From a single phone number that is also used for 2FA.
Again: all this points to bug, architectural oversight, or plain stupidity from someone who wasn't thinking clearly. Quite different from the Google case.
Have you ever noticed this? B - I - N - G - Bing Is Not Google.
It's also a marketing fail. You know what is really good at getting people to stop using their favorite search engine? Reinforcing that you're not the same.
We've also proven repeatedly that wood is a HORRIBLE material for any multi-family building, as we've had quite a few burn to the ground
So? In many cases concrete doesn't form as much of a structure as it does simply provide fireproofing for the steel reinforcing within it. Just because something has "wood" in the name doesn't automagically make it a firehazard. We can fireproof wood just as well as any other structural member.
Also building codes are iterative. "the next one happens" and will always happen. The key part is the rate at which they have happened and are happening continues to decline.
One wields a brush. The other must navigate a complex legal framework of what is and isn't allowed to be done, who can and can't be served, and often deals with people who are dangerously addicted to the products they serve. The latter makes perfect sense to license or oversee in some way or another.
the breathless "we found X in Y!" idea is pretty much the same
One is naturally occurring. The other is not. Just because they are harmless in their current concentrations doesn't mean that this is something to worry about and attempt to solve.
Radiation: It existed before, it exists now, no conclusions can be drawn for the future. Plastic: There was none, now there is some in the food cycles, something very worth watching going forward and even worth starting to do something about NOW.
Or would you prefer for every case of the abnormal to require people to get sick or die before you start solving the problems? Global warming not an issue until Manhattan is under water, is that when we should focus on CO2?
Yes, you should. Because different countries have different requirements and legislation.
Spoken like someone who has never looked at just how similar systems are between countries. Especially in a place like Europe that is a silly suggestion to make. Even sillier when you compare it to just how standardised emergency service response and mobile networks are across most of the world (minus USA).
Your examples also have nothing to do with the technology but the philosophical barriers to adopting them. In countries where identification of access points is illegal, the phones don't work like that, AML (and location services in general) have various fallbacks for that). In countries where its illegal to give up that information you're reduced to an all or nothing approach, a country based system is not going to get around that as your example would affect the specific and the general case the same way.
Counter: This is precisely the case for one-size-fits-all approach. Countries no longer exist in isolation and ceased doing so back when mobile phones were introduced. The whole nature of the mobile industry drove standardisation across the world (minus USA) and as people move freely between nations the need for a one-size-fits-all approach to emergency response becomes more and more apparent. This is why entire continents also standardised their communication systems around emergency response (ASTRO for Americas, TETRA for rest of the world). Not only does it help interoperability, but also reduces cost and infrastructure investment.
Oh and the fact that the world IS standardising this and other aspects of emergency response is a good evidence for a triumph of common sense over your bureaucratic hurdles.
So again, not carrier level. The phone reports, not the network infrastructure. That was my point which incidentally means that unless you get the likes of Google involved doing something open like ALM you will have a widely differing approaches and success rate especially as not all devices are controlled by carriers.
By the way 10 years ago was 2008. Google has used wifi services to accurately identify which house you were in for quite a while before that. That isn't carrier triangulation. The phone does not have access to that information at all.
Networks can't use GPS as that is a client privilege, and cell tower triangulation is orders of magnitude less precise than a client side GPS fix.... which is what Google ACTUALLY does. But the FCC mandate pre-dates implementations of AML which is why the USA ended up triangulation as a less precise solution, a victim of timing and specificity of the regulation.
AML has a fallback to SMS and the implementation of SMS is the same as that of the 112 system meaning that this data packet can be sent to a number accessible even if you're roaming on another tower that you don't have permission to use for normal voice/data, e.g. works when roaming with data disconnected and works when roaming with all roaming turned off and no suitable roaming towers available.
Basically the failure mode you describe was thought of and worked around when it was first implemented.
You assume just because I said Android phones have it that it means it's Android only. It's not. AML was developed by telecom companies and hardware manufacturers. It's an open standard. Android just happened to be first to implement it in a really wide manner 7 years ago. Apple is coming to the party with the next release of iOS. Blackberry had it before they went under too.
Oh and Finland is listed as supporting it too. Point is you shouldn't need to introduce a country specific solution to a general problem.
Hey Facebook! Here's a better idea: Don't allow any election ads in the first place.
Hey crackwhore, just don't do crack in the first place! That's analogous to what you just said. Elections are a massive public spending spree and you want an advertisement company to not participate? You'll sooner get Republicans to make gun ownership illegal than what you suggest.
The planned obsolescence via expensive, non-user replaceable batteries isn't working like it used to.
This was never something they relied on. Instead it was painfully poorly written software bogging down the processors of the time while actually adding useful features at each upgrade that made people WANT to replace their devices.
That ended a couple of years ago.
I remember WANTING to upgrade to Froyo. I remember that I couldn't wait to ditch the Galaxy S5 which with each successive update had become a slow piece of crap.
Better graphics, more CPU power, ok, but what for?
Hobby work and media. We're now in a world where for $200 you can buy a camera that can record 4k HFR content. You have a screen with lots of pixels to fill. Sure you can run your game at a lower resolution but those nice screens exist for a reason.
I agree with the general sentiment but there's a surprising number of people who still have a need for some high end computing power. Not just nerds or gamers but common people. My last PC upgrade was in 2015, and I was replacing a computer that wasn't even remotely 2008 old because it was just too damn slow processing the high resolution photos from my camera.
Having it work as a minimum and having it functional and not pissing you off with delay are two different things.
No damn these filthy pirates. They should end up in a special kind of hell made of my little ponies for subjecting the world to Zoo Tycoon Ultimate Animals Collection. This cracking of DRM proves once and for all there is no God.
On a carrier level it was never going to work. Whoever controls the device will by nature know more about it than someone who's inferring information about it.
Of course they are. The west should know that. We trained them. We put them through our best universities, gave them access to our best labs, and then sent them home on their way when it became clear that science was no longer valued here.
Except Occam's Razor is on the side of Facebook with this one. There is no reason the same system used for 2FA should be tied to a system that automatically posts messages on a wall.
Google on the other hand was building a WiFi database long before they decided to collect the data on people. There was not only intent in their actions but it also made perfect sense from a business point of view.
In American politics there's no such thing. You are blue or red. Any alternative viewpoint or idea that you could meet in the middle is heresy. Any deviation from the party line needs to be punished.
No. The original use of the word describes equal rights for women.
Language evolves. What we call feminism nowadays (and the ways in which the self defined feminists behave) has nothing at all to do with equal rights. Whatever sense the definition made in the past is irrelevant as no one adheres to the original definition anymore.
It did. FreeBSD is soft and gets its feelings hurt, so Linus forked it into Linux swearing as he went. Linus is also a time traveller he just goes back in time now to start Linux in the past so that when he gets to this point Linux is good enough to use. Proof: Do you see a google image search of him without a receding hairline? Of course not. Time lords don't age.
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From a single phone number that is also used for 2FA.
Again: all this points to bug, architectural oversight, or plain stupidity from someone who wasn't thinking clearly. Quite different from the Google case.
Have you ever noticed this? B - I - N - G - Bing Is Not Google.
It's also a marketing fail. You know what is really good at getting people to stop using their favorite search engine? Reinforcing that you're not the same.
We've also proven repeatedly that wood is a HORRIBLE material for any multi-family building, as we've had quite a few burn to the ground
So? In many cases concrete doesn't form as much of a structure as it does simply provide fireproofing for the steel reinforcing within it. Just because something has "wood" in the name doesn't automagically make it a firehazard. We can fireproof wood just as well as any other structural member.
Also building codes are iterative. "the next one happens" and will always happen. The key part is the rate at which they have happened and are happening continues to decline.
One wields a brush. The other must navigate a complex legal framework of what is and isn't allowed to be done, who can and can't be served, and often deals with people who are dangerously addicted to the products they serve. The latter makes perfect sense to license or oversee in some way or another.
the breathless "we found X in Y!" idea is pretty much the same
One is naturally occurring. The other is not. Just because they are harmless in their current concentrations doesn't mean that this is something to worry about and attempt to solve.
Radiation: It existed before, it exists now, no conclusions can be drawn for the future.
Plastic: There was none, now there is some in the food cycles, something very worth watching going forward and even worth starting to do something about NOW.
Or would you prefer for every case of the abnormal to require people to get sick or die before you start solving the problems? Global warming not an issue until Manhattan is under water, is that when we should focus on CO2?
Yes, you should. Because different countries have different requirements and legislation.
Spoken like someone who has never looked at just how similar systems are between countries. Especially in a place like Europe that is a silly suggestion to make. Even sillier when you compare it to just how standardised emergency service response and mobile networks are across most of the world (minus USA).
Your examples also have nothing to do with the technology but the philosophical barriers to adopting them. In countries where identification of access points is illegal, the phones don't work like that, AML (and location services in general) have various fallbacks for that). In countries where its illegal to give up that information you're reduced to an all or nothing approach, a country based system is not going to get around that as your example would affect the specific and the general case the same way.
Counter: This is precisely the case for one-size-fits-all approach. Countries no longer exist in isolation and ceased doing so back when mobile phones were introduced. The whole nature of the mobile industry drove standardisation across the world (minus USA) and as people move freely between nations the need for a one-size-fits-all approach to emergency response becomes more and more apparent.
This is why entire continents also standardised their communication systems around emergency response (ASTRO for Americas, TETRA for rest of the world). Not only does it help interoperability, but also reduces cost and infrastructure investment.
Oh and the fact that the world IS standardising this and other aspects of emergency response is a good evidence for a triumph of common sense over your bureaucratic hurdles.
So again, not carrier level. The phone reports, not the network infrastructure. That was my point which incidentally means that unless you get the likes of Google involved doing something open like ALM you will have a widely differing approaches and success rate especially as not all devices are controlled by carriers.
By the way 10 years ago was 2008. Google has used wifi services to accurately identify which house you were in for quite a while before that. That isn't carrier triangulation. The phone does not have access to that information at all.
Networks can't use GPS as that is a client privilege, and cell tower triangulation is orders of magnitude less precise than a client side GPS fix. ... which is what Google ACTUALLY does. But the FCC mandate pre-dates implementations of AML which is why the USA ended up triangulation as a less precise solution, a victim of timing and specificity of the regulation.
and may not be able to use data
AML has a fallback to SMS and the implementation of SMS is the same as that of the 112 system meaning that this data packet can be sent to a number accessible even if you're roaming on another tower that you don't have permission to use for normal voice/data, e.g. works when roaming with data disconnected and works when roaming with all roaming turned off and no suitable roaming towers available.
Basically the failure mode you describe was thought of and worked around when it was first implemented.
You assume just because I said Android phones have it that it means it's Android only. It's not. AML was developed by telecom companies and hardware manufacturers. It's an open standard. Android just happened to be first to implement it in a really wide manner 7 years ago. Apple is coming to the party with the next release of iOS. Blackberry had it before they went under too.
Oh and Finland is listed as supporting it too. Point is you shouldn't need to introduce a country specific solution to a general problem.
Buy another phone. If it's not tied to an account what's the problem, their tracking stops when you no longer have the item.
Hey Facebook! Here's a better idea: Don't allow any election ads in the first place.
Hey crackwhore, just don't do crack in the first place! That's analogous to what you just said. Elections are a massive public spending spree and you want an advertisement company to not participate? You'll sooner get Republicans to make gun ownership illegal than what you suggest.
The planned obsolescence via expensive, non-user replaceable batteries isn't working like it used to.
This was never something they relied on. Instead it was painfully poorly written software bogging down the processors of the time while actually adding useful features at each upgrade that made people WANT to replace their devices.
That ended a couple of years ago.
I remember WANTING to upgrade to Froyo.
I remember that I couldn't wait to ditch the Galaxy S5 which with each successive update had become a slow piece of crap.
Better graphics, more CPU power, ok, but what for?
Hobby work and media. We're now in a world where for $200 you can buy a camera that can record 4k HFR content. You have a screen with lots of pixels to fill. Sure you can run your game at a lower resolution but those nice screens exist for a reason.
I agree with the general sentiment but there's a surprising number of people who still have a need for some high end computing power. Not just nerds or gamers but common people. My last PC upgrade was in 2015, and I was replacing a computer that wasn't even remotely 2008 old because it was just too damn slow processing the high resolution photos from my camera.
Having it work as a minimum and having it functional and not pissing you off with delay are two different things.
No damn these filthy pirates. They should end up in a special kind of hell made of my little ponies for subjecting the world to Zoo Tycoon Ultimate Animals Collection. This cracking of DRM proves once and for all there is no God.
On a carrier level it was never going to work. Whoever controls the device will by nature know more about it than someone who's inferring information about it.
Android devices have advanced location services for 112 calls. There's no need for Finland to bake their own.
Log in to your Google account use the timeline feature in maps and then select clear history.
It's not hard.
But China is a lot more capable than that.
Of course they are. The west should know that. We trained them. We put them through our best universities, gave them access to our best labs, and then sent them home on their way when it became clear that science was no longer valued here.
Nice anti-government rant, but that ultimately has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Except Occam's Razor is on the side of Facebook with this one. There is no reason the same system used for 2FA should be tied to a system that automatically posts messages on a wall.
Google on the other hand was building a WiFi database long before they decided to collect the data on people. There was not only intent in their actions but it also made perfect sense from a business point of view.
Comparing the two is silly.
Because it doesn't fit the narrative? Also because we're only angry at people who don't apologise for their interference ;-)
were anywhere close to neutral
In American politics there's no such thing. You are blue or red. Any alternative viewpoint or idea that you could meet in the middle is heresy. Any deviation from the party line needs to be punished.
Democracy at its finest.
No. The original use of the word describes equal rights for women.
Language evolves. What we call feminism nowadays (and the ways in which the self defined feminists behave) has nothing at all to do with equal rights. Whatever sense the definition made in the past is irrelevant as no one adheres to the original definition anymore.
It did. FreeBSD is soft and gets its feelings hurt, so Linus forked it into Linux swearing as he went.
Linus is also a time traveller he just goes back in time now to start Linux in the past so that when he gets to this point Linux is good enough to use. Proof: Do you see a google image search of him without a receding hairline? Of course not. Time lords don't age.