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Free Red Hat 6.0 CDs
Anthony Fuentes writes "You can pre-order the GPL Redhat 6.0 CD at LSL for $0.00. "
This looks legit- shipping looks like about $8 for UPS, but
it does appear to be a free CD, so if you aren't blessed with
a T1, check this out.
I think it's *FABULOUS* that someone will ship me a pre-distribution Red Hat 6.0 CD for *ONLY* $8. I spent three days downloading, ISO-9660'ing, and burning a copy of RH60. If I had know I could have given someone $8 to save me that hassle, I would have been the first to sign up!!!
I was wondering if there was any difference and I see you get WP 8 for Linux with the LSL version. Possibly makes it a better deal than Cheapbytes.
USPS Priority Mail is about $3, and it gets there tomorrow just the same.
Also, be sure to check LinuxCentral. Their turn around time is quite good
I've got the Caldera 2.2 installed, finally. There were a few newbie-unfriendly glitches. I hope they start distributing 2.2b shortly.
KOrganizer is really nice. Whoever designed this came up with something we all can use at work. It's a very pleasant interface. My computer illiterate boss might even like it.
I'll be looking to compare it to the Gnome on RedHat. (Don't flame, I generally use RH anyway. It's just that I like to see the competition.)
One of the things that I really like about linux-mandrake is that they have a .iso cd-image that I can ftp and burn.
I haven't found one of RH 6.0 yet (or any redhat for that matter), but is someone willing to do this to on of these GPL CD's? That is, make an image file and put it up for ftp somewhere?
Thanks:-)
-Chris
cweyl@ireallydontlikespam.drew.edu
...is there an .iso image file for the Alpha version (as opposed to x86) anywhere?
Or just download the bootable ISO images that are floating around. Granted, it will take around 10 hours at 14.5K/sec on my ISDN but I'll just do it overnight. Rip out xcdroast and burn the image and install it the next day. No hassle. Course, I could just take my laptop to work and copy it to that via ethernet too. ;-)
$80 is a SMALL price to pay when you realize all the advanced features that are in this release of the new RedHat operating system! Things like SMP, RedHat 2.2 kernel, GNOME *1.0*, kde 1.1, APACHE... the world's best web server! Where else can you find all these features packed into one OS? ONLY with Red Hat! Other free Unixes like GNU/Linux can only HOPE to match these amazing features that Red Hat has to offer.
Sounds like a damn infomercial. Although the price isn't $19.95.
If you're serious . . . .
hahahahahahahahaha!!!
Everyone is acting like its some major upgrade.. like Windows95 to Windows98 or some MS service pack. Its funny watching people with RH 5.2 upgrading to 6.0 because they think they will be getting a ton of new features. Such MS brainwashed people..
Using the Flat Rate Box, you can get 2-3 day delivery for $3.20. Need Insurance? Add 1.80 for $51 insured. That's $5, you get it in 2-3 days, now they have tracking (for another buck, I think). I ship video games (Super Nintendo, Sega Saturn, PSX, you name it) on a regular basis and unless I was using COD, I've NEVER had a significant problem with USPS. COD (even Priority), takes freaking forever.
Not only that, but they deliver on Saturdays, and a CD or flat rate box will fit in the mail box, plus you're protected by LAW against mail removal. Sure, it doesn't stop most thieves, but you DO get the assurance that if they catch the bastards, they'll be prosecuted. I think people that tamper with the mail get more time than murderers. Figures.
I honestly don't know why people insist on using crappy UPS for small crap like a CD, or even small books (I recieved my "The Story of Ping" from amazon.com via Priority Mail, so it's getting better).
I work for FedEx, so don't accuse me of being biased. Even with my employee discount, I don't get insurance for my parcel, so I stick with USPS for most things.
Yes, that's it. Waiting for May 10.
I have made a promise when I started using Linux. I will buy RHx.0 official boxes. As for other middle versions, I'd go with a GPL CD!
Newbie alert!
I was wondering what most people use to download things like RedHat 6.0 to burn their own Linux CD (i.e. without using the FTP option of the installer.)
I notice a lot of symbolic links in the distro directories, and was wondering if there's a good method to raping it all, maintaining the symbolic links, and packing it for a CD burn.
Anyone?
-Anonymous Coward
I didn't pick up the .asp on the pages until after I place the order for the CD and a sendmail book. So much for using what you sell. Makes me sick, I really wish I had noticed that beforehand.
Lucky you
The longest It has taken me so far was 4 days
to get the CDs from CheapBytes from the day
that I get the EMAIL. It is shipped from
California and I live in Northern Michigan.
As for UPS, you can't tell me that it is the best
and more reliable. I ordered a video card from a
company in Ohio and the package went thru
Massachusett to get here. It should have taken 2
days at the most but took quite a bit longer due
to the moronic choice of short cuts.
I find the postal service in the US to be
one of the best and most reliable in the world.
I know, I've use a few other ones.
"Mailordercentral.com is just handling their sales and shipping it seems."
Yeah, just the core of their business. A business based on opensource. What losers.
Actually, I think the best deal may be from www.LinuxPPC.com - if you buy r4 now, you'll get r5 free when it comes out.
Does anyone else sell LinuxPPC?
-Pete
If you check out the redhat web site you will see that all the normal slashdot news isn't on the front page. Is it because they didn't like this post? It's kind of funny to think that they might have been advertising their product for free on their own homepage.
(Newbie probably stupid question) this would include the upgrade stuff from 5.2 right?
NT
I'm new to the GNU world.
:-)
I don't code, but I make a decent salary. I have always bought software to support the coders. After all, they gotta eat too.
I'm surprised that the FSF's and KDE's of the world don't just register with Kagi http://www.kagi.com/
Kagi makes it darned easy to give people money and takes a fairly small cut. I don't mind the cut to Kagi. Kee's a mighty nice guy, and he gets hungry too
Dan
They are the same version. The only difference is that the $80 version comes with telephone support.
The core RedHat is now basically all "free" software. (notable exceptions are the old version of QT, Netscape, and xanim)
I've seen this problem with cheapbytes as well as some other distributors. You'll drill down thru the hierarchy and come to empty directories. Symlinks that go nowere,etc. Good thing they're cheap.
A CD would fit in a 2nd day Pkg. (Several, actually)
That's $3.00.
That's right, I will sell you a collection of all the major distros - redhat, debian, slackware, suse and mandrake - for free. There is a $500 shipping charge though.
There's no insurance on a cd-rom which costs them thirty cents. Obviously it's the old trick of offering something for free and having outlandish shipping and handling, nothing new here.
Do you have 3 huge dogs gurading your place like I do? I got 3.5 acers and invisable fence and my dogs can go on 99% (minus the house) of my 3.5 acers (I have the line on my neighbors property, they don't care :) ). So when the UPS/US mail/fedex/etc drive down my driveway and are met with 3 dogs a barking. they tend not to get out and knock :) At lest my mail delivery ppl beep the horn. but my dogs barking usualy alerts me if I'm home. :)
My, you're quite the trend setter when it comes to civic virtue, arn't you?
- C
There are so many cool pieces of hardware I'd love to write device drivers for, if only I had them! Unfortunately hardware is not free.
I'd rather go by USPS. UPS charges over-the-border customers (ie, me, a Canadian) absolutely outrageous brokerage fees. I beleive it is a $20 MINIMUM. Period. And all they do is tap some info into a computer that prints out a statement for the truck driver to hand to the customs guy/gal at the border... And the brokerage fee goes up as the cost of the item increases (strange, since printing "1 FREE CD" takes more space than "$1k CD"... weird! USPS charges (I've heard) $5 flat rate for brokerage fees. Better later than $20 out of pocket. And longest I've ever seen a letter from the US to Canada take to deliver was 2 weeks from the postmarked date. Not bad, considering it also had to go across the border.
Yeah, just the core of their business.
Try using whois before you assume that two domains are owned by the same person. They also use UPS for shipping, www.ups.com uses Netscape-Enterprise/3.5.1C, should we blame them for using UPS (as the core of their business, they are mailorder afterall) when UPS doesn't use opensource software?
from linuxberg.com :-)
ftp://rh:rh@128.253.27.92/redhat60bin.iso
no modem users please
bootable iso with wordperfect (downloadable version) :-)
from linuxberg.com
(579 MB) ftp://rh:rh@128.253.27.92/redhat60bin.iso
no modem users please
March PC World magazine for windows users , had redhat 5.2 on the cover!!!
Now if they can do that on a $5.95 mag , why cant the $11.95 LJ in australia do it?
hmmm
How funny, its the windows magazines that are now suppling the world with free redhat CDs.
Eat that.
Look at the order screen ; ASP PAGES GALORE!
If they really knew Linux, they would use a Linux ordering system and NOT NT.
I'm off to www.cheapbytes.com where the same CD's are cheaper.
ASP Pages?! Pah! LSL dont know Linux
USPS is the United States Parcel Service...
A couple bucks for handling hardly constitutes a "screwing". Take it from me. Mailing out tons of little packages is a chore and takes more time than you think. They are probably lucky if they make $10-15 per hour for their time. Let them make a buck. It is a far cry from the $60+ per hour a good programmer makes. (like me).
Hey why did this get downgraded one? Sure the signature takes up about as much room as the message, so that might make it seem off topic but it really wasn't, I thought it was a pretty good quip.
8 bux is good.. you can d/l it for free.. take long time but i'll pay 8 bux. that way i have a cd.
LSL *ARE* using a Windows ordering system. I wish I had noticed before ordering. But I'll call 'em tomorrow and tell 'em what I think!
LSL are scamming us and I wont do business with them.
Have you visited Linux Mall lately? One of the things they are "selling" these days is "Gifts" to Linux luminaries like Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox.
Okay, great, I'm glad to see everyone's jumping at the chance to save a few dollars on CD-ROM's. CD-ROM's are the same no matter who you buy them from. But how about giving some of that money you save to the one-of-a-kind people who made Linux possible?
Just a thought!
We now bring you back to our regularly scheduled flame war.
relax, dude. It's obviously shipping & handling. Give them a break. They are hardly microsoft ripping the public off. The company I work for charges 50-100k for a single cd (high-end ERP software) so just take a chill pill. Handling is a pain in the ass and takes more time than you think. Packaging material and stuff costs money too. You afraid they are going to retire to Hawaii on that $4 they got you for, you think?
And they ship USPS.
... ``Me too!''
Their hardware is wildly overpriced though. Compare their stuff with, say, interpro microsystems (www.interpromicro.com, I think) Unlike with LSL, you can get a PII for $260 there. Red Hat CD for $8 is a good buy though .
Don't be an OS nazi. Free choice is provided to all, and it is just that that makes life worth living. If slashdot were running on an NT box, that wouldn't stop you from visiting it would you? That would be sad, very sad if that were the case. Lose your religion, and then you will feel the greatness of 'free will' and know what a 'prisoner' you once were.
what a jack-ass site you've got! Why not learn to spell first?
Now, do I feel red-faced. Thought USPS stood for US Postal Service... Ooooops. Perhaps I should have just used the standard "US Mail". Is that ok? I'm a little sick right now, you know, with the germs all over the keyboard, so perhaps I can be forgiven ;-)
Have you been to the Post Office lately? Apparently not. They now offer TRACKING with their Priority Night Service. It costs about a buck more, I think (maybe it's 80 cents, I can't remember). Anyway, A parcel that will fit in the flat rate envelope or box that you insure for $51 with Priority Mail AND tracking will set you back $6 or LESS. Check it out.
Priority Mail: $3.20
Insurance for $51 (my standard insurance, just in case): $1.80
Tracking $1 or less: total: $6.
SuSE 6.1 (English) started shipping _today_ .
ditto.
if they're so upset about asp pages why not WRITE SOMETHING AS USEFULL! and make sure it's not beta for 10 years before a stable release.
linux is great but i cant see running a large ecommerce setup on cgi scripts.
prob a lot of untested material as usual.
I just ordered from LSL's toll free line and Kathy from LSL said that the source code is include! Is this not true?
> If slashdot were running on an NT box, that wouldn't stop you from visiting
> it would you? [sic]
Of course it would! Don't be silly. It'd be crashing/misbehaving even more than
it already does and when it wasn't down it'd be even slower than it already is.
Silly wabbit.
Look carefully at the CD on the LSL page describing the "redhat 6.0 gpl." The CDROM pictures has written on it "i386 binary." Whenever an LSL product has included source code it has had "+ source" on the CDROM. For the most part, the CDROM image speaks for itself. As for "Kathy of LSL," it is not LSL employees that answers the toll free line. LSL pays an answering service to take orders which will say ANYTHING to make an order. The reality is that the "GPL" CDROM does not have the source code to the majority of the GPL'd packages. The only thing "free" about the LSL GPL cdrom is the price before S&H, there is no freedom of modification provided.
Next best thing to a "free" CDROM is FREELY modifiable source code. The free distribution of the source code is a primary reason why Linux is where it is today! Also, encouraging distributing the source code is written into the spirit of Copyleft and GNU General Public License. Despite this, LSL's "GPL" CDROM fails to provide the source code to the majority of GPL packages. Even when the authors of some of the packages request that the source code be distributed or listed as a catalog item, LSL still fails to do so. LSL's Dan Irvin instead declaired: "Even if LSL does violate the terms of the GPL, there is little money that would be awarded in damages by a court of law." Anotherwords, LSL (the company that is a "friend" to Linux) gets away with violating the GPL because the can. Of course, you could download source code (from someplace other than LSL), but you have that option available to you regardless of if you order from LSL or not. My recommendation is to boycott LSL's misrepresentation of the "GPL" mark on their product title. Buy RedHat 6.0 from someone that makes the source code a catalog item and keep Linux the great freely modifyable OS it should always be.
At what URL are you seeing 2 CDs? The URL listed above talks about the LSL GPL CDROM (singular). And, as I said before, the page describes the advantage to the General Public License simply being that LSL can provide the latest packages. No where does bring up following the spirit of copyleft/GPL and providing the source code. Dan Irvin is still in it for the money and what he can "get away" with.
The site does not mention any shipping or handling costs. I think I'll just skip this opportunity for being screwed.
Without the source code.
Look what happens. Someone gives you something for free and you complain about it? Typical Linux community...
They do provide a mail-in form for paying by cash or money order............and the amount I had to pay was $8.79 US funds.
This trick of advertising a low price, and then sneaking in an inflated hidden charge, is enough to give me a bad impression of anybody.
I will stick with cheapbytes. Cheapbytes are more "up frount"
I have to shut down for the summer, so if you need to finish a download, hurry up. And if you are about to start a very slow download (>25kbytes/sec), don't.
I have to shut down for the summer, so if you need to finish a download, hurry up. And if you are about to start a slow download (>25kbytes/sec), don't.
$1.01 will buy almost exactly 5 packages of Ramen Noodles at the local Mega Market. Sometimes, when they are on sale, I can get 7.
:)
.29 hamburgers at McDonald's.
Don't knock a buck when you don't have a buck. Such is the college life.
Ramen Soup recipe (food on the cheap):
1 Package, Oriental Flavor Ramen noodles
1 cup rice
Kimchee (available at your local Korean Food Store)
Cook rice. about 3 mintues before rice is done, (about 12-15 minutes), start cooking Ramen. Both should be done simultaneously (or thereabouts). Add water to Ramen (lots of it), add rice, add a little kimchee, bring to boil. You now have Ramen & Rice soup, staple of billions around the world. Enjoy, or go buy those
LSL has a history of not shipping the source code to packages covered under the GNU General Public License. Almost every time I have seen a GNU'ist talk about free, they are talking about the ablity to modify and redistribute derative works. LSL twists the meaning with coming out with $0.00 while still not shipping the actual source code to the Linux distribution. In fact, the "Why GPL" section of the LSL page says that the advantage to the GNU General Public License is that it allows LSL to obtain and distribute the latest "material" but doesn't go into if the "material" includes the source code.
I wish Slashdot would promote that a "GPL CDROM" should include source code rather than promote a "GPL CDROM" just because it is $0.00 but which the packages can not be modified since the source code is missing. The again, maybe the Linux community isn't interested in widespread distribution and contribution to the source code anymore?
It's too bad that more e-commerce sites don't give people the ability to pay by check online or off.
I do on my site, but there is an added expense for me (i'm just a nice guy). To enable people to pay online by check, there is an added $10 fee to the merchant services company.
Since check orders account for less than one percent of my total volume (and I'm probably typical of small businesses), it's easy to see why most places don't want to deal what's essentially another expense not likely to pay for itself.
Still, it's easy to get Visa debit cards, or secured credit cards. Like: http://www.fcnb.com/
No, this is NOT a spam. After a lot of hassle with child support I had to use a secured card for a while myself...
Ever sell anything on ebay?
i got bit by the handling... i checked the price of the shipping and quoted him that, then forgot that i had to buy a box and padding and take the time out of my day to go and pack it etc...
i used to bitch about handling, but not anymore, now i bitch when people charge $10 for handling.
henri
----
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Donate hardware to people who write drivers. It seems to be the biggest bang for the buck at the moment.
Posted by stodge:
so?
FreeBSD users include Hotmail
Not since M$ bought them! Hotmail has been slowly migrating to NT. Which means frequent headaches. I used there service for a while before the take over and rarely had problems but slowly but surely things have been going down hill. Problems include: not being able to access the site (period), frequent "We're sorry you caught use during maintence" (read: "Our system crashed") messages, a tone of messages about Netscape 4.5 not supporting cookies, frames, and the like (yes! I enabled cookies). Well anyways I gave up on them and went to Yahoo! mail.
Posted by Phantom of the Operating Syste:
:P
And htm extensions? This is a really weird plot. Dunno if I'd trust LSL at all
-phantom.
That's not exactly funny, as in they messed up. It's a carefully crafted dirty marketting strategy :)
You were gonna buy NT anyway, now you just gave you a copy of VJ++ so they can tell the world how much you loved it and had to have it. You even paid $80 for it when you could have gotten another IDE for java from somewhere else.
yeah those UPS guys are total idiots...i bought BeOS and bedepot.com only ships w/ UPS. i was AT HOME and the UPS guy never rang the door bell or knocked or anything...fucker. anyway about a week later and calling UPS and Be Inc, back and forth, it finally came and i now enjoy BeOS :) took long enuff!
"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix
$6.99 is the price for RH6 *plus* three archive CDs (Spring '99). That's such a good deal that I already paid the $12 for it yesterday. :)
pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I assume the poster forgot to use the appropriate emoticon for the humor-impaired - it's rather obvious he was being facetious or sarcastic, since all of the packages he mentioned are available in virtually every distro.
FWIW, I do prefer Red Hat, and I ordered the Cheap Bytes CD of 6.0 recently.
I am not sure how useful it is to donate money to free software projects, after all, the people involved aren't doing it for the money. Other things, like donating code, good detailed bug reports, donating documenations, etc. are probably much more effective.
If you do choose to donate money, I would highly recommend the FSF. I have tried to donate money to three free software projects and only the FSF routinely cash my checks. One project never cashed any of my checks and didn't even return email inquiries about them.
The FSF, on the other hand, has been very professional and seems to be the best organized. For example, the only "problem" that I had with them is that they sent me a new "GNU's bulletin" for each check that I sent them, which I considered a waste of money. One note to them fixed the "problem" completely.
If you do consider trying to contibuted non-code related things to any free software project, I would suggest sending them an email first asking them what would be most useful to them. If they say "money would be good", I would suggest sending them one small check and see if they cash it. If they do, send more checks and/or a larger checks. Remember, processing checks takes effort, and it isn't the "fun stuff" of the project. If a project doesn't cash your check or want your money, don't begrudge them. They are volunteers and are putting time/effort into the organization out of the goodness of their hearts.
Anyway, as I said in the beginning, contributions of your time/effort seem to be more effective than contributions of money.
SPF support for most open source mail servers can be found at libspf2.
Well, for some reason I have a bunch of old Boot mag cds sitting on my desk in the strata circa 1997 (November to be exact). The distro included was Debian 1.3.1.
Every new release I buy full price from Red Hat and/or Caldera. Then I buy a few from cheap bytes to give away. Gotta give these people credit for all the work they have done. If you have the money, support the cause.
Linux is only free if your time has no value. Windows is only free if you threaten to use Linux.
$80 is a SMALL price to pay when you realize all the advanced features that are in this release of the new RedHat operating system! Things like SMP, RedHat 2.2 kernel, GNOME *1.0*, kde 1.1, APACHE... the world's best web server! Where else can you find all these features packed into one OS? ONLY with Red Hat! Other free Unixes like GNU/Linux can only HOPE to match these amazing features that Red Hat has to offer.
:-)
That posting was kind of weird: Makes some good points based on facts (e.g. the Apache reference), yet mixes up some other important facts.
1st. You don't pay $80 for the actual OS, which is NOT "the RedHat OS", it's a Linux distribution. If you pay for the retail package, you get a manual, customer support, and other goodies. You don't pay for Linux itself, it doesn't belong to RedHat, always remember that.
2nd. RedHat 2.2 Kernel? There's no such thing! It's the Linux kernel. Even if the distribution is called RedHat Linux, it doesn't mean "RedHat's Linux" but "RedHat's distribution of Linux". Keep that in mind.
3rd. Here's the worst misconception: GNU/Linux is presented as a competing product. Repeat: There's no RedHat OS, actually, RedHat Linux is GNU/Linux as well. And that's why you can download it for free with source code included: That's part of the GNU GPL License. RedHat isn't being nice because of that, they have to offer it for free like that, otherwise they couldn't offer it at all. The fact that they write and donate their own enhancements and code under the GPL, that's the nice thing, very nice indeed. It also means that their "amazing features" can be used by any other distribution.
I assume the poster mixed this up because of a misunderstanding of OSS and the Linux concept. It can't be compared to commercial proprietary software. It's a totally new thing for most of us, an exciting evolution of software, so we must learn that new concept to fully understand the free software phenomenon.
PS: I'm a happy user of both RedHat Linux 5.2 & Debian GNU/Linux
-- Eavy (: Linux Is Not UniX
They get you with the 0.00 deal. Seeing 0.00 as a price gets you excited and you feel that you must have it, because it's free. But $8.79 for a single cd seems a bit steep, compared to LinuxCentral or Cheapbytes, where I believe you get 2+ and it's cheaper. Nice deal, but not quite there yet. Say 5 bucks or so for shipping, and then we'll talk. :)
--
Scott Miga
UPS Ground runs: $9.11
USPS Priority runs: $7.79
Those appear to be the cheapest.
Topher
Not a bad price. Considering that the official is $76.95 at LSL. Geeze...and here I was gonna buy the official RedHat, but I don't have that kind of money. Oh well, good thing I'm on a college ethernet. :-)
Does it seem to anyone else that RH is thinking they can charge more because linux is more respectable now? $76.95 seems really high. I purchased RH 5.0 official for $21 or something like that. Just a thought.
My Slashdot account is old enough to drink...
With cheapbyte's $1.99 CD's they charge $5 for shipping, so it comes to about $7.
I have to return some videotapes...
http://www.netcraft.com/cgi-bin/Survey/whats?host= www.lsl.com
www.lsl.com is running Apache/1.3.4 (Unix) on FreeBSD
Apache is also being used by Javasoft, Financial Times, W3 Consortium, and The Royal Family.
FreeBSD users include Hotmail, Yahoo, and The Apache Project.
Mailordercentral.com is just handling their sales and shipping it seems.
I don't want to sound like a whiney snot, but I can't help but think it's funny that $1.01 price difference is being discussed.. :)
I just got done reading a news.com article about how the price of Windows is a rising percent of the OS, and then to see this discussion...
Let's just say that the OSS world is simply cooler.
scottwimer
-- Beer. It's what's for breakfast.
'tanks..
v ar\... on me.
:-D
I was downloading RH6 over the company T1, but the dang server at the local Boston mirror rpmfind.net threw a recursive set of links to me. My NT system started acting wierd when it created a PATH\var\var\var\var\var\var\var\var\var\var\var\
Guess what happened when I told NT to delete the tree? "Cannot delete directory Gnome - directory too deep". What a crappy OS.... or maybe it's smart enough to know what I was doing??
(I was able to delete the tree in multiple passes, by going to the bottom, working up).
I much prefer .ISO images. Earlier folks posted lots of .ISO links; here is one that is fast FOR ME (95k/sec).
t 60.iso
.gz ISO, but all the other links were too slow or WORSE were international - it's bad enough we have non-local bandwidth polluters like Yahoo Boston, the server being located god knows where, without me dragging 500 megs kicking and screaming through some small countries connection to the backbone..
:)
ftp://ftp.ens.utulsa.edu/pub/linux/redhat/RedHa
I tried this location last because I preferred a
Of course, I could do an FTP install and really conserve bandwidth, but I don't have a T1 at home and I do at work..
linux is great but i cant see running a large ecommerce setup on cgi scripts.
Complete FUD. Linux can run mod-perl, php, etc, which are all comparably better than ASP.
As far as software that does ecommerce, I'm not sure.
At first I thought he meant that his 3 dogs were there to guard his 3 and one-half Acer brand computers, and then I started wondering about that half a computer. (of course my living room is currently covered in various fractions of computers)
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
At the risk of sounding like a "Me Too!" loser, the same thing happened to me. In my case, Internet Junkbuster was clipping the cookies. (Netscape was still asking whether I wanted to accept the cookies, but IJB was keeping them from going out.)
--Joe--
Program Intellivision!
Here's a listing of places that you can download an ISO of the RedHat 6.0 CD, courtesy of Ars Technica.
w ig.i386.iso9660.gz
. iso9660.gz
ftp://o su-linux.capital.ous.edu/pub/linux/redhat/iso/hed
ftp://pricie.ccl.kuleuven.ac.be/pub/rh 60.iso
ftp://ftp.s ervers.cx/pub/mirrors/linux/hedwig-27apr1999.i386
Really, its amazing that they make any money right now... since most of the people who use Linux are farily comforatable around a computer... Most of them are easily able to get a copy by burning it from a friend. I dont see very many people actually buying the box (at least in my circles)
Its $6.99 plus $5 for $11.99 total at Cheapbytes
Nope. It's $1.99 plus $5 for $6.99 total at Cheapbytes.
http://www.netcraft.com/cgi-bin/Survey/whats?host= www.mailordercentral.com
www.mailordercentral.com is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4 or Windows 98
Microsoft-IIS is also being used by Walt Disney, Compaq, Nasdaq, and The National Football League.
NT4/Windows 98 users include Intel, Exxon, Merrill Lynch, Marriott, and Gillette.
My order came to $0.00 also but it also says "A representative from our company will contact you with the shipping amount before charging your credit card." it may be tho cause i ordered 101 cds
Yes, donating code, bug reports, and documentation would be ideal. But there are people who use free software who don't have the time or knowledge to contribute in these ways, yet still appreciate the time and effort that goes into making free software and wish to contribute.
Many Free Software projects run webservers, which cost money as far as: registering the domain name, getting the hardware for the server to run on, and getting the server a connection to the net. At least two of those are not one-time costs.
But wayne does make some excellent points as far as how to go about donating money. I would definitely recommend checking with the person/project you wish to send money before you actually do.
The same thing happened to me. I went back, turned cookies on and the shipping cost appeared. If your cookies are off that might be the problem.
With all the annoyances of UPS deliveries, what I actually wish I could do is just walk into a store and buy a copy of RH. The official version seems to take forever to get distributed, and I haven't found anyone who just presses a bunch of copies off the ftp site and sells them.
I mean, I'm in a big city (NYC), you would think some little computer store would press a bunch of copies and sell them for $10. Does anyone know of a place in NY that does this?
I just ordered Red Hat, Debian and Slackware distros, and it was $8 for the whole thing, not just for one CD. I was surprised, I thought it was $8 a CD too, but it's actually a really good deal!
KDE and GNOME are part of RH 6.0... you don't need LSL to add it for you.
Guys..check out CheapBytes The CD is only for $6.99 including UPS. SO what it cheaper ?
KDE and GNOME both come with stock rh6.0.
-matt
I've ordered from LSL before and I was pleased. The shipping charges are for postal priority. You get the package in 2-3 days. LSL made me happy by replacing a defective CD-R I bought from them free of charge, I sent it back using regular postage which took about a week and only costs me the change in my pocket. Then they send it back postal priority, which is why it costs 8 bucks.
I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
Seriously.
:)
I went to order the CD, and figured that since I didn't need it right away, priority mail, USA only (the last option on their shipping list) would be good enough for me.
Imagine my surprise when shipping proved to be $0.00.
I even saved the page to a file in my home directory as proof.
This is the page that says, "This is how much you will be charged, please enter your credit card number". If they charge more than what they say they will to your card, they'll get in rather serious trouble, don't you think?
I don't know if it's a mistake, or if they usually offer free shipping via the Postal Service (since it is cheaper/slower than other shipping methods), but that's what I got...and so help me if they charge me a penny more I'm really going to raise hell.
(Have you ever had to enter your credit card number so that you can be charged $0.00 to your account? That's a weird experience, but now I can honestly say I've done it.
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Hey, I paid my civic virtue by downloading and sitting through annoying IBM banner ads, getting spam from AOL, and wasting my time having to change the default home pages on all my browsers back after they've all been changed to NetCenter by Netscape. All of these companies have donated heavily to RedHat, so they can consider my civic duty paid many times over by proxy.
If they ever do make it difficult to obtain a RedHat version for free, I'll say, "Hello, Debian!" and kindly tell RedHat to take their request for "civic virtue" and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
For those wondering about shipping, prices, I ordered Debian 2.0.2 a while ago from lsl.com. I believe the cd's themselves (3 of them) cost $2, but there was like $3 shipping, and $4 handling. I've never really understood the handling thing, but that's where they make their money. I guess it's for the service of mailing it or something.
He said, "You'll be able to tell your grandchildren that you helped assemble the first NT supercomputer," and I cringed.
I just recently upgraded to Red Hat 6.0 on two of my servers here at home, the other runs SuSE 6.0. Anyhow, the redhat upgrade fixed a problem I was having using IP-aliasing. They seem to have finally gotten the initial kernel config right, all I needed to do was choose the modules I needed, and away I went. They are using some special version of 2.2.5. They call it 2.2.5-15. Probably some internal bug fixes that are already in 2.2.6 and on. Anyhow, all works well, the upgrade went exceptionally smooth. everything still works under glibc 2.1! I was a bit reluctant to upgrade, but so far so good. Amazingly, nothing got clobbered in the upgrade. I especially liked the choice of shadowed passwords in the install. You no longer have to hunt this option down. Anyhow, good work Red Hat, though $80 is a bit too rich for my blood, this time I opted for a download(thank the machine for cable modems).
-Master Switch, one more element in the machine
That there was a one CD per costomer limit for
the free CD offer. Woops...
And I quote:
"Limit 1 free copy per customer.
Shipping and handling charges apply."
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I think we broke the server... go the slashdot effect!... unfortunately I can't actually get my basketful of goodies on it's merry way to me because the 'check out' and 'buy now' links seem to be very very.... quiet.
Some projects specifically could use money though. Some groups develop hardware drivers and applications and could use funds to purchase them. These groups also sometimes need money to get access to specifications and such. Also, some groups could use money for certification testing.
It was Caldera OpenLinux - and they Boot got quite a few letters asking them what they were supposed to do after they got a command prompt :)
I became a Linux convert the day that NT crashed five times on me.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
- Evelyn Beatrice Hall
There are enough other magazines out there putting free demos of games and the like with their paper product, why doesn't a magazine like Linux Journal do the same?
I buy CMJ New Music every month just for the included mix CD; I'd do the same for something like Linux Journal.
Thoughts?
--The more you know, the less you know.
I think that is more than $8.
In a world that is Free and Open, who needs Windows and Gates?
Here's a section from the ''GNU Manifesto'' by Richard M. Stallman:
At RedHat Software, Inc. there are (according to my latest information from #gimp
People who receive a gratis CD with free software from a developer could send him the money saved, to encourage him to write more free software or manuals.
Most programmers and technical writers can contribute by writing software and documentation for GNU. That is the most direct way to contribute to the GNU Project. But if you can't or don't contribute in that way, please donate money to the FSF instead.
To donate to the FSF, simply mail a check to:
Free Software Foundation
59 Temple Place - Suite 330
Boston, MA 02111
USA
I used it as an exscuse to finally get Running Linux, and save with shipping. Beats both amazon.com and local bookstore with state tax.
Plus redhat 6.0 yippee
when Push Comes to Shove
I notice a lot of symbolic links in the distro directories, and was wondering if there's a good method to raping it all, maintaining the symbolic links, and packing it for a CD burn.
mirror scripts.
In the case of RedHat, there's a mirror perl script that's used to make a local copy from either the distribution server (assuming you can stand the lack of speed) or one of the mirrors. It's not too hard to set up, and if memory serves, there's a decent HOWTO about burning a bootable CD from your mirror files.
There are ISO images out there, but all of them seem to be on slow servers, alas. Nobody's managed to get an ISO up on a speedy server like wcarchive.
Debian alludes to being able to do much the same thing, but it was easier for me to just snare the ISO.
I hear tell that Mandrake also distributes official ISO images.
Histoically, Caldera has done the same thing, but so far I haven't come across the actual files for the most recent release (but then, I'm not looking too hard).
No sign of ISOs for SuSE or Stampede.
I wouldn't know squat about TurboLinux because... well, does anyone even use TL?
It's also noteworthy that one almost never finds ISO images of the various BSDs. Seems like the BSD folks are image-averse, preferring (like Debian) to guide folks towards mirroring and (unlike Debian) not distributing an ISO at all. This is vaguely understandable given the size of the thing.
- $39.95, "Core" edition for hackers and slashdotters that is just 2 CDs and the installation guide.
- $79.95, "Official" edition for everybody else with the extra CD, the floppy (whee!), and the Getting Started guide.
- $99.95, "Extra" edition, has several extra CDs
IMO RedHat is just offering some more choices. It seems logical to me, charge more for getting more. But they are still keeping the $40 option, which is fine for me.I payed my dues in the RedHat game.. I bought 4.2 and 5.0, and vowed never to buy them again. Why? Because i can.
Boot magazine CD had linux on it quite a while back. I'm not sure what distro or version it was, but I do recall this, as it made quite an impression (before I ever even knew what linux was)
And at $1.99 for the CD and $5.00 S&H you can still get it cheaper at CHEAPBYTES.COM.
"the sky above the port is the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel"
Korean spicy cabbage
I just checked this out, and it appears that you can get it shipped via USPS. According to their rate calculators, it would cost $7.79 to my zip code of 53523 with USPS as opposed to $8.79 with UPS. How about that?
sup
Like a lot of Linux users, I'm just interested in checking out the other distros. On the other hand, the distros don't mean a whole lot--right now my machine is probably more up-to-date then Redhat 6.0 is =)
Also, I'm the local source of Linux propoganda at work. Hence, I'd like to see how the other distros hold up to Redhat in terms of producing a usable system quickly, and completely. I'm getting closer every day to having production linux machines in use!
My last (and only, period) experience with LSL was rather disapointing. I picked up a 3-CD set of RH 5.2 (the binary distro, all the contribs, and their 'Catalyst', what they advertised as demo and trial versions of commercial software).
While the binary distro CD was fine, the other two were next to worthless. The contribs CD obviously had not been reviewed at all. Both KDE and Gnome had mixed RPMS for different versions--making them useless. The 'Catalyst' had a very small handful of trial versions, but was almost entirely HTML files with broken links, which seemed to have just been saved off different vendors web sites.
Needless to say, I'll not be throwing away any more money with LSL. Next paycheck, I'm trying out Cheapbytes (their mondo pack looks good =)
Vrallis
http://www.linux-support.net/cdoffer.shtml
The cost for either CD is $12.95 per CD plus $3.55 shipping (USPS Priority Mail, Delivery Confirmed) per order.
Find a first class ecommerce package for linux and then talk. Linux doesn't have one now. Any way, people have to quit this "No MS" stuff. Use the best technology availabe to solve a problem. If MS has that Technology, fine. Very much like KDE used Qt. Would you throw away all the inventions of Nazi Germany? Would you vacate your apartment because your landlord is convicted of murder? Get real people.
I noticed one key point, however minor, that might make the difference between LSL's version and the stock RH 6.0 offered by CheapBytes, LinuxMall, and even Red Hat themselves. They include the 2.2.7 kernel, a hair up from the bundled kernel. Additionally, they include a trial of some back-up software and KDE and GNOME.
I'd be very interested to hear from people whether this minor change makes a big difference, whether for good or for bad. RPM's can be tied to specific kernels and/or distributions, and Red Hat's install procedure works almost entirely with RPM, if memory serves correctly.
Lastly, I wonder how intuitive KDE and GNOME might be. I've seen mixed reaction to LSL's handling of it in prior distributions.
Personally, I'm sticking with CheapBytes... although I could download it over my cable modem (provided I had enough free HD space), they gave me excellent service when I bought from them last.
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For over a year now, my university book store has had a deal where if you buy any microsoft development tool, you get a free copy of NT Workstation 4.0. For $80 CDN you can get Visual J++ with NT. Sitting on the shelf beside this is an NT 4.0 WS box for over $100. Duh.
Not that I endorse buying microsoft operating systems, I just find that kindof funny.
Cheapbytes.com has the 6.0 cd's for $2, $7 with the archive CDs. Shipping is more in the realm of believability, around $5.
STFU & GBTW
What could be better than free cds?
I can't think of anything!
"I don't like this deep shit about crazy crap"
it's cheaper at cheapbytes.com
here is the price I got for it and it will stay at this price
/* START */
CheapBytes Red Hat 6.0 CD-ROM i386 CPU 1 @ $1.99
1.99 Subtotal 1.99
Sales Tax 0.00
Shipping 5.00
How much is this in my currency?
TOTAL $6.99
All amounts on this page are in U.S. Dollars
/* END */
as you can see at 1.99$ you can event buy a second one for 0.98$ plus then the other place the shipping wont change.
When you order it from LSL, it specifically mentions that you are getting 2 CD's. I'm pretty sure the second CD is full of SRPMs. So therefore, the source IS included.
-- My neighbors dog has a four inch clit.
You are right and you are wrong, I finally got my LSL RH 6 CD's and yes there are TWO of them, but no, the source isn't included. Is that a violation of the GPL? I dunno, considering the source is available all over the internet, but hey, as an end user, what do I care about the source? If I wan't to see or alter the source of any program, I'll get the freaking source elsewhere, it's not that hard to find...
-- My neighbors dog has a four inch clit.
At the Best Buy in Reston VA, the Official Redhat 6.0 was $74.99. Even after tax, it cost less to get it here than to have it shipped.
Can't wait for Powertools.
I did send this to Slashdot as news, but the trained mammals must have missed the post.
Eve Fairbanks says I drive a hybrid!LOL
Best Buy had already dropped the price, $64.99
Going to try to ge a refund from the before sale price I paid yesterday.
Eve Fairbanks says I drive a hybrid!LOL
Actually it's not lsl that uses the asp pages
it's mailordercentral.com. That is definitely
a NT box (according to netcraft). But they're not
out of the woods yet. Netcraft says they're using FreeBSD. So, yeah, so much for using what you sell. I couldn't find an e-mail, quickly anyway,
to send them an e-mail and tell them how disappointed I was.
I'm not being an OS nazi. I simply find it disappointing that a retail company with "Linux" in it's name does not use Linux. Now if you don't find that unusual. Fine. But, like you said free will and all, I can choose to use retailers who have enough faith in the product they sell to use it themselves. That's my choice and that's what I plan to do.
It's probably for insurance.
$4 for the shipping
$5.37 for the insurance.
I don't know why the insurance would be so high.. so it probably is just lining their pockets in case they lose one.
Yes baby now I don't have to spend more than $15 for an updated Redhat CD or wait hours just to download one..
Does anyone know if there's anything useful on the 3 CD Archive set from Cheapbytes. In addition to the RH 6.0 CD for $1.99, which according to Cheapbytes includes an electronic manual, Cheapbytes is offering a 4 CD set that includes the RH 6.0 CD plus a 3 CD "Archive Set" for $6.99 + shipping. Cheapbyte's description of the Archive Set is pretty slim.
Advise appreciated.
LSL Is where I shop for my Linux, from now on :-)
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Alanp