and please save your "voting doesn't work garbage, we've all heard it, we know what you're going to say
You can't possibly know what I'm going to say, especially since it's the exact opposite of what you assume.
I vote in every election, and I do think it counts. I think that resolving the issues that currently plague the US should be resolved by BOTH the ballot box and the legal system. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about getting a blowjob in the white house. Why haven't these people at least been impeached for the lies they've told. These lies have led to the deaths of many people, US citizens and otherwise.
Also, let me clarify one thing. I am not speaking out against the government. I am speaking out against the criminals that have hijacked the political system in the US, the new mafia, if you will. This not only applies to this administration, but also to the senate, the house, and the justice department.
we don't agree, so save yourself the trouble
so you speak for everybody? You may not agree. I'm sure there are others that don't agree. I'm equally sure that there are others who do agree. Either way, it is [currently] my right to voice my opinion, and I will exercise that right, just as you have done. Thank you for your opinion. Even though I have been out of the Army for a while, I still take seriously the oath to defend the constitution. Exercising rights is part of that duty.
George W. Bush is a fascist, a raper & pillager of the national treasury, a terrorist, and a traitor.
Not just him, but the whole administration... If terrorists truly are the enemy of the state, then this administration has committed treason, as defined in Article III, section 3 of the US constitution, Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
By flying the family of the #1 suspect in the 9/11 case out of the country without even questioning them, they have given the terrorists aid through negligence. By invading a country on false pretense and creating a breeding ground for terrorists, they have given the terrorists aid. By being so greedy and pillaging the resources of other countries, they have created more people who are likely to become terrorists. By giving most of the "defense" budget to their friends, and not providing our soldiers with adequate protection, they have provided aid to the enemy.
Since they have defined the terrorists as the enemy, yet done so many things to help these terrorists, the leadership of this administration has committed treason.
With any luck and some overdue justice for the American people, he will evenually be impeached, tried & convicted, and then turned over to the International Criminal Court at The Hague.
This really should happen. I'm not sure if he'll make it to the ICC, though, as he (and the rest of the traitors) may very well be hanged on the west lawn instead of sent to the Hague.
I guess this whole thing has been blown out of proportion by now. I don't know the whole history of this project or of any communication between Google and the publishers. You may be correct in that Google should have asked permission to copy the books like this. Maybe the publishers (if they really understood how this tool can increase their profits) should just give Google permission and drop the lawsuit. Maybe Google can give them some free (or reduced cost) advertising in return.
Neither side is completely right, nor completely wrong. I hope they work it out without screwing it up.
Every job I've had in the last eight years has required at least a BS, sometimes an MS. I am only a high school graduate. Ignore everything that the HR people say about requirements, and only pay attention to the skills needed (unless they are unrealistic, like "20 years experience in Linux 2.6 kernel programming").
Why not use synopis (if available) of books instead of scanning the whole thing?
That would defeat the entire point of this project. It gives people the ability to search the full text of [who knows how many] books for a specific string. One could almost consider it a really massive cross-referencing utility when researching any subject. Since people cannot download the whole book, the interface is tedious to use for more than quick searches, text cannot easily be copied/pasted, and some pages of each book are not available, this is not an issue.
Restrictions mean NOTHING, it's how they got the data to begin with that is troublesome; that's "the wrong way". The end does not justify the means.
Please tell me what the right way would be. I would really like to know. Here's an idea: why don't the publishers give Google their blessing to do this. Then, the is no perceived copyright issue (see below for why).
Another thing I noticed while playing around with this: The ads served up by Google in my results, and for the pages of books I viewed were links to buy the book at Amazon, B&N, and BookSense. How does this hurt the publishers and authors, again?
I don't think that Google is going about it the wrong way. In fact, I think that the publishers are just trying to be like the *AA. I just played around with Google Print and found that Google does not, in fact, post the entire book. From their FAQ:
6. I'm already logged in. Why are you telling me the page is unavailable?
As part of our efforts to protect a book's copyright, a set of pages in every in-copyright book will be unavailable to all users.
I discovered this as I tried to read parts of a fairly recently (2004) published book. In addition, the pages of the books are images, and you have to click to read each page. Also, you cannot skip to a specific page in the book, like in a physical book. That would be a real pain in the ass for anybody who wants to read a whole book.
The publishers are freaking out about nothing. This is a tool that will increase book sales, not decrease them. More of a "teaser," if you will. This is not evil.
That's a pretty good point. However, if all of the geeks in the world were to get really pissed off at the same time, all of this stuff could suddenly shut down, and the geeks wouldn't have to communicate anyway. Then, Jacky boy couldn't send any more faxes or emails, call anybody, float a biscuit, drink water, cook food (or eat out), drive his car, bully anybody without being beat up, take a plane or train, and have to s[h]it in the dark.
After all, geeks are the people who control telecommunications, energy distribution, "your computer," transportation, and most of the data in the world.
Show me a reputable study that backs that up. You can't...because there aren't any.
How about a court case instead of a study?. And before you start whining about it being a partisan website; truthout only reprinted this article from the Associated Press.
Oh, and being considered "smart" should not be based on your blind agreement of what the teacher says.
Hear, hear! Students have to study to the test. If it's a standardized test, then they are memorizing the answers for that test. If it's a teacher-created test, then they are memorizing the answers that they think the teacher wants to hear. Rarely are they ever taught critical thinking skills, logic, and real problem solving. Wihthout those skills, how could students be adept at science?
In addition to the increasing brainwashing and the decrease in critical thinking skills, there is also the issue of unregulated globalization and outsourcing by many corporations. They excuse used by these corps is that "there are not enough educated people in the US," but AFAIK, that is complete bullshit. There may be more people in other countries going to college for technical professions, but that is due to the increased demand in their own countries for people with these skills.
Note that I am not poo-pooing the idea of increasing funding for science-related education, nor am I opposed to the idea of trying to increase interest in these fields. I am only saying that another factor in the decline of interest in these areas of study is that fewer jobs are available in the US.
Now that the rambling is over, I guess I can put it like this:
(Religious_Brainwashing * (Unregulated_Globalism + Outsourcing)) / Apathy = Less interest in science.
Actually, it was the other way around. AOL bought Time Warner, but the TW management took over AOL. IIRC, AOL didn't have much debt until the merger, and part of that deal wat that AOL would assume TW's debt. Once the merger was complete, all of the TW managemnet started bitching about AOL's [newly assumed] debt, and how AOL was the unwanted stepchild.
Since TW ownes CNN and several other media outlets, it was forgotten that the debt transfer was part of the deal.
This is not to say that the merger was, in any way, a good idea, or that AOL's stock was not over-inflated at that time.
Thank you for explaining your sig; I haven't seen that movie (but have intended to for a long time), so I didn't understand.
As for thinking this has to do with Bush: I don't think this has anything to do with him; no matter how much I dislike him, it would not be logical for me to make that connection. In my comment, I did indicate that the arrogance in our government has been around a lot longer than Bush has. I also believe that arrogance not only applies to the US gov't, but to most governments in the world as well, including EU and UN (not really a gov't, I know).
A lot of people I've talked to in Italy, Poland and the UK perceive the EU as a French and German attempt to dominate the continent for no other reason then to compete with the United States.
Same here, except the people I've talked to are in the UK and Bulgaria (who is joining the EU soon). They are also pissed that there is no direct representation of the people in the EU, that the reps are appointed by the respective governments. Most people don't like the US or the EU.
Anyway - back on track - since most of the root DNS servers aren't even in the US anymore, this whole article is moot, and could almost be considered flamebait.
You call us arrogant? You are too arrogant to think that just maybe we are right once in awhile.
-- "I want peace on earth and good will toward men", "We are the United States Government. We don't do that sort of thing"
Sir, your sig contradicts your post.
Our government may be right once in a while, but I tend to agree that the US government (for a long time, before Bush even) has been consistently arrogant, uncommunicative, and uncooperative with it's citizens and the rest of the world. This issue only highlights that. Nothing more, nothing less.
Of course, the RIAA may feel emboldened, given the confirmation of John Roberts as chief justice of USSC. Robert's idea of out-of-whack punishment for 12 year old kids is apparent; from this article:
Another, much-noted accomplishment also has to do with civil liberties. In 2004, Roberts upheld the arrest of a 12-year-old girl who was handcuffed by transit police on the Washington Metro system for eating a single French fry. "No one is very happy about the events that led to this litigation," he wrote. Yet, he determined that the cops didn't violate the girl's rights under the Constitution's Fourth Amendment guarantee against unreasonable searches.
I know that there's a difference between unreasonable search and siezure and unreasonable punishment, but I think that the RIAA may be hoping that he will side with them if such a case were ever brought before the supreme court.
Re:This sort of thing...
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which is why I put the work "claimant" in the GP. The theory applies to both civil and criminal law, but with slightly different standards for proving guilt (reasonable doubt -vs- preponderance).
I definitely agree with you that the civility if the RIAA's actions is debatable. IMHO, the RIAA and MPAA are nothing more than a bunch of thugs extorting money from people who cannot afford to defend themselves.
I have this theory that greed is a subset of stupidity, so this is really not such a surprise to me.
The RIAA has gone after young/pre teens before, too. They received a lot of bad PR for that, but it was a couple years ago. In the linked/. article, I noticed that the kid's mother was also a single parent. Interesting pattern....
I guess they think that people have forgotten their previous PR disaster. Hey RIAA... want some more rope?
Unless you can prove that all the people who downloaded the work would never have paid for it, arguing that downloaders would not have bought the music does not stand.
In the US, there is this thing in the legal system which says that a person is innocent until proven guilty. This means that the burden of proof is on the prosecution (or claimant), not the defense. Therefore, it is up to the prosecution/claimant to prove that the downloaders would have paid for the music, not the other way around.
That being said, I normally do not use p2p to get music; I prefer to rip it from my own cds.
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Here's some of the political influence: Donald Rumsfeld still has stock in Gilead, the maker of Tamiflu.
You can't possibly know what I'm going to say, especially since it's the exact opposite of what you assume.
I vote in every election, and I do think it counts. I think that resolving the issues that currently plague the US should be resolved by BOTH the ballot box and the legal system. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about getting a blowjob in the white house. Why haven't these people at least been impeached for the lies they've told. These lies have led to the deaths of many people, US citizens and otherwise.
Also, let me clarify one thing. I am not speaking out against the government. I am speaking out against the criminals that have hijacked the political system in the US, the new mafia, if you will. This not only applies to this administration, but also to the senate, the house, and the justice department.
we don't agree, so save yourself the trouble
so you speak for everybody? You may not agree. I'm sure there are others that don't agree. I'm equally sure that there are others who do agree. Either way, it is [currently] my right to voice my opinion, and I will exercise that right, just as you have done. Thank you for your opinion. Even though I have been out of the Army for a while, I still take seriously the oath to defend the constitution. Exercising rights is part of that duty.
Not just him, but the whole administration... If terrorists truly are the enemy of the state, then this administration has committed treason, as defined in Article III, section 3 of the US constitution, Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
By flying the family of the #1 suspect in the 9/11 case out of the country without even questioning them, they have given the terrorists aid through negligence. By invading a country on false pretense and creating a breeding ground for terrorists, they have given the terrorists aid. By being so greedy and pillaging the resources of other countries, they have created more people who are likely to become terrorists. By giving most of the "defense" budget to their friends, and not providing our soldiers with adequate protection, they have provided aid to the enemy.
Since they have defined the terrorists as the enemy, yet done so many things to help these terrorists, the leadership of this administration has committed treason.
With any luck and some overdue justice for the American people, he will evenually be impeached, tried & convicted, and then turned over to the International Criminal Court at The Hague.
This really should happen. I'm not sure if he'll make it to the ICC, though, as he (and the rest of the traitors) may very well be hanged on the west lawn instead of sent to the Hague.
Hey! I will not be fooled by logical arguments! ;)
I guess this whole thing has been blown out of proportion by now. I don't know the whole history of this project or of any communication between Google and the publishers. You may be correct in that Google should have asked permission to copy the books like this. Maybe the publishers (if they really understood how this tool can increase their profits) should just give Google permission and drop the lawsuit. Maybe Google can give them some free (or reduced cost) advertising in return.
Neither side is completely right, nor completely wrong. I hope they work it out without screwing it up.
Every job I've had in the last eight years has required at least a BS, sometimes an MS. I am only a high school graduate. Ignore everything that the HR people say about requirements, and only pay attention to the skills needed (unless they are unrealistic, like "20 years experience in Linux 2.6 kernel programming").
That would defeat the entire point of this project. It gives people the ability to search the full text of [who knows how many] books for a specific string. One could almost consider it a really massive cross-referencing utility when researching any subject. Since people cannot download the whole book, the interface is tedious to use for more than quick searches, text cannot easily be copied/pasted, and some pages of each book are not available, this is not an issue.
Restrictions mean NOTHING, it's how they got the data to begin with that is troublesome; that's "the wrong way". The end does not justify the means.
Please tell me what the right way would be. I would really like to know. Here's an idea: why don't the publishers give Google their blessing to do this. Then, the is no perceived copyright issue (see below for why).
Another thing I noticed while playing around with this: The ads served up by Google in my results, and for the pages of books I viewed were links to buy the book at Amazon, B&N, and BookSense. How does this hurt the publishers and authors, again?
At least once their servers melted down.
I discovered this as I tried to read parts of a fairly recently (2004) published book. In addition, the pages of the books are images, and you have to click to read each page. Also, you cannot skip to a specific page in the book, like in a physical book. That would be a real pain in the ass for anybody who wants to read a whole book.
The publishers are freaking out about nothing. This is a tool that will increase book sales, not decrease them. More of a "teaser," if you will. This is not evil.
Bingo! Pandora's Box is exactly what I meant. It's a bit more scary than a little can of worms :)
That's what I was thinking while typing the post. I guess the mainstream media's "self-censorship" has gotten to me ;)
That's a pretty good point. However, if all of the geeks in the world were to get really pissed off at the same time, all of this stuff could suddenly shut down, and the geeks wouldn't have to communicate anyway. Then, Jacky boy couldn't send any more faxes or emails, call anybody, float a biscuit, drink water, cook food (or eat out), drive his car, bully anybody without being beat up, take a plane or train, and have to s[h]it in the dark.
After all, geeks are the people who control telecommunications, energy distribution, "your computer," transportation, and most of the data in the world.
Do you really wanna open that box?
Also, please don't forget that it also took public (taxpayer) money to invent (in this case). The inventions should be open and public domain.
How about a court case instead of a study?. And before you start whining about it being a partisan website; truthout only reprinted this article from the Associated Press.
Hear, hear! Students have to study to the test. If it's a standardized test, then they are memorizing the answers for that test. If it's a teacher-created test, then they are memorizing the answers that they think the teacher wants to hear. Rarely are they ever taught critical thinking skills, logic, and real problem solving. Wihthout those skills, how could students be adept at science?
In addition to the increasing brainwashing and the decrease in critical thinking skills, there is also the issue of unregulated globalization and outsourcing by many corporations. They excuse used by these corps is that "there are not enough educated people in the US," but AFAIK, that is complete bullshit. There may be more people in other countries going to college for technical professions, but that is due to the increased demand in their own countries for people with these skills.
Note that I am not poo-pooing the idea of increasing funding for science-related education, nor am I opposed to the idea of trying to increase interest in these fields. I am only saying that another factor in the decline of interest in these areas of study is that fewer jobs are available in the US.
Now that the rambling is over, I guess I can put it like this:
(Religious_Brainwashing * (Unregulated_Globalism + Outsourcing)) / Apathy = Less interest in science.
Since TW ownes CNN and several other media outlets, it was forgotten that the debt transfer was part of the deal.
This is not to say that the merger was, in any way, a good idea, or that AOL's stock was not over-inflated at that time.
How will google reconcile any partnership with Time Warner with their policy of doing no evil?
As for thinking this has to do with Bush: I don't think this has anything to do with him; no matter how much I dislike him, it would not be logical for me to make that connection. In my comment, I did indicate that the arrogance in our government has been around a lot longer than Bush has. I also believe that arrogance not only applies to the US gov't, but to most governments in the world as well, including EU and UN (not really a gov't, I know).
A lot of people I've talked to in Italy, Poland and the UK perceive the EU as a French and German attempt to dominate the continent for no other reason then to compete with the United States.
Same here, except the people I've talked to are in the UK and Bulgaria (who is joining the EU soon). They are also pissed that there is no direct representation of the people in the EU, that the reps are appointed by the respective governments. Most people don't like the US or the EU.
Anyway - back on track - since most of the root DNS servers aren't even in the US anymore, this whole article is moot, and could almost be considered flamebait.
Even that's not really a problem and it already happens (kind-of):
http://www.foo.co.uk/
http://www.foo.us/
http://foo.ca/wp/ (foo.cn doesn't seem to be responding.
No big deal there.
--
"I want peace on earth and good will toward men", "We are the United States Government. We don't do that sort of thing"
Sir, your sig contradicts your post.
Our government may be right once in a while, but I tend to agree that the US government (for a long time, before Bush even) has been consistently arrogant, uncommunicative, and uncooperative with it's citizens and the rest of the world. This issue only highlights that. Nothing more, nothing less.
I know that there's a difference between unreasonable search and siezure and unreasonable punishment, but I think that the RIAA may be hoping that he will side with them if such a case were ever brought before the supreme court.
I definitely agree with you that the civility if the RIAA's actions is debatable. IMHO, the RIAA and MPAA are nothing more than a bunch of thugs extorting money from people who cannot afford to defend themselves.
I have this theory that greed is a subset of stupidity, so this is really not such a surprise to me.
The RIAA has gone after young/pre teens before, too. They received a lot of bad PR for that, but it was a couple years ago. In the linked /. article, I noticed that the kid's mother was also a single parent. Interesting pattern....
I guess they think that people have forgotten their previous PR disaster. Hey RIAA... want some more rope?
In the US, there is this thing in the legal system which says that a person is innocent until proven guilty. This means that the burden of proof is on the prosecution (or claimant), not the defense. Therefore, it is up to the prosecution/claimant to prove that the downloaders would have paid for the music, not the other way around.
That being said, I normally do not use p2p to get music; I prefer to rip it from my own cds.