Yeah, but how could you possibly know how much charge it will take to get you home?
It tells you on the dashboard.
What if you get stuck in a traffic jam and run out of juice!
Then your EV will be more efficient than if you were driving quickly on the highway and you'll get home with larger margin. Literally the worst case scenario for range is a perfect run and almost the best case is being delayed by inner city traffic. (The real best case is driving down the highway non-stop at 15mph)
Average time spent on a forecourt is around 7-8minutes. We own over 20000 petrol stations and got these numbers by surveying arrival and departure times from security cameras.
There is no way any charger is giving any vehicle significant range in 6 minutes
Nope, but 14-16minutes on the forecourt with a current supercharger will get you around 100miles which will always get you to your destination short of doing a longer roadtrip. Tesla's supercharger also isn't state of the art anymore. Porsche's is, and Telsa as well as Ultra E are about to put similar chargers all over the place that will put over 100 miles into your car in those same 7minutes.
Just admit that it's massively inconvenient and time consuming compared to ICE vehicle refuelling
I agree, it's massively inconvenient to refuel a vehicle on the road. Some 90% of EV owners just don't do it at all and laugh in the face of ICE owners wasting an average of 7 minutes every couple of weeks at the station. This is also why Ultra E are only installing superchargers in highways and not in cities. There's just no need to refuel a car when you're in a city anymore, and if you do in an emergency, well even with the crappy chargers of yesteryear you're still going to be ahead timewise compared to constantly having to do it.
And there is your incorrect assumption in the first 4 words. EVs recover most of their energy during stop start (short of emergency breaking). At that point all you're left with is a vehicle driving slower, closer to it's higher torque curve which on a variable speed system is often closer to peak motor efficiency, and at the speeds of the inner city far lower in terms of air resistance.
I mean EVs get max range driving perfectly steady at around 15mph. They don't lose much in stopping and starting, but they lose a lot as soon as they are out of stop-start situations as they are able to open up a bit more in the comfort of higher speed limits. Cars on the other hand waste 100% of their energy when breaking, use energy running idle, have low torque at low RPMs causing starting from a stop to be very inefficient, and generally achieve peak mileage driving around 55mph.
Perhaps they could make MAC addresses available if the user allows location tracking? Seems like that would be the reasonable compromise.
I don't think that idea is workable. Locations are needed by lots of legitimate applications, and tracking is then not controllable separate from this. I would say tie it to a developer mode, like location forging is in Android. Users need to purposefully enable developer mode and make that complicated enough and you weed out the stupid and leave only the ones who know what they are doing, or those incredibly committed to breaking their own privacy.
It only takes me about 5 minutes to fill up at a gas station. That will give my car 300-400 miles of additional range. Supercharging a Tesla takes 20-30 minutes, and will only get you about 200 miles of additional range. We're not there yet. Elon Musk has hinted at much faster superchargers in the near future, but right now it's not comparable. It makes long distance travel *possible*, but it's not yet as convenient as in a combustion vehicle.
The average person spends more than 5 minutes in the forecourt. EV charging is not primarily done at the station. Stations are for top-ups and destinations. If your Tesla spends more than 20min at a supercharger in Europe that means you're doing an international roadtrip. For the few minutes extra you'll always get to your destination as is currently. But the Tesla is also not the fastest charging system out there, and Telsa themselves have already teased a charger with more than double the power output currently available. Porsche has already installed such chargers.
We're not there yet.
We are. People just think that an EV needs to cover every single possible conceivable scenario but don't actually apply the same restriction to their own car. 99% of the population could switch now to EVs without issue. You just fell into a similar trap when you quoted how much range you get when you fill up. You don't need 400miles of range off a single fillup, you just need enough to get home where the majority of EV charging takes place.
Given I work at a company that has actual statistics on how long each customer spends in the forecourt I will counter with Er, Yes.
I'm pro-EV but we need to be honest with people how it all works. Rapid charging time is not likely to drop significantly.
Yes, I guess the fact that your Leaf isn't compatible with a modern fast chargers, and the fact that Porsche already has installed, Telsla has already demonstrated and is installing, and a EU consortium is planning to roll out 400 chargers which are well over double the fastest thing Telsa currently has on the market means that nothing will change. Good to know.
The problem is then explaining this to most end users.
"This is dangerous, do not accept this permission unless you really know what you're doing". Is a good way to start. People who go ahead anyway don't give a crap about their own system, and likely privacy and security as well. It shouldn't be up to Apple to deal with the truly stupid at the expense of functionality. If we keep going the iPhone XIV will replace the entire screen with a single big button with a label "push here if you're drooling from the mouth because your brain has ceased functioning". At least then we will have catered to the lowest common denominator.
can't immediately think of a way of doing this that would work well.
Android has a method for this. Tapping the build number in the info screen 7 times unlocks the developer mode in the device. The additional menu gives you access to a whole set of new features including the ability to snoop bluetooth, enable ADB, have an application override the location determined by the phone, select debug apps with low level system access, etc. There's no reason this couldn't be provided on iOS.
Until personal cars will have such a system - forget it!
Why? A modern fast charger will give you close to a full charge in just double the average time it takes already to fill up at a gas station.
And you rarely if ever need a full charge to get to where you're going. If you're doing a road trip you may actually want to spend longer than 10min at the charger too. Your kids are probably screaming at you that they are hungry.
Counter-intuitive to our traditional conditioning, this actually has either no effect or actually improves EV performance. Quite the opposite to a traditional ICE car which has the most efficiency driving long continuous stretches on a highway.
Unfortunately, allowing apps to access your MAC address
But why should Apple decide what gets allowed on "my" device? I mean I get to decide if an App is able to see my exact location for tracking purposes but I'm not able to decide if it has access to this significantly less invasive tracking method?
How far slashdot has fallen when comments like this are modded 5 insightful.
Why? Because people actually write what everyone would think? Maybe we should return to the Slashdot of old, and just be polite with our questions and then label the people in our minds and then reply saying how retarded they are and ask for a true Scotsman.
Slashdot is full of coders, we simply applied a standard optimisation algorithm to eliminate the worthless inefficiencies of the discussion. Given that you and I typed this I think the algorithm has some bugs that need to be ironed out.
Well he would have punched both candidates, but one of them was standing in the corner beating on himself. For some reason voters considered that more trustworthy and he "won" by a photo finish.
Yesterday: Revelation: US government is spying on its citizens Today: Err you probably know this: Russia is spying on its citizens. Tomorrow: Guys, China has a firewall. Saturday: WATER IS WET! AHHHH
The iPhone X is so tall that the notch is not really imposing on the usable area
Oh I agree with that. I don't think it is taking anything away functionally. It's just purely a visual... blemish in my eyes. An otherwise rectangular screen with something that I would historically have associated with an area of failed pixels. It's either subtle OCD on my behalf or conditioning of expecting a rectangular screen to show all the pixels within it's border.
Either way I can't get past it. The essential phone has a similar notch and I can't help wondering (even though I know better) if that notch is obscuring a notification icon.
And yet at the time when Firefox started getting some serious criticism it was one of the fastest and memory friendly browsers on the market. You know what we can do to improve that? Fuck with the user interface, add things no one wants, force people to write shitty extensions to make Firefox act the way it used to and.... oh look those extensions are buggy and make it all slow.
The things you listed are bug fixes, not "what the users want".
The funny thing about the notch to me is I don't really care about it
It's interesting to see the very mixed responses. Some people don't care, others (like me) think it's a blemish. It's like something is stuck to the screen and I can't get it off.
It would be interesting if there's any relationship between these views and typical screen designs the viewers are used to. e.g. I have rectangular screens on all my devices. I wonder if someone with e.g. a Galaxy Gear watch or similar device with a non rectangular screens feel the same way. But personally it looks wrong, and the mild OCD in me wants to clean that black goo away or return the phone with the obvious area of dead pixels.
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What the hell are you smoking?
You think these Taiwanese are going to go to the gay pride parade?
You think anyone in Taiwan including Google in Taiwan gives a crap about your Western US-centric SJW bullshit?
Yeah, but how could you possibly know how much charge it will take to get you home?
It tells you on the dashboard.
What if you get stuck in a traffic jam and run out of juice!
Then your EV will be more efficient than if you were driving quickly on the highway and you'll get home with larger margin. Literally the worst case scenario for range is a perfect run and almost the best case is being delayed by inner city traffic. (The real best case is driving down the highway non-stop at 15mph)
and it takes *maybe* 3 minutes to fully gas it up
Average time spent on a forecourt is around 7-8minutes. We own over 20000 petrol stations and got these numbers by surveying arrival and departure times from security cameras.
There is no way any charger is giving any vehicle significant range in 6 minutes
Nope, but 14-16minutes on the forecourt with a current supercharger will get you around 100miles which will always get you to your destination short of doing a longer roadtrip. Tesla's supercharger also isn't state of the art anymore. Porsche's is, and Telsa as well as Ultra E are about to put similar chargers all over the place that will put over 100 miles into your car in those same 7minutes.
Just admit that it's massively inconvenient and time consuming compared to ICE vehicle refuelling
I agree, it's massively inconvenient to refuel a vehicle on the road. Some 90% of EV owners just don't do it at all and laugh in the face of ICE owners wasting an average of 7 minutes every couple of weeks at the station. This is also why Ultra E are only installing superchargers in highways and not in cities. There's just no need to refuel a car when you're in a city anymore, and if you do in an emergency, well even with the crappy chargers of yesteryear you're still going to be ahead timewise compared to constantly having to do it.
How could wasting energy...
And there is your incorrect assumption in the first 4 words. EVs recover most of their energy during stop start (short of emergency breaking). At that point all you're left with is a vehicle driving slower, closer to it's higher torque curve which on a variable speed system is often closer to peak motor efficiency, and at the speeds of the inner city far lower in terms of air resistance.
I mean EVs get max range driving perfectly steady at around 15mph. They don't lose much in stopping and starting, but they lose a lot as soon as they are out of stop-start situations as they are able to open up a bit more in the comfort of higher speed limits.
Cars on the other hand waste 100% of their energy when breaking, use energy running idle, have low torque at low RPMs causing starting from a stop to be very inefficient, and generally achieve peak mileage driving around 55mph.
Perhaps they could make MAC addresses available if the user allows location tracking? Seems like that would be the reasonable compromise.
I don't think that idea is workable. Locations are needed by lots of legitimate applications, and tracking is then not controllable separate from this.
I would say tie it to a developer mode, like location forging is in Android. Users need to purposefully enable developer mode and make that complicated enough and you weed out the stupid and leave only the ones who know what they are doing, or those incredibly committed to breaking their own privacy.
If your smartphone "connects
You hit the important point without realising it. Sane devices don't magically try and connect to open wifi points just because they are there.
It only takes me about 5 minutes to fill up at a gas station. That will give my car 300-400 miles of additional range.
Supercharging a Tesla takes 20-30 minutes, and will only get you about 200 miles of additional range.
We're not there yet. Elon Musk has hinted at much faster superchargers in the near future, but right now it's not comparable. It makes long distance travel *possible*, but it's not yet as convenient as in a combustion vehicle.
The average person spends more than 5 minutes in the forecourt.
EV charging is not primarily done at the station. Stations are for top-ups and destinations. If your Tesla spends more than 20min at a supercharger in Europe that means you're doing an international roadtrip. For the few minutes extra you'll always get to your destination as is currently. But the Tesla is also not the fastest charging system out there, and Telsa themselves have already teased a charger with more than double the power output currently available. Porsche has already installed such chargers.
We're not there yet.
We are. People just think that an EV needs to cover every single possible conceivable scenario but don't actually apply the same restriction to their own car. 99% of the population could switch now to EVs without issue. You just fell into a similar trap when you quoted how much range you get when you fill up. You don't need 400miles of range off a single fillup, you just need enough to get home where the majority of EV charging takes place.
Er, no.
Given I work at a company that has actual statistics on how long each customer spends in the forecourt I will counter with Er, Yes.
I'm pro-EV but we need to be honest with people how it all works. Rapid charging time is not likely to drop significantly.
Yes, I guess the fact that your Leaf isn't compatible with a modern fast chargers, and the fact that Porsche already has installed, Telsla has already demonstrated and is installing, and a EU consortium is planning to roll out 400 chargers which are well over double the fastest thing Telsa currently has on the market means that nothing will change. Good to know.
The problem is then explaining this to most end users.
"This is dangerous, do not accept this permission unless you really know what you're doing". Is a good way to start. People who go ahead anyway don't give a crap about their own system, and likely privacy and security as well. It shouldn't be up to Apple to deal with the truly stupid at the expense of functionality. If we keep going the iPhone XIV will replace the entire screen with a single big button with a label "push here if you're drooling from the mouth because your brain has ceased functioning". At least then we will have catered to the lowest common denominator.
can't immediately think of a way of doing this that would work well.
Android has a method for this. Tapping the build number in the info screen 7 times unlocks the developer mode in the device. The additional menu gives you access to a whole set of new features including the ability to snoop bluetooth, enable ADB, have an application override the location determined by the phone, select debug apps with low level system access, etc. There's no reason this couldn't be provided on iOS.
Until personal cars will have such a system - forget it!
Why? A modern fast charger will give you close to a full charge in just double the average time it takes already to fill up at a gas station.
And you rarely if ever need a full charge to get to where you're going. If you're doing a road trip you may actually want to spend longer than 10min at the charger too. Your kids are probably screaming at you that they are hungry.
and make periodic starts and stops
Counter-intuitive to our traditional conditioning, this actually has either no effect or actually improves EV performance. Quite the opposite to a traditional ICE car which has the most efficiency driving long continuous stretches on a highway.
"Remarkable" if you're an Apple user. Windows 7 is supported for 11 years (at least). Windows XP was supported for 13 years.
Shame neither of them worked on an ultra low-power tablet device during a period where technical innovation was extreme.
Speaking of supported. My windows 3.11 machine utterly failed to upgrade to Windows 95 and there was only 3 years between releases.
Unfortunately, allowing apps to access your MAC address
But why should Apple decide what gets allowed on "my" device? I mean I get to decide if an App is able to see my exact location for tracking purposes but I'm not able to decide if it has access to this significantly less invasive tracking method?
lost interest right there
Indeed. GIMP has a much better user interface...es
Uh, it's widely believed in the intelligence community,
Where can I find this intelligent community?
How far slashdot has fallen when comments like this are modded 5 insightful.
Why? Because people actually write what everyone would think? Maybe we should return to the Slashdot of old, and just be polite with our questions and then label the people in our minds and then reply saying how retarded they are and ask for a true Scotsman.
Slashdot is full of coders, we simply applied a standard optimisation algorithm to eliminate the worthless inefficiencies of the discussion. Given that you and I typed this I think the algorithm has some bugs that need to be ironed out.
punching your candidate
Well he would have punched both candidates, but one of them was standing in the corner beating on himself. For some reason voters considered that more trustworthy and he "won" by a photo finish.
Yes but it's a steady trend.
Yesterday: Revelation: US government is spying on its citizens
Today: Err you probably know this: Russia is spying on its citizens.
Tomorrow: Guys, China has a firewall.
Saturday: WATER IS WET! AHHHH
The iPhone X is so tall that the notch is not really imposing on the usable area
Oh I agree with that. I don't think it is taking anything away functionally. It's just purely a visual ... blemish in my eyes. An otherwise rectangular screen with something that I would historically have associated with an area of failed pixels. It's either subtle OCD on my behalf or conditioning of expecting a rectangular screen to show all the pixels within it's border.
Either way I can't get past it. The essential phone has a similar notch and I can't help wondering (even though I know better) if that notch is obscuring a notification icon.
And yet at the time when Firefox started getting some serious criticism it was one of the fastest and memory friendly browsers on the market. You know what we can do to improve that? Fuck with the user interface, add things no one wants, force people to write shitty extensions to make Firefox act the way it used to and .... oh look those extensions are buggy and make it all slow.
The things you listed are bug fixes, not "what the users want".
Just what in the Firefox market share figures makes you think it remotely matters?
Considering the phone looks like someone spilled black goo on the top of the screen, I do wonder who is the "unwashed" here.
Has Apple trademarked 'the notch'?
oh oh oh PLEASE! They should trademark removing headphone jacks as well. Maybe then the stupidity will stop.
The funny thing about the notch to me is I don't really care about it
It's interesting to see the very mixed responses. Some people don't care, others (like me) think it's a blemish. It's like something is stuck to the screen and I can't get it off.
It would be interesting if there's any relationship between these views and typical screen designs the viewers are used to. e.g. I have rectangular screens on all my devices. I wonder if someone with e.g. a Galaxy Gear watch or similar device with a non rectangular screens feel the same way. But personally it looks wrong, and the mild OCD in me wants to clean that black goo away or return the phone with the obvious area of dead pixels.