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iOS 11 Released (theverge.com)

Today, Apple released the final version of iOS 11, its latest mobile operating system. If you have an iPhone or iPad that was released within the last few years, you should be able to download the new update if you navigate to the Settings panel and check for a software update under the General tab. The Verge reports: OS 11, first unveiled in detail back at Apple's WWDC in June, is the same incremental annual refresh we've come to expect from the company, but it hides some impressive complexity under the surface. Not only does it add some neat features to iOS for the first time, like ARKit capabilities for augmented reality and a new Files app, but it also comes with much-needed improvements to Siri; screenshot capture and editing; and the Control Center, which is now more fully featured and customizable. For iPads, iOS 11 is more of an overhaul. The software now better supports multitasking so you can more easily bring two apps into split-screen mode, or even add a third now. The new drag-and-drop features are also much more powerful on iPad, letting you manage stuff in the Files app more intuitively and even letting you drag and drop photos and text from one app to another.

139 comments

  1. It changes the file system without asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Fuck this iOS...

    1. Re:It changes the file system without asking by MouseR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You never had direct access to the file system, so why do you care?

      I work on a file system -intensive commercial App and we haven't had to bat an eye lid about these changes, because we use standard APIs and dont linger on deprecated APIs.

    2. Re:It changes the file system without asking by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      So what is the problem?
      Why would Apple ask you or really anyone about changing the file system?
      For the most part for normal users and even most developers these changes are transparent. If you were doing something that complex where the file system mattered chances are you were doing it wrong.

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    3. Re:It changes the file system without asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it doesn't - iOS 10.3 did that. If you didn't notice, that indicates how smoothly things went.

    4. Re:It changes the file system without asking by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Fuck this iOS...

      So what is the problem?

      What's usually the problem when you want to fuck something but you can't and as a result you get grumpy? Maybe iOS told him it wasn't in the mood because it had a headache or ... maybe .... maybe, he just rand out of Viagra?

    5. Re: It changes the file system without asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I hate getting rid of 30+ old antiquated file systems in favor of a thoroughly modern file system engineered for today's SSD storage hardware and computing needs. We should have all stuck with FAT16, because changing the file system without any impact whatsoever to the user besides more performance and better hardware life is terrible!

      You are an idiot.

    6. Re: It changes the file system without asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      suckling upon apple's jew cockle

      ^ somebody with mod points please mod down this racist piece of shit

  2. Released? by FrankHaynes · · Score: 1

    Or escaped??

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    1. Re:Released? by bobbied · · Score: 0

      Pushed out...

      This is Apple, you WILL take the update!

      (sarc off)

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    2. Re:Released? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Pushed up" might be a slightly more accurate description. I leave it to you to decide just what it is being pushed up.

    3. Re:Released? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      That's only for Klingon OSes

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    4. Re:Released? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this talk of "Release"? Klingons do not make software "releases". Our software "escapes", leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake!

      Found on wiki.c2.com, though the first time I saw it was almost quarter century ago.

    5. Re:Released? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Discharged.

    6. Re:Released? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enforced.

    7. Re: Released? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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      Raj: Uh, actually, if it’s not too much to ask, could we have the Jewish girlfriend experience?

      Michaela: Boy, would it maybe kill them to put out a nice brisket?
      Howard: Hi there, Howard Wolowitz.
      Michaela: Esther Rosenblatt.

      Howard: Cut the crap, you set this up, didn’t you?
      Leonard: Yes.
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      Raj: A prostitute, yes.
      Howard: You already gave her the money?
      Leonard: Yes.
      Howard: Thank you!

  3. Very cool, very apple-y. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But where is the source?

    1. Re: Very cool, very apple-y. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://opensource.apple.com

  4. Features removed, Fing neutered by m0gely · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I use Fing quite a bit for quick network scans. It's super useful because it identifies a large number of devices by brand. It does this by using MAC addresses. I got a notification in the app that with ios11 it would lose this capability as MAC addresses are no longer available for apps to see. The OS doesn't allow it. I remember when you could scan wifi channels with iOS. I like iPhones but I guess they just want normal people using the device, and not professionals who use it as a tool as well. Fing mentioned they will use other methods available to supplement the old method, but to expect it not to be as accurate.

    1. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      WiFi / network scanning are one of the only things I've ever missed when using an iPhone. I guess Apple considers it somewhat suspicious behavior, things that hackers and all that lot would do.

    2. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by Yaztromo · · Score: 5, Informative

      I use Fing quite a bit for quick network scans. It's super useful because it identifies a large number of devices by brand. It does this by using MAC addresses.

      Unfortunately, allowing apps to access your MAC address gives them a unique device identifier that can be sent over the network and used for tracking. Apple has removed this tracking vector. It sounds like Fing found the one useful non-tracking use for MAC addresses, and it got caught up in the security improvements.

      Yaz

    3. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was implemented to protect privacy

    4. Re: Features removed, Fing neutered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Right. You would rather have the buggy, insecure OS on the other phones. You know, the one the FBI does not have to take to court to get access too.

    5. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Go find an old iPhone (you can find the 4S for $20), leave Fing and the other edge case programs on it and use as needed. OF COURSE there are going be winners and losers with significant structural changes. But the vast majority of the Apple universe would thing that Fing was some marginally obscene gesture that their kids picked up from junior high.

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    6. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Apple's App Store takes a 30% cut. As does Google Play.

      There are other Android stores that take less, but they don't have much volume, so that's not much point.

    7. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Except at least on Android you have the option to sell yourself bypassing that 30% cut if you want to.

    8. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Good luck with that.

    9. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can do this on Apple mobile devices with an enterprise certificate. This is how businesses roll out custom apps to their iOS devices.

    10. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, allowing apps to access your MAC address

      But why should Apple decide what gets allowed on "my" device? I mean I get to decide if an App is able to see my exact location for tracking purposes but I'm not able to decide if it has access to this significantly less invasive tracking method?

    11. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      The nicest way of doing this would be to add a permission to see MAC addresses. The problem is then explaining this to most end users. If you have too many permissions, users get into the habit of simply approving all of the ones that they don't understand. Given the ratio of apps that use the MAC address for useful-to-the-user purposes vs apps that use the MAC address for spying on the user, I can't immediately think of a way of doing this that would work well.

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    12. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      MAC addresses of other devices on the network?
      Or its own MAC address?

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    13. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      My son just tested his, it scans the MAC addresses themselves fine, it just doesn't auto-detect the device brand or hostname; you get "generic". You could cross reference the brand from a mac-vendor list website, but it seems to scan MAC addresses themselves. You just won't get any further info about the devices it finds.

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    14. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This seems like the sort of thing the app dev should defend to Apple, and Apple should allow the user to accept. But that would mean the user would have to think.

    15. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      The problem is then explaining this to most end users.

      "This is dangerous, do not accept this permission unless you really know what you're doing". Is a good way to start. People who go ahead anyway don't give a crap about their own system, and likely privacy and security as well. It shouldn't be up to Apple to deal with the truly stupid at the expense of functionality. If we keep going the iPhone XIV will replace the entire screen with a single big button with a label "push here if you're drooling from the mouth because your brain has ceased functioning". At least then we will have catered to the lowest common denominator.

      can't immediately think of a way of doing this that would work well.

      Android has a method for this. Tapping the build number in the info screen 7 times unlocks the developer mode in the device. The additional menu gives you access to a whole set of new features including the ability to snoop bluetooth, enable ADB, have an application override the location determined by the phone, select debug apps with low level system access, etc. There's no reason this couldn't be provided on iOS.

    16. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I agree that it would be nice if this could be turned off on a per-app basis, but suggesting it's less invasive isn't correct, given the existence of international databases that provide locations for the vast majority of hotspots that can be observed by a car driving around. When news broke a few months back that apps were using MAC addresses to geolocate users who had location tracking turned off, a few links started circulating that would let you punch in the name of your hotspot and then would show it to you on a map, usually accurate to within a few meters.

      Perhaps they could make MAC addresses available if the user allows location tracking? Seems like that would be the reasonable compromise.

    17. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is dangerous, do not accept this permission unless you really know what you're doing". Is a good way to start.

      You mean:

      "This is dangerous. Do not accept this permission unless you really know what you're doing".

      Correct English grammar would be a better way to start.

    18. Re:Features removed, Fing neutered by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they could make MAC addresses available if the user allows location tracking? Seems like that would be the reasonable compromise.

      I don't think that idea is workable. Locations are needed by lots of legitimate applications, and tracking is then not controllable separate from this.
      I would say tie it to a developer mode, like location forging is in Android. Users need to purposefully enable developer mode and make that complicated enough and you weed out the stupid and leave only the ones who know what they are doing, or those incredibly committed to breaking their own privacy.

    19. Re: Features removed, Fing neutered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not without a lot of steps for both user and developer, and for a limited number of devices.

  5. iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I have an iPad2 that is working perfectly well - except the AppStore won't let me upgrade past iOS 9.something.

    Thanks Apple!

    1. Re:iPad 2 by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have an iPad2 that is working perfectly well - except the AppStore won't let me upgrade past iOS 9.something.

      Thanks Apple!

      Your iPad 2 was released 6 years ago. It was supported with bug fixes and upgrades for just about 5 years. That is actually remarkable for any device in this day and age. You say it is working fine, so keep using it until it dies.

    2. Re:iPad 2 by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is actually remarkable for any device in this day and age.

      "Remarkable" if you're an Apple user. Windows 7 is supported for 11 years (at least). Windows XP was supported for 13 years.

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    3. Re:iPad 2 by baker_tony · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thanks Apple!

      Apple: You're welcome! Please continue to enjoy your perfectly working 6 year old device.

    4. Re:iPad 2 by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      Umm so. You have an older device, and you really expect the new version to run on older devices? Mobile devices are rather optimized trying to keep all old platforms compatible with a new OS, is in general a bad idea.

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    5. Re: iPad 2 by Moofie · · Score: 2

      Iâ(TM)d love for you to make that argument for Windows Mobile. Thatâ(TM)d be pretty funny.

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    6. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How do you argue with crazy? The OP was talking about the iPad 2, an electronic device that won't run iOS 11.

      You're talking about Windows 7 and XP, which are software operating systems and not electronic devices. No comparison.

      Here are two that don't help you at all:
      -The majority of Android devices are running version 4.4 or earlier and cannot be updated, nor will they by the carriers.

      -Microsoft released devices to run Windows RT, an OS released in 2011 that hasn't been updated since 2015. The devices are junk and so is the operating system.

      Hard for you to eat crow with egg on your face.

    7. Re: iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? There's no reason why one shouldn't be able yo upgrade the OS. It's fake obsolescence. And many apps are dropping dead because they won't on older versions of iOS.

      I find it inexcusable.

    8. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it were only new features you would have a point, the problem is that Apple doesn't release security updates for old devices either, which can kind of leave people in a lurch, especially if they bought the product towards the end of the lifecycle.

    9. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, the iPad Mini's that we bought were supported for just around 6 months. They were still under the original limited hardware warranty when Apple removed the ability to update the software. And everybody knows that you are asking for trouble browsing the open internet (especially with ads) on a device without the latest security updates.

      So yeah, hardware problem, you get a free replacement; software problem, you get nothing.

    10. Re:iPad 2 by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Desktop OSs and Phone OSs are not the same.

    11. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now compare iOS 6-7 years to Android's 0.5-2 year support lifespan on flagship devices.

    12. Re: iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The iPad 2 has a 32-bit processor. iOS 11 is 64-bit only.
      If you can find a way to make a 64-bit OS work on a 32-bit device, please be my guest.

    13. Re:iPad 2 by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      Well yes that can be an issue, so here is an idea, if you want 6-7 yeats off sw updayes, buy your iOS device at releade ore during the firce year on sale, for the rest of the cycle it’s a trade off, lover price vs shorter sw support, the choice us yours. Btw imho the iphone X has a rediculess price imho,I will not pe geting it, as due to several eyesight issues even the somewhat larger screen is still to smsll to replace my ipad for longer oeriods of time

    14. Re:iPad 2 by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      "Remarkable" if you're an Apple user. Windows 7 is supported for 11 years (at least). Windows XP was supported for 13 years.

      Shame neither of them worked on an ultra low-power tablet device during a period where technical innovation was extreme.

      Speaking of supported. My windows 3.11 machine utterly failed to upgrade to Windows 95 and there was only 3 years between releases.

    15. Re:iPad 2 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      How many phones run Windows 7? My partner had a Nokia Lumina 1020 that came with Windows Phone 8 in 2013. It got an upgrade to Windows Phone 8.1 some time in 2014. It hasn't had security updates for well over a year. I think it got somewhere between 2 and 3 years of security updates, for a fairly high-end Windows Phone device.

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    16. Re:iPad 2 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 0

      The real problem is that, after Apple stops providing security updates, the bootloader is still locked and there's no possibility of ever running another OS on the device. The iPad 2 is fairly underpowered by modern standards. It has a dual-core ARM Cortex A9 (in-order, dual issue) at 1GHz and 512MB of RAM. There are still a lot of things that it could do. We've got an old tablet mounted on the wall reading the output from our Jenkins server, for example. It needs to run a web browser and render some simple HTML. An iPad 2 is fine for this kind of thing, or to control a MusicPD server, or for a myriad of uses where being small and portable are the only real requirements, but Apple forces you to either run a known insecure OS or throw them away.

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    17. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I just wish the UI designers would wise up to this fact.

    18. Re:iPad 2 by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      A pad is not a computer.
      If you want to compare apples with egs, then compare Windows X with Mac OS X or macOS.

      Then again, there is usually no urgent need in the Apple world too upgrade to the next OS version. I deliberatly run my 17" Mac Book Pro on 10.6.x IMHO the best OS X.

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    19. Re:iPad 2 by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      If you run it inhouose as appliance ... what exactly is insecure then?
      What security flaws does 7.1.2 have? I'm not aware of any ... but not important, as I'm likely now less than one promille of the iPad traffic :)

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    20. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android devices are cheap enough that's not really a big deal. For the prices Apple charges, you better be getting 10 years of updates.

    21. Re:iPad 2 by Malc · · Score: 1

      You've got it the wrong way around. You have to think about how long the hardware is supported, and consider newer versions of the operating system as patches to the original. From this perspective, the the mid 2007 MacBook Pros and early 2009 MacBooks are still receiving security patches via OS X 10.11 El Capitan. I'm still using one of these ten year old MacBook Pros at home, and it's going great, and the OS its running is still supported by Apple.

    22. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What.. Is apple lying again? They are running around telling people and ipad is better than a computer.

    23. Re: iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, why don't they support every old ancient model on their latest software! After all, even if it can't run the software at all from having a completely different CPU architecture (32-bit) I should be able to upgrade and brick my device! And, even if it did run, I want it to be slow as fuck just so I can say it's on the latest!

      And besides, my 5 year old Android tablet will definitely get the latest, and it will work perfectly!

      Go away, moron.

    24. Re:iPad 2 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      If you run it inhouose as appliance ... what exactly is insecure then?

      Does it connect to the WiFi? If so, the vulnerability in the WiFi firmware that allows an attacker to run arbitrary privileged code probably matters. Do you use the web browser? If so, there are several known Safari vulnerabilities that could be exploited if you look at any pages other than ones that you control. Do you allow anything (including WebGL) to access a GPU context? If so, you might care about the (several) memory management vulnerabilities in the kernel's part of the graphics stack that allow privilege escalation (and therefore sandbox escape).

      If it's only running trusted software on a trusted network with trusted users, then it's probably fine. Otherwise... take a look at the security vulnerabilities that Apple publishes with each security update and ask yourself how many of those you'd be happy to leave unpatched.

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    25. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > A pad is not a computer.

      Of course it is.

      Dummkopf.

    26. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you comparing a laptop to a phone or tablet ? Two completely different systems.

    27. Re:iPad 2 by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      ow is this comment modded up as insightful? This is an apple's and oranges comparison.

      We are talking about phone/pad OSs. You are lucky to get 2 years of updates for a phone. And the PC tablets are lucky to still be running in 2 years.

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    28. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the double standard is amazing. I think Apple is better at making and supporting phones than anyone else, but can you imagine if, when Win10 came out in 2015, it would refuse to install or run on a computer built or purchased in the Win7 days just 6 years prior? The outrage would be immense, I think the news would probably break Slashdot article comment-count records by a mile. People would be absolutely livid.

    29. Re:iPad 2 by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      Stop making pertinent comparisons! /s

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    30. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should it matter what kind of device it is? If you argue that phones and tablets were weak back then: Well now that they're not, will current mobile OSes get the long support we have expected from desktops?

    31. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is actually remarkable for any device in this day and age.

      "Remarkable" if you're an Apple user. Windows 7 is supported for 11 years (at least). Windows XP was supported for 13 years.

      And how long are Samsung phones and tablets kept up to date? Especially if they have telco firmware on them.

      Yeah, Microsoft has been so great about allowing people to keep running older Windows versions. All those forced upgrade stories I saw must have been a figment of my imagination. (MS is great for corp users, but Aunt Millie will be forced to upgrade; at least Apple doesn't force the installation of new versions even if you click "no".)

    32. Re:iPad 2 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I don't argue that phones have crappy support lifetimes, but I contest the assertion that Apple is particularly bad at this. They're probably the least bad of the bunch in terms of first-party support, though that's not a very high bar.

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    33. Re:iPad 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typed on an Iphone.

    34. Re:iPad 2 by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      You do realize that Windows is not a device, right? You're making an apples-to-oranges comparison by conflating the OS for the device running it.

      The question you need to be asking is how long a typical PC purchased in 2001 at the time of XP's launch was supported with the latest version of Windows. Given that we were seeing rather significant performance gains in CPUs around the turn of the millennium, old hardware quickly became obsolete back then. On the flip side of that, Vista was a resource hog compared to XP, so it left a lot of XP-capable hardware in the dust when it launched just 6 years later in 2007.

      Likewise, we're seeing similar performance gains in the mobile industry at the moment, with year-over-year improvements in performance of 30-50% not being uncommon, and we're also seeing major jumps in the demands being placed on the hardware by the OSes and apps. As such, just 6 years later, we're leaving old hardware in the dust. Which, again, is no different than it was with PCs.

      That said, you are correct that there is a difference, and I don't want to be dismissive of that. Whereas an XP machine that had been left in the dust by Vista could continue to limp along with an additional 7 years of XP support, an iOS device would have to limp along without that support. As you were getting at, Apple has never fared well compared to Microsoft when it comes to the lifespan of their non-mobile product support. Even so, Apple does fare remarkably well compared to its competitors in the mobile space, including Microsoft, in that 6 years is an unprecedented support cycle when placed against any Android devices on the market.

    35. Re:iPad 2 by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      And all that wont happen if you only use it for inhouse appliances.

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    36. Re:iPad 2 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      As I said, if it's not using WiFi (the WiFi vulnerability can be exploited by anyone in broadcast range, even if they're not on the same network), and if it's not ever connected to a network with untrusted devices (some of the network stack vulnerabilities can be exploited by anyone who can send packets on your network), then you're probably fine. As long as your in-house appliance is on a trusted network with no external access and no data coming in from outside, then you're fine.

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    37. Re:iPad 2 by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      I just wish the UI designers would wise up to this fact.

      Oh, SNAP! I'd +10 you if I could.

    38. Re:iPad 2 by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      They told me I need 8MB of RAM to upgrade my Windows 3.11 machine to Windows 95. I got it to go with only 4MB. Lucky I guess.

    39. Re:iPad 2 by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      Android devices are cheap enough that's not really a big deal. For the prices Apple charges, you better be getting 10 years of updates.

      Oh, just wave away any facts you don't like. There are plenty of several hundred dollar Android devices that are not getting updates after just a couple of years. That is a big deal to my wallet. I started out as an Android user. Samsung dropped support for my phone at about 1.5 years. You can bet I didn't replace it with another Android.

    40. Re:iPad 2 by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Lucky I guess.

      Or maybe not. After all we all know ($VERSION_OF_WINDOWS_BEING_TALKED_ABOUT - 1) was the last truly usable one. :-)

  6. Odd design & font look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure the new headers, like "Inbox" and other top level descriptions looks right. Odd design choice with a big ugly text string at the top of the page. Surely they could have made it more aesthetically pleasing.

    1. Re:Odd design & font look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure the new headers, like "Inbox" and other top level descriptions looks right. Odd design choice with a big ugly text string at the top of the page. Surely they could have made it more aesthetically pleasing.

      Complete waste of screen real estate with those headers.

      The designers should be shot.

    2. Re:Odd design & font look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      It looks like shit.

    3. Re:Odd design & font look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at IOS 5:
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/91/IOS_5_home_screen.png

      A million times better. I bet it didn't have any (or quite as many) undiscoverable 'swipe' actions either. The whole design of phone interfaces is completely wrong.

  7. New poll by phantomfive · · Score: 0

    How long until Apple collapses into a heap of the past?

    tbh their mistakes aren't much worse than Microsoft's or Ubuntu's though, so maybe they'll keep going for a while.

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    1. Re:New poll by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

      You need to post options.

      But, they are literally sitting on a pile of cash larger than the money the US government just wasted on the US military in budget increases this year.

      So ... never.

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    2. Re:New poll by baker_tony · · Score: 1

      Type AAPL in to google and click "5 years" or "max" to have an idea of when Apple will be collapsing in to a heap of the past...

    3. Re:New poll by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      People are still buying it, I don't see anything out there to dethrone them.

      Sure they may have good competition from Android, but at this point, either OS isn't different enough to really cause people to do a mass switch over. Unlike the release of the iPhone a decade ago where it offered a brand new device. We are now having competition of screen screens with touchscreens.

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    4. Re:New poll by antdude · · Score: 1

      And when Apple is in deep trouble, when will Steve Jobs return to fix the mess like in 1997 as shown in this old MacWorld video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... ... Oh right, he's dead. :(

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    5. Re:New poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus will return!

  8. What's this? by boudie2 · · Score: 1

    Before today I never heard of HEIF photo format which is some sort of spinoff of HEVC video. And apparently HEVC or H265 is the video format. More confusion.

    1. Re:What's this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HEIF and HEVC Photos and videos will convert on the fly when doing an export (or moving them off the device). This is already standard operating procedure pre-update. I don't know what is being used behind the scenes now.

      Note to Apple: When you don't include an SDCARD and put it Live View Photos using a 20-quadrillion pixel camera, you have to do something to optimize space on the device. Hope HEIF and HVEC are good choices.

      In any case, downloading it now.. it likes this new version is going to be sweet on the iPad PRO!

  9. You are confused by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    iOS devices were automatically converted to APFS back with iOS 10.3....

    Yes more Apple Hater ignorance on parade, like a giant floating turkey with the word STUPID stamped on the forehead.

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    1. Re: You are confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not crashing here. You need to look at another source if your problems

    2. Re:You are confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no. Not the dreaded apple haters..

    3. Re:You are confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yes, I'd like to see that... and we could have the turkey holding a giant iPhone to its head.

  10. 5 years support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "If you have an iPhone or iPad that was released within the last few years, you should be able to download the new update [...]"

    Take that Google.

    1. Re:5 years support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yeah. They are copying features from Android devices from three years ago. So their support is current when compared to the feature set of old tech.

  11. OMG the icons they burn! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Aaaahhhhhh!

    Sorry, it was the first thing I noticed, because I never pay for apps, so nothing broke.

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  12. Relief by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    I'm sure glad Apple is on top of this.

  13. You should be able to download the new update by hymie! · · Score: 1

    ...but you probably don't want to.

  14. They are making good choices by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    When you don't include an SDCARD and put it Live View Photos using a 20-quadrillion pixel camera, you have to do something to optimize space on the device. Hope HEIF and HVEC are good choices.

    They are very good choices, HEIF offering much better than JPG compression, and more importantly allowing them to store exotic metadata like depth maps with each photo.

    But on top of that, if you enable pushing photos out to iCloud, over time the originals will be removed from your system and kept in the cloud until you need the full size version. That enables you to store a ton of photos/video even on the 64GB devices...

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    1. Re:They are making good choices by theweatherelectric · · Score: 1

      HEIF offering much better than JPG compression

      HEIF doesn't offer any compression because it's just an image container format, which can also contain JPEG data.

  15. How does it perform in older iPhones? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    How does it perform in older iPhones, like the 6 for instance? It seems Apple devs focus on newer devices, so I'd wait a bit before installing 11 on my 6.

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    1. Re:How does it perform in older iPhones? by qzzpjs · · Score: 1

      I installed it on my 6 right away and haven't noticed any slow downs. Even runs good with the screen recorder running. Tried a few games as well, but I don't have any of those really graphics intensive ones to know how they'd fair.

    2. Re:How does it perform in older iPhones? by Algan · · Score: 1

      Seems to be good on my 6. No performance impact, at least nothing immediately obvious. Still early of course, we'll see...

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    3. Re: How does it perform in older iPhones? by Malc · · Score: 1

      I always wait for the .1 releases for these things. Maybe by then ID will have provided a 64-bit build of Doom, otherwise I'm gonna be in conflict!

    4. Re:How does it perform in older iPhones? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      It works about as well as iOS 10 did, but with the new options for reviewing what junk is taking up space on your phone, it gives you a lot more room to work if you made a dumb decision (like me) and bought the 16GB version.

  16. It has to be said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  17. And it's obsolete... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other words, if you have an iDevice that is older than , you can pretty much guarantee that the new version, from which you won't be able to revert, will bring your still-working hardware to its knees.

    It happened with my original $800 IPad, and again with a perfectly fine IPhone 5.

    1. Re:And it's obsolete... by ledow · · Score: 1

      That's okay. As per previous stories on Slashdot, Apple has argued in court that their devices are only built to last a year anyway.

      They have literally said that, in a court of law.

      Yet people still buy them.

  18. Progressive features, like blocking public wifi by urbanriot · · Score: 2

    Not sure if this is a typical Apple 'progressive' feature or a byproduct of bugs but sit long enough at a location with public wifi and listen to the people who upgraded having a powwow trying to figure out how they can connect after upgrading to IOS 11.

    Users reported issues during the dev builds earlier in the summer but it seems they've rolled out these 'features' (bugs) regardless and piles of people can't connect to public wifi, especially if it doesn't have a password. There's an auto-join function to override whatever the feature is supposed to represent but it's not working.

    1. Re:Progressive features, like blocking public wifi by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      I’must be lucky then, I’ve never had those wifi isues, then sgain I tend to awoid overloafe publc wifi runing on god knows what hardware with possibly out of date firmware on it. At home on my cisco 877w ( soon to be replaced by ubiquity gear due to it beeing eold by ciisco) and at uni allso running cisco gear there has not been a singel problem. si wonder what equipmet us used on those networks that has given people truble. I have noticed btw that Apple devices seem to be a bit picky when it comes to connectong to aps with low signal strenght ( as seen by the device) I kind of suspect a few of those public wifi networks tp be suffering from this problem but I might be way off on this

    2. Re:Progressive features, like blocking public wifi by yabos · · Score: 1

      I haven't had any problems with the wifi at my gym or at the grocery store which is a cellular black hole with the concrete and steel. They even have those forced portal pages where you have to agree to their TOS to use the wifi and it works fine. It must be something specific to certain vendors and not something they're doing on purpose.

    3. Re:Progressive features, like blocking public wifi by urbanriot · · Score: 1

      It seems dependant on the location. So far I've had issues at sites that do not have a password on the wifi connection but require additional sign up information. "iOS 11 will no longer allow your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch to connect to weak Wi-Fi networks automatically" was how it was worded at another site but in practice I'm seeing it preventing people from connecting to their local wifi.

  19. Itâ(TM)s a mixed bag for older devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For myself itâ(TM)s a mixed bag given that itâ(TM)s a bit sluggish on my iPad Mini 2 but fine on my iPhone SE so beware if you have a device that just made the cut.

  20. Just upgraded....fuck you Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why the fuck am I losing about an inch of screen real estate for Apple to tell my I'm looking at my mailboxes? Or that I'm in my Inbox?

    Who designed this shit?

    1. Re:Just upgraded....fuck you Apple by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      You're complaining about usability in the mail app on iOS? This is probably the poster child for poor UI design (hey, let's make phishing easier by having no way of displaying the actual From address, only whatever the sender put as their name!). Anything that Apple did to make it worse in iOS 11 is in the noise.

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    2. Re:Just upgraded....fuck you Apple by yabos · · Score: 1

      Tap on the "name" and it shows you the From address

    3. Re:Just upgraded....fuck you Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it doesn't. It shows you their contact card, if they have one.

    4. Re:Just upgraded....fuck you Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it does. Click the name and it will give you a contact card. You should see the email address noted as "other."

    5. Re:Just upgraded....fuck you Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what's on that contact card? The email address.

  21. Got that backwards... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I hadn't looked at it in a while and thought that was the new image format and the other was the container. Oops! Regardless, the point stands that they have a new format that has a much better compression than JPEG, and the container (as I also noted) lets them hold lots of other stuff alongside.

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    1. Re:Got that backwards... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now before you run around screaming appleappleappleapple please educate yourself. HEIF and HVEC where developed by the MPEG group; NOT apple. apple is implementing them; they didnt develop them. We all know how brainwashed apple cultists like to try and twist the facts and imply that this a new great thing apple created. Hell I doubt apple is even paying the proper patent owner; because thats the kind of thing apple does.

  22. the operators own tracking... by johnjones · · Score: 1

    The operators now own all the tracking... this is not about privacy its about control

    Network/Carriers simply inject cookies for advertising if they own media assets
    (https://www.accessnow.org/verizon-fined-1-35-million-use-supercookies/)

    The real problem is that Mobile network Operators can decrypt the streams via the MITM after all they own the Certificate authorities and can sign on the fly (its so bad that even advertisers had to ban some from their browsers)

    EV certificates are not the answer IMHO :
    https://0.me.uk/ev-phishing/

    we could move to a situation where we explicitly publish our certificates in DNS such as DANE then ALSO use Certificate Authorities we as users opt into

    heck you could even publish the certificates on a blockchain or a P2P system to supplement DANE anything has got to be better than the current situation

    https://mitm.watch/

    regards

    John Jones

     

  23. No discoverability. No affordances. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's wrong on so many levels, simply unbelievable. Hideous, 'flat' icons that look like absolute rubbish, all the same colour background (on some of the screens I saw), randomly swiping in different directions reveals other screens underneath. How is anybody supposed to know any of this without being shown it? This is just getting beyond a joke. Apple are making their user interface worse and worse with every new OS release.

  24. no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thanks, but I'll use v10.2 as long as possible.

  25. Field Testing signal strength is also disabled. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You used to be able to show the db strength all the time (vs bars) by dialing the *3001#12345#* and doing a few button pushes, but it appears that Apple in their wisdom removed your ability to do that.

  26. Stop mucking with iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The old interface, font and graphics were fine. They keep following this stupid flat graphics fad horseshit. Fuck all these designers

    1. Re:Stop mucking with iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opinion noted. Perhaps you should apply for a UI/UX position at http://jobs.apple.com since you seen to have your pulse on the best design options.

  27. Nice on ipad pro but app frustration by Camembert · · Score: 1

    I bought the new iPad Pro 10â a while ago and just installed ios11. It is a great improvement - now it is finally easy to drag and drop between apps. For lighter computer users it may be an acceptable single computer.

    So what is the frustration - I didnâ(TM)t expect that I had such a large number of 32 bit apps that donâ(TM)t work anymore. Hope that enough of them will still be upgraded.

  28. less crap around screen edges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this ios 11 thing is good... believe it or not... hard to imagine they didn't drop a stinkbomb on us... kudos apple for IMPROVING usability for once ... particularly nice is how there's less crap around the edges of the screen where you're swiping and scrolling in the app and accidentally trigger some useless ios feature you don't want - now everything like that is accessible by double-pushing the one button on the device... ios11 all day every day for me!

  29. iOS 11 has problems accessing email from Exchange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have an iPhone that is being used to access email from Microsoft Exchange servers, you may want to hold off on this update. The update currently is having issues getting email from Exchange. See https://suppot.apple.com/en-us/HT208136.