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We've Reached Peak Smartphone (washingtonpost.com)

You don't really need a new smartphone. From a column on the Washington Post (may be paywalled): Sure, some of them squeeze more screen into a smaller form. The cameras keep getting better, if you look very close. And you had to live under a rock to miss the hoopla for Apple's 10th-anniversary iPhone X or the Samsung Galaxy S8. Many in the smartphone business were sure this latest crop would bring a "super cycle" of upgrades. But here's the reality: More and more of Americans have decided we don't need to upgrade every year. Or every other year. We're no longer locked into two-year contracts and phones are way sturdier than they used to be. And the new stuff just isn't that tantalizing even to me, a professional gadget guy. Holding onto our phones is better for our budgets, not to mention the environment. This just means we -- and phone makers -- need to start thinking of them more like cars. We may have reached peak smartphone. Global shipments slipped 0.1 percent in 2017 -- the first ever decline, according to research firm IDC. In the United States, smartphone shipments grew just 1.6 percent, the smallest increase ever. Back in 2015, Americans replaced their phones after 23.6 months, on average, according to research firm Kantar Worldpanel. By the end of 2017, we were holding onto them for 25.3 months.

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  1. Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This just means we -- and phone makers -- need to start thinking of them more like cars.

    I drive a 1999 Nissan. My phone is an iPhone 4. My computer is a 2010 Mac.

    1. Re:Like cars? by LesPeters · · Score: 1

      Me: 2004 Camry, 2008 Mac tower, iPhone 6s with a recently- (and freely-) replaced battery.

      If something can perform its intended job, it does not need replacing.

    2. Re:Like cars? by dskoll · · Score: 1

      2013 Honda Fit (so still a good 7 years of life left although cars in Canada succumb to rust), Nokia N900 and a six-year-old whitelabel PC. The fashion of tossing perfectly good things is criminally wasteful and environmentally irresponsible.

    3. Re:Like cars? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Radio Shack TRS-80, 1968 Volkswagen Bug, Carter is President, cell phones are just an itch in the FCC's butt.

      Life is good.

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    4. Re: Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Quarter horse. Abacus (that I recently and cheaply reoiled for faster calculations). Lincoln is president. My neighbor just died of cholera. This is the good life!

    5. Re:Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what.

      When you buy new stuff it's more energy efficient. That said, it doesn't justify incremental upgrades.

      Your 1999 Nissan likely burns oil at that age. Nothing older than 2006 really should be on the road unless it's a collector car. If it's a truck, that moves up to 2010. Anything older than 7-10 years you better be maintaining yourself, because damn will it ever cost you to replace a part.

      The iPhone likewise, Anything older than the SE or iPhone 5S is probably "too old" but probably still usable as a phone. I'd suggest replacing it in 2019 or 2020 once the battery stops holding a charge.

      2010 Mac, let's be honest, Apple hasn't improved the speed of their Mac's at all. The last "good" Mac was the Mac Pro 2010/2012 model. Everything else has been laptop-level rubbish, or over-engineered in a way that nobody asked for.

    6. Re:Like cars? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Tossing stuff is bad for your wallet... so how many people really do that? Old phones get handed down or sold. Same as old cars and computers. Stuff does get harder and more expensive to repair though, especially appliances.

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    7. Re: Like cars? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      My neighbor just died of cholera. This is the good life!

      So his widow is pretty hot I take it.

    8. Re: Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Burns some oil, maybe, but disposing of an old car and manufacturing and delivering a whole new car has some emissions, too, so there's a trade-off.

    9. Re:Like cars? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Your 1999 Nissan likely burns oil at that age. Nothing older than 2006 really should be on the road unless it's a collector car. If it's a truck, that moves up to 2010.

      This simply is not true. I have a truck from 1993. It doesn't burn oil. These days it only sees about 20 miles per year as I only use it to haul stuff to the dump, or buy mulch or landscaping stones, etc. Why in the hell would I buy a new truck to replace it when I costs me about around $120 per year? How much pollution is created to build a new vehicle? I'm going to guess quite a bit in comparison to a vehicle that even burns a modest amount of oil

      The iPhone likewise, Anything older than the SE or iPhone 5S is probably "too old" but probably still usable as a phone.

      Too old for what? I currently have a Samsung S5. It does more than I need it to. I can check email, make calls, texts, surf the internet, watch videos on it, oh I can also make calls. I've replaced the battery, but that's a simple 30 second process. In all honesty, I'd probably still be using my S3 if it hadn't broken. The main reason phones get "too old" is because manufacturers decide to stop making updates for them. Which makes me crazy. Essentially they get to decide when you need to buy a new phone.

    10. Re: Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost the same here, but I just bought a used iphone 6+ for $90

    11. Re:Like cars? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      can't speak for Nissans, but my 2010 Ford Fusion does 25MPG (UK gallons). I had a Ford Anglia in 1968 that did 25MPG. that would appear to be 50 years with NO PROGRESS AT ALL. However, the Anglia was far easier to repair, and only cost me £20 - probably the equivalent of £200 today, and went for scrap - probably got £5 for it. The Fusion cost me £7,000 about five years ago, and I had no offers when I advertised it for £4,000. Not so much progress as regress.

      As for phones, I have several - including a Samsung Note 3 for normal use, and a Nokia 6310i for my international calling SIM.

      I would buy a new note, but the bloody things have non-removable batteries and curved screens. Samsung will have to think again if they want to sell me something.

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    12. Re:Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iPhone likewise, Anything older than the SE or iPhone 5S is probably "too old" but probably still usable as a phone.

      Too old for what?

      Too old to receive security updates? I don't know if it actually is, but I figure that is what they were getting at, especially because of the "still usable as a phone" bit.

    13. Re: Like cars? by bigfinger76 · · Score: 0

      This isn't reddit.

    14. Re:Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can probably also drive your ford fusion at an immovable object at 50mph and walk away, while they would probably not be able to separate your from the dash of the anglia.

    15. Re:Like cars? by Gnostic+Nomad · · Score: 2

      1990s bicycle, a Nokia 3310 from 2002, Eee pc 901 laptop and - well, this is spanking new - AMD FX 8350 desktop. No, no kind of "smart".

    16. Re:Like cars? by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      Buying a new car and sending it to the crusher after 3 years because you want one could be wasteful and environmentally irresponsible.

      But most people sell their cars to someone else so there is no waste or additional impact on the environment.

      In the case of other stuff, it is wasteful and environmentally irresponsible to NOT discard your perfectly good incandescent light bulbs, your 1970's gas guzzler and your old tube TV/monitor. So I guess it depends on what you mean by "perfectly good".

    17. Re:Like cars? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      So what.

      When you buy new stuff it's more energy efficient.

      Not necessarily. Many modern safety requirements have made stuff less efficient.

      Nothing older than 2006 really should be on the road unless it's a collector car. If it's a truck, that moves up to 2010.

      What BS. You talk just like a politician in the pay of the motor industry. It depends on how the car has been used; I look after my cars and they are mostly used for long distance steady cruising (wife's car does the shopping trips). My present car is 10 years old and I bought it 2 years ago it having done only 30,000 miles; previous owner seemed not to have used it for several years. My car before that reached 275,000 miles at 20 years old; at 150,000 I took the engine to pieces (I am an ex-mechanic BTW) as I thought something was sure to need renewing but in fact it was all pristine.

      In the UK cars must pass an emmisions test every year. That sorts out the oil burners, and my cars have always passed with flying colours. It's not an age criterion.

    18. Re:Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 2015 Ford Fusion gets 41 MPG. Progress doesn't come in a steady stream. It comes in downpours and droughts.

    19. Re:Like cars? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      It's more complicated. The light bulb is simple. The monitor, how much energy does it take to dispose of all that lead impregnated glass? For the car, it has been stated that half the energy that the car uses in its lifetime is used in manufacture. If true, using that gas guzzler for longer might be a net win, especially considering disposal again.

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    20. Re:Like cars? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Me: 2004 Camry ...

      Me: smirks at the guy with the new car.

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    21. Re:Like cars? by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      If you drive your truck 20 miles per year then obviously that doesn't apply to you. However I get the pleasure of driving behind tons of people in 70s era trucks that spew smoke out of their tailpipes. The people driving them usually have lead feet too.

    22. Re:Like cars? by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      You can get cars with much higher gas mileage, it's about the choices you make.

    23. Re: Like cars? by war4peace · · Score: 2

      Yeah, due to yellow fever.

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    24. Re: Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not even remotely accurate, and even back of the hand calculations can show that.

      Assume your car gets 30MPG, and goes 150,000 miles. That's 5,000 gallons of gas. Gasoline contains 121MJ/gal. The average car takes 120,000MJ to produce.

      So the break-even point is at about 20,000 miles.

    25. Re: Like cars? by doomday · · Score: 1

      If you have a good driving record you could just rent a truck twice a year for $30-$50. Higher utilization of a shared vehicle is more efficient both cost and energy wise.

    26. Re:Like cars? by The123king · · Score: 1

      iPhone 5, 2011 Macbookl Air, 2010 HP Z600, and i take the bus.

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    27. Re: Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me walk!!!!!! Make fire!!!!!! Get women!!! LIFE GOOD!!!!! (In caveman. 20000 B.C.)

    28. Re:Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Nokia 3310

      Is that 2G? You must be using it on T-Mobile since AT&T is/has shut down its 2G network.

      > Eee pc 901 laptop

      You might want to upgrade. There are cheap laptops in the $150 range. Or you could get an Acer Aspire i3 laptop for $350. It's about the equivalent of a desktop. It has a 1080p display and can drive a couple of monitors with HDMI and VGA.

    29. Re:Like cars? by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Whether it's worthwhile to replace that old TV or monitor depends on how often it is used.

      The main TV in the living room that's on for hours every day? Of course, replace it. The TV in the guest room that gets used a few times a year? Don't bother on the grounds of saving energy, though you might want to replace it to provide a better experience for your visitors. Your main monitor on your gaming system? Of course. The monitor that gets turned on a handful of times per year on your home server? Don't bother. (Most of the time you don't need it; you don't need to see what's on the server's screen or you can administer it remotely.)

      The same logic may apply to the gas guzzler. If it's the car you drive to work every day, replacing it is a high priority. If it's a second car that you keep around for a couple of road trips each year, replacing it may not be justified.

      The incandescent light bulbs? Yeah, replace them. Unless they're in your Easy-Bake Oven.

    30. Re: Like cars? by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      If you live in a densely populated area that's a good solution; it's easy to rent a truck, and having the space to store your old one is likely to be costly. If you live in a remote location the nearest place you can rent a truck may be a long way away, in which case you're better off keeping the old one. The cost of manufacturing the old truck is a sunk cost that won't be recovered by scrapping it.

    31. Re:Like cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1994 Dodge Dakota, 2008 Dell Latitude E6400, 2012 Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G (hardware keyboard!)

  2. Market saturation by sanf780 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe the term that you need is "market saturation" of "good enough goods". The new devices promise more CPU and GPU power, but most people including me do not tap that power. It also does not help that recent OS versions have changed graphics, and people do not want to learn old things anew.

    1. Re:Market saturation by zifn4b · · Score: 2

      I believe the term that you need is "market saturation" of "good enough goods". The new devices promise more CPU and GPU power, but most people including me do not tap that power. It also does not help that recent OS versions have changed graphics, and people do not want to learn old things anew.

      According to free market capitalism there is no such thing as "good enough goods". There are supposed to be an infinite amount of innovation of products and services to sell in the market and produce capital. That's the entire underpinning of the entire Capitalist economic system. If we suddenly run out of new products and services to sell because no one desires anything better and everyone is cool with life as-is, the whole market collapses. What do we do then?

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    2. Re:Market saturation by gbjbaanb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, but there comes a point where "good enough" is not worth the cost of improving.

      As a n example, look at aircraft - in the early days of flight there were many improvements constantly appearing and aircraft got better and better, until we reached the 747 and Concorde (2 planes that performed different tasks - one efficient, one fast) and that's pretty much where the state of the art stopped. Nobody tried to make a new plane for a very long time after those, and even today when the first new models came out, one is bankrupting the company because its "too good" to be useful and isn't cost-effective for the customers.

      So everything reaches a plateau. I would think a S curve to technology improvements is mostly appropriate for even smartphones. Until a breakthrough technology like holographic or neuro-injected displays appears!

    3. Re:Market saturation by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think it's a problem as just because a smart phone has become "good enough" does not mean that there aren't plenty of other things that aren't "good enough" and worth improving upon or that we have invented everything that we need or would like to have. But even if we somehow manage to get to that magically point in time where any improvements to existing products have hit a wall of diminishing returns and can't imagine anything else we need, I don't think it's the end of the road.

      Just as we've seen with music and art, the next generation is not satisfied with their parents' music and there's no reason to think that "not your father's smartphone" won't be a thing either. You can even argue that much like with music that today's fare is nowhere near as good as what proceeded it in the 60's, 70's, or whatever other magical time period you want to use, that we'll see the same with phones. There may be no objective improvements and subjectively some will find the changes worse, but the new generation will want something of their own that defines them. Never mind the power of branding as social status which we already see driving a lot of purchasing decisions and there's plenty of room for continuing on into the future.

      The wheels of our economy don't depend on things getting demonstrably better in order to keep turning. They merely require that people keep wanting to buy things and engaging in economic exchange with one and other to obtain them. That those things may change over time is largely inconsequential, or we'd already be reeling from the losses seen the the horsewhip and buggy industries over 100 years ago, the utter destruction of the typewriter industry, and the massive number of jobs lost when we get rid of all of those telephone switch operators.

      If there's any major economic upheaval it will come from automated robots that are capable of laboring for humans and can be set to any task such that there's no need for a person who owns one to buy shoes since the robot can do all of the necessary labor from raising the food for the animals to be used for their leather all the way to molding the rubber soles and stitching the whole thing together for you and then keeping it in good repair. I think that's sufficiently far off into the future that it's not worth worrying about right now.

    4. Re:Market saturation by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 3, Informative

      As a n example, look at aircraft - in the early days of flight there were many improvements constantly appearing and aircraft got better and better, until we reached the 747 and Concorde (2 planes that performed different tasks - one efficient, one fast) and that's pretty much where the state of the art stopped.

      I'm sorry, but you know very little about modern aircraft. A modern 747 is no more similar to the 1970 model, than an iPhone X is similar to the original iPhone. Take a look at the 747 prototype vs. a semi-current 747-8F and check e.g. the size of the engine pods.

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    5. Re:Market saturation by mikael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Aircraft have continued to improve. Fly-by-wire systems. Lighter and stronger materials. Better fuel efficiency and quieter engines through advanced CFD modeling. More cost-effiective maintenance by having telemetry sent straight to the manufacturer. So parts can be sent to the next maintenance call before pilots report a problem. Some components are made from carbon-fibre for strength.

      But the basic general shape of an aircraft hasn't changed. It's a slow refinement process. You'll notice that the tips of wings have little wings themselves or actually curved upwards. That's to reduce drag due to wingtip vortices. The flight-control software continues to get upgrades.

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    6. Re: Market saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what you just said translated into PC talk is:

      Intel just released a new set of processors that are about the same speed (maybe 1.5-3% faster), more power efficient and have the same risk of being hacked but just wait until you see the new prototype they have!

    7. Re:Market saturation by Zuriel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not just refinement of existing designs - manufacturers are starting to experiment with electric aircraft now. Batteries don't have the capacity for long flights yet, but short hops are starting to look doable. Not to mention automated drones that can carry people. There was a hybrid aircraft announced late last year which had three ordinary jet engines, one electric engine, batteries and a generator.

      There's going to be some exciting developments in aircraft in the next few decades. They'll mostly have wings, a tail and a point at the front, but there's still a lot of stuff happening.

    8. Re:Market saturation by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 0

      Major counter-example: New Coke.

    9. Re:Market saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then we change our business model and start artificially crippling products and charging for things by the month.

    10. Re:Market saturation by Ramze · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you misunderstand capitalism. There have always been products that have reached peak innovation and have become ubiquitous, cheap, and offered by many suppliers at prices very near to their cost. They are called commodities.

      A great example of commodities are foods in the produce aisle. Sure, people grow and sell specialty cultivars (sometimes even with patents! -- especially the GMOs), but by and large... they're commodities.

      Screws, nails, hinges, bolts, nuts, pine wood, and many other things used in construction are commodities.

      The cell phone has a long way to go before it becomes a commodity unencumbered by patents, but its product life cycle will eventually be extended -- just like desktop PCs and laptops have gone from 2 year cycles to 3 year cycles... to 5 year and now 7 year cycles or longer. If/when Moore's Law prevents further die shrinks, we'll probably see some architecture changes that will keep things chugging along for a while..... and new battery technologies as well. But, sooner or later, after we've gotten the right architecture on the smallest sized chip with the best possible battery running on the fastest speed (5G or faster), and the patents run out on the hardware and the license restrictions on software are gone -- boom. Cell phone becomes a commodity with little to no change and cheap price.

      What drives the market is the exchange of goods and services. People are always going to need things they can't reasonably make/grow for themselves and have time and/or money to trade for those things. Capitalism doesn't live and die by computer/cell phone technology innovations. It's been around since long before computers existed. Plenty of other things to make and improve -- lots of new areas that need innovation as well. But, even if we become hyper advanced to where everything that could be invented has been and we have no new applications for that technology... people will still need stuff & still be willing to work or trade with others for that stuff in exchange for stuff that their trading partners want in return. That's the core of capitalism.

    11. Re:Market saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we suddenly run out of new products and services to sell because no one desires anything better and everyone is cool with life as-is, the whole market collapses. What do we do then?

      I don't know what most of the world will do, but americans will do what they do best...start another war.

    12. Re:Market saturation by zifn4b · · Score: 2

      Yes, but there comes a point where "good enough" is not worth the cost of improving.

      That's precisely my point. Moreover, what happens when the improvement in terms of effect to quality of life is so negligible that you can't formulate a value proposition for a sale? What then? Unemployment line?

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    13. Re:Market saturation by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      And a 2018 Honda Civic has many more bells and whistles than one made in 1988 - but it's still a midsized ICE car. Whoop de do.

    14. Re:Market saturation by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Just incremental improvements to efficiency.
      Nothing radically better.

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    15. Re:Market saturation by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      Then we change our business model and start artificially crippling products and charging for things by the month.

      This. Adobe are going the rental way with Photoshop, Microsoft with Office, and Microsoft are heading that way with Windows 10. A steady predictable income is a company accountant's wet dream, and the roller-coaster ride of the Win95/98/ME period is his nightmare. Not only does it give a software maker a steady income, they do not need to do much more development either - only security patches and the occasional cosmetic make-over to make the users feel they are paying for something.

    16. Re:Market saturation by zifn4b · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think it's a problem as just because a smart phone has become "good enough" does not mean that there aren't plenty of other things that aren't "good enough" and worth improving upon or that we have invented everything that we need or would like to have.

      This is such an American thing to say (disclaimer: I'm American). The problem with American culture is it wants "better stuff" not "better lives". Why "better stuff"? Well for the most part so you can show it off to your friends and say "wowee, don't you wish you could be me? I'm so cool." While you've managed to pull this off and everyone might admire you, you wake up every day thinking "fuck my life". This is why we are working longer hours to buy more stuff that we don't have any time to use. You've been suckered into the American commercialism/materialism trap.

      You're only here for a relatively short amount of time. How much stuff do you really need to be content in life? How much time do you need? See, that's the big question. How much is your finite time here worth? What good is having a big house filled with stuff if you're slaving away at a job you hate while your stuff is collecting dust? That's the trap.

      What's remarkable to me is that very few Americans ever question it and that's quite disturbing. Fight Club captured the idea quite eloquently in this scene. "The things you own, end up owning you." So chillingly true and yet another sucker falls into it every day and supports the system that mass produces the hand cuffs. I hope one day America wakes up and realizes there's more to life than expensive cars, clothes and gadgets.

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    17. Re:Market saturation by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      And a 2018 Honda Civic has many more bells and whistles than one made in 1988 - but it's still a midsized ICE car. Whoop de do.

      A Civic is not a mid-size car. The 1988 Civic was actually in the Subcompact class, and it has only reached the Compact class as of 2000.

      The current (10th generation) is large enough I would argue it probably should be considered mid-size, because it's very close to the dimensions of the mid-size 5th generation Honda Accord.

    18. Re:Market saturation by martinX · · Score: 1

      So the Civic has become kind of obese as it reached mid-life.

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    19. Re:Market saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is that no one is throwing away their old aircraft because of how much better the new shit is.
      They fly their old rust bucket until it litterally falls apart, and then they buy a new one.
      Same with phones now. In the past it made some kind of sense when newer phones were a major upgrade in terms of processing speed, camera, battery, whatever.
      Now the phones all look the same, are all just as flat, all have minimal besels, all have aluminum full body (or glass with wireless charging).
      Buying the next phone gives you nothing new, other than slightly more megapixels, without optical zoom therefore making it useless.
      And all that for 800 to 1000 dollars for flagship models.
      Meanwhile for 200 you can get a phone just as good as the one you have now, or you can keep the one you have now.

    20. Re:Market saturation by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Exactly. And when people's lives are on the line, you really want a slow refinement process. "Move fast and break things" is a terrible mantra for an aeronautical engineer.

      You'll notice that the tips of wings have little wings themselves or actually curved upwards. That's to reduce drag due to wingtip vortices.

      The flaring feathers on the tip of a bird's wings are the original prototype for those tips at the end of airline wings. Sort of neat how nature managed to solve some many of these problems first, even before we were aware it was a problem.

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    21. Re:Market saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      looks nearly the same to me. Grats on minor evolution I guess.

    22. Re:Market saturation by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Nope, they got it wildy wrong. Peak phone development also required durability, Peak phone development also requires greater localised capability, so not a search to the internet for a map, the planet stored locally. All speech processing locally processed, no access to the internet. The phone should only communicate with the internet when you specifically want to communicate with it.

      This of course because of naughty governments and insane corporations. The more locally you do things the safer you are, the more information you can withhold from corporations the safer you are (this has repeatedly been proven and will continue to be proven in the future). So a big jump in local storage of apps and data are required, to minimise connections for greater safety. Store fuck all on the web in other words because they routinely fail to secure it because greed and this quarters bonus.

      So that and durability are the next big thing. Also optometrist supplied VR glasses with properly ground lenses to suit you, to shrink the size right down, so you can carry a 125" screen in your pocket which you connect to your smart phone, probably more compact, screen just big enough for core usability and you put on the glasses when you are sitting down or standing still, for that really big screen impact.

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    23. Re:Market saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jets currently get lighter throughout the trip as the fuel is burned ... I can't imaging long distance flying will ever be serviced by batteries. The energy density would actually have to exceed jet fuel due to a larger *and* constant weight

    24. Re:Market saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The capitalist premise of ever growing market is completely flawed and has always been. Now we are seeing the proof of that.

      What we will do I do not know, but that system is reaching it's EOL.

    25. Re:Market saturation by mjwx · · Score: 1

      As a n example, look at aircraft - in the early days of flight there were many improvements constantly appearing and aircraft got better and better, until we reached the 747 and Concorde (2 planes that performed different tasks - one efficient, one fast) and that's pretty much where the state of the art stopped.

      I'm sorry, but you know very little about modern aircraft. A modern 747 is no more similar to the 1970 model, than an iPhone X is similar to the original iPhone.

      Sorry, but that's a terrible analogy. A 747-8 is a very different aircraft to the earlier two generations (the 1970's 747 and the 747-400 from the late 80's). There were great improvements in engines, materials, electronics, construction techniques although a lot of them were simply evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Airliners are a very mature market so changes happen over decades, not months. New designs are tested years before production. Most of the details of the A350 and B787 were known years before prototypes existed.

      An Iphone on the other hand is the same bollocks year in, year out with a bit of fancy marketing to fool people into buying one.

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    26. Re:Market saturation by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      The 1988 Civic was actually in the Subcompact class

      The 1988 Civic was a whopping 8 inches shorter in wheelbase than the 2018 Civic. So, very little fundamental difference between 30 years, despite the pedantry.

    27. Re:Market saturation by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The whole market doesn't collapse if people stop buying new smartphones. They'll spend the money on something else instead; a nicer house, meals out, a new TV, a Netflix subscription, seeing some plays, etc. The SMARTPHONE market might shrink but the capitalist system will not.

    28. Re:Market saturation by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      The 1988 Civic was a whopping 8 inches shorter in wheelbase than the 2018 Civic. So, very little fundamental difference between 30 years, despite the pedantry.

      Wheelbase? Talk about cherry-picking your stats.
      The car's length jumped a foot and half, its width almost half a foot, and let's not even talk about the weight.

    29. Re:Market saturation by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Oooo! A 9% difference in length! Have you considered treatment for your condition?

    30. Re:Market saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "According to free market capitalism ..."

      You shouldn't use words or phrases that you don't understand. First, you're anthropomorphizing something of an ill-defined concept (not defined in your post, at least). An idealist or a philosophy can have an "According to" but a non-defined and throw-away phrase ... not so much.

      "According to yellow germanic afterthoughts ..."

      There's no one on the other end of "free market capitalism". It sure as fuck isn't you. If nothing else, you'd know at least one word for "good enough goods" used by business-like people. Commodities.

      More so, you'd know - or ought to know - the market is just find trading in commodities. Fashion industries going out of business might make for headlines but it isn't cause for a panic (except for those in the fashion industry or those possibly overly enamored or vested in the same ... you?).

      Ways to remedy would be to reference a particular philosopher - like Karl Marx - or a particular philosophy - like Objectivism (formally defined, by Leonard Peikoff, as the philosophy of Ayn Rand) or maybe reference Catholicism with a well known leader that presumably speaks for it (and to mythical entities).

      This is how it should work,

      According to Das Kapital ... (Karl Marx)
      According to Objectivism ... (Ayn Rand)
      According to Catholicism ... (that pope guy)

      Instead, your wording comes off as, "I want talk about something relevant to modern business but I have no clue as to what that is."

      By many definitions the word "free" is redundant and "free market" doubly so. The curious capitalization later in your post - "Capitalist" - is also indicative of muddled thought.

      HTH

    31. Re:Market saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Expensive cars are not a thing any longer, since Gen Y and younger people drive around less. It is more directly the result of the 2008–2009 recession; a less direct — though no less important — cause is the stagnation of wages and income in the U.S.

      Clothes need to be renewed to look reasonably fashionable, and garments also have wear and tear. Eventually, young people settle into the clothes they feel best in, and won't change much into advanced age. Gadgets will also reach peak gadget, and are renewed less. Until some new revolutionary tech comes along.

    32. Re:Market saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, even if we become hyper advanced to where everything that could be invented has been and we have no new applications for that technology... people will still need stuff

      Westworld the series

  3. Needs a new direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I want:

    A tiny phone that just dials and talks and runs a 4G access point. You take this everywhere, it's tiny and fits in your pocket and solid enough to not need a case, you can call and read messages, and run it as a wifi hotspot. The interface reflects the tiny nature. Use a Wifi tablet as your main media/work device connected via the tiny phone's hotspot.

    Phones as getting bigger and clumsier, and Android tablets have stalled, (largely due to some idiot and his ChromeOS, and 'Android Go' targetting none existant markets).

    But to get bigger the phone part you need all the time needs to be separated from the big touch screen part, you only need sometimes.

    Something the size of an iPod Nano 8th Generation is what I want.

    1. Re:Needs a new direction by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I want it to run OpenBSD as well. I'll live with FreeBSD.

      That's it. Exactly what you said plus a shift from what ever Android has become under the direction of Google to a *BSD.

      My current phone is a Kyocera DuraPlus. And I still managed to break the screen.

      My mobile computing device with wifi and emergency cell service is a Galaxy Note 4. The only reason I upgraded was because my Note 3 fell out of my pocket and was taken out by my tractor's tiller because I was listening to FM radio on it. I have no interest in the Galaxy N+1 that they're on now. The battery is replaceable. It has Wifi, NFC, Bluetooth, FM Radio and a pen for notes. Plus I can plug it into USB OTG and hook it up to a TV. I would love to turn on a Hotspot on the DuraPlus and have a mobile datacenter.

    2. Re:Needs a new direction by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As an OpenBSD enthusiast as well, I would like to see my phone run it. But, I don't think desktop OSes generally run well on mobile platforms. We've learned that time and again from Microsoft's attempts at making a square peg fit a round hole one size fits all. It would take a really superbly engineered mobile desktop environment to be added to OpenBSD for it to work.

    3. Re:Needs a new direction by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      But as OP stated I don't need a "Desktop Environment". I need a way to make a phone call and turn it into a hotspot to connect a real DE. Be it a tablet, laptop, Galaxy Note sized computing device.

    4. Re: Needs a new direction by ranton · · Score: 1

      I think the new direction needs to be more options on the high end. Actually have a version of the latest iPhone / Samsung that has 2mm more depth to allow twice the battery power. Have screen sizes ranging from 3.5"-7". There are needs in the marketplace which aren't being met, and I know sales to at least users like me stalled as a result. The moment Note screens stopped getting bigger (curved screen doesn't count) is the moment my Note 4 became my first phone I have owned for over 3 years.

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    5. Re:Needs a new direction by bronney · · Score: 1

      But we're the minority. The majority don't care what OS it runs as long as it gets their job done so there's really no economic value in adopting bsd from the major manufacturers. I think to attract the mass, the best way is looks now that we've reached the cpu gpu plateau. We might probably go back to the time when Motorola used to make weird phones.

    6. Re:Needs a new direction by mikael · · Score: 3, Informative
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    7. Re:Needs a new direction by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      People rarely use the "phone". It just happens to be a more convenient size for viewing the apps that people really use their phone with that either a big tablet or a little phone.

      You can make "phone calls" and send/receive messages without a "phone".

      People don't want to cart a tablet around with them

    8. Re:Needs a new direction by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Well, obviously you know that the UI is something different from the core OS so OpenBSD could be run on a smartphone by having a touch interface similar to Android or iOS.
      When docked with a keyboard and mouse you could run the traditional desktop UI and applications.
      I'd love to have an smartphone like that but sadly Android and iOS seem to have won and that looks less likely every day

    9. Re:Needs a new direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a good idea, but you know, when I'm out and about I need to access my work emails (during work hours, of course), I also like to have access to my chat apps to keep in touch with my friends, and of course being able to read my favourite news sites when I have a few minutes to kill is also handy. So what I find is that I don't actually want to leave the tablet part behind all that often, so wouldn't it be awesome if someone combined the tablet and phone functionality into a single device.

    10. Re:Needs a new direction by LarryRiedel · · Score: 1

      A tiny phone that just dials and talks and runs a 4G access point.

      The Jelly is a step in the right direction.

    11. Re:Needs a new direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, if a "hotspot" fits inside a tiny device, why not just include it in your big device? Why do you need two separate devices?

    12. Re:Needs a new direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then there's no need for it to run BSD at all. Caring about what OS it's running is just fanboy faggotry.

    13. Re:Needs a new direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just get a tablet with 4g and Skype? (or another VOIP app)

      https://www.apple.com/shop/buy...

      $529, but they can be had cheaper.

  4. OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh huh... Wouldn't that be convenient for the NSA and other law enforcement agencies if people stopped buying new smartphones and instead stuck with the old/vulnerable smartphone they have. I've personally upgraded every few years for that exact reason starting with the Nexus 5. Nexus 5, Nexus 6P, Pixel XL and a Pixel 2 in a few months. Sadly the reviews on the Pixel 2 XL haven't been all that great...

    1. Re: OS updates by Pop69 · · Score: 1

      Pixel 2 XL is a decent phone. All the whining about the display in reviews isn't a problem in day to day use

    2. Re: OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May be, but it is hugely overpriced.

  5. Tablets too! by drewsup · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until the next gen memory chips start getting integrated, or some awesome nano tube tetraherz processor gets released, we have reached the more than good enough for 99 % of the population. And thank God for that, we don't need any more heaps of tech landfill as the multiple new generations of phone/tablets quickly obsolete themselves.

  6. lifespan of OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still find it disturbing up to this day that every phones older than a few years old gets out of support for security updates. Too many Android devices with old unpatched firmware in the wild. Iphone? 4 and a half years later and no more updates from Apple. The hardware might be robust, but manifacturers donâ(TM)t give a shit about keeping security & os updates indefinitely. Thatâ(TM)s a major problem. Thoughts?

    1. Re:lifespan of OS by LordKronos · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, google thought about it a while ago. That's the reason why Android Oreo introduced project treble. The reason the vast majority of smartphones never get updates is because each update requires vendor customization for each piece of hardware. Project treble has split apart the hardware support layer from the main OS layer. Going forward, the vendors only need to create the initial implementation of the hardware layer, and then each time a new version of Android is released it can be laid over top the old hardware layer with no rework necessary. Updates to the hardware layer are only necessary when there is a bug there, which of course is still a concern, but that's not where the vast majority of bugs are found these days.

    2. Re:lifespan of OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the first phone I can get with that will be the last phone I will get!

    3. Re:lifespan of OS by mikael · · Score: 1

      Didn't that happen with the Java API?

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    4. Re:lifespan of OS by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      Most new phones out there where on 6 this past fall, despite the comfortable availability of 7, and fresh release of 8.

      It takes 2 to 3 years for current versions of Android to reach the mainstream in a reasonable percentage. Till then, we're left with old devices that [sensible] people have little reason to shut off, barring physical breakage and battery degradation.

      Degradation nicely segues into an interesting conversation on Hackernews (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16318191) about what can be considered a reasonable slow support death for a long-lived device... the hardware looks new and hasn't failed, but the software from 5 years ago is no longer re-install-able in the event of a reset. There's a scary appy situation equivalent to link-rot that ultimately will get everyone off the old OS's... not going to be pretty

    5. Re:lifespan of OS by Juju · · Score: 1

      I have always have phones where the software updates outlived the hardware.
      And it's not because I bought crap hardware (not always anyway), but because I chose hardware where I had control over the software.
      I kept my first smartphone (First gen Samsung Galaxy S) for over 5 years. I unlocked the phone, got rid of carrier ROM, and later switched to Cyanogenmod.

      When I buy a phone, first criteria is to check I can unlock the bootloader. Then I check it is supported by Lineageos (or will be shortly because it has strong following on Xda-Dev.)
      I always keep my phones up to date via OTA, and can give them away (to friends or to my daughter) once I want to purchase a more recent model.
      Now that Google made their phones too expensive, I am going the Xiaomi route.

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  7. Or by captbollocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The more likely explanation is that people just don't have the disposable income they used to, in fact, it has been declining for years.

    1. Re:Or by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      The more likely explanation is that people just don't have the disposable income they used to, in fact, it has been declining for years.

      Nonsense! Disposable income is increasing thanks to Bitcoin! People are wisely investing any leftover cash in this miracle new currency instead of buying new smartphones. Next year, their Bitcoin profits will increase their disposable income so much that they can then afford to buy 100 new smartphones, instead of just one!

      Smartphone vendors really need to come out with phones that spew out cryptocoins in their spare time! Then folks will buy new smartphones. If it can't mine cryptocoins in its spare time, your "smartphone" is not "smart" enough!

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    2. Re:Or by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 2

      Actually my (and most other Americans) disposable income just jumped quite a bit... (We just looked at our first post-taxcut paycheck).

    3. The more likely explanation is that people just don't have the disposable income they used to, in fact, it has been declining for years.

      With the exception of Russia and Greece, the inverse of your claim seems to be what economists hold to be true.
      https://data.oecd.org/hha/hous...

    4. Re:Or by apoc.famine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually my (and most other Americans) disposable income has been flat and is not changing much. (We just looked at our first post-taxcut paycheck.)

      See! I can do anecdotes too!

      From the Tax Policy Center: The cut is estimated to be $930 this year for the middle one-fifth of taxpayers, which is about $35 a paycheck if you get paid every two weeks.

      I don't know how much you get paid, but I'm not going to call an extra $30 in my paycheck a big jump in disposable income.

      And I'm not going to celebrate it in any case, because come tax time, I'll likely owe way more than I ended up getting back in my paycheck anyway. Some of the other tax changes aren't going to be apparent until we get to filing next year, and it looks like some of them are going to hurt a lot of people. I really don't know what the SALT and standard deduction changes are going to mean for me personally, but initial indications are that I'm going to owe more come tax time. To the point that it might be worth upping my witholdings, and thus reducing my paycheck.

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    5. Re:Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what economists hold to be true.

      Economists == Witch_Doctors + Fortune_Tellers

      Strat

    6. Re:Or by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      WTF Slashdot!? I didn't tick the AC box!

      Strat

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    7. Re: Or by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      That's not how disposable income is calculated Trumptard.

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    8. Re:Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work in a hospital (clinical pharmacist myself) and work with plenty of people with loads of disposable income. What do I commonly see? iPhone 6/6s, SE, older Galaxy models. No one cares about the latest and greatest cellphone anymore. I'm running a 6s with a fresh battery and see no reason to upgrade anytime soon. Money isn't the issue. I know one person with the iPhone X.

    9. Replying to your parent post:

      In this particular case the methodology and sources are accounted for, on the other hand we have your word (and to be honest, I don't think you're doing great).

    10. Re:Or by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      In this particular case the methodology and sources are accounted for

      Same has been said by multitudes of economists right before being proven not just wrong, but stunningly wrong countless times. On average economists have about the same accuracy as fortune tellers and share many of the same techniques, although admittedly on much different scales.

      on the other hand we have your word (and to be honest, I don't think you're doing great).

      I'm not claiming to be an 'economist' nor am I attempting to make economic predictions as I don't believe in fortune telling nor witch-doctoring, so naturally my predictive average accuracy in economics is non-existent.

      Strat

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    11. In this particular case the methodology and sources are accounted for

      Same has been said by multitudes of economists right before being proven not just wrong, but stunningly wrong countless times. On average economists have about the same accuracy as fortune tellers and share many of the same techniques, although admittedly on much different scales.

      on the other hand we have your word (and to be honest, I don't think you're doing great).

      I'm not claiming to be an 'economist' nor am I attempting to make economic predictions as I don't believe in fortune telling nor witch-doctoring, so naturally my predictive average accuracy in economics is non-existent.

      Strat

      Except in this case they are not making economic predictions, but interpret historical data.

    12. Re:Or by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

      Same here, an extra $30 a month, not to mention removal of the $850 a year Obama tax. I might actually be able to buy my next phone out of pocket instead of sticking with a 2-year contract.

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  8. Another device is "good enough" by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Computers have reached that no later than 2008. A level of quality that is basically sufficient to satisfy nearly all users, and if all you really care about is office, that level was already reached before the millennium rolled over. You could easily tell that by simply looking at how long you keep your computer. This one here is now about 5 years old and I still have no reason to replace it. I don't think a computer would have lasted me 5 years back in 2000, simply because most new software wouldn't run on it properly.

    Today I'm hard pressed to find software that doesn't run and if, I'd be hard pressed to say I want or even need that software.

    Same with smartphones today. People can do what they want to do with the cellphones they already have. The need to upgrade because the new version of your OS doesn't run or to finally run the software you want to run smoothly simply isn't there anymore. Better graphics, more CPU power, ok, but what for? Until we replace our computers with cellphones, i.e. having docking stations that turn cellphones into desktop replacements, the need for that power simply isn't there.

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    1. Re:Another device is "good enough" by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hah. Microsoft is smarter than you are.

      So, you think your machine is OK because it could run MS Office? Guess what? We moved the goal posts. Now your machine wheezes and sputters.

      Think you can just keep using your old copies and licenses? Oops. Those servers. Just where did we put them?

      It's really not that hard to bloat up software. Lots of companies have been perfecting this behavior for years.

      Oooh! Shiny!

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    2. Re:Another device is "good enough" by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Better graphics, more CPU power, ok, but what for?

      Hobby work and media. We're now in a world where for $200 you can buy a camera that can record 4k HFR content. You have a screen with lots of pixels to fill. Sure you can run your game at a lower resolution but those nice screens exist for a reason.

      I agree with the general sentiment but there's a surprising number of people who still have a need for some high end computing power. Not just nerds or gamers but common people. My last PC upgrade was in 2015, and I was replacing a computer that wasn't even remotely 2008 old because it was just too damn slow processing the high resolution photos from my camera.

      Having it work as a minimum and having it functional and not pissing you off with delay are two different things.

    3. Re:Another device is "good enough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Progress has slowed, but not by that much. 2008 was pre-retina and - more importantly - pre-SSD.

    4. Re:Another device is "good enough" by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Actually this is true for gamers as well, you can find plenty of vids on YouTube of people playing popular titles like the new Doom title and Rocket League on 10 year old Phenom IIs and C2Qs. I can say I've ended up joining that camp as well as I used to build a PC every other year (with a major upgrade in the off year) during the MHz wars, but now? My FX-8320e (which is just a gold binned FX-8350 from 2012) plays all my games at 60 FPS+ paired with an R9 280 and just chews through video renders like it was nothing so why spend the extra cash? So I can go from 93 FPS to 115 FPS?

      The same appears to be true for my smartphone as I have zero desire to get a new one despite my current phone being a couple of years old. It has quad cores, 1.5Gb of RAM, 16GB of storage with another 32Gb on MicroSD, hell it even plays 3D games quite well on its 5.5 inch screen not that I give a shit as I hate touch controls in gaming. It sucks that its max OS is Android 5.1 but that is the OEMs trying to force obsolescence but I'm not gonna spend several hundred on a new phone every year just because those bastards never update software (and don't say "get an iPhone" because I would rather have an STD than deal with Apple's Fisher Price GUI) so as long as the hardware holds out they can just piss right off, what I have "just works" does what I want it to quite well.

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    5. Re:Another device is "good enough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And that is becoming a balancing act as well as the Free stuff gets better as well.

      MS Office running slow? Libre Office is out and getting better as it goes. Just need a friend who knows about it to show you and unless you need MS Office specifically for work, good chance it will be good enough for you too so long as you are willing to try it.

      Not calling this or any year "The Year or Linux" or some equivalent, just pointing out that the more they push that bloat, the more they push people to try alternatives to them especially when they also natively run on windows as well so they don't have to change their whole experience to use it.

    6. Re:Another device is "good enough" by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Computers have reached that no later than 2008.

      I recommend 2011 as the cutoff. That's when Intel released Sandy Bridge, which was the first architecture (outside of mobile processors) where they took reducing power consumption seriously. A Sandy Bridge system will idle down around 35-40 Watts (vs. about 20-25 Watts for a modern system). Nehalem and Core 2 were closer to 100 Watts, 70 Watts if you really worked to pick out low-power components.

      By a remarkable coincidence, if you pay the U.S. average electricity rate of 11.5 cents/kWh, then every Watt consumed by a device left on 24/7 will cost you almost exactly $1 in a year. So a Core 2 Duo system left on 24/7 will burn (100-40) = 60 Watts = $60 more per year than a Sandy Bridge system, $75 more per year than a modern system. Over the 7 years since Sandy Bridge has been out, that amounts to $420+ extra you've paid for electricity because you didn't upgrade.

      If you have the computer on only 8 hours/day (office tasks, games, web browsing), that gets cut to a third. $20-$25 extra per year. Or $140+ extra you've paid in electricity over the last 7 years because you haven't upgraded. If you live in an area where electricity prices are higher, then the amount of money you're wasting by not upgrading is correspondingly higher.

      While older systems (especially Core 2) are still powerful enough for modern use, I don't consider them cost-effective to keep around unless you take other steps to reduce their power consumption (e.g. enable sleep after x minutes). The really inefficient systems like Pentium 4 (130+ Watts idle) should be sent straight to the landfill, not donated for people in developing countries to use.

    7. Re:Another device is "good enough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW, I have from 2010 an Athlon II X2 250, which idles at 30W (from the wallwart).

    8. Re:Another device is "good enough" by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      You're reading it completely backward. It's not that modern computers satisfy users needs, it's that developers stopped doing bloated software thinking that in two years the hardware will make it run fine. Because Moore's law stopped and new computers stopped being 2x more powerful every 18 month. Increase in power is much slower these days, so your 5 year old computer is still not that less powerful from the top of the line today. So software written for the top of the line run fine on yours.

      It's the same for smartphones. 3G iPhone was slow as hell compared to a 3GS, itself much slower than a 4, etc... These days, the power increase is much more incremental, so a 3 years old iPhone is a bit more powerful than an iPhone X, but not that much, so it is able to run the same software at more than acceptable speed.

      It's not about user needs. It's about year over year speed increases slowing down.

    9. Re:Another device is "good enough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moore's law isn't about power, it's about transistor density.

    10. Re:Another device is "good enough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SSD is an easy-enough upgrade. Moves my 2008 MacBook to SSD before selling it and buying a 2012 MacBook pro, which I also moved to SSD and am still using today.

    11. Re:Another device is "good enough" by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Plus Moore's Law for silicon is nearly dead:

      45 nm – 2008
      32 nm – 2010
      22 nm – 2012
      14 nm – 2014
      10 nm – 2017
      7 nm – ~2018
      5 nm – ~2020

      Semiconductor fab

    12. Re:Another device is "good enough" by fisted · · Score: 1

      it's that developers stopped doing bloated software

      Ha ha ha ha ha. Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder...

    13. Re:Another device is "good enough" by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The power usage isn't nearly as big of a deal as you make it out to be. Even taking the 130 W P4 versus a modern system at 30 W, that's only an $100 a year if you leave it on 24/7. Which is a bit crazy - I would either figure out if the computer really needs to be on 24/7, and if it really does, consider replacing it. If you run it 8 hours a day, now it's an extra $33 a year. Now you're probably looking at a decade for the replacement to pay for itself. If it's used even less, the payback time is probably longer than the replacement is reasonably expected to last, so I would say you're firmly in the "if it still works and does the job, just keep using it" category.

      If you are that worried about energy usage I would look at your appliances, HVAC system, insulation, quality of your windows, etc. before fretting about whether a computer uses 60 W or 30 W.

    14. Re:Another device is "good enough" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opportunist, it's interesting to compare your emotional state when you are talking about computers and electronic devices, you lovingly cherish them and gently sustain them for years, to you computers are sacred. But when the topic is members of the human race and unborn children you start screaming that life isn't sacred, you rage and foam at the mouth and want to abort them and you drop f-bombs in every sentence. What's up with that, people make you mad, bro?

  9. Batteries by MMC+Monster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the next thing we'll see is an uptick in requests for new batteries from current phone owners.

    People will decide that the phone they have is "good enough" and just replace batteries when the charge isn't enough to get them through the day,

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    1. Re:Batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manufacturers have already thought of that. Why do you think nearly all phones don't have replaceable batteries these days?

  10. About time by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I hate upgrading shit just for the sake of upgrading. I can't justify getting rid of something in perfect working order just because something new is released. I just wait until something breaks, then go out and buy the best replacement I can at the moment, which will last me another several years.

    I was glad when AV gear reached the good enough point (1080p and DD 5.1 surround for me), then PCs (after I quit hardcore gaming, I doubt I'll ever need more than an i5 and 8GB of RAM and 1TB HDD for the foreseeable future), now smartphones.

    All my devices have all the features I want, and more.

    Having said all that, I'm glad we got to the good enough point with smartphones. Hopefully, the prices of high end devices can start coming down now.

    1. Re:About time by DaMattster · · Score: 2

      I hate upgrading shit just for the sake of upgrading. I can't justify getting rid of something in perfect working order just because something new is released. I just wait until something breaks, then go out and buy the best replacement I can at the moment, which will last me another several years. I was glad when AV gear reached the good enough point (1080p and DD 5.1 surround for me), then PCs (after I quit hardcore gaming, I doubt I'll ever need more than an i5 and 8GB of RAM and 1TB HDD for the foreseeable future), now smartphones. All my devices have all the features I want, and more. Having said all that, I'm glad we got to the good enough point with smartphones. Hopefully, the prices of high end devices can start coming down now.

      I am right there with you. I have a laptop from 2012 that still works great. My smart phone is some budget ZTE that I only bought to replace the previous one where the screen cracked. It's now almost a year and a half old and I'll just keep it until it dies. I've long since discovered that there is no merit to buying a flagship phone, or for that matter, even a flagship computer.

    2. Re:About time by fafalone · · Score: 1

      1TB of hard drive space is useless unless you stream everything or watch and delete, and there's still plenty of us resisting the 'must always be connected' 'can't format shift' 'selection limited to whatever the providers offer at that particular moment, with things you like constantly disappearing' model that streaming offers. My graphics card, 8GB of RAM, and mobo/CPU are practically ancient being from my last new build in 2010, but hard drive space? Always need more. The 16TB I have now is nearly full; will have to triple that when going to 4K.

    3. Re:About time by iampiti · · Score: 1

      I too feel that the hardware in smartphones is good enough. Their downside is that it tends to break pretty soon (in my experiences between 2 and 4 years) so you have to replace it sooner than later because of that.
      I try to buy phones with user replaceable batteries for that reason

    4. Re:About time by KixWooder · · Score: 2

      I don't steam everything, but I don't hoard everything either. I'm having trouble filling up a 4tb drive that I have plugged into my router. I just don't care enough to have everything in digital format. I still own plenty of CDs and DVDs/Blue-Ray.

      As for 4k..it's about as exciting as day-old bread.

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    5. Re: About time by KixWooder · · Score: 1

      Blu-ray*

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    6. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on my third smartphone since the beginning of smartphones, but I'm approaching my breaking point (albeit much later than many others, but I guess I just couldn't keep it up forever) in wanting to keep up with the OS/software bloat.

      Even despite running Lineage (which I presume to be relatively more lightweight), it's starting to aggravate me to see input feedback response slow down even minutely with every update.

  11. Cameras (and software) have a loong way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, if you can move at the right distance they are good enough.
    But even if it's a relatively tame but small bird, essentially no smartphone will give you more than a blob. It certainly won't look beautiful.
    Personally I'd call them done when they can replace a cheap binocular, but that might never happen.
    And then the horror of the software. If you try to take photos of a flower it'll put the ground behind it in focus instead of the flower, since it is really stupid about what is important.
    Snapshot of a butterfly flying by? In your dreams.
    They have a looong way to go, but the hardware is getting hard to improve, and the people making them have neither the skills nor the manpower for anything beyond useless UI changes in the software (to a degree, yes, that includes Apple).

    1. Re: Cameras (and software) have a loong way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't start with Google, they sure are busy doing SOMETHING to Android the whole time.
      Damned if I know anything of that I'd actually want to buy a phone for - certainly not that Assistant stuff.

    2. Re:Cameras (and software) have a loong way to go by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      I specifically want to see better cameras in mid-range phones; there are huge swaths of people who can't or won't buy top-end flagship-phones (me included! I'm sticking with my OnePlus 3T), but who still wish to make use of the cameras their phones ship with. The problem is, mid-range phones only ever get 8-year old camera-designs or worse, with manufacturers not even trying to improve the situation. "Want better camera? Well, you'll have to pay for every single bell and whistle we can come up with, even if you don't need them, including our Glorious Designer(TM)-approved, useless, gimmicky glass backs!"

    3. Re:Cameras (and software) have a loong way to go by mikael · · Score: 1

      If you want a top-end camera, then you need a top-end CPU/GPU for video processing. That requires more memory and compute power for video/image compression, plus better network speed. In the end that requires the top of the range phone.

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    4. Re:Cameras (and software) have a loong way to go by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I was with you until the end, but WHY does a high-end camera in the phone require better network speed? It should take a picture of what's in front of it and store that picture on the phone, period. If you want to upload it to the cloud and each picture takes twenty minutes over EDGE, that's your problem with a specific feature not related to the average image quality.

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    5. Re:Cameras (and software) have a loong way to go by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      If you want a top-end camera, then you need a top-end CPU/GPU for video processing. That requires more memory and compute power for video/image compression, plus better network speed. In the end that requires the top of the range phone.

      Compression is done by a DSP, not the GPU or the CPU, so no, you don't need top-end CPU/GPU for that. Image-stabilization and various effects are usually done in software, but one could just as well design a DSP for that, too. As for network-speed: network-speed is entirely fucking irrelevant when it comes to taking pictures or video. In fact, you can take pictures/video even without any SIM-card at all!

    6. Re:Cameras (and software) have a loong way to go by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you really want a top-end camera, get a SLR. phone cameras will always be a compromise. The SLR doesn't have to worry about making calls or playing . Also it's big enough to use real optics.

    7. Re:Cameras (and software) have a loong way to go by Archimonde · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The best camera is the one you have with you. So if you can get a good camera with your phone that is great.

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    8. Re:Cameras (and software) have a loong way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best camera is the one you have with you.

      So your eyes and brain then, as you always have them with you and would need them anyway to view a recorded image. Nevermind the need to remember that it exists or have the desire to view it again. Also the fact that your eyes are (currently) the best input for visual information you can get.

      So if you can get a good camera with your phone that is great.

      Keep dreaming then. No smartphone manufacturer is going to invest the time, effort, and space, required to implement good optics in a smartphone that gets tossed around like a bag of chocolate on a hot summer day. Especially given that most won't care about the improvements, and the lack of modularity that would be needed for those that do to make up the cost. The professional camera manufacturers will never do that unless forced to, as they want to keep their profit levels high. Most of those can run the cost of a phone in and of themselves, a price point that can not be added to the cost of a phone and remain profitable. Plus the dedicated unit allows for custom chips, expandability, and proprietary addons that everyone hates, all of which would need to be sacrificed if it was to merge with phones. As people don't like carrying around large devices with them. That's what gives you the camera in your phone to begin with. All of the extra that makes a professional camera "professional" has been removed or automated so it will fit and work with a phone's form factor and cost.

      In short, getting a professional camera out of a phone is not going to happen in the near future. There's too much working against it. The best you might hope for is a manual zoom / focus.

  12. Analogy fail by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The automobile analogy isn't apt because even though the average age of an auto on the road rose to an all time high of 11.5 years in 2015, new vehicles were still being purchased in record numbers...

    -- a paradox attributable to substantial increases in reliability.

    True innovation is what's lacking, and perhaps phone manufacturers have been resting on their laurels, confident the need for the "newest shiny thing" would be enough to carry the day.

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    1. Re:Analogy fail by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      The automobile analogy isn't apt because even though the average age of an auto on the road rose to an all time high of 11.5 years in 2015, new vehicles were still being purchased in record numbers...

      Well, first I'd normally stop reading at the word "average" because the arithmetical mean is usually a lousy statistic. You don't need many 15, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60+ year-old cars still "on the road" (i.e. registered, even if they only ever get driven to 3 classic car rallies a year or are rented out for weddings) to drag up that average - there aren't many cars less than 0 years old to balance them out.

      Second, "record numbers" compared to what? The "affordable" motor car has been a thing for a century, and if the Model T wasn't entirely practical, the basic "modern" car (that you or I would be able to hop in and drive without learning about double-declutching or advance/retard levers) was probably around by 1950, if not earlier. Developments since then have been slow and incremental - and the growth in the market has been slow and incremental, too, We buy new cars not because because our current car is obsolete, but because it is knackered (where the threshold for "knackered" varies from 'the ashtrays are full' to 'the floor just fell out' depending on your socio-economic status).

      I don't think there was ever a 5 year period during which car ownership jumped from a few rich enthusiasts to 2.4 per family. Nor was there a 30 year period during which the price of a half-decent car remained the same, or lower in figures (even ignoring inflation) while the specifications of "half-decent" grew by several orders of magnitude. Yet that's exactly what's happened with personal computers/smartphones (NB: smartphones are personal computers by any definition that doesn't also exclude 90% of "real" personal computers).

      If cars were personal computers, the Model T would have been out in 1979, the Mustang in 1983, the Prius in 1990 and we'd have spent New Year's Eve 1999 complaining about how we paid $800 for our Tesla Model 3 and still had to wait half an hour for the millennium bug patch to download on our 56k modems and had to buy adapters for all our old cigar-lighter powered devices.

      So its not really an analogy - rather, its an example of the business model for a mature product that isn't driven by Moore's Law making 18-month old products genuinely obsolescent. The IT industry is going to have to adapt to that model - the whole mobile computing thing has served to delay that day a little, now we're seeing (finally) price inflation and blatant planned obsolescence.

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    2. Re:Analogy fail by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Good point on the average age of vehicles still on the road, and to be fair, we would also need to quantify what still on the road means precisely... driven X km per year or merely registered, for instance.

      FTL: (US numbers)

      The number of vehicles on the road that are at least 25 years old is about 14 million. That's up from about 8 million in 2002. Those are vehicles made in 1990 or earlier. Meanwhile, the number of vehicles that are 16 to 24 years old is 44 million. That's up from 26 million in 2002, according to IHS.

      This suggests the types of vehicles coveted by collectors make up the smallest sample, and Car and Driver suggested the number was about 5 million in 2014.

      Cellphones exponential growth is difficult to rival, but in the production life of the Ford Model T (1908-1927), automobile registrations rose from less than 200K to more than 23 million.

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    3. Re:Analogy fail by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Automakers actually came up with the strategy of refreshing the car's styling every few years in order to drive new car sales despite there being no significant mechanical improvements. They basically turned cars into fashion accessories.

  13. I need a proper portable computer though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * As small as possible, but not at the expense of a battery. Must fit in my pocket. Comfortably. Does not need a screen.
    * A full open operating system.
    * Enough power to do any consumption, creation and editing of text, code, images, vector graphics, audio, video, and databases. (But not heavy 3D or workstation-level tasks.).
    * Ability to use arbitrary USB/ Bluetooth devices (like keyboard/mouse/speaker/mic/cam) and screens/projectors.
    * Preferably without a mess of a bazillion devices that would be better with a case around them, and without a bazillion batteries to recharge and wear down.

    Then I would only need my desktop PC for the big tasks.

    Oh, and <$20 full-featured home "cloud" devices, offering self-resolving DNS, a public dyndns domain with sub-domains, VPN support (to the phone and to an anonymizer), full syncing of PIM data, and the ability to attach arbitrary TB/USB3 drives for a central storage.

    Nearly all of that is already available. Basically all that's missing, is proper Linux drivers for my current phone, and the ability to run LineageOS in top (not below!) of it for regular phone usage.
    (And now you know why I haven't already done it.)

    1. Re: I need a proper portable computer though. by jecowa · · Score: 1

      I'm curious why you don't feel that a screen is an important component of a portable computer. Does running Linux on top instead of below mean that you want to boot into Linux instead of running it in an emulator?

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    2. Re: I need a proper portable computer though. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Does running Linux on top instead of below mean that you want to boot into Linux instead of running it in an emulator?

      It's sad that you have to ask, but top/bottom and low/high is undergoing a change to mean the exact opposite of what it originally meant. This might be a battle that's already lost, but I hope not.

      I'm old school, so when I say low level or bottom, I mean fundamental, close to the hardware, and requiring a heck of a lot more understanding than high level or top level, which is abstracted and simplified.
      But when a young manager hears "low level", he or she thinks it means low understanding and detail level, and thinks that "high level" means high understanding and detail level. I even had one manager suggest that we "dive down to the top level". The mind boggles.

    3. Re:I need a proper portable computer though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  14. Tue... but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you'll always have to upgrade because of OS and App bloat. I had an older Samsung tablet (android 6.0) that could not run the newer youtube app, I had to uninstall updates and run the built-in app, which had stability issues. That's but one example... and that's how the hardware cycle is enforced.

    Now if you could easily install a different OS distribution, then perhaps the overhead issue could be addressed.

    Also, it's Sunday morning and I have a boner.

  15. Time for a new part to wear out by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The planned obsolescence via expensive, non-user replaceable batteries isn't working like it used to. It's time for phone makers to come up with a more expensive part to wear out, one which can't so easily be manufactured by third parties. How about they start designing the screens to get dimmer over the life of the phone, so that by the third year they're completely dark? That should do the trick to get the upgrades rolling again.

    1. Re: Time for a new part to wear out by jecowa · · Score: 1

      Apple recently switched to OLED displays in their iPhone X. Although OLED have much better contrast and better blacks, they are supposed to have a shorter life span due to their organic components.

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    2. Re: Time for a new part to wear out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMOLED is making progress on this front

    3. Re:Time for a new part to wear out by mikael · · Score: 1

      Screens tend to crack when they hit the ground. Despite having a 0.5cm wallet, my phone was unlucky enough to hit a tiny concrete stub right next to a vending machine. Instant crack. Would cost $150 to repair.

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    4. Re: Time for a new part to wear out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hugely so. Every OLED suffers from image burn-in. The one in the Pixel 2 XL is one of the fastest, having examples burned in before the product had been on the market 60 days.

      Got something you use for an hour a day? Get used to seeing the negative of its UI elements on your screen whenever you're doing something else.

    5. Re:Time for a new part to wear out by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The planned obsolescence via expensive, non-user replaceable batteries isn't working like it used to.

      This was never something they relied on. Instead it was painfully poorly written software bogging down the processors of the time while actually adding useful features at each upgrade that made people WANT to replace their devices.

      That ended a couple of years ago.

      I remember WANTING to upgrade to Froyo.
      I remember that I couldn't wait to ditch the Galaxy S5 which with each successive update had become a slow piece of crap.

    6. Re:Time for a new part to wear out by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you are on the right track with the screen, though the method they seem to be using is to make the the screen go all the way out the edge of the device, making them exceptionally fragile and prone for breaking should the device be dropped. Don't forget that the device also needs to be extremely thin, and made out of highly polished metal and/or plastic with no grip as to be as slippery as possible.

      Of course, you can always buy a case, but another advantage to having the screen go all the way to the edge is that it also makes it harder to create a case that can adequately protect it without covering part the of screen.

  16. ... then just stop. by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree that we've hit the point where, for most people most of the time, a phone from 3 years ago serves just as well as the brand new model. And here's the thing about that: I wish vendors would let that be.

    Because what tends to happen is they stop making meaningful and useful improvements, and instead focus on cramming in useless "improvements" that make the whole thing harder to deal with. Windows 7 was good enough, and so we got Windows 8 that ruined the UI, followed by Windows 10 which keeps cramming more and more advertising into vital functions while stripping away useful controls. Every version of Windows moves has new "features" and moves around the controls, but none of them actually improve it. Meanwhile, Apple has started forcing Siri into everything and putting that touch bar at the top of the keyboard, which are also pretty useless.

    Screw the gimmicks. If you can come up with a real improvement that makes things easier and more effective, great. Otherwise, just focus on refinements. Make it a little faster. Make the battery last longer. Start looking at the problems that users actually have, the annoyances and pesky bugs, and work on fixing those.

    There's nothing wrong with reaching the point where the innovation has dried up. Accept it, and make continual incremental improvements and refinements.

  17. Apple asleep not to realize smartphone saturation by SteffenJobbs · · Score: 1

    Apple should have seen this coming a mile away and could have stopped depending on iPhone sales to carry to company. With the amount of cash Apple had to spend over the last five years, they could have found some other businesses to offset a rapid decrease in iPhone sales. They could have gone into some cloud business as most major tech companies did or they should have gone into a video and audio streaming content business like Amazon and Alphabet did. Now, Apple is mainly stuck with a one-trick iPhone pony show, at least as far as Wall Street is concerned. Apple supposedly has a lot of data centers and I have no idea what Apple is using them for. At least the other major tech companies are using their data centers to bring in revenue by supporting services for other companies. Apple didn't even partner with other companies for undersea data cables and I haven't heard any deals with broadband satellite companies. It seems as though all consumers want now in the way of smartphones is cheap $150 Android smartphones because most consumers are too poor to buy anything more expensive. Places like India, Africa and South America sure don't want to be bothered with expensive smartphones when they have no actual need for them. Apple should have realized this day was coming when smartphone sales would come to nearly a halt as the world fills up with consumers needing smartphones every year. Once India gets saturated with smartphones, that's all there is and there's nothing left but even poorer nations with less population. Apple better find some new products or services or some completely new business to take over decreasing iPhone sales.

  18. So what exactly is the point of the article? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1
    That from this year on, smartphones can't get any better? Why not a year ago or 2 and a half years ago? Or for that matter: do we all really need smartphones at all?(4 years ago also from WashPo)

    Or is the author just trying to explain why smartphone sales are slumping? That we have reached "peak smartphone" (that claim isn't new either)?

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  19. For about 18 months by Kohath · · Score: 1

    Then 5G starts rolling out and you'll need to upgrade for that. Probably more than once.

    1. Re:For about 18 months by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Then 5G starts rolling out and you'll need to upgrade for that

      Maybe if my 4G worked I would believe you.

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    2. Re:For about 18 months by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Not while the current networks continue to work. 4G is plenty fast for me, unless they switch off the current frequencies I can keep using my current phone

    3. Re:For about 18 months by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when I’m working on the train... the problem isn’t that my LTE connections aren’t fast enough - they are plenty fast. The issue is the holes in coverage where the speed drops to almost nothing.

      And those holes seem to be shared across providers, at least along my Sounder train route. My phone is on T-Mobile now, but I used to be with AT&T - and I have also checked using a Verizon iPad. They all seem to crap out in the same spots.

      Its a bit odd, since Verizon does a better job when I head into the true boonies (which is the reason I bought that device). But they do have some holes in their urban coverage.

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    4. Re:For about 18 months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never had a problem with 3G speeds, LTE was a given by the time the iPhone 3GS had kicked the bucket, and 4G/LTE was standard by the time my 4S was ready to be swapped out with an iPhone 6. The reality is that the phones don't actually last as long as people think they do. They die for various reasons: water/sweat damage, dead screen, shorted data port, etc... It won't matter that 5G has rolled out since by the time it is widely available, most people's phones will be dead or acting up in a way that makes people want to replace their phone resulting in them ending up with a 5G capable phone as a given.

    5. Re:For about 18 months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speed boosts are utterly pointless if you have data caps.

      It'd be like buying a Lamborghini to drive on 55 MPH roads.

  20. Re:Apple asleep not to realize smartphone saturati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AAPL is trading close to the 52 week high, with a P/E ratio of less than 17. They are sitting on over $250 billion in cash. You don't have the first clue what Wall St thinks about this stock.

  21. Is the smarthphone now dead like the desktop PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, does this mean we will now get flooded with articles that tell us: "The smarthphone is DEAD! OMG!!! " like we have been told about the desktop PC for 20 years?

    Posting from a desktop PC btw.

  22. Time for Apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of them must be the National ID card. How else would you fight the issues of identity and medical information theft and fraud related to government services? Modern chipped cards are too expensive given the scale and renewal rate, so implement the service on the device most people already have and then subsidize it to those who don't. Too Orwellian? Might as well say that the idea of government services is too Orwellian.

  23. We don't ALL have to buy a flagship phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The $200-$400 phones are good enough for most people, and there are now a lot of options these days such as the Moto g or z. Some people are still stuck in the old mindset they have to buy a $800 flagship phone. You don't. The mid-range phones are very good spec-wise, and will also last years -- depending on how ethical the manufacturer's OS support is.

  24. Tailfins by jabberw0k · · Score: 2

    My dad didn't buy a car during the whole tailfin craze. My circa-2007 flip-phone still works perfectly and I intend on keeping it until the whole so-called "smart" so-called "telephone" craze passes.

    1. Re:Tailfins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here...except the phone is a slide (and my father owned a 57 chevy station wagon).

      May smartphones continue to kill off dumb people.

    2. Re:Tailfins by tsa · · Score: 1

      Smart phones will probably go the way of the car: they stay forever.

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  25. until it dies by odinjurkowski · · Score: 0

    I'm keeping my current smartphone until it dies. I'm sure one day I'll drop it, someone might bump me and it will go crashing onto the pavement. But as long as it's working I have no need to replace it. Laptops, smartphones,...I'll just keep them until they physically break.

    This is a bit different from cars however. My car I can keep fixing. Ten, fifteen, twenty years,...I don't know how long I'll keep it. But as long as the annual repair bills are less than what a years worth of car payments will be, then why bother to replace it.

    The problem with laptops and smartphones is that they are cheap and basically disposable and either not worth it to repair or can't be repaired. Sure, you can always fix little things depending upon what it is. If I can do it myself I will. I'll replace a non-replaceable battery because I can. But for the price of the device it may not be worth it. Good enough devices today are a few hundred dollars. I've never been one to buy the top of the line most expensive ones anyway. So if I drop my phone then it's $300 to replace, not $1,000. And I'll probably get 5 years out it before I break it again.

  26. Re:Apple asleep not to realize smartphone saturati by mikael · · Score: 1

    The next thing will be satellite phone connectivity for a smartphone courtesy of Elon Musk. Iridium and the other systems were like the first prototypes. They either offered high bandwidth and limited coverage or full coverage of the planet but limited bandwidth. With a true high-bandwidth satellite network, this would solve many problems.

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  27. Re:Wall St by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you look at the profits that Apple, Facebook and Google make and then their P/E ratio's you will see just how much Wall St loves Facebook and Google and hates Apple.
    APPL is marked down heavily at the slighest rumour. The others aren't.

  28. No quite IMHO. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    We've reached peak smartphone when you can get the equivalent of a Nokia 8 with 6GB RAM/128GB SSD in a solid sturdy case and replaceable battery for 120$.

    But yeah, as far as super-thin flimsy built-in-battery Smartphones go, the market is pretty much saturated, that I'd admit.

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  29. Unfortunately I do need a new smartphone by Walter+White · · Score: 1

    I have a Nexus 5X. Google hobbled it with 2GB RAM and now a bit over two years since introduction, that is simply not enough. At best that causes it to be slow switching between apps. At worst, it causes apps to be bumped out of memory when another app is opened. For example if I'm listening to podcasts and running navigation using Google Maps (both in the background) and open a web page one of the other apps shuts down. 2GB is simply not enough. Other than that I could continue to be happy with it.

    As time passes and S/W features continue to increase, this could happen to any phone.

    OTOH who wouldn't be happier with a faster processor, better camera, better battery life etc. that a new phone provides.

    1. Re:Unfortunately I do need a new smartphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on whether you use those new features.
      Indeed some software gets heavier over time, but another factor is people actually accepting that, or getting dependent on all the new shiny. In which case they'll pay for it.

      But the device hardware remains just as capable as new (apart from wear/defect of course).
      So instead of the latest and greatest bloat du jour, you can choose lighter apps that match the hardware, and use your phone for much longer.

      For 7 years I had a 0,5GB phone (Galaxy S1), which ran all my needed apps.
      Recently it broke, so I bought a "new" 1,5GB phone (Galaxy S4 mini) for only €50.
      Since my needs don't change much, now I have plenty of ram for the next decade (currently 1050MB free).

      At least, this works for me, I understand most people want more.

  30. why should i buy a new smartphone by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    i have a galaxy s6 now, but it dont have FM radio, cant replace the battery myself, i am not buying a new phone until i can buy a phone that has those features. plus i dont want to disable apps i dont like or use, i want a phone that does not have third party apps bundled in like facebook, or microsoft office, i know those apps are not crucial for the system, they are third party crapware,

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  31. Batteries & Storage by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

    It seems that that challenge always comes down to batteries. I have a nearly-four-year-old Samsung Galaxy S5 that still works fine. The camera is great and I see no reason to upgrade for now. Part of the reason that's the case is the battery is user replaceable. I just pop off the back and pop in a new battery. I'm probably on battery #3 now. It's also got a microSD slot, so I know I'm never going to run out of storage.

    I think dying batteries is likely what drives a lot of upgrades.

  32. Liez! That would expose the farse on DRAM prices. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But but they told us demand for DRAM was increasing by unexpected numbers and why prices nearly tripled for the same ram already manufactured even two years before said demand appeared had to increase in price for the PC market. Because, like, time travel and reverse the sticks back into raw materials and re-make them for lpdram mobile phones and other devices and such, that explains it all, it can't be price manipulation pfff.

      Just look at the huge demand on the eyePhone xXx!

  33. The Washington Post are diversifying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're selling toilet paper. And it's going to be called 'WaPoo'!

  34. Peak Smartphone or not by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    The inability to easily change out the battery coupled with the knowledge that at least Apple is / was slowing down their older phones means it doesn't matter if we have reached peak Smartphone or not.

    They are DESIGNED to be replaced every few years to ensure a steady revenue stream for the manufacturors.

    1. Re:Peak Smartphone or not by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Apple phones are. Believe it or not, there are other makers of smartphones that don't treat their customers like milking cows.

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  35. My requirements: by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    I have an iPhone 7. Here's what I want in my next phone:

    1. Longer battery life
    2. Better signal reception, both cellular and WiFi.
    3. Even better camera; it's already pretty good.
    4. Even more durable; screen less likely to crack, more resistant to exposure to liquids, etc.
    5. Even brighter screen to help w/ viewing in sunny conditions.

    That's about it, really. Don't need a bigger screen, don't need the phone to be thinner or lighter, don't need more pixels, don't need gimmicky new features like facial recognition, don't even really need a faster CPU, more memory or more storage.

  36. Bad example. New Coke is still actually more popul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I blind taste tests, new coke always came and still comes out on top of all colas.
    Only if people see the label, do they not like it.

    It's a nice example of how subjective reality really is.

    Same as with top wine "experts", who ascribe vastly different properties to a bottle of white wine, versus the same wine, with red food coloring, and a different label. Or the same champagne with a higher price tag.

    I prefer Red Bull Cola at room temperature, btw, on case you assumed I'm a partisan fanboy.
    (Chilled, it is too bland. But unchilled, the i individual ingredients can really be tasted in it, which I love. ... Unless my mind is making that up too ... ^^)

  37. The normal cycle of new technologies. by az-saguaro · · Score: 1

    This is the normal cycle of new gadgets. Appliances. Think of any of these technological tools as appliances. New technologies or inventions arrive to make some aspect of daily life better or easier. The device penetrates the market at some rate, greater or slower, depending on many things: sense of relevance to your daily life (perhaps heightened by ambitious advertising), the cost of the new technology which invariably subsides with greater market penetration and competition, and giving up on old paradigms of doing things as the new technology proves itself or younger generations favor it or as older generations wait until breakage or obsolescence of the old devices requires them to update.

    This happened when electric lights replaced gas lighting and candles, when motorized automobiles replaced horse and carriage, when washing machines replaced slapping your clothes on a stone by the river, and for any other mechanized or electrified appliance. For all of them, market penetration increases as the populace adopts it. After that, sales are flat, varying only in relationship to population expansion, steady state turnover of devices as old ones break and must be replaced, and episodic upswells in sales as some new feature or fad or incremental improvement beguiles the populace.

    By analogy, I went to find info on this by looking for information on washer-dryer penetration over the past century, an arbitrary pick, it could have been microwave ovens or stereo music systems or whatever. I came across the following article of interest that covers all technologies, "The Spread of Technology since 1900". It is a great little article that looks at penetration and saturation of a whole host of common household devices:

    https://pietistschoolman.com/2...

    For the past few years, especially with respect to the appearance of tablet computers and Win 8, then Win 10, the industry got nervous, claiming "the end of the PC, the end of the desktop", and that Win PO8 had killed the PC. No, it is just that the market has matured, newer devices seem to be more hardened against changing technologies thus having a longer useful life, and various form factors that supplant the big box machines have all found their niches. Thus sales must reduce to the rate of steady state turnover. Now, in just the past few months, reports have revealed nervousness over tablet sales declining. The market is saturated, everybody who wants one has one, and turnover will be steady state replacement, unless some compelling new technology or feature drives everyone to upgrade.

    The computerized handheld telephone has now hit that steady state plateau. Without compelling new features or paradigms of use to spur a global upgrade, and with an already robust set of features, more than any one person needs or uses, reasonably durable and well made, the market is now in its steady state dynamic.

    Companies or investors looking for the huge profits of a new and advancing market will be disappointed. Investors looking at such technologies as commodities or utilities à la gas, sewer, and electricity, can always garner some low level income over the long haul. The fascinating question is, what will be the next lifestyle and society changing gadget which will then go through the same 10 or 100 year lifecycle?

  38. Peak phone by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    We hit "peak phone" quite a while ago, everything since then has been minor tweaks or adding bullshit "features" that practically no one uses.

    For example, Samsung's "eye mode" where it keeps the screen on as long as you're looking at it. Whoopdedoo, how could I live without that?? Or their multiple on-screen swipable toolboxes and favorites and recently-used apps and blah blah blah blah blah. Or a configurable button that isn't allowed to do anything that I'd actually want it to do- it can't be assigned to anything worthwhile, so what's the point?

    These gadgets/features are a sign of developers who are desperate to come up with something new but not necessarily useful.

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    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  39. Re: Apple asleep not to realize smartphone saturat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While there is a time and place for sat phones, they will not with anything close to current technology even come close to completing with the network performance of an edge device, it's also likely this won't change anything in the future. This gap will grow significantly as phones move to 5g.

    The distance issue is likely an issue that won't be overcome soon, and for practical purposes it likely won't be cost effective compared to more terrestrial based solutions.

  40. Materials science used for obsolescence engineerin by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am extremely saddened by the fact that my scientific discipline - materials science - is nowadays abused to design extremely precise engineering techniques for planned obsolescence. Limiting battery recharge cycles was a great method, but some far more sophisticated ones have emerged. These are based on:

    - fatigue limit of components subjected to repetitive strain (including designing built-in vibrational modes - that's right, the vibrational modes are added on purpose, and affect parts with a defined fatigue limit (like copper, for instance).
    - oxidation of polymers, especially elastomers
    - polymer deterioration induced by "useful" additives, like some fire retardants and plasticizers (though fire retardants are much more effective).

    These techniques are nowadays quite deeply developed, and their ONLY purpose is to bring the product to a very limited lifetime AFTER the warranty period. Therefore, for profit of the corporations and at direct odds with all consumers. As a scientist, this makes me actually quite sad. My only consolation is that I don't work in the industry, so at least I am not on the dark side.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  41. So what you are saying is, you're not a power user by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    For the average person I would agree with you.

    But something you are overlooking is that smartphone processing capability is advancing much faster, percentage-wise, than laptops (which have stalled for many years now and at this point even regressed thanks to meltdown).

    At first as smartphones came along, I would happily skip upgrading every other year, and would have been tempted to skip longer periods if I did not need the devices for testing.

    But over the past few years, I have in fact gotten a new phone every year because the upgrades have become more compelling. The processing speed is notably faster every generation. The authentication features like TouchID and now FaceID keep advancing. The cameras advance notably in quality, and because the processor speed has improved so do camera features that require processing (like the quality of panos or HDR images). The battery management keeps improving.

    At this point I've shifted to doing a lot of photo editing on an iPad Pro, and I am actually looking forward to the next generation of that platform to give be a decent processing boost for working with images. They are arguably superior for such work because they adjust color temperature of the display automatically based on ambient light, not to mention being able to work directly on the photo with an Apple Pencil (which work way better than the Wacom Cintiq I tried using a few years ago)..

    One a side note, I do not honestly see how someone could use an iPhoneX for more than a day and then claim the smartphone platform has "peaked", as we have a long way to go and major changes are still underway.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  42. The VHS market is saturated, too by mschuyler · · Score: 1

    I just threw out about 50 from the back of a closet. Not even Goodwill will take them. The Friends of the Library stuck some in their "free" box and no one would take them either. Surely the Smartphone is not the epitome of design for what it does. Could its job not be done by a different sort of device altogether? How about sticking the display on an intraocular lens and the CPU on an embedded chip? No more texting--just talk, or maybe even just think. At least you couldn't forget your phone that way.

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    How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
  43. smart's by ohgary · · Score: 1

    You have reached the saturation point with phones, Everyone who wants them has them. Aside from marketing hype there is little functional difference between phones. Maybe a little bigger screen, a little more memory,a little better camera, but basically the same from model to model. There has been no real new killer app in years that requires a "better" phone. The carrier move from subsidized phone cost to buy it outright hasn't helped any either. The once apple heard of buying anything new apple put out is gone, Apple itself has gone from Disciples of Jobs blindly following to grandma just wanting a phone to take pictures of the grand kids. Want to sell a phone give us good battery life, good screen size, good memory and most importantly a good price.

  44. It's good enough. by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    I've got an iPhone 6 with 16GB of storage. I was quickly out of space until I decided to put all my photos on google photo and I switched companies from an Exchange based company to a gmail based company. Now the only thing I have on the phone is the few apps and some music.

  45. Innovation fail by tomhath · · Score: 1

    True innovation is what's lacking, and perhaps phone manufacturers have been resting on their laurels

    Not so much resting on laurels as the combination of lack of vision and fear of failure. Steve Jobs knew how to incorporate ideas into innovative new products and wasn't afraid to take risk.

  46. Just keep them forever by mspohr · · Score: 1

    20 year old Land Rover... still runs great.
    5 year old Nexus 5... still runs great.
    60 year old house... still runs great.
    (I won't go into my clothes... what's a few holes?)

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    I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
    1. Re:Just keep them forever by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      12 year old Chevy... runs like shit, but that's to be expected.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  47. Misleading statistics? by Lando17 · · Score: 1

    Scaling for the 13 vs 14 month quarter: (77.3/(78.3/14*13)-1)*100=6.3% growth. That's better than the market average for every year since 2014 based on the chart in TFA. In addition, the X went on sale ~4weeks later than historic Q4 iPhone launches. The 25 month upgrade period (vs 23 months) could be partially attributed to apple customers waiting for the X as well I suppose. On the flip-side, I'm a content owner of an iPhone SE...

  48. you look *closely* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ly modifies the verb look.

    Which means that both the author and the editor failed basic English.

    Before I even read the article, I immediately judge the age, and knowledge of the author, and gauge the article with immediate skepticism.

  49. Hoopla over the Galaxy S8?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pffft! You're just trying to be PC.

  50. The next great innovation, I believe, will be... by fzammett · · Score: 1

    ...a smartphone that fully services ALL our compute needs. I'm talking about a smartphone I can drop in a docking station, connected to a big-ass monitor, mouse, keyboard and other peripherals, and it runs a full desktop OS and all my desktop software.

    We've been slowing but surely moving towards that and there's of course been a few attempts to make it literally true already, with varying degrees of success. None have completely managed it though, and there are of course pretty good technical reasons why not.

    But I really believe it's the next step, the next big innovation, the next thing that will get people to buy a new smartphone (and, incidentally, something that the manufacturers will be happy about because they'll likely be able to charge quite a bit more for it). That's not to say everyone needs this, wants this or will buy this, just that I think it's the next logical step and the next thing that will spur on sales.

    I know for sure it's the thing I've been waiting on. I had a Surface Pro 3 for a long time as my primary desktop machine and I think we're not too far off the point where they can cram that into a (large) smartphone form factor and have it work well enough to be viable. Maybe another 2-3 years would be my guess. That power is likely sufficient for most users' needs and I know I'd be very happy to have only a single device for everything.

    So yeah, that's my bet.

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    If a pion (n-) collides with a proton in the woods & noone is there to hear it, does lamdba decay into the source pa
  51. START MAKING PHONES THAT ARENT PHABLETS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't care how thin my phone is.
    I want a small, thin, rugged phone.
    With a big battery.
    Millions of non-sheep do.
    MAKE US ONE !

  52. Or maybe people just don't like the new phones? by green1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With each generation of phone, more and more features are removed. Why would someone willingly downgrade to a new phone?

    My Note 4 has:
    - a wider screen than any available today
    - a user replaceable battery (I'm on #3)
    - an IR transmitter
    - an easy to hold faux-leather back that isn't slippery
    - a headphone jack
    - HDMI output (via MHL)
    - an SD card slot

    Almost all new phones get rid of the majority of that list (if not all of it).

    It's not that people don't want to UPGRADE, it's that people are sick of seeing the newer phones as a DOWNGRADE from where they already are!

    1. Re:Or maybe people just don't like the new phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incidentally, this list of reasons is why I think that the best Samsung phone was the Galaxy S5, back in 2014. I personally don't like huge phones, so the Note series doesn't click with me, but my and your favourites are from the same generation.

      I too do not see any reason to get a newer phone - the performance is quite adequate (especially if you use LineageOS or similar and don't bloat your device with all that nasty Google crap) and aside from the RF interfaces, the hardware features have been actively declining in more recent devices.

    2. Re:Or maybe people just don't like the new phones? by green1 · · Score: 1

      The s5 was so popular that the outcry when they discontinued it forced them to somewhat resurrect it. I say somewhat because the s5 neo isn't as good as the original s5, they dropped the ir transmitter, and usb 3, and put a weaker processor in it, but it still flew off the shelves. My wife is using a neo because she couldn't get the original.

    3. Re:Or maybe people just don't like the new phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sad mine died. My LG v20 is pretty good, but I'm not looking forward to my next phone.

  53. Sorry, I forgot to mention that ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dream solution is, to have the screen separate from the device.
    Because in the long run, I'd move to a heads-up display solution. (I'm an augmented reality programmer.)

    Modularity is a key concern for me in general though. It allows flexibility, and I don't have to throw one away when the other breaks. Also, I can mix and match.
    Or even use one of the one with multiple of the other.

  54. Computers, tablets, smartphones, and critical mass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if people will start to realize pc, laptops and tablets aren't dead then if they realize the same thing is happening with smartphones.

    I think alot of people thought when purchases of computers and laptops had begun to tail off that it was because people didn't use computers anymore. I personally think its because improvements in computers aren't what they used to be. You no longer have video games like Crysis that upend what we know and expect about the capabilities and limitations of computers where the average computer can't play such games. Companies aren't pushing boundaries anymore. They're playing things way too safe.

    In the age of Crysis (what I call the golden age of computer gaming), games were coming out every 3 months that pushed a computer to its knees, despite previously being powerful enough to play almost anything previously. Four years later, I'm still using the same graphics card. Almost 7 years later I'm still using the same processor, memory and motherboard. There literally hasn't been a video game that has pushed my computer to the point of needing to be upgraded and I didn't buy top of the line gear when I got it either. Z68 fatality mobo, 3770k cpu and 970 gtx with 32gb of ram. While I've neglected to move to anything beyond 1080p for my main monitors, the gains achieved by upgrading are at an all time low. Increasing resolution on already good looking games rather than pushing the boundaries of the graphics themselves is no longer a goal. I believe people still use computers and laptops, but there is not currently any tech beyond mining crypto that is pushing hardware.

    Smartphones are beginning to see the same market saturation, though because every smart phone has a public IP address, we have a much clearer idea how many smart phones are in the wild and how many are actually being used. People who want one have one, people who don't, wont ever get one. The things that people want to do on smartphones can easily be handled with software upgrades and hardware upgrades now are incremental because everyone is playing it safe rather than introducing new tech.

  55. Re:So what you are saying is, you like being pwn3d by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget the most compelling reason to upgrade: unpatched critical software vulnerabilities.

    Using a 2 year old phone is like insisting that you don't need a condom to have sex with a prostitute.

  56. duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When they start removing features (ie headphone jack) you know they're just pulling at straws for "innovation"

  57. Ditto. by antdude · · Score: 1

    I got sick of upgrading. I will replace/upgrade when my old working stuff break down like my KVM from Y2K, PS/2 mice and keyboards, Casio Data Bank 150 calculator watch, HP PhotoSmart printer from 2006, etc. Also, I never buy the newest models unless they are free or very cheap.

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    Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  58. dumb phone with benefits by epine · · Score: 1

    I've never subscribed to the cult of revenue.

    The Puna plateau's elevation averages 4,500 m above sea level, and it spans an area of 180,000 km2.

    Tall, but not growing. Worthless.

    ———

    Apparently, one man's peak is another man's poison.

    I bought my first and last cell phone in September 2012. Then, when I figured out the Android security model, I turned off the data modem, and the Wi-Fi (except when in use while I'm at home). I haven't installed a new app since my Pebble watch.

    Fitness App Runkeeper Secretly Tracks Users At All Times, Sends Data to Advertisers — 13 May 2016

    That was the last straw. Now it's basically just a phone with benefits (the sketchy kind with gifts that keep giving).

    I'm technically in the market for a new phone with a larger form factor, but there's presently no phone out there with a security/privacy model than entices me in the least.

    Also, I'm still using my old Pebble watch as a vibrating pill timer (the hardest alarm to ignore in a busy place), but I'm now effectively out of the smart watch game, as well.

  59. Still Using My S5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Samsung Galaxy S5 lives in a newish 5500mAh battery case and sports a relatively fresh install of LegacyOS. I got it shortly after it launched and have no reason to replace it. Spent a few bucks on a new battery, upgraded the MicroSD card to a larger cap and flashed a new (cleaner) ROM. I thought about buying a new smartphone, as the phablet idea has always appealed to me and the new Note looks really nice but then i decided i would rather put that money towards a new guitar.

  60. We will need a new phone... when 3G voice dies by toejam13 · · Score: 1

    I see a huge wave of older smartphones making their way to the trash heap as wireless networks start to reallocate spectrum currently used by 2G and 3G protocols for newer 4G and 5G protocols. I also suspect that many people are in for a surprise when they discover that their supposed 4G phones only support LTE data and not LTE voice.

    As example, I have a Galaxy S5 Neo released in late 2015 that supports LTE-A. But as an unbranded member of the GS5 series, Samsung never enabled voice-over-LTE, so it uses 3G UMTS to place voice calls. Unless Samsung has a change of heart or my carrier pushes a voice-over-IP solution that I can use with LTE data networks, my phone will stop working in a couple years.

    Even if wireless networks keep a few MHz of spectrum around for M2M devices (ie, home security cellular backups), don't expect it to be on better frequency bands.

  61. Peak Peak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have we reached Peak Peak yet?

  62. Not peak - but approaching commodity by userw014 · · Score: 1

    We're not at Peak Cellphone but the only new customers are young people buying their first phone (or having it bought for them by their parents.) There are people who have chosen to NOT have a cell phone - and those people aren't going to change their minds much. And there are people who can't afford a cell phone - and that's not likely to change much. The time of easy growth is long gone.

    And the time of easy feature based growth is closing too - because most new features offer only small marginal benefits over a relatively new phone. Vendors are caught between improving their phones interfaces to support some of those marginal benefits and alienating their customers. Smartphone interfaces aren't as terrible as they once were and real improvements are harder to achieve.

    It all gets down to what do people use these devices for. And for all the apps and features available - most people don't drift outside of the intrinsic functions of texting, photos, calendaring, web browsing, navigating, and a few other apps like social networking, a few games, and maybe a job related app (if you're a sales-drone.)
    Really, do you use your phone any differently (qualitatively or quantitatively) more this season than last season? Are any of your apps lagging behind? The app vendors know better than to drive away their customers.

  63. Thats why the battery is non-replaceable by jools33 · · Score: 1

    That's why there's a trend to rapid charging and non replaceable batteries, its inbuilt obsolescence. The faster you pump charge into a battery the shorter its lifespan is likely to be, then just make sure its near to goddamn impossible to exchange batteries, and you have people needing a new phone every 2 years.
    How many Oreo Android phones have replaceable batteries? - I think there might be one from LG - and thats it.

  64. Re:So what you are saying is, you're not a power u by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly, it's an Iphone and deserves to fry.

  65. I get it, but fix your headlines. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Took me 6 years, but I finally replaced mine. I should have gotten a new one 2 years ago when it started acting up, but I just put up with it until I got this new one for free and on a cheaper plan a couple of months ago.

    That being said, the title AND first sentence are miss leading.

  66. Blackberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As always, RIM was ahead of the curve.

  67. I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would I want to carry around all the horsepower to drive a big-ass workstation when I'm not docked at one?

    Why would I want my big-ass workstations to not work without a phone docked at them?

    Keep the two independent I say.

  68. They'd get us back if... by WindowsStar · · Score: 1

    The phone manufactures can entice us buy a new phone every 1 or 2 years if they will offer them to Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T at a huge discount. Then the phone company gives us the $199 upgrade again. I did that in the past and if I had to sign a 1 or 2 year contact so be it, it was worth it to get a new phone every 24 months, and not pay $600 to $1000 for a phone. Now-a-days they charge you the full retail price, no contract and divide up the cost over 24 months. There is absolutely no discount you pay full retail, so there is no incentive to get a new phone and why I still have my Samsung S5 that works perfectly.

  69. Sounds like an Enthusiast User by n329619 · · Score: 1

    You've said about faster processing speed every generation, authentication features kept advancing, cameras advance notably in quality, and you look forward to the next generation (hardware). Wouldn't that be an Enthusiast user? PC users who focus on extremely high-end computing and care for the likes of graphic, CPU and other hardware performance.

    just saying

  70. And yet... by Stubbyfingers · · Score: 1

    We haven't seen the peak of Dumb End User.

  71. Time to demand better service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Low-end phone hardware is more than good enough. It's my carrier network that's utter crap. 15 miles outside a major US city and I still struggle for a usable connection. Now they want to charge me extra for "high speed" above 2 GB, when "high speed" is comparable to a 28 kbaud dialup connection, which throttles to about 9600 baud when the cap is surpassed. Why the hell would I spend more for a faster phone when my bottleneck is elsewhere?