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Apple Watches Were Crashing When Asked About the Weather (macrumors.com)

Yesterday MacRumor reported that "Asking Siri something like 'What's the temperature?' or 'What's the weather?' or 'Is it raining?' causes the Apple Watch to crash." The issue has been documented in several threads on the MacRumors forums and on Reddit, and we've also been able to replicate it on our own devices. Complaints about the problem appear to have started this morning, and the bug is confirmed to be affecting both LTE and GPS Apple Watch Series 3 models as well as older Apple Watch models running watchOS 4.1. Not all Apple Watch owners in all countries are affected, but it appears to be impacting users in the United States, Canada, and Europe.
The problem may have been caused by Daylight Savings Time, they reported yesterday, since "asking Siri about the weather tomorrow or next week doesn't cause a problem -- it's only questions about the current weather conditions that are resulting in errors."

Engadget confirms that "The issue appears to be over. We've checked both before and afterward, and it's now safe to ask Siri if it's raining."

91 comments

  1. Moscow rain questions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Siri are golden showers in the forecast for Moscow?

    1. Re: Moscow rain questions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siri, where are Hillary's emails?

      Siri, what is Hillary covering up about Benghazi?

      Siri, why hasn't a special counsel been appointed to investigate Hillary?

      Siri, when will Hillary finally be indicted?

    2. Re: Moscow rain questions? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Siri: "Would you like to feel better by sending a moronic ranting tweet?"

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    3. Re:Moscow rain questions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siri, why are people so cripplingly obsessed with Trump that they can't even make it through an article about a DST bug in the Apple Watch without being overwhelmed by Trump-hate?

    4. Re:Moscow rain questions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siri, why are people so cripplingly obsessed with Trump that they can't even make it through an article about a DST bug in the Apple Watch without being overwhelmed by Trump-hate?

      I wouldn't call it Trump hate. An easy target yes and one hell of a pile of fun to poke. The ones still trying to deflect Trump jokes by aping the Trump campaign rhetoric "criminal Hillary" are also a very easy target to flush out. Who cares about the cost of hookers in Moscow anyway? I am sure that the rumors surrounding a dual shot of golden showers do nothing but enhance his reputation for most of his crowd anyway. Asking "Siri, how much does a pair of golden showers cost in rubles?' Might not crash an apple watch but it might put you ON A WATCH LIST somewhere in Washington.

  2. Devs should do QA by bobm · · Score: 1, Informative

    Subject stolen from another story. :-)

    Apple has had a lot issues with dates, clocks and alarms on the mobile devices. Including the interesting 1970 bug. https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/02/26/apple-will-unbrick-iphones-bricked-by-1970-bug/

    Better QA might help but this shouldn't be so hard.

    1. Re:Devs should do QA by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Informative

      To be fair, Apple hasn’t cornered the market on time-related bugs. Android’s had them too... and I still remember the ~ 30 patches Microsoft released trying to fix the Outlook/Exchange daylight saving calendar bug, back when the US redefined the start date (none of which actually solved the problem).

      Still, Apple deserves any grief it’s getting over this. Maybe if they’d spent less time on that 3-D talking poop emoji...

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    2. Re:Devs should do QA by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      To be fair, Apple hasn’t cornered the market on time-related bugs. Android’s had them too...

      There may not be a professional programmer alive who hasn't ever had a date/time bug. Still though, it always seems just a little bit silly that they surface in shipping code.

    3. Re:Devs should do QA by antdude · · Score: 1

      Companies really need to take QA seriously. Stop axing them, cutting corners, don't let developers do of all QA testings etc. And hire me!

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    4. Re:Devs should do QA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All of the "24h" stores were only open for 23h on March 12, and somehow no one writes an article about this bug in the name of the stores. People only complain about hardware and software.

    5. Re:Devs should do QA by Ecuador · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, actually Apple has quite a significant share of time-related bugs and it almost seems like they are trying to... ehm... "corner the DST market" ? :)
      For example, I distinctly remember my iPhone forgetting to wake me up in time a few years ago after DST. From a quick search I see it was 2010. So, iOS 4.1 had a bug where repeating alarms did not work across DST change boundaries. What was infuriating about the bug is that Apple had ample warning, as 2-3 weeks before the Europe, it hit Australia and NZ. That was not enough time for a fix (Apple appears to have suggested "use non-repeating alarms" aka "you're doing it wrong"), so it hit Europe and, then, a week later the US as well. Then they had a DST bug in 2013 as well.

      But of course apart from DST there have been other gems like the aforementioned 1970 bug...

      And these are the high profile bugs, as a developer I know of subtle bugs that you have to work around since Apple declares them as "as designed" (for example, the date formatter "HH" may or may not be affected by the "24h time" slider in settings, depending on what is the default of that slider in the phone region.. ugh).

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    6. Re:Devs should do QA by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      I once had a Windows system, I think it was Windows 95 or 98, prompt me to update for Daylight Savings time. It wanted to set the clock back an hour. I said 'yes' to the prompt.

      An hour later it prompted me again, to see if I wanted to set the clock back for Daylight Savings time.

  3. hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Climate change now affecting our Apples?

  4. You don't own the iThing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You merely have a license to keep paying them. Pay up for your status symbol.

  5. Quality apple software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what more can you say.

  6. Clarification by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a Series 1 Apple Watch, and as far as I can tell it wasn’t enough to ask it “what’s the weather?” - I had to add the qualifier “right now” to get my watch to respiring.

    But yeah, silly bug. If Siri actually worked well, it might’ve been more annoying... but I can’t imagine too many people have the patience to use her as their primary means of interaction with the device. “I’ll tap you when I’m ready” gets old, really fast.

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    1. Re:Clarification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Siri a lot and only get "I'll tap you when I'm ready" when the iPhone is far away or on a poor connection.

    2. Re:Clarification by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I can already see the new scheme by bums.

      "Dude, spare a buck or I have to ask you what the weather's like right now!"

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  7. Apple fanboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know a lot of apple fans don't like winows, but surely just looking out of one would avoid having to ask Siri?

    1. Re: Apple fanboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both Apple and Microsoft users can rest assured they are using software that is at least far superior to Linux.

    2. Re: Apple fanboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do love my Microsoft Android phone.

    3. Re:Apple fanboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have no windows in their offices. Management assures them it is a courageous feature.

    4. Re: Apple fanboys by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      Apple's OS is a unix-based OS, just the same as Linux. So it's hardly superior to Linux...

      Windows, on the other hand...

    5. Re:Apple fanboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have no windows in their basements. Mom assures them it is a courageous feature.

      FTFY.

    6. Re:Apple fanboys by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      I don't have a thermometer outside the window, you insensitive clod! :^D

  8. Beware by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 0

    This article concerns about 0.01% of our readers.

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    1. Re:Beware by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Most articles we see on Slashdot concern us equally little. What results is usually an interesting discussion on why and how.

    2. Re:Beware by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But it amuses the other 99.99%.

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  9. Re: Apple? It's SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It depends on the project. Your criticism explains why a lot of FOSS is doomed to obscurity, but the really successful Linux projects like Ubuntu, Fedora and Mint either have large corporate support and/or very active and helpful user communities.

  10. Shut up already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enough apple "news".. It's far too ridiculous by now. I'd rather hear News for Nerds and Stuff that Matters

  11. My Casio never let me down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enough of these smart watches, they are just tech jewelry for rich people. They really serve no purpose but to say, "look at me!"

    They do not solve a core problem that society is facing today. The smartphone did; this does not. If Dick Tracy had a smartphone he wouldn't need a watch.

    Reminds me of one of my favourite movie quotes ever

    1. Re:My Casio never let me down by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      There's a pretty big gap between "serves no purpose" and "does not solve a core problem". And they will keep getting better to the point where it will seem foolish to not have one.

    2. Re:My Casio never let me down by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      The mobile phone replaced the PC. The smart watch will replace the mobile phone. Next?

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    3. Re:My Casio never let me down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, foolish is spending £600 for a device that solves the problem of "I'm too lazy to remove the mobile phone from my pocket". If it doesn't crash when someone gives you a ring.

    4. Re:My Casio never let me down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems pretty foolish to wear some gizmo strapped to your wrist in this day and age. Smartwatches are some anachronistic throwback like found in those old Popular Science magazines. a smart-desk complete with electronic blotter and electronic secretary or an oven that prepared the entire meal instead of merely cooks it. It's stupid because while it kind of predicts where things might go, it takes the metaphor too literally (heh) and we end up with a bizarrely specific description of some old tech wrapped up in future tech.

      The sad part is that Apple didn't realize the whole Dick Tracy watch was not what people would literally be using in the future.

       

    5. Re:My Casio never let me down by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      The mobile phone replaced the PC. The smart watch will replace the mobile phone. Next?

      Implant.

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    6. Re:My Casio never let me down by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "The mobile phone replaced the PC"

      Not for about 80% of my needs has a smartphone even come close to a PC.

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    7. Re:My Casio never let me down by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of my non-work PC-type stuff is on my phone. There are some things that are more convenient to do on my laptop, but the phone is right there and I can use it to perform the task just fine. For a few rare things I use the laptop, but the vast majority of the time I use the phone.

      Could I use it in work? Probably not. But at home I rarely use a PC these days.

      Prior to having the phone, my laptop would be beside me on the sofa. Now it's in the office upstairs, out of the way, and powered down.

    8. Re:My Casio never let me down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seiko SRP777 for the win!

    9. Re: My Casio never let me down by Demena · · Score: 1

      No worries. This âoebling on my wristâ has saved my life twice. It has called for help when my heart problemshave rendered me unable to do and it allied me call for help after falling down the stairs an I could not reach my phone. Sure, sure, it is a waste of money and I just want to show off...

    10. Re:My Casio never let me down by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      The smart watch will not replace the phone, because its physical limitations (screen size, touchscreen interface size, wrist attachment) make it unsuitable for most purposes for which the phone is sufficient.

      There might be a hybrid; a wristband-phone. Flexible screen that can be wrapped around your wrist, worn like a smartwatch, or kept flat for use as a phone. But notice how phones actually *grow*, physical screen size becoming increasingly important. The tiny screen of a smartwatch is simply unsuitable for most multimedia uses.

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    11. Re:My Casio never let me down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You see you have misunderstood the drivers of technology. Necessity is not the mother of invention, laziness is.
      I don't have an Apple watch, but I definitely have a smart watch and the primary reason I have it is because it lets me leave my phone in my pocket, something that is of reasonable worth to me.
      I can't speak to whether the Apple watch crashes when it gets a call, but my device definitely doesn't and when I don't want to talk to the caller I can just swipe and send the call to voicemail without taking my phone out of my pocket.

  12. Smartwatch?? by ycv · · Score: 0

    How can this still be called a smartwatch if it can't deal with DSL?
    Is it giving the correct time at least?
    In any case the smart adjective is overrated.

    1. Re:Smartwatch?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's smarter than its intended audience.

    2. Re:Smartwatch?? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Of course it doesn't deal with DSL. It uses GSM connection and it's too small for a phone plug. Plus plugging the landline into a watch defeats the whole portability idea. Just imagine dragging your DSL link behind you as you go by car...

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  13. That was close by tsa · · Score: 1, Funny

    The world breathes a sigh of relief. We were almost done for.

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  14. Re:Paid Linux shills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At any given moment there are millions of people going through the source code of Linux looking for bugs and vulnerabilities. Hence why there are none.

    Have an issue with an Apple product? Prepare to be ignored.

  15. Only apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would make a watch that can't deal with time.

    1. Re: Only apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The same company who made a phone that can't call?

    2. Re: Only apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the iPhone 4 days there was a bug that happened *two DST changes in a row* that caused alarms to go off at the wrong time (or not at all, can't remember).

  16. Silicon Valley Engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are the same sort of engineers that are designing self driving cars. And Silicon Valley CEOs are fast tracking the legislature to get this new technology on the road as quickly as possible. You all realize we're totally fucked right?

  17. Re:Apple? It's SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever since Apple got rid of its QA department things have gone downhill fast.

    What? This is an July 18, 2017 description of what it's like to work as a "Quality Assurance Analyst" for Apple.

  18. Help me understand. by Chrisje · · Score: 2

    In order to know the current weather, one could look out the window. Or worse: Actually walk outside and have a feel.

    Granted, where I live "buienradar" is a good thing since it allows you to plan around rainfall at a given location at a given time, but this smartwatch bug seems to be a first world problem if ever I saw one.

    1. Re:Help me understand. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on working somewhere with windows. Where I live I check buidenradar or my phone to anticipate if it is raining *before* I put on a shitload of cloths to leave the bunker. Though I admit sometimes I don't ask my phone. If I see a person who's just arrived I ask them instead. Never mind that siri attempts to give you an hour by hour forecast.

      Try planning 3 hours ahead by looking out the window. That works in southern parts of Australia, not in the Netherlands.

    2. Re:Help me understand. by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      Looking out your windows you'll see what the weather is like in that direction. You then need to move to the other side of the house to check the weather in the other direction, or go outside to check the weather in all directions. One side of your house could show blue skies, and the other a dark ominous cloud moving in. The sun might be out and the ground dry, but it could still be sub-freezing temperatures -- you can't see the temperature.

      Simply asking your watch/phone/computer/tablet/... about the weather will give you an idea of the forecast, whether rain is expected despite the blue skies, what the temperature is like, etc.

      I look out the window each morning, but still look at the forecast on my watch or phone.

    3. Re:Help me understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least where I live, you really don't need to check all directions. The weather always comes from the same. I'd honestly be surprised if weather rolled in from different directions anywhere honestly. Wind tends to be fairly consistent. For the US I'd imagine it's mostly just check west. Watching weather forecasts for all my years, weather patterns seem to always move west to east.

    4. Re:Help me understand. by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      this smartwatch bug seems to be a first world problem if ever I saw one.

      You could just as readily extend that to smartphones in general. Just about everything people do with smartphones falls under incremental efficiency, entertainment, or some combination of the two. It's way too easy to lose sight of how well society somehow managed to function without them.

  19. I iknow by eminencja · · Score: 0

    This must be the global warming!

  20. Who would know anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, doesn't that make sense!

  21. Re: Paid Linux shills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No there isn't. There is very few people looking deeply at the Linux kernel code for random bugs.

    Which is same as closed source

  22. Probably a climate change denial NSL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple was forced to not let Siri answer climate-related questions.

  23. Was Europe/non-US affected last week? by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    If this was a DST issue, surely Europe (and a lot of the non-US DST-setting world) would have been affected last week as most would have changed their clocks on the last Sunday of October. Was this an issue then? Or was this only affected by the US DST change? In which case, why is Siri worldwide affected by US DST only?

    1. Re:Was Europe/non-US affected last week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Servers located in the US?

    2. Re:Was Europe/non-US affected last week? by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      I would have expected them to be spread out globally, considering that apple have datacentres globally. It would make sense that asking Siri a question would mean Siri would connect to the closes datacentre to a get the answer, rather than one on the opposite side of the world.

      Unless apple run all of their servers worldwide on PST or something...

  24. Re: Apple? It's SHIT by geekmux · · Score: 2

    Linux is garbage. Open source is generally garbage. It will continue to be garbage as long as developers reopens to criticism by telling users to go solve the problems themselves. That's the typical open source response, to tell users that if they don't like something to go code up a fix on their own. As long as there are so any hostile attitudes from Linux and open source developers, it will continue to be garbage. The criticism tells developers how to improve the software. When the criticism is dismissed, it drives away users and the software remains garbage. Linux and open source are garbage and are not real solutions for most problems. Linux zealots like you are far too conceited to even accept there's a problem, let alone to actually fix the issues and make your software usable. Windows, iOS, and macOS all have their issues, but all are far superior to Linux.

    Open Source is dismissive by offering users dozens of alternatives, allowing them to DIY on any hardware. You call this "garbage".

    Apple is dismissive by offering consumers no alternatives running on custom laser-sealed hardware. You call this "courage".

    You have one hell of a way of defining conceited.

  25. Ob by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Have you tried wearing it upside down with the face on the inside?

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  26. I really wonder how they develop software by ReneR · · Score: 1

    No matter what, if the virtual assistant Siri, or the Calendar is crashing (sigh), it should not crash and reboot the "whole" OS. Must be really crappy, insecure integration if something as "simple" as this causes a reboot! #peakbugs https://www.youtube.com/user/r...

  27. Must be really crapy software architecture by ReneR · · Score: 1

    No matter what, if the virtual assistant Siri, or the Calendar is crashing (sigh), it should not crash and reboot the "whole" OS. Must be really crappy, insecure integration if something as "simple" as this causes a reboot! #peakbugs https://youtube.com/renerebe

  28. Re: Apple? It's SHIT by dougdonovan · · Score: 2

    i "gave" my apple watch to my neighbors kid.

  29. Feminismo o muerte! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > "Asking Siri something like 'What's the temperature?'

    Her menstrual cycle or pregancy is none of your business, patriach! Keep your dirty hands off her womb!

  30. Re: Apple? It's SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do know that Apple both contributes and consumes from the opensource community right?

    https://opensource.apple.com/

    Even the KERNEL from OSX is based on MACH and opensource.

  31. Re:Apple? It's SHIT by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I fully expected a link to a blog from some Apple fanboy who bought every single piece they ever made.

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  32. Re: Apple? It's SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i "gave" my apple watch to my neighbors kid.

    At gunpoint, I presume. Ever thought of moving somewhere else?

  33. Clever watch by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    You never know where the person wearing you stands on AGW, so dodge the question.

    Now, that's good for watches, but how can I shut down properly the next time I get asked "Does that dress make me look fat?"

    All I figured out so far is that "No, the fat makes you look fat" is the WRONG answer.

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    1. Re:Clever watch by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I give an honest, but incomplete answer. "No, dear. The dress doesn't make you look fat".

      The dress is irrelevant there. :)

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  34. Re:Apple? It's SHIT by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    QA is the first to get the boot. It appears that DST is still a novel concept to developers. Say, how much do people pay for Apple gear? It is in no way better than the stuff from the other guys who ask only half as much for it or even less.

  35. Re: Apple? It's SHIT by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    As opposed to closed source where you have to patch every month as well....but only those things that the vendor and guvernment want you to have fixed. It is not a matter of closed source or open source, it is a matter of user focus, quality assurance, and ethics. Both camps are sorely lacking.

  36. Re: Apple? It's SHIT by Merk42 · · Score: 1

    Apple is dismissive by offering consumers no alternatives running on custom laser-sealed hardware. You call this "courage".

    Where did GP do this?

  37. Re:Paid Linux shills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At any given moment there are millions of people going through the source code of Linux looking for bugs and vulnerabilities. Hence why there are none.

    Have an issue with an Apple product? Prepare to be ignored.

    Are you seriously saying Linux has no bugs?

  38. Yup, they're definitely trolling us now by drew_kime · · Score: 1

    The problem may have been caused by Daylight Savings Time ...

    Is there a Slashdot style guide that specifically requires this incorrect plural just to fuck with us?

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  39. That usually ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... kills most conversations.

    "So, how do you like this weather?"

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  40. Re: Apple? It's SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya someone would have to point a gun at me before id take an iwatch from them.

  41. And the Android shills... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...post their anti Apple diatribe whilst blissfully ignoring the issues in their own camp. Like, for example, the Oreo Icon issue that, when enabled, send the phone into a bootloop that requires a system reset to fix.

    But hey, a one day avoidable bug that recovers immediately, now that's a probem...

  42. Kernel? by Demena · · Score: 1

    It is all available bar the UI

  43. Re: Moscow rain questions?criminal Hilary by Demena · · Score: 2

    I do not believe anything that Trump says about Clinton. On the other hand what she did to Bernie is undoubtablr criminal. A criminal act the resulted in Trump presidency

  44. I blame.... by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    El Nino.

  45. Re: Moscow rain questions?criminal Hilary by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    The problem with "criminal" is (as the court put it) violation of DNC's internal regulations is DNC's internal affair and outside of courts' jurisdiction. Clinton activities regarding the primaries didn't violate the US law, despite being a total mockery of democratic process, breaking a slew of DNC status regulations - they could only be pursued and punished by DNC, and with DNC being practically owned by Clintons, that's not going to happen.

    The public saw it though, saw how the organization with democracy in its name is run like a banana republic, and voted accordingly. And currently everyone, who had voted the counter-candidate being labeled Nazi by fanatic "strong arm" of the organization is only reinforcing the conviction.

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