collect your messages you are at no additional risk using their website. If its the NSA you're worried about why the hell are you using a Google phone! The only safe way to message is to not use Android Messages.
I'm not going to give you a break. I'm going to educate you so you don't end up in some false sense of security while the NSA is watching you sext.
Given the class of Spectre and Meltdown attacks rely on someone else having the freedom to execute code on your hardware, shouldn't something like this be opt-in? There's a whole world of servers out that where Spectre is ultimately completely irrelevant in terms of a security threat, but hyperthreading is definitely not irrelevant in terms of performance.
I partially agree, the problem isn't the plastic straws, it is the lack of collection and recycling.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The problem isn't plastic straws, the problem is plastic. Straws are just a really frigging easy place to start dealing with the problem.
Yes how foolish that those early adopters bought things that work just fine.
There are not many vehicle manufacturers with as bad a reputation for QC as Tesla.
Now let's talk about reputation shall we?
Telsa has a QC reputation mostly built up based on incredibly stupid nit-picking with only one real major flaw to date: The doors on the Model X. Most of their quality control issues were along the lines of "OMG the gap in this pannel is 1mm wider than that other panel, oh woes me!" In the mean time customers are like "LOL this door has panel gaps? I didn't hear you over the sound of how fast this thing accellerates and how sweet the ride is!" Hell most early reviews about fit and finish which grilled the few minor nitpicks reluctantly then proceeded to say how absolutely awesome of a car was produced. Oh but the stitching on the leather wasn't perfect, so horrible, much upsetness!
But all in all QC isn't the issue here. We're talking about company responses. So what kind of a reputation does Tesla have there? - They caught the world by surprise when they offered free feature upgrades over the air. - They borderline no questions asked repair shit most companies need to get dragged to court over (my own experience with GM was having the ignition switch fail 3 days before the warranty expired on my Astra and them then waiting 3 days to get back to me so they could try and tell me it was out of warranty and charge me $400 for the repair, and towing as well. Fortunately I lived in a country where the regulator had teeth and they forced GM to not only tow and fix the car but also re-imburse me for the rental costs for delaying me as long as they did). - Tesla invested in a mobile repair fleet sending people out to customer's houses for this kind of stuff. - A consumer reports came out with a sub par rating for the Model 3 brakes. Tesla stepped up and fixed it. - Telsa recalling cars with actual faults quickly and voluntarily. In the meantime what did an NHTSA rep say in a public hearing about Chyrisler? "In every one of the 23 recalls, we have identified ways in which Fiat Chrysler failed to do its job."
Yeah you're right. Fools and their money are easily parted. One day maybe the fools will wake up and actually buy from Tesla instead of risking their lives.
The only one missing the point is you. This isn't so much as missing a point as it is taking a point with a marketing tactic and reversing it against a competitor.
I don't want a brand new car that needs to be repaired
Don't be an early adopter then.
There are plenty of people who are perfectly happy buying things that are fixed on the go.
And all car manufacturers offer a vehicle warranty.
hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahahahaha Yeah my own state had to pass laws to hold car companies accountable when delivering lemons. I'll also leave it as an exercise to you to figure out how many people died due to Ford not recalling and repairing faulty ignition switches.
and a failure to think things through.
Yes people seem to often not think things through, especially when it comes to comparing car manufacturers or understanding the motivations of others.
In this case, engineers are testing and qualifying each device. It's not like an end-user just buys an RS485 device and plugs it into the bus.
Oh wow, have you got an over-inflated view of engineering at these facilities! No it's quite literally buying off the shelf parts and plugging it into a bus and hoping for the best. There's a special place in hell for those people who leave it up to the commissioning technician to identify a common set of speeds, parities, and other settings that devices support. Bonus points for using something like modbus and from a vendor which used a non-standard way of storing data.
On a consumer level these devices would suffer a problem of pre-configuration. The USB specification has it's flaws too, such as dragging the entire bus down when low speed devices are connected via a hub, but when the specification is configurable and doesn't auto-negotiate you're going to end up with grief, like we used to in the RS-232 world.
I had a South African colleage who described her escallating security measures to me.
1. After a breakin through the window they upgraded security systems to include all the windows. 2. After a breakin through the roof and manway they upgraded security systems to include lasers in the roof and to include the manway cover. 3. After a breakin through the roof and through a hole drilled in the ceiling along with damaged security system they got 2 BIG dogs. 4. After a breakin where both dogs were killed they moved to Australia.
Sometime between 2 and 3 she got shot in the shoulder during a bank robbery. Not for doing anything other than being in the bank at the time, she *was* the warning shot. Honestly I'm surprised they even made it to 3 before leaving.
Nothing deters a determined theif from a rich prize.
and, like it or not, he offered two very realistic outcomes to them:
1. Face annihilation in a war that they cannot hope to win with a people too starved to support a long war, let alone with the backing to do it (Kim didn't even fly on a North Korean plane to the meeting because they do not have one that can go that far!). 2. Open up and become a more traditional nation internationally, gaining the investment opportunities and thus money that that brings, while also giving up all nuclear ambitions, which should be easier since their testing site imploded.
That's a lot different than the "previous level".
Sure, only if you ignore the several other previous levels that have happened before. We've heard it all before. Promises were made, vauge language was exchanged, the only difference is in the past no Americans saluted North Korean generals or praised dictators while telling their closest allies they have a "special place in hell".
Wait, it is a lot different than the "previous level". Along with not improving anything among enemies we've taken a major step backwards with allies. Hurrah!
Slashdot Mirror
This isn't a recording device. It's an Alexa.
Sincerely,
The common person.
You're too kind to the GP. I will actually wager that there are no people anywhere which would give enough shits about this, even if they just arrived from a 2 hour train ride well rested at a place they found on hotels.com
You're talking about a device that a shitton of people are very comfortable with having around them. Though I'm sure you'll find one joker who will post "LOL just changed hotels because of #privacy" on their Facebook page.
Most organisation require a copy of the death certificate before taking any action.
WTF? No, not at all. In fact a good chunk of the GDPR is about not requiring someone to die before their data is deleted. There are a myriad of laws now that require data to be removed. The only question is why is Facebook not complying with an attempt to expose someone who fraudulently had the data removed.
The testing of these systems need should be at a higher bar than anything NASA or aeronautical firms given the widespread deployment
Why? NASA considers loss of life unacceptable, yet we're quite happy to accept over 5 million accidents causing over 30000 fatalities every year from cars. Your demands are completely unreasonable in the face of the risk that has already been accepted by the population as well as the policy makers.
A distinction with no difference in 2018. I take it you've never had to take your car in for a recall just so someone can plug a USB stick into the dash?
That's a nice bundle of anecdotes and defensiveness.
LOL, most of these don't even need a Google. They have been discussed here on this very site. Do you even Slashdot bro?
No one cares about ownership. That battle was lost years ago.
As to why they are good? You're talking about an industry built on expensive upgrades and service fees locked into something you own. I hate lack of ownership more than the next guy but I would much rather drive a car from a manufacturer who has a demonstrated record of free aftermarket feature support and upgrades than, for example, Renault who insisted they wanted to charge me $150 for the privilege of my car's navigation system actually understanding that the highway is not the way it used to be.
Bonus points if you have Android Auto which hasn't been upgraded and is full of security holes, or if you've ever had to book your car in for a service at some dealer location massively out of your way during work hours just so they can plug a USB stick into the dash for the latest software fuckup that caused a recall.
OTA updates are a massive improvement even with the ownership and security issues that it comes with, especially in the eyes of the inconvenienced consumer.
Sincerely,
Someone who glues their mobile phone to the windscreen for navigation because their car doesn't get updated maps.
As long as everyone implements all systems that's okay. The last thing we need is fragmentation in life saving standards.
One thing though, Europe's AML doesn't use the data layer, but rather uses the same system used for the underlying SMS service. AML works even when you're roaming without data or when using a voice-only SIM, and the underlying system does have prioritisation.
Though I'm happy to be corrected about this if I'm wrong. I've only really scratched the surface of looking into it.
That "Article" mostly reads about one man's random bitching about things he doesn't like. He dedicates paragraphs to his hatred of art, gives traffic and parking a one liner, and then complains about a plastic bag ban being bad for the environment despite the fact that this is demonstrably false.
In fact most of what is written in there is speculated garbage that doesn't pass the pub test (Australian slang for it is so incredibly stupid even a drunk person wouldn't consider it). e.g. People drive out of portland to do their shopping just so they can get it in plastic bags, or some effort to reduce people in parks because others want it for themselves. Or that fluoridation of water makes dentists hostile towards customers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the city is horribly mismanaged, but if these are the biggest complaints about Portland it must be one of the best run cities in the country.
Welcome to the news by Twitter. We are now left to trying to distill the underlying meaning and rebuild the absent press release all out of a 280 character message.
Musk said he automated too much. What does that mean? Who knows. Maybe too many robots for the number of people too look after them. Maybe too many design decisions for robotic assembly caused problems in car assembly. Maybe he automated things he shouldn't have.
The world of production problems is far more complicated than a 280 character limit can explain.
Isn't it funny how the people who cause traffic congestion are the first to complain about it?
People don't cause traffic congestion, town planners do. Also traffic congestion is not directly related to parking, and in some cases is actually the opposite.
Example: I cycle EVERYWHERE. During the week I don't touch my car. The cycling infrastructure here where I am in Europe is fantastic. The city layout and public transport is fantastic. The bike paths are crazy busy and so is public transport. My neighbour is 38 years old and doesn't have a drivers licence, never needed one.
So what's my complaint? Traffic in my street. This is mainly caused by the fact that I as well as many others still need to own a car. We have no parking in the building and have to park our cars in the street. The traffic is often nothing to do with peak hour and everything to do with people doing laps around the block at 20km/h looking for a place to park, or stopping while someone else reverse parks.
You can solve as many traffic problems by not having people parallel park in the streets as you can by getting people to give up their cars.
Wow. Really? Encryption on a phone protects you? You do realise that Android Messages shows your SMS history on the computer screen right?
You are talking about the relative security risks of a company that has full control over their website which you are using, vs a company that has full control over your phone which you are using. If Google wants to collect your messages you are at no additional risk using their website. If its the NSA you're worried about why the hell are you using a Google phone! The only safe way to message is to not use Android Messages.
I'm not going to give you a break. I'm going to educate you so you don't end up in some false sense of security while the NSA is watching you sext.
ahem, so did everything that happened in 1920.
Given the class of Spectre and Meltdown attacks rely on someone else having the freedom to execute code on your hardware, shouldn't something like this be opt-in? There's a whole world of servers out that where Spectre is ultimately completely irrelevant in terms of a security threat, but hyperthreading is definitely not irrelevant in terms of performance.
I partially agree, the problem isn't the plastic straws, it is the lack of collection and recycling .
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The problem isn't plastic straws, the problem is plastic. Straws are just a really frigging easy place to start dealing with the problem.
Yes how foolish that those early adopters bought things that work just fine.
There are not many vehicle manufacturers with as bad a reputation for QC as Tesla.
Now let's talk about reputation shall we?
Telsa has a QC reputation mostly built up based on incredibly stupid nit-picking with only one real major flaw to date: The doors on the Model X. Most of their quality control issues were along the lines of "OMG the gap in this pannel is 1mm wider than that other panel, oh woes me!" In the mean time customers are like "LOL this door has panel gaps? I didn't hear you over the sound of how fast this thing accellerates and how sweet the ride is!" Hell most early reviews about fit and finish which grilled the few minor nitpicks reluctantly then proceeded to say how absolutely awesome of a car was produced. Oh but the stitching on the leather wasn't perfect, so horrible, much upsetness!
But all in all QC isn't the issue here. We're talking about company responses. So what kind of a reputation does Tesla have there?
- They caught the world by surprise when they offered free feature upgrades over the air.
- They borderline no questions asked repair shit most companies need to get dragged to court over (my own experience with GM was having the ignition switch fail 3 days before the warranty expired on my Astra and them then waiting 3 days to get back to me so they could try and tell me it was out of warranty and charge me $400 for the repair, and towing as well. Fortunately I lived in a country where the regulator had teeth and they forced GM to not only tow and fix the car but also re-imburse me for the rental costs for delaying me as long as they did).
- Tesla invested in a mobile repair fleet sending people out to customer's houses for this kind of stuff.
- A consumer reports came out with a sub par rating for the Model 3 brakes. Tesla stepped up and fixed it.
- Telsa recalling cars with actual faults quickly and voluntarily. In the meantime what did an NHTSA rep say in a public hearing about Chyrisler? "In every one of the 23 recalls, we have identified ways in which Fiat Chrysler failed to do its job."
Yeah you're right. Fools and their money are easily parted. One day maybe the fools will wake up and actually buy from Tesla instead of risking their lives.
From the title, did anyone else think some employee went on a shooting spree at their competitor?
No, not all of us live in the USA.
And in Marketing!
Give me a SECURE CPU without your fucking backdoors
Why didn't you just ask. We'll ship it wrapped in tinfoil for your pleasure.
Boy talk about missing the point....
The only one missing the point is you. This isn't so much as missing a point as it is taking a point with a marketing tactic and reversing it against a competitor.
I don't want a brand new car that needs to be repaired
Don't be an early adopter then.
There are plenty of people who are perfectly happy buying things that are fixed on the go.
And all car manufacturers offer a vehicle warranty.
hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahahahaha
Yeah my own state had to pass laws to hold car companies accountable when delivering lemons. I'll also leave it as an exercise to you to figure out how many people died due to Ford not recalling and repairing faulty ignition switches.
and a failure to think things through.
Yes people seem to often not think things through, especially when it comes to comparing car manufacturers or understanding the motivations of others.
In this case, engineers are testing and qualifying each device. It's not like an end-user just buys an RS485 device and plugs it into the bus.
Oh wow, have you got an over-inflated view of engineering at these facilities! No it's quite literally buying off the shelf parts and plugging it into a bus and hoping for the best. There's a special place in hell for those people who leave it up to the commissioning technician to identify a common set of speeds, parities, and other settings that devices support. Bonus points for using something like modbus and from a vendor which used a non-standard way of storing data.
On a consumer level these devices would suffer a problem of pre-configuration. The USB specification has it's flaws too, such as dragging the entire bus down when low speed devices are connected via a hub, but when the specification is configurable and doesn't auto-negotiate you're going to end up with grief, like we used to in the RS-232 world.
I had a South African colleage who described her escallating security measures to me.
1. After a breakin through the window they upgraded security systems to include all the windows.
2. After a breakin through the roof and manway they upgraded security systems to include lasers in the roof and to include the manway cover.
3. After a breakin through the roof and through a hole drilled in the ceiling along with damaged security system they got 2 BIG dogs.
4. After a breakin where both dogs were killed they moved to Australia.
Sometime between 2 and 3 she got shot in the shoulder during a bank robbery. Not for doing anything other than being in the bank at the time, she *was* the warning shot. Honestly I'm surprised they even made it to 3 before leaving.
Nothing deters a determined theif from a rich prize.
and, like it or not, he offered two very realistic outcomes to them:
1. Face annihilation in a war that they cannot hope to win with a people too starved to support a long war, let alone with the backing to do it (Kim didn't even fly on a North Korean plane to the meeting because they do not have one that can go that far!).
2. Open up and become a more traditional nation internationally, gaining the investment opportunities and thus money that that brings, while also giving up all nuclear ambitions, which should be easier since their testing site imploded.
That's a lot different than the "previous level".
Sure, only if you ignore the several other previous levels that have happened before. We've heard it all before. Promises were made, vauge language was exchanged, the only difference is in the past no Americans saluted North Korean generals or praised dictators while telling their closest allies they have a "special place in hell".
Wait, it is a lot different than the "previous level". Along with not improving anything among enemies we've taken a major step backwards with allies. Hurrah!
death panes
Is that what happens when a window falls out of a skyscraper and onto a busy footpath below?