I said it was "stupid" because that's how the article described it.....
That's fine if you thought my clothing was "stupid" - but there's no need to be rude at work and comment about it. It creates a hostile work enviroment. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
I'm friends with plenty of other people at work and get invited to those social outings. Just my boss, his boss, and a few of their buddies interests are basically being pigs and so I could never be included. They value their jobs to much to ever talk about that sort of stuff infront of me even, if I said I wouldn't report them to HR, they wouldn't take the chance.
you know MAYBE this is one of the things the article was talking about. Stupid IT guys think it's perfectly ok to make fun of each other's clothing, but females for the most part take "jokes" like that personally. Just one of the things that makes IT an unfriendly enviroment for females.
I agree with you that your bosses behavior is disgusting, but talking at the urinals? Big deal. Aside from the boss thing, it just seems to me that you don't agree with certain aspects of their behavior, which is a personal thing. A lot of people don't feel that having casual sex is wrong, so talking about taking women home from bars is not a big deal. I don't really care what they do in their personal lives, I was simply giving examples of conversations I will NEVER be included it. Because of that they have their little inside jokes, txt each other during meetings, even socialize outside of work. I'm not included cause I'm not one of the guys.
If I came to work wearing a suit and tie I'd get wierd comments to. People would either think I was looking for a job on the side, or they'd joke around with me about it. Why do you assume they're making fun of you? And if they are "making fun of you," why do you assume its malicious instead of gentle ribbing? You can blow off everything else as normal office politics. But this one I simply don't get. It makes me feel like I'm in elementary school. Because I took the time to wear an ironed shirt, and maybe add some accessories like a belt or a necklace, that means it's appropriate to for male co-workers to "gently rib" me about my clothing? But what is the joke? Why say anything? I really don't get it.
At least as a male you can get into it if you play the game. As a female I'm pretty much locked out of the old boys club. I'll never even get to be buddy buddy with my boss.
I have a good friend at work who sometimes repeats to me the horrible conversations that occur between the males at work. They talk at the urinals, they fart and laugh about it infront of each other, they tell each other stories about whatever girls they brought home from the bar, and ugh the worst thing I heard yesterday was my boss likes to go to the strip club and wear thin sweatpants so he can feel everything! (/vomit) He's married w/ a wife and kid. This is the kind of stuff I won't ever be a part of that precludes me from being in the club.
eh, honestly, money > getting proper credit for work. I work to live, not live to work. I like my condo, car, and all my toys:)
And plus I have no reason to believe it would be different at any other company. Was the same at my last job too, but that one didn't pay very well so I left.
See the thing is the job is pretty good otherwise, you can't really get fired, the pay is good, the benefits are great, and the stock options are worth alot. I have this feeling that no matter where I go I'd run into the same problems, so don't want to go to a lesser job and not have those nice stock options to cry into at night.
I work for a fortune 100 company as a software engineer and I face this discrimination all the time. I frequently get this vibe from my male co-workers that they don't take what I say seriously. And then when I do great work, they all try to get their hand in the pot and take credit for things I did, which frustrates me to no end. A male co-worker actually got a promotion which seemed to me (from the little congratulations email went out describing all his wonderful accomplishments), mostly based on MY work. And did I get a promotion? Nope. And when I do, I'll still be at a lower level than most because my raise will be based on a percentage of what I currently make which apparently was pretty low compared to my male counterparts.
And then there's this whole thing all women have to deal with at work that being aggressive = bitch. And I feel like whenever I try to get other people's names detached from my work, my bosses don't take it seriously and have even gone as far to joke about it infront of other people!
And whenever I come to work dressed somewhat fashionably I get weird comments, not compliments, they are actually making fun of me I think. What the heck is that about. Sorry I'm not wearing wrinkled khakis and a wrinkled blue dress shirt like the rest of you slobs (we're corporate so don't do the jeans/t-shirts thing).
Yeah so the other day I was talking to a female in marketing at my company asking her what it's like there cause it's really not cool in IT.
The answers are there, but it usually takes the help of others to figure out what it means/how to apply it
I think maybe your comphrension skills are lacking. I have no problem using the reference on msdn. And I also just use a $15 text editor to do all my coding - so don't have the help of Intellisense, nor do I have a MSDN subscription.
I'm not really sure what a MSDN membership gets you besides being able to download a bunch of software without licenses for testing/debugging purposes.
I believe the authors of all the articles and documentation are listed right there on every page, and you can email them if you want! See my comment above: I have reported code errors/typos on the.NET reference on MSDN and gotten a response in a few hours thanking me for catching it and that they'll update it on the next release of the documentation.
We're doing without MSDN because we can't afford that.
Uh.. have you ever been to http://msdn.microsoft.com/library It's free...
Lastly, a customer can go to Microsoft and request a feature? Really? Even one as small as us? Yeah, right.
I've never requested a feature but I have reported code errors/typos on the.NET reference on MSDN and gotten a response in a few hours thanking me for catching it and that they'll update it on the next release of the documentation.
This is a term Microsoft uses alot. Just do a search on msdn for dogfood and you can see when they use it. For example I read their paper on switching Microsoft.com from asp pages to aspx pages while aspx was still in beta. They called it eating their on dogfood.
Okay, at work at 8 am on a Sunday, I don't think I clearly wrote what I was trying to say.
Most of your memories need cues so that you can remember them, these are older memories, that you think about less often, so they are further down in your subconscious (which is an abstract thing, not a concrete part of your brain, which I could point to and say, hey, there's your subconcious) Memories that are "floating closer to the surface" are more easily remembered, with less cues.
I don't know about others, but sometimes when I am thinking, I drift off and think about other things, which in turn, makes me remember something I read, or saw, or something else someone did, anything. But if, I remembered every minute detail of everything, my thoughts would become jumbled, and I would never really return to my original train of thought, because just about anything would become a cue, since I remembered everything.
hmm. That's probably still no clearer... I'm a comp sci major, not psych! heh.
Some interesting things I have learned in Psychology 101:
If we were to have a memory like so many of you are describing, it would almost be impossible to function normally. You would remember many many useless things. For example: What time you got up yesterday to go to the bathroom, what color socks you wore 3 weeks ago, what you ate for dinner months ago, etc. Your brain would be filled with unimportant information like this, and it would be very cluttered. I believe there have been some cases where people did have this type of memory, and they were unable to function normally, because stupid little details like these would interfere with their normal train of thought. This is why you only remember the pretty important things. All of your sensory input is taken in, and then sent to your hippocampus, which it will stay for a short period of time. Your brain then decides wether or not to store it in memory. Anything which involves emotion has a much greater chance of being stored permanently, or at least as long as it's important. To recall these memories - especially old ones, you need some sort of cue, which brings it out, and puts it into conscious thinking. Audition (sense of smell) is one of the most powerful cues. (Like smelling cookies baking, and then remembering grandma's house) And you don't usually forget things you'd like to, as someone pointed out - horrible war images. But other things, like car accidents, you may never remember, because if you were in the car accident, and you had any sort of blow to the head, at that point in time, information isn't being sent to the hippocampus, or if it's gotten there, it can't be encoded into memory, because at that point in time, a hard hit to the head would disrupt chemical activity, or neural pathways which allow this to happen.
And the other thing I'd like to point out, the fact that we only use 2% (or whatever %) of our brain is really a myth. We do use all of our brains. There is implicit and explicit memory. Say you got amnesia, and didn't remember anything - yet you still remembered how to walk and talk, and perform other simple tasks. This is part of your memory - which I believe is stored in your cortex (I don't quite remember) Most animals have very thin cortices (plural of cortex?) The larger your cortex, the more capacity you have. (The size of your cortex is determined by what kind of enviornment you were raised in. An experiment done with rats showed that a rat left in a cage by itself while it was young did not develop as thick a cortex as rats put in a cage with other rats, and rat toys for it to play with)
Woah long post - sorry about that. I just found Psychology 101 to be an amazing class (after being forced to take it as a requirement for an AI course, Human-computer interaction), and I would suggest anyone interested in the brain to take a few Psychology classes.
Another thing I forgot to mention, it will let you go to a webpage, and hit file and then edit, which opens it up in Netscape Composer, which is also pretty convenient.
Doesn't Netscape Composer pretty much let you do this? It's got a WYSIWYG editor, and then you click on the publish button, which from there you would put in ftp://ftp.mydomain.com/home/users/username/public_ html (or whatever directory you've set up), then put in your username and password, and it will upload the page, and all the associated files. Is that pretty much what you are looking for?
I don't know what to say, it's depressing. jwz says open source works, but to have jwz resign from a big open source project like mozilla kinda makes you think.
What would you all be saying if it was the other way around? Like, what if someone had linuxsucks.com? Or, even worse, what if someone, bought linux.com, and just totally bashed it? Would you demand they return it back to Linus/the Linux community. Or would you all say, "well, they're protected under the first amendment, nothing we can do..." What if Microsoft had actually won the bid on the site. I doubt they would have put something nice on there...
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I said it was "stupid" because that's how the article described it.....
That's fine if you thought my clothing was "stupid" - but there's no need to be rude at work and comment about it. It creates a hostile work enviroment. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
I'm friends with plenty of other people at work and get invited to those social outings. Just my boss, his boss, and a few of their buddies interests are basically being pigs and so I could never be included. They value their jobs to much to ever talk about that sort of stuff infront of me even, if I said I wouldn't report them to HR, they wouldn't take the chance.
you know MAYBE this is one of the things the article was talking about. Stupid IT guys think it's perfectly ok to make fun of each other's clothing, but females for the most part take "jokes" like that personally. Just one of the things that makes IT an unfriendly enviroment for females.
At least as a male you can get into it if you play the game. As a female I'm pretty much locked out of the old boys club. I'll never even get to be buddy buddy with my boss.
I have a good friend at work who sometimes repeats to me the horrible conversations that occur between the males at work. They talk at the urinals, they fart and laugh about it infront of each other, they tell each other stories about whatever girls they brought home from the bar, and ugh the worst thing I heard yesterday was my boss likes to go to the strip club and wear thin sweatpants so he can feel everything! (/vomit) He's married w/ a wife and kid. This is the kind of stuff I won't ever be a part of that precludes me from being in the club.
eh, honestly, money > getting proper credit for work. I work to live, not live to work. I like my condo, car, and all my toys :)
And plus I have no reason to believe it would be different at any other company. Was the same at my last job too, but that one didn't pay very well so I left.
See the thing is the job is pretty good otherwise, you can't really get fired, the pay is good, the benefits are great, and the stock options are worth alot. I have this feeling that no matter where I go I'd run into the same problems, so don't want to go to a lesser job and not have those nice stock options to cry into at night.
You can have all the IT skills in the world (which I do :P) but that doesn't get you into the old boys club.
I work for a fortune 100 company as a software engineer and I face this discrimination all the time. I frequently get this vibe from my male co-workers that they don't take what I say seriously. And then when I do great work, they all try to get their hand in the pot and take credit for things I did, which frustrates me to no end. A male co-worker actually got a promotion which seemed to me (from the little congratulations email went out describing all his wonderful accomplishments), mostly based on MY work. And did I get a promotion? Nope. And when I do, I'll still be at a lower level than most because my raise will be based on a percentage of what I currently make which apparently was pretty low compared to my male counterparts.
And then there's this whole thing all women have to deal with at work that being aggressive = bitch. And I feel like whenever I try to get other people's names detached from my work, my bosses don't take it seriously and have even gone as far to joke about it infront of other people!
And whenever I come to work dressed somewhat fashionably I get weird comments, not compliments, they are actually making fun of me I think. What the heck is that about. Sorry I'm not wearing wrinkled khakis and a wrinkled blue dress shirt like the rest of you slobs (we're corporate so don't do the jeans/t-shirts thing).
Yeah so the other day I was talking to a female in marketing at my company asking her what it's like there cause it's really not cool in IT.
The answers are there, but it usually takes the help of others to figure out what it means/how to apply it
.NET reference on MSDN and gotten a response in a few hours thanking me for catching it and that they'll update it on the next release of the documentation.
I think maybe your comphrension skills are lacking. I have no problem using the reference on msdn. And I also just use a $15 text editor to do all my coding - so don't have the help of Intellisense, nor do I have a MSDN subscription.
I'm not really sure what a MSDN membership gets you besides being able to download a bunch of software without licenses for testing/debugging purposes.
I believe the authors of all the articles and documentation are listed right there on every page, and you can email them if you want! See my comment above:
I have reported code errors/typos on the
We're doing without MSDN because we can't afford that.
.NET reference on MSDN and gotten a response in a few hours thanking me for catching it and that they'll update it on the next release of the documentation.
Uh.. have you ever been to http://msdn.microsoft.com/library
It's free...
Lastly, a customer can go to Microsoft and request a feature? Really? Even one as small as us? Yeah, right.
I've never requested a feature but I have reported code errors/typos on the
This is a term Microsoft uses alot. Just do a search on msdn for dogfood and you can see when they use it. For example I read their paper on switching Microsoft.com from asp pages to aspx pages while aspx was still in beta. They called it eating their on dogfood.
vi index.html
:1,$s/.gif/.png/g
MSIE5 supports them fine as far as I can tell. (I'm at work), http://graphicswiz.com/png/pngpic2.html looks fine compared to the gif version of it.
I know, but see the autodection routines in there? I put one in for another card.
Oh yeah? What about the Intellivision keyboard? :)
Okay, at work at 8 am on a Sunday, I don't think I clearly wrote what I was trying to say.
Most of your memories need cues so that you can remember them, these are older memories, that you think about less often, so they are further down in your subconscious (which is an abstract thing, not a concrete part of your brain, which I could point to and say, hey, there's your subconcious)
Memories that are "floating closer to the surface" are more easily remembered, with less cues.
I don't know about others, but sometimes when I am thinking, I drift off and think about other things, which in turn, makes me remember something I read, or saw, or something else someone did, anything. But if, I remembered every minute detail of everything, my thoughts would become jumbled, and I would never really return to my original train of thought, because just about anything would become a cue, since I remembered everything.
hmm. That's probably still no clearer... I'm a comp sci major, not psych! heh.
Some interesting things I have learned in Psychology 101:
If we were to have a memory like so many of you are describing, it would almost be impossible to function normally. You would remember many many useless things. For example: What time you got up yesterday to go to the bathroom, what color socks you wore 3 weeks ago, what you ate for dinner months ago, etc. Your brain would be filled with unimportant information like this, and it would be very cluttered. I believe there have been some cases where people did have this type of memory, and they were unable to function normally, because stupid little details like these would interfere with their normal train of thought. This is why you only remember the pretty important things. All of your sensory input is taken in, and then sent to your hippocampus, which it will stay for a short period of time. Your brain then decides wether or not to store it in memory. Anything which involves emotion has a much greater chance of being stored permanently, or at least as long as it's important. To recall these memories - especially old ones, you need some sort of cue, which brings it out, and puts it into conscious thinking. Audition (sense of smell) is one of the most powerful cues. (Like smelling cookies baking, and then remembering grandma's house)
And you don't usually forget things you'd like to, as someone pointed out - horrible war images. But other things, like car accidents, you may never remember, because if you were in the car accident, and you had any sort of blow to the head, at that point in time, information isn't being sent to the hippocampus, or if it's gotten there, it can't be encoded into memory, because at that point in time, a hard hit to the head would disrupt chemical activity, or neural pathways which allow this to happen.
And the other thing I'd like to point out, the fact that we only use 2% (or whatever %) of our brain is really a myth. We do use all of our brains. There is implicit and explicit memory. Say you got amnesia, and didn't remember anything - yet you still remembered how to walk and talk, and perform other simple tasks. This is part of your memory - which I believe is stored in your cortex (I don't quite remember) Most animals have very thin cortices (plural of cortex?) The larger your cortex, the more capacity you have. (The size of your cortex is determined by what kind of enviornment you were raised in. An experiment done with rats showed that a rat left in a cage by itself while it was young did not develop as thick a cortex as rats put in a cage with other rats, and rat toys for it to play with)
Woah long post - sorry about that. I just found Psychology 101 to be an amazing class (after being forced to take it as a requirement for an AI course, Human-computer interaction), and I would suggest anyone interested in the brain to take a few Psychology classes.
Another thing I forgot to mention, it will let you go to a webpage, and hit file and then edit, which opens it up in Netscape Composer, which is also pretty convenient.
Doesn't Netscape Composer pretty much let you do this? It's got a WYSIWYG editor, and then you click on the publish button, which from there you would put in ftp://ftp.mydomain.com/home/users/username/public_ html (or whatever directory you've set up), then put in your username and password, and it will upload the page, and all the associated files.
Is that pretty much what you are looking for?
It's shit, piss, fuck, cock, cunt, motherfucker, and tits.
I don't know what to say, it's depressing. jwz says open source works, but to have jwz resign from a big open source project like mozilla kinda makes you think.
What would you all be saying if it was the other way around? Like, what if someone had linuxsucks.com? Or, even worse, what if someone, bought linux.com, and just totally bashed it? Would you demand they return it back to Linus/the Linux community. Or would you all say, "well, they're protected under the first amendment, nothing we can do..." What if Microsoft had actually won the bid on the site. I doubt they would have put something nice on there...
Honestly, how long until 2.2.x is done? I wasn't really around for the 2.0.x series... So I am not sure how this is done.