Your 100 PC example is just what I've done. New company, never used Novell in my life before for anything. Now it's ALL novell running on Linux / OES, ZenWorks for PC management, Groupwise for email, OES for file, print, eDirectory, and kerberos everywhere.
OES rocks the socks of every other Linux enterprise distro. NDS not around ? Are you smoking the crackpipe ? It's now called eDirectory and is at the core of every service.
As a Linux old hand, I really appreciate the reliablity, simplicity and great services Novell have brought to the table, running on Linux.
They understand 'integration', single sign on, security and that everything should work well together (linux, Apple and Windows). And it does...
File and print ?? iPrint and NCP ported from netware running on OES rocks. I mean rocks. The stuff you get in OES is astounding.. all the Linux goodies plus loads of novell stuff : eDirectory, iFolder, Novell Clustering, iPrint, and good integration with M$. Like it or hate it, that IS necessary in corporate IT.
I've bet the ship on Novell, plumping for their Open Workgroup Suite (Great VFM, includes Groupwise, ZenWorks, OES and a load more) and I'm not looking back...
Their support rocks, their products generally rock stable, and a hell of a user community.
Screw Redhat, VmWare, et al, Novell are the ones to watch, they've got it ALL sorted, and their Linux integration is TIGHT.
And finally a plug for SLED10... what a Linux desktop ! Amazing. Everything needed in corporate world for desktop user without the heartache of configuring the shit out of it for weeks to get something close.
SLES 10... makes redhat 5 look like a donkey. In much the same way as SLES9.3 made RHEL4 look like a relic. Configuring sendmail by hand ? Give me a break. Yast rocks the shit out of every other Linux admin tool.
So before spouting about netware is dead, consider what netware was.. a NOS (network operating system) nothing more. A basic OS akin to DOS. That you ran services on top of.
All those wonderful services have now moved to Linux in a coherent, integerated, amazing way.
And this is coming from someone with lots of experience in build IT infrastructure. Tried the Apple OS/X server route... incomplete, unstable and shit. Ease of use yes. Reliabilty shit.
All you OSS mouthpieces who chastise them should be very FUCKING grateful for what they did to SCO.
I've been in QA for a number of companies and have found one consistent problem... re-invention of the wheel... I attribute this to two things
1) Commercial tools are over complicated and not very good 2) There's no tool that exists to do X Y Z 3) Our software can't be automatically tested ! 4) A lot of time is taken up with reporting !
1).. Totally agree... have you ever seen Test Director ? It's a nightmare to use, takes ages to import testcases, and it's automation interface sucks... plus it costs a FORTUNE. Consequently people end up storing testcases in excel sheets, word docs or spreadsheets...
2) In some cases thats true, but in most its not.. I've seen companies write there own test environments that address problems that have been addressed (often much better) millions of times before... I'm talking automating starting / stop processes and test scripts, reporting, logging, seeding with test data etc... ALL COMMON problems... The answer to this is SIMPLE Take a look at STAF (Software Test Automation Framework) by IBM. It's free and GPL. It gives a common framework for witing tests scripts and applications in java/perl/python/c and a few other languages. It consists of a STAF process running and a set of APIs and a command line interface. Services exist to start / stop processes on remote boxes, transfer files, global variables, semaphores, logging.... in fact EVERYTHING you would want to do in automation. Take a look at http://staf.sourceforge.net/ This tool saves many man-months of coding in a test environment and gives a consistent way of doing things. No more tester X has this cool script, tester Y has this, dept Z does this.... If you are a tester you need to look at this !
3) This argument normally doesn't hold water anymore... most things can be automatically tested. The question is IS IT PRACTICAL ? If you are only going to test a product once (think end customer doing acceptance testing on your product) then often it's not. However if you are a software house, then there is no excuse for not doing automated testing, especially when you've got access to source code. You can also buy lots of expensive analysers and script generators for stimulating systems under test.
4) Reporting... yes management wants to know how you are getting on.... A lot of companies do this by email... Each QA person has to send an email every day detailing what they've tested, problems they've had, progress etc . etc. This is UNNECESSARY. This is the perfect excuse for automation. An analysts' time should not be taken up with this crap. They should enter this info into a centralised test management system and management should be able to query and manage the test cycle using this tool. Again Test Director tries to do this, but it's TOO complicated.
Now for the shameless Plug....
I have writen a GPL testcase management system called Testmaster which does most of the above and integrates with STAF, allowing test scripts access to the testcase database via STAF. It provides web front end which holds all testcases and proceedures for multiple projects and departments, imports testcases from word docs, CSV files or directly into the DB and is the primary interface for everyone involved in the QA process. So now you have your testscripts running, automatically marking tests as passed/failed etc, automated emails going off to management on progress, a web based system for testers and managers to use and the ability with STAF to stop/start/pause testing at the click of a button on multiple remote systems. It's easy to use, free, under the GPL, eerything is held in a database and runs on almost any Unix system...
If I wanted news on current affairs, I'd go to a news site. Slashdot should stay out of politics and not post stories related to it.
What has this got to do with technology ?
Has CmdTaco got a hidden agenda ? Almost like he is relishing in the US blowing the sh1t out of another country. Don't see any stories about the protests or other side of the story : eg In the Yemeni capital Sanaa, an 11-year-old boy and a policeman were shot dead in a clash between police and anti-war protesters, security sources said.
At least 10 people, including three policemen, were hurt in the shootout that flared after police blocked about 3,000 protesters from marching on the U.S. embassy in the Arab state.
Stop posting this non technology related political BULLSHIT on slashdot and stop doing it from such a onesided viewpoint.
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This really pisses me off. This is a typical example of take it for free, give nothing back.
SuSE have put a lot of work into their distros and deserve to be paid for them. Once you buy it, you can update it for free.
Why should they give away all their hardwork for free.
Yeah yeah, debian do it, but they aren't paying people and don't have bills to cover.
Stop whinging about getting it for free. SuSE costs money and if you don't like it don't buy it.
I usually *purchase* one version in each major series of SuSE, not because I need to, but because I think a) it is worth it b) to support the company
On the distro wars, f*ck it use which ever bl00dy distro you want and stop bitching about others.
Free choice doesn't mean you have to slag off the competion.
I think SuSE rocks and is the best distro by a long way for professional users.... if you want to use redhat or pinkcoat that's your choice....
All the big Ux manufacturers will still ship there own operating systems.
Why ? Because they control it. They can guarantee that they can fix the bugs. If a P1 fault happens to one of their enterprise customers, they can find and isolate the relevant group to fix it. No compatability problems. No worrying about conflicts of software or hardware. It's all been tested together and they know it inside out.
The attitude you mention isn't correct. You say 'I freely choose to make no money from my software work, therefore everyone else must be denied the right to make money from software". '
Hmmm the attitude is, I don't make money on my software, and you shouldn't make money on *my* software.
make as much as you want from your own software, just don't use any of mine to do it.
And no it's not Northern Ireland but what difference does it make ? Do you think terrorist organisations colude via the internet or phone ? Don't think so, down the local apache-land bar for that...
So Asshole, If you are so valuable when you are a graduate, how come people like him & me are earning legions more than you or other graduates ? When you are a graduate you are dumb. You must spend time learning the companies products. The companies programming methods. Protocols they use. User interface. Customers etc. etc. etc. Only after a year in the job are you *reasonably* productive.
If you are so bloody valuable out of college then why aren't you paid so well ? Why do companies hire os many of us consultants ? BECAUSE we know the pitfalls. We have the experience. In any company I've worked for they don't let graduate piss on the good stuff. The reason graduates are recruited so heavily is because THERE IS A skill shortage, worldwide. Skill shortage of GOOD people.
Most graduate don't have real world experience, designing critical systems, handling customers, working to project schedules (and no, your thesis doesn't count).
And as for this argument of people in software being redundant when they are 30 -odd, bullshit. They will only be redundant when they don't keep up. When they sit in their cube for the 80 hr week mentioned, and be a company slave, not learning new stuff. Not getting REAL experience. The good ones either consult, or ride high into management. A few who don't know any better, or are just happy stay at the same level. But they are always learning, and the experienced ones are the ones that management listens to.
Maybe you ain't been listening. What if the government passed a law that you couldn't log onto the net without some form of id ? Again unlikely but could happen. They need some way to trace people what with all that is going on at the minute.
The other point is cyber cafes and shit, but none offer the ability to transfer MP3s as readily as a home account(unless you bring your own cd full).
The real worry is people who have 24x7 hi speed net access, and this is only available normally by being registered someway. If universities logged who was logged onto what facilities at certain times, then another step in loosing privacy.
:-). I agree. The only hope we have is that when this happens there is a huge revolution.
But hopefully there will always be a way round it for those persistant enough to find it.
Who knows. I am just really glad to see the government lagging behind. It would be cool to see ordinary john does suing each other to try and grind the legal system to a halt
But if you are deperate enough to lug your laptop to a payphone with your acoustic coupler, on you go. Don't think you'll get enough bandwidth to distribute MP3 though. Government wouldn't be worried by people like u unless you do something real bad. But how many MP3 pirates are gonna lug their laptop to a phone ? My point is that one small step like more detailed logging would be enough to deter a lot of people.
On the flip side, though an argument to my point would be that is everyone did it (as is the case with MP3), then the government can't possibly arrest everyone.
This is where it would get interesting How many true martyers are there out there prepared to go to jail for an MP3 ?
If we raise the bar a little above petty copyright, and get to the privacy point, then that interests me a lot. My question is what do we do if the governments put the squeeze on ISPs ?
A solution to this (although I'm not sure how good it would be) would be to use anonymous proxies offshore, that the feds couldn't touch. That way, they can only see you using the proxy server, and stuff coming back from it. Sure they could analyse the IP packets, but is it really worth that effort ? Even if they do that you could use IPsec between you and the proxy (if it has the ipsec driver).
Would this work ??
Your point on the government relying on experts like you is almost valid, except a lot of them would sell there grannies. Look at that crowd that traced the napster users.
So my question is how do we really ensure our privacy in this online world (apart from using out neighbours phone:-) ) ???
Not a very good one then ? free ISPs : caller display doesn't happen then ? It would not be hard to log the phone number of the caller in the dial up server log. Have you even seen any of the common dial in modem racks (3 com/ USR being a good example). If a law was passed to make logging of dial-ins then a few people would be caught out. Just give the ISP the date, time & ip address, they give you the phone number. Quick call to the telco, and there you go.
My point was this may not be the case today, but it would be very easy to make it the case. As for payphones... who surfs through a payphone ? As for your crudentials a security consultant, I work in the telecoms industry as an SS7 specialist, and as practically all telephony runs over ss7 at one point or another, I know a fair bit. In the ISUP part (ISDN user part) of a message you have the calling party address. Not to hard to log this.
As for analogue telephony, it is switched by SS7, so the network still knows where the call originated.
Lesson : if they want to find you bad enough they will.
Good point So we turn to freenet. The government see this. Then what ? They ask the isps to run special monitoring software to sniff out these nodes and shut them down. (maybe a bit extreme, but never underestimate the government). Other point is how many people have 24x7 net access that allows you to run servers like this without much additional cost. Sure 24x7 is common now, but often the ISP will run a port scanner to check you are not running a server or something
I dunno, I don't believe the government(s) can stop the net, but they certainley can control it.
Rebellion , yeah way to go, I'm all behind it.I'll be going home tonight to stick freenet on my box at home, cos I just got a cable modem! You are right, when something is killed something better comes along and we have a continuing battle of good vs evil.
Personally I think it comes down to society and what the people want. Maybe in 30 years, a geek will run for president in the US and be elected. That would be cool.
But I just think that some people live in a make believe internet world, and ignore the REAL world.
So, do you think the government will just sit back and let it all happen ? Give up their futile fight ?
I don't think so. This stuff will go too far and eventually the internet will be regulated. How do you regulate the internet you ask ? What is happening already. Make ISPs responsible for their users. When a few people have been sued for doing what the government consider illegal things on the net, other people will think twice. This bop the mole is bullshit. A lot of people will not be willing to take the risk.
You can argue that the more people who stand up to them the less chance they have. Bullshit. You can live in your little cyber world all you want, but when the feds come busting through your door in the real world, you will soon know reality. And when some guy name bubba wants you for his personal love toy, what then ? Don't think that you can do what you want on the net. You can't break the law and get away with it. Even if the law is wrong.
While there have been some cool new technologies like mp3, violating copyright is against the law. And it looks like people will be made to pay. While I agree that the mymp3.com and DeCSS are a fiasco, and I don't think they violate any laws in any way, the metallica issue is different. It is copyright theft on a mass scale
Just wait until the government catches up with technology and excersises its iron grip. The internet makes you easier to trace, you leave an electronic pattern whatever you do. Anonyomity... bullshit. Slap a court order on the owners of the server who gave you your anonymous email address / dynamic ip and bingo. Server logs are pulled, who was dialled in then, who got that ip allocated.... etc etc.
Live in the real world people. Not this fantasy that the internet will change governments etc....
I don't believe it will become popular on Linux. Because a) linux people don't use MS software, because they are into anything but MS, and b)I don't believe linux will ever make it as a desktop OS. Server OS yes, replace NT in that market, yes. But not on a CORPORATE desktop. Thats were the common apps are.
Home users will use linux, and most of them use it cause they don't like MS (most being those damn script kiddies who wanna be different) and some because they will use it for something productive (as I do - a server for print, file, message sending and internet for my family), so they will therefore use anti-MS packages with Linux, and in many cases discover they are better. Then we have the issue of compability at file level. If all of MS competition got together and agreed on a common file format, this would help take on MS a little bit, as it would break the compatability barrier. Give people choice. Until we have that, MS will rule on corporate desktops. But NOT linux, cause no-one will want it (office that is!).
Will you folks please get over this MSoffice business.
There are other suites out there that are far better than office, office is just more popular. Just because the company splits up, will NOT mean that another will start developing apps for other OSes.
Because the have a seperate office division, it will not make it less popular and give competition any more chance than now.
Competition stands a better chance on different OS, look at how corel embraced linux with a GOOD product. People will then see Office is not the Be all and end all, but a pile of bloatware. Saying that Outlook rocks, and if that came out for linux, I would be very happy.
Were, apple, lotus, wordperfect and all the forgotten giants of the industry before MS launched windows. But then ms came from nowhere and inialated them. No one had to use windows. It was the best and most available at the time. Nothing came up to challenge it sufficently. Okay OS2, MAC OS, but MS always came back ?
All the kiddies on this site seem to forget this. Remember the apple2 ? Remember the BBC micro, hell even the ZX spectrum where a lot of computing gurus grew up.
But if apple had dominated, we would be in a much worse position now, what with it's proprietary hardware and software etc...
No linux then my friends !
Equally if IBM had pursued the copyig of it's BIOS by other companies (notably compaq who reverse engineered it) then again we would have another unfriendly giant to content with.
Never forget what microsoft has done for the industry, but the fact remains they got WELL out of control.
They should be broken up, into different division and FORCED to release their APIs to the OS, and also make sure that the other baby bills did not get early access to them.
Consider this also, if everyone was using different apps, operating systems etc. how would they all transfer files without being messy ? Yes HTML, PDFs etc... Another law should be passed to provide a common file format for all applications (one for word apps, another for spreadsheets...etc..). This would solve a lot of compatability issues.
I really don't like MS, and use linux a lot at home because it I can do more easily, but it has to be said, MS did certainy help make PCs avaiable to the masses.
Just think for a minute what would have happened if the corporate giants at the time would have had there way. Aso think Bill was once a geek, but he really MADE it and fair play to him.
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It sounds like you know nothing too.
I work with this stuff a lot, especially vechile tracking.
we do it with SMS, we have a gps unit installed in the vechile, connected to a cellphone based device, which sends a SMS every 2 minutes to a central location.
As for tunnels and stuff, this would be subject to the same limitations as normal cellphone operation.
Best idea is the one sugested to disable the device if tampered with. Eg, if the case is opened or X amount of wrong passwords, harddrive gets wiped (properly!) or in someway disabled.
BETTER SOLUTION... Do not allow sensitive data on laptops, keep it all on a network inside the organisation, with NOTHING being allowed to be removed on any medium.
This is what currently happens with a well known mobile phone operator in germany. Even the floppy drive is disabled in their laptops.
In a connected world, especially with technology such as IPsec, there is no reason why data should ever have to leave a secure server. Alan
Slashdot Mirror
Is all I can say.
For creating /.
For making it great
For keeping it great
For giving me so much information without the bullshit.
Thanks so much, from a guy you've never met and never will meet.
You sir are an idiot.
The airbus is fly-by-wire, not mechanical controls.
People like you need to shut and stop hypothesising with bullshit.
Man, you are so uninformed it's sickening.
Your 100 PC example is just what I've done. New company, never used Novell in my life before for anything.
Now it's ALL novell running on Linux / OES, ZenWorks for PC management, Groupwise for email, OES for file, print, eDirectory, and kerberos everywhere.
OES rocks the socks of every other Linux enterprise distro.
NDS not around ? Are you smoking the crackpipe ? It's now called eDirectory and is at the core of every service.
As a Linux old hand, I really appreciate the reliablity, simplicity and great services Novell have brought to the table, running on Linux.
They understand 'integration', single sign on, security and that everything should work well together (linux, Apple and Windows). And it does...
File and print ?? iPrint and NCP ported from netware running on OES rocks. I mean rocks.
The stuff you get in OES is astounding.. all the Linux goodies plus loads of novell stuff :
eDirectory, iFolder, Novell Clustering, iPrint, and good integration with M$. Like it or hate it, that IS necessary in corporate IT.
I've bet the ship on Novell, plumping for their Open Workgroup Suite (Great VFM, includes Groupwise, ZenWorks, OES and a load more) and I'm not looking back...
Their support rocks, their products generally rock stable, and a hell of a user community.
Screw Redhat, VmWare, et al, Novell are the ones to watch, they've got it ALL sorted, and their Linux integration is TIGHT.
And finally a plug for SLED10... what a Linux desktop ! Amazing. Everything needed in corporate world for desktop user without the heartache of configuring the shit out of it for weeks to get something close.
SLES 10... makes redhat 5 look like a donkey. In much the same way as SLES9.3 made RHEL4 look like a relic. Configuring sendmail by hand ? Give me a break. Yast rocks the shit out of every other Linux admin tool.
So before spouting about netware is dead, consider what netware was.. a NOS (network operating system) nothing more. A basic OS akin to DOS. That you ran services on top of.
All those wonderful services have now moved to Linux in a coherent, integerated, amazing way.
And this is coming from someone with lots of experience in build IT infrastructure. Tried the Apple OS/X server route... incomplete, unstable and shit. Ease of use yes. Reliabilty shit.
All you OSS mouthpieces who chastise them should be very FUCKING grateful for what they did to SCO.
Long live novell.
Try antiword, it's got a real decent HTML option.
I've been in QA for a number of companies and have found one consistent problem... re-invention of the wheel...
I attribute this to two things
1) Commercial tools are over complicated and not very good
2) There's no tool that exists to do X Y Z
3) Our software can't be automatically tested !
4) A lot of time is taken up with reporting !
1).. Totally agree... have you ever seen Test Director ? It's a nightmare to use, takes ages to import testcases, and it's automation interface sucks... plus it costs a FORTUNE.
Consequently people end up storing testcases in excel sheets, word docs or spreadsheets...
2) In some cases thats true, but in most its not.. I've seen companies write there own test environments that address problems that have been addressed (often much better) millions of times before... I'm talking automating starting / stop processes and test scripts, reporting, logging, seeding with test data etc... ALL COMMON problems...
The answer to this is SIMPLE
Take a look at STAF (Software Test Automation Framework) by IBM. It's free and GPL. It gives a common framework for witing tests scripts and applications in java/perl/python/c and a few other languages. It consists of a STAF process running and a set of APIs and a command line interface. Services exist to start / stop processes on remote boxes, transfer files, global variables, semaphores, logging.... in fact EVERYTHING you would want to do in automation.
Take a look at
http://staf.sourceforge.net/
This tool saves many man-months of coding in a test environment and gives a consistent way of doing things. No more tester X has this cool script, tester Y has this, dept Z does this....
If you are a tester you need to look at this !
3) This argument normally doesn't hold water anymore... most things can be automatically tested. The question is IS IT PRACTICAL ? If you are only going to test a product once (think end customer doing acceptance testing on your product) then often it's not.
However if you are a software house, then there is no excuse for not doing automated testing, especially when you've got access to source code. You can also buy lots of expensive analysers and script generators for stimulating systems under test.
4) Reporting... yes management wants to know how you are getting on.... A lot of companies do this by email... Each QA person has to send an email every day detailing what they've tested, problems they've had, progress etc . etc.
This is UNNECESSARY. This is the perfect excuse for automation.
An analysts' time should not be taken up with this crap. They should enter this info into a centralised test management system and management should be able to query and manage the test cycle using this tool. Again Test Director tries to do this, but it's TOO complicated.
Now for the shameless Plug....
I have writen a GPL testcase management system called Testmaster which does most of the above and integrates with STAF, allowing test scripts access to the testcase database via STAF.
It provides web front end which holds all testcases and proceedures for multiple projects and departments, imports testcases from word docs, CSV files or directly into the DB and is the primary interface for everyone involved in the QA process.
So now you have your testscripts running, automatically marking tests as passed/failed etc, automated emails going off to management on progress, a web based system for testers and managers to use and the ability with STAF to stop/start/pause testing at the click of a button on multiple remote systems.
It's easy to use, free, under the GPL, eerything is held in a database and runs on almost any Unix system...
Take a look at
http://testmaster.sourceforge.net/
and see if it will make your job easier.
End shameless plug
If I wanted news on current affairs, I'd go to a news site.
Slashdot should stay out of politics and not post stories related to it.
What has this got to do with technology ?
Has CmdTaco got a hidden agenda ?
Almost like he is relishing in the US blowing the sh1t out of another country.
Don't see any stories about the protests or other side of the story : eg
In the Yemeni capital Sanaa, an 11-year-old boy and a policeman were shot dead in a clash between police and anti-war protesters, security sources said.
At least 10 people, including three policemen, were hurt in the shootout that flared after police blocked about 3,000 protesters from marching on the U.S. embassy in the Arab state.
Stop posting this non technology related political BULLSHIT on slashdot and stop doing it from such a onesided viewpoint.
This really pisses me off.
This is a typical example of take it for free, give nothing back.
SuSE have put a lot of work into their distros and deserve to be paid for them.
Once you buy it, you can update it for free.
Why should they give away all their hardwork for free.
Yeah yeah, debian do it, but they aren't paying people and don't have bills to cover.
Stop whinging about getting it for free.
SuSE costs money and if you don't like it don't buy it.
I usually *purchase* one version in each major series of SuSE, not because I need to, but because I think
a) it is worth it
b) to support the company
On the distro wars, f*ck it use which ever bl00dy distro you want and stop bitching about others.
Free choice doesn't mean you have to slag off the competion.
I think SuSE rocks and is the best distro by a long way for professional users.... if you want to use redhat or pinkcoat that's your choice....
Couldn't help but laugh at this .. linux was invented in Europe , and hugely popular there before it hit the US !!!
Have to disagree a little :
All the big Ux manufacturers will still ship there own operating systems.
Why ? Because they control it. They can guarantee that they can fix the bugs. If a P1 fault happens to one of their enterprise customers, they can find and isolate the relevant group to fix it. No compatability problems. No worrying about conflicts of software or hardware. It's all been tested together and they know it inside out.
The attitude you mention isn't correct. You say 'I freely choose to make no money from my software work, therefore everyone else must be denied the right to make money from software". '
Hmmm the attitude is, I don't make money on my software, and you shouldn't make money on *my* software.
make as much as you want from your own software, just don't use any of mine to do it.
It's a fair and reasonable expectation.
The poster was pointing out that if they were monitoring Northern Irish traffic, then they would actually be monitoring UK traffic.
;-)
Now that is getting political ! Is it Uk traffic, irish traffic or northern irish traffic ?
And what do you think the RIP act does ??
It's being going for 2 years in the UK !
And no it's not Northern Ireland but what difference does it make ? Do you think terrorist organisations colude via the internet or phone ?
Don't think so, down the local apache-land bar for that...
If you are so valuable when you are a graduate, how come people like him & me are earning legions more than you or other graduates ? When you are a graduate you are dumb. You must spend time learning the companies products. The companies programming methods. Protocols they use. User interface. Customers etc. etc. etc. Only after a year in the job are you *reasonably* productive.
If you are so bloody valuable out of college then why aren't you paid so well ? Why do companies hire os many of us consultants ? BECAUSE we know the pitfalls. We have the experience. In any company I've worked for they don't let graduate piss on the good stuff. The reason graduates are recruited so heavily is because THERE IS A skill shortage, worldwide. Skill shortage of GOOD people.
Most graduate don't have real world experience, designing critical systems, handling customers, working to project schedules (and no, your thesis doesn't count).
And as for this argument of people in software being redundant when they are 30 -odd, bullshit. They will only be redundant when they don't keep up. When they sit in their cube for the 80 hr week mentioned, and be a company slave, not learning new stuff. Not getting REAL experience. The good ones either consult, or ride high into management. A few who don't know any better, or are just happy stay at the same level. But they are always learning, and the experienced ones are the ones that management listens to.
So you think before you speak fuckwit.
What if the government passed a law that you couldn't log onto the net without some form of id ?
Again unlikely but could happen. They need some way to trace people what with all that is going on at the minute.
The other point is cyber cafes and shit, but none offer the ability to transfer MP3s as readily as a home account(unless you bring your own cd full).
The real worry is people who have 24x7 hi speed net access, and this is only available normally by being registered someway. If universities logged who was logged onto what facilities at certain times, then another step in loosing privacy.
The only hope we have is that when this happens there is a huge revolution.
But hopefully there will always be a way round it for those persistant enough to find it.
Who knows. I am just really glad to see the government lagging behind.
It would be cool to see ordinary john does suing each other to try and grind the legal system to a halt
Anyhow, must go and do some work now.....
Okay so you know your shit.
But if you are deperate enough to lug your laptop to a payphone with your acoustic coupler, on you go. Don't think you'll get enough bandwidth to distribute MP3 though.
Government wouldn't be worried by people like u unless you do something real bad.
But how many MP3 pirates are gonna lug their laptop to a phone ?
My point is that one small step like more detailed logging would be enough to deter a lot of people.
On the flip side, though an argument to my point would be that is everyone did it (as is the case with MP3), then the government can't possibly arrest everyone.
This is where it would get interesting
How many true martyers are there out there prepared to go to jail for an MP3 ?
If we raise the bar a little above petty copyright, and get to the privacy point, then that interests me a lot.
My question is what do we do if the governments put the squeeze on ISPs ?
A solution to this (although I'm not sure how good it would be) would be to use anonymous proxies offshore, that the feds couldn't touch. That way, they can only see you using the proxy server, and stuff coming back from it.
Sure they could analyse the IP packets, but is it really worth that effort ?
Even if they do that you could use IPsec between you and the proxy (if it has the ipsec driver).
Would this work ??
Your point on the government relying on experts like you is almost valid, except a lot of them would sell there grannies. Look at that crowd that traced the napster users.
So my question is how do we really ensure our privacy in this online world (apart from using out neighbours phone :-) ) ???
free ISPs : caller display doesn't happen then ?
It would not be hard to log the phone number of the caller in the dial up server log. Have you even seen any of the common dial in modem racks (3 com/ USR being a good example).
If a law was passed to make logging of dial-ins then a few people would be caught out.
Just give the ISP the date, time & ip address, they give you the phone number. Quick call to the telco, and there you go.
My point was this may not be the case today, but it would be very easy to make it the case.
As for payphones... who surfs through a payphone ?
As for your crudentials a security consultant, I work in the telecoms industry as an SS7 specialist, and as practically all telephony runs over ss7 at one point or another, I know a fair bit. In the ISUP part (ISDN user part) of a message you have the calling party address. Not to hard to log this.
As for analogue telephony, it is switched by SS7, so the network still knows where the call originated.
Lesson : if they want to find you bad enough they will.
So we turn to freenet. The government see this. Then what ? They ask the isps to run special monitoring software to sniff out these nodes and shut them down. (maybe a bit extreme, but never underestimate the government).
Other point is how many people have 24x7 net access that allows you to run servers like this without much additional cost. Sure 24x7 is common now, but often the ISP will run a port scanner to check you are not running a server or something
I dunno, I don't believe the government(s) can stop the net, but they certainley can control it.
Rebellion , yeah way to go, I'm all behind it.I'll be going home tonight to stick freenet on my box at home, cos I just got a cable modem!
You are right, when something is killed something better comes along and we have a continuing battle of good vs evil.
Personally I think it comes down to society and what the people want. Maybe in 30 years, a geek will run for president in the US and be elected.
That would be cool.
But I just think that some people live in a make believe internet world, and ignore the REAL world.
I don't think so. This stuff will go too far and eventually the internet will be regulated.
How do you regulate the internet you ask ?
What is happening already. Make ISPs responsible for their users. When a few people have been sued for doing what the government consider illegal things on the net, other people will think twice. This bop the mole is bullshit. A lot of people will not be willing to take the risk.
You can argue that the more people who stand up to them the less chance they have. Bullshit. You can live in your little cyber world all you want, but when the feds come busting through your door in the real world, you will soon know reality.
And when some guy name bubba wants you for his personal love toy, what then ?
Don't think that you can do what you want on the net. You can't break the law and get away with it. Even if the law is wrong.
While there have been some cool new technologies like mp3, violating copyright is against the law. And it looks like people will be made to pay. While I agree that the mymp3.com and DeCSS are a fiasco, and I don't think they violate any laws in any way, the metallica issue is different. It is copyright theft on a mass scale
Just wait until the government catches up with technology and excersises its iron grip. The internet makes you easier to trace, you leave an electronic pattern whatever you do. Anonyomity... bullshit. Slap a court order on the owners of the server who gave you your anonymous email address / dynamic ip and bingo. Server logs are pulled, who was dialled in then, who got that ip allocated.... etc etc.
Live in the real world people. Not this fantasy that the internet will change governments etc....
Because
a) linux people don't use MS software, because they are into anything but MS, and
b)I don't believe linux will ever make it as a desktop OS.
Server OS yes, replace NT in that market, yes. But not on a CORPORATE desktop. Thats were the common apps are.
Home users will use linux, and most of them use it cause they don't like MS (most being those damn script kiddies who wanna be different) and some because they will use it for something productive (as I do - a server for print, file, message sending and internet for my family), so they will therefore use anti-MS packages with Linux, and in many cases discover they are better.
Then we have the issue of compability at file level.
If all of MS competition got together and agreed on a common file format, this would help take on MS a little bit, as it would break the compatability barrier. Give people choice.
Until we have that, MS will rule on corporate desktops. But NOT linux, cause no-one will want it (office that is!).
There are other suites out there that are far better than office, office is just more popular. Just because the company splits up, will NOT mean that another will start developing apps for other OSes.
Because the have a seperate office division, it will not make it less popular and give competition any more chance than now.
Competition stands a better chance on different OS, look at how corel embraced linux with a GOOD product.
People will then see Office is not the Be all and end all, but a pile of bloatware. Saying that Outlook rocks, and if that came out for linux, I would be very happy.
But then ms came from nowhere and inialated them. No one had to use windows. It was the best and most available at the time.
Nothing came up to challenge it sufficently. Okay OS2, MAC OS, but MS always came back ?
All the kiddies on this site seem to forget this. Remember the apple2 ? Remember the BBC micro, hell even the ZX spectrum where a lot of computing gurus grew up.
But if apple had dominated, we would be in a much worse position now, what with it's proprietary hardware and software etc...
No linux then my friends !
Equally if IBM had pursued the copyig of it's BIOS by other companies (notably compaq who reverse engineered it) then again we would have another unfriendly giant to content with.
Never forget what microsoft has done for the industry, but the fact remains they got WELL out of control.
They should be broken up, into different division and FORCED to release their APIs to the OS, and also make sure that the other baby bills did not get early access to them.
Consider this also, if everyone was using different apps, operating systems etc. how would they all transfer files without being messy ? Yes HTML, PDFs etc...
Another law should be passed to provide a common file format for all applications (one for word apps, another for spreadsheets...etc..). This would solve a lot of compatability issues.
I really don't like MS, and use linux a lot at home because it I can do more easily, but it has to be said, MS did certainy help make PCs avaiable to the masses.
Just think for a minute what would have happened if the corporate giants at the time would have had there way.
Aso think Bill was once a geek, but he really MADE it and fair play to him.
I work with this stuff a lot, especially vechile tracking.
we do it with SMS, we have a gps unit installed in the vechile, connected to a cellphone based device, which sends a SMS every 2 minutes to a central location.
As for tunnels and stuff, this would be subject to the same limitations as normal cellphone operation.
Best idea is the one sugested to disable the device if tampered with. Eg, if the case is opened or X amount of wrong passwords, harddrive gets wiped (properly!) or in someway disabled.
BETTER SOLUTION... Do not allow sensitive data on laptops, keep it all on a network inside the organisation, with NOTHING being allowed to be removed on any medium.
This is what currently happens with a well known mobile phone operator in germany. Even the floppy drive is disabled in their laptops.
In a connected world, especially with technology such as IPsec, there is no reason why data should ever have to leave a secure server. Alan
When is it planned for release?
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