Congratulations on working somewhere with windows. Where I live I check buidenradar or my phone to anticipate if it is raining *before* I put on a shitload of cloths to leave the bunker. Though I admit sometimes I don't ask my phone. If I see a person who's just arrived I ask them instead. Never mind that siri attempts to give you an hour by hour forecast.
Try planning 3 hours ahead by looking out the window. That works in southern parts of Australia, not in the Netherlands.
You're assuming the only broken things are things related to the internet connection unlike say HDMI ports which don't respond to CDC correctly. Just an off the top of my head example of something my brand new out of the box TV didn't do until after I downloaded the firmware update which seems to be dated before the official release date for the device.
How many electrical engineers does it take to change a lightbulb? None. Ship it as it is and we'll fix it in software later.
I take the attitude that if it's working fine then I don't need an update.
Of course. But what single device have you bought in the past 5 years that wasn't a rushed out beta we'll fix it in software after shipping crap show?
If we had been having this discussion 10 years ago... well we wouldn't be because why the hell would you firmware update something. Nowadays? I pretty much expect most things to not work out of the box until after a >100MB download from the internet.
The latter. CEOs are feel good marketing machines. Don't mistake what they say as some moral guidance. That is assuming they make you feel good that is. Where I worked our CEO announced on the same day our best and most profitable quarter in 5 years, a share price that shot up like a rocket, and a corporate travel ban to save costs all in the same email.
Those who say "please speak out against me" want you to not because they support free speech, but so they can manage discontent. Bitch about them in the safe space and you're good. Start publically going against the company line and what do you think will happen?
I'm fine with whatever. I'm pretty sure I made that clear. The only thing I don't understand with is how we put a man on the moon yet every six month the people of America* lose their shit over a clock change.
*And only** people of America. Most of the rest of the world has clock changes too and it barely rates a mention, much less a government debate and multiple news stories. **Oh and the 51st state of America known as Australia, because we all love a good "me too" situation.
Most consumers try something, and if they like it, they'll give it 5 stars.
Before you continue your thoughts, maybe you should come to terms in your own mind about how you think the ratings system works. Or is someone else posting on your behalf? Or maybe split personality disorder?
They're in the business of selling your data to their customers
Please next time open with: "I'm a parrot who parrots the you're the product meme but I have no clue". It would have saved you some time. Google has never parted with your data. They don't sell your information any more than Coca Cola sells their recipe to McDonalds so they can make it themselves.
Please, learn how Google services work, especially the adsense service.
Google needs to know your race, age, sex, religion, address, shopping habits, sexual preference, where you work, how much you make, how many kids you have and where they go to school, and so on. And unless you've been very careful, they know all of these things exactly, because they read all your documents and track all your online activities.
And then maybe don't post on Slashdot under the influence of drugs. Really if you want to write pointless prose then create a new thread because your post has fuck all to do with mine.
No, complex things require training to get used to. It doesn't matter if they were from a cruiser, an oil refinery or a spaceship, a control action should make immediately obvious if it is active or inactive. As someone else has posted: Which of these are ganged? Did you need to be a trained electrician to figure that out?
There were multiple failures here, but lack of situational awareness stood out and a shithouse UI that defaults to non-ganged controls / doesn't make it immediately obvious, and two people who are sitting right next to each other don't immediately realise who has steering control just by glancing at their screens, that is not something that needs to be fixed by training..... errr unless we're talking about training for the idiot designer of the HMI.
When looking at reviews, I discard all 5 star reviews as unreliable, and then subtract 1 and finally multiply by 2.5, and I get a more believable 0-10 score.
You're turning the rating into something it isn't and extracting data that isn't there. Your algorithm also doesn't result in a 0-10 score, just results in rescaling the 0-4 score to 0-7.5 and then by looking only at a portion of the low results you're achieving absolutely nothing.
Go back, understand how people post, understand that that doesn't make 5 star as unreliable but rather as a key part of the equation, (somehow you managed the former and then concluded the latter which is absurd) and then analyse the data that is given to you.
Then you fail to understand the fundamental point of my post. I do have something to hide, but at the same time I trust that it is hidden in some insanely huge database within Google and that the things I have to hide won't be sold off to third parties. I don't have the same trust in e.g. Microsoft as keeping my personal data to themselves is not their core business and there's no major profit motive preventing them from selling this to third parties.
An important part of our culture is lively debate.
In society, yes. In a country, yes. When influencing others, yes. In a company.... no.
In a company the only important part of culture is what the directors of the company wish that culture to look like. If you suit that culture you get to stay. If you don't suit that culture then the way to change it is working your way up to the director position and then changing it from the top down. Disagreeing with it provides you with no future. It breeds discontent within a company which itself can lead to a toxic culture of mistrust.
The person was an employee. He needs to agree and pull in the same direction as his employer.
Then you should not complain that everyone disagrees with you and you get modded as a troll. But you are, so it actually is a problem for you. On that you conspicuously seem to now be trying to ignore and sweep under the rug.
And what makes you think there's nothing to compare it against? Are you telling me the many millions of apps on the Play Store are all 100% unique in terms of functionality? Have you never abandoned one music player in favour of another?
Actually what the rating really is is a thumbs up or thumbs down rating with the average number between them a representation of the relative thumbs. Lots of 5 star ratings, no problem lots of 1 star ratings, lots of problems. Just because this doesn't form a detailed review doesn't mean it isn't an incredibly useful system, especially when you can sort ratings by time (a 5 star app suddenly getting lots of 1 star ratings is a bad sign).
Why would you assume industrial scale subversion in order to get high rankings? If an app is fake and yet works as intended there's no reason to believe that a user won't give it a 5 star rating if they don't notice a problem.
Why would you assume that the court would come to a logical conclusion?
Because despite your news bite view of the courts they handle thousands of cases across the country daily and the vast majority of them follow a perfectly logical conclusion and thus you never hear about them.
No you're misunderstanding what I mean by training, and training on what specifically. Moving a ship is incredibly complex, as is operating a chemical plant. People most definitely need to be well trained in both.
What people should need almost zero training in is the actual operation of the equipment they interact with. If I get an operator from a Exxon oil refinery in America, and sit that person down at an ethylene cracker in China, if that person can't instantly tell me if a control loop is in manual, auto or cascade, and if he can't instantly tell me the value the alarm points, and how to adjust the setpoint, then the HMI person seriously fucked up.
I don't mean to say that he can run the other plant, but doing things like not knowing where your steering control went, combined with not immediately seeing that the controls are ganged should not be possible. Likewise the idea that the rudder position reset is something that was solved in industry with "bumpless transfer" back in the days before electronic control where plants were still huffing and puffing 3-15psi air tubes around rather firing off electrons in the direction of a computer.
In that entire report where it talks of lack of training, not following maritime rules, and not communicating properly, the phrase that still sticks out to me the most is "lack of situational awareness".
I did. That's how I got to the conclusion that they are interested in keeping my data safe rather than most other companies (see ISPs) who will happily sell it.
At the end of the year, there is less money in your bank account. That is the service they provide you.
Please, do enlighten me. How is there less money in my bank account as a result of this? I struggle to see how I am better off financially paying money to get a private email service, paying money for a company that has to spend a fortune on R&D to get datasets to improve their systems, and paying more taxes so my local government can augment their roads with high tech tracking equipment so that they can provide dynamic traffic remapping services. (Side note: I trust Google with my location data more than the government).
I have noticed over the last several years, my efforts to block ads and consume ad free sources has had the unexpected side benefit of reducing our material wants... and reduce our spending in general.
You are incredibly weak minded. But I do agree, switching from getting relevant ads to having your kids instead be greeted with offers of Viagra, penis enlargements, illegal gamblings services and sexy Russian singles like the pre-targetted advertising internet I'm sure would reduce their spending.
What you see as 'relevant ads' in your search results, I see as something I was perfectly happy not knowing about, that i don't need, and won't miss.
What I see as 'relevant ads' I see as 'ads' regardless. The presence of the ads doesn't naturally make me consume, it entices me to pick one product over the other. If it were otherwise I'd probably consider going to the doctor for a renewed Adderall subscription, Because that is... oh wait, BRB, just saw an advert I need to go buy a Ford Focus because the new one has a sunroof.
By the way you got a spare dollar? Why not enjoy a nice refreshing Coca Cola.
Because despite everyone's assertions it is actually incredibly simple and unremarkable. I sometimes get the feeling that predominantly Americans spend more time stressing over what time it is and when the time actually changes than to actually go about and live their lives.
It's an unhealthy obsession. God forbid these people ever actually get on a plane or do something else so drastic that can make their clock change by not only 1 hour, but *horror* two hours or more.
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Congratulations on working somewhere with windows. Where I live I check buidenradar or my phone to anticipate if it is raining *before* I put on a shitload of cloths to leave the bunker. Though I admit sometimes I don't ask my phone. If I see a person who's just arrived I ask them instead. Never mind that siri attempts to give you an hour by hour forecast.
Try planning 3 hours ahead by looking out the window. That works in southern parts of Australia, not in the Netherlands.
Most articles we see on Slashdot concern us equally little. What results is usually an interesting discussion on why and how.
You're assuming the only broken things are things related to the internet connection unlike say HDMI ports which don't respond to CDC correctly. Just an off the top of my head example of something my brand new out of the box TV didn't do until after I downloaded the firmware update which seems to be dated before the official release date for the device.
How many electrical engineers does it take to change a lightbulb? None. Ship it as it is and we'll fix it in software later.
If it works the day you turn it on
You haven't bought consumer electronics in the past 5 years have you?
I take the attitude that if it's working fine then I don't need an update.
Of course. But what single device have you bought in the past 5 years that wasn't a rushed out beta we'll fix it in software after shipping crap show?
If we had been having this discussion 10 years ago ... well we wouldn't be because why the hell would you firmware update something. Nowadays? I pretty much expect most things to not work out of the box until after a >100MB download from the internet.
Fuck me man I even put a smiley at the end of the sentence. Lighten up.
The latter. CEOs are feel good marketing machines. Don't mistake what they say as some moral guidance. That is assuming they make you feel good that is. Where I worked our CEO announced on the same day our best and most profitable quarter in 5 years, a share price that shot up like a rocket, and a corporate travel ban to save costs all in the same email.
Those who say "please speak out against me" want you to not because they support free speech, but so they can manage discontent. Bitch about them in the safe space and you're good. Start publically going against the company line and what do you think will happen?
I'm fine with whatever. I'm pretty sure I made that clear. The only thing I don't understand with is how we put a man on the moon yet every six month the people of America* lose their shit over a clock change.
*And only** people of America. Most of the rest of the world has clock changes too and it barely rates a mention, much less a government debate and multiple news stories.
**Oh and the 51st state of America known as Australia, because we all love a good "me too" situation.
3 star and 4 star are not low results.
To quote someone:
Most consumers try something, and if they like it, they'll give it 5 stars.
Before you continue your thoughts, maybe you should come to terms in your own mind about how you think the ratings system works. Or is someone else posting on your behalf? Or maybe split personality disorder?
They're in the business of selling your data to their customers
Please next time open with: "I'm a parrot who parrots the you're the product meme but I have no clue". It would have saved you some time. Google has never parted with your data. They don't sell your information any more than Coca Cola sells their recipe to McDonalds so they can make it themselves.
Please, learn how Google services work, especially the adsense service.
Google needs to know your race, age, sex, religion, address, shopping habits, sexual preference, where you work, how much you make, how many kids you have and where they go to school, and so on. And unless you've been very careful, they know all of these things exactly, because they read all your documents and track all your online activities.
And then maybe don't post on Slashdot under the influence of drugs. Really if you want to write pointless prose then create a new thread because your post has fuck all to do with mine.
No, complex things require training to get used to. It doesn't matter if they were from a cruiser, an oil refinery or a spaceship, a control action should make immediately obvious if it is active or inactive. As someone else has posted: Which of these are ganged? Did you need to be a trained electrician to figure that out?
There were multiple failures here, but lack of situational awareness stood out and a shithouse UI that defaults to non-ganged controls / doesn't make it immediately obvious, and two people who are sitting right next to each other don't immediately realise who has steering control just by glancing at their screens, that is not something that needs to be fixed by training. .... errr unless we're talking about training for the idiot designer of the HMI.
The Navy could learn a lot from the Airforce.
What makes you assume that firmware updates are a good thing? very often they downgrade performance and insert official malware.
And far more often they fix broken things.
When looking at reviews, I discard all 5 star reviews as unreliable, and then subtract 1 and finally multiply by 2.5, and I get a more believable 0-10 score.
You're turning the rating into something it isn't and extracting data that isn't there. Your algorithm also doesn't result in a 0-10 score, just results in rescaling the 0-4 score to 0-7.5 and then by looking only at a portion of the low results you're achieving absolutely nothing.
Go back, understand how people post, understand that that doesn't make 5 star as unreliable but rather as a key part of the equation, (somehow you managed the former and then concluded the latter which is absurd) and then analyse the data that is given to you.
Then you fail to understand the fundamental point of my post. I do have something to hide, but at the same time I trust that it is hidden in some insanely huge database within Google and that the things I have to hide won't be sold off to third parties. I don't have the same trust in e.g. Microsoft as keeping my personal data to themselves is not their core business and there's no major profit motive preventing them from selling this to third parties.
Who cares. We don't use SysV anymore. It's about systemd now. :-)
Thanks that was an awesome read.
Sure you do. That's precisely the way to weed out the people who are likely to talk behind your back.
An important part of our culture is lively debate.
In society, yes. In a country, yes. When influencing others, yes. In a company.... no.
In a company the only important part of culture is what the directors of the company wish that culture to look like. If you suit that culture you get to stay. If you don't suit that culture then the way to change it is working your way up to the director position and then changing it from the top down. Disagreeing with it provides you with no future. It breeds discontent within a company which itself can lead to a toxic culture of mistrust.
The person was an employee. He needs to agree and pull in the same direction as his employer.
Not really my problem.
Then you should not complain that everyone disagrees with you and you get modded as a troll. But you are, so it actually is a problem for you. On that you conspicuously seem to now be trying to ignore and sweep under the rug.
I wonder why that is my learned friend.
and you have nothing to compare it against
And what makes you think there's nothing to compare it against? Are you telling me the many millions of apps on the Play Store are all 100% unique in terms of functionality? Have you never abandoned one music player in favour of another?
Actually what the rating really is is a thumbs up or thumbs down rating with the average number between them a representation of the relative thumbs. Lots of 5 star ratings, no problem lots of 1 star ratings, lots of problems. Just because this doesn't form a detailed review doesn't mean it isn't an incredibly useful system, especially when you can sort ratings by time (a 5 star app suddenly getting lots of 1 star ratings is a bad sign).
Why would you assume industrial scale subversion in order to get high rankings? If an app is fake and yet works as intended there's no reason to believe that a user won't give it a 5 star rating if they don't notice a problem.
Why would you assume that the court would come to a logical conclusion?
Because despite your news bite view of the courts they handle thousands of cases across the country daily and the vast majority of them follow a perfectly logical conclusion and thus you never hear about them.
No you're misunderstanding what I mean by training, and training on what specifically. Moving a ship is incredibly complex, as is operating a chemical plant. People most definitely need to be well trained in both.
What people should need almost zero training in is the actual operation of the equipment they interact with. If I get an operator from a Exxon oil refinery in America, and sit that person down at an ethylene cracker in China, if that person can't instantly tell me if a control loop is in manual, auto or cascade, and if he can't instantly tell me the value the alarm points, and how to adjust the setpoint, then the HMI person seriously fucked up.
I don't mean to say that he can run the other plant, but doing things like not knowing where your steering control went, combined with not immediately seeing that the controls are ganged should not be possible. Likewise the idea that the rudder position reset is something that was solved in industry with "bumpless transfer" back in the days before electronic control where plants were still huffing and puffing 3-15psi air tubes around rather firing off electrons in the direction of a computer.
In that entire report where it talks of lack of training, not following maritime rules, and not communicating properly, the phrase that still sticks out to me the most is "lack of situational awareness".
Think about what that actually means.
I did. That's how I got to the conclusion that they are interested in keeping my data safe rather than most other companies (see ISPs) who will happily sell it.
At the end of the year, there is less money in your bank account. That is the service they provide you.
Please, do enlighten me. How is there less money in my bank account as a result of this? I struggle to see how I am better off financially paying money to get a private email service, paying money for a company that has to spend a fortune on R&D to get datasets to improve their systems, and paying more taxes so my local government can augment their roads with high tech tracking equipment so that they can provide dynamic traffic remapping services. (Side note: I trust Google with my location data more than the government).
I have noticed over the last several years, my efforts to block ads and consume ad free sources has had the unexpected side benefit of reducing our material wants... and reduce our spending in general.
You are incredibly weak minded. But I do agree, switching from getting relevant ads to having your kids instead be greeted with offers of Viagra, penis enlargements, illegal gamblings services and sexy Russian singles like the pre-targetted advertising internet I'm sure would reduce their spending.
What you see as 'relevant ads' in your search results, I see as something I was perfectly happy not knowing about, that i don't need, and won't miss.
What I see as 'relevant ads' I see as 'ads' regardless. The presence of the ads doesn't naturally make me consume, it entices me to pick one product over the other. If it were otherwise I'd probably consider going to the doctor for a renewed Adderall subscription, Because that is ... oh wait, BRB, just saw an advert I need to go buy a Ford Focus because the new one has a sunroof.
By the way you got a spare dollar? Why not enjoy a nice refreshing Coca Cola.
"Why do we keep doing this to ourselves?"
Because despite everyone's assertions it is actually incredibly simple and unremarkable. I sometimes get the feeling that predominantly Americans spend more time stressing over what time it is and when the time actually changes than to actually go about and live their lives.
It's an unhealthy obsession. God forbid these people ever actually get on a plane or do something else so drastic that can make their clock change by not only 1 hour, but *horror* two hours or more.
I honestly have no clue what the fuss is about.