I would second your observation. I had zero experience with Unix systems when I bought that Yggdrasil Plug-and-Play CDROM set (they called it LGX in their failed attempt to wrap Linux in their proprietary labelling) back in the Fall of 1993. After years of tooling around in Linux, one weekend, about two years ago, I decided to download NetBSD. The first machine I installed it on was a Toshiba Laptop, over NFS (exported from a Slackware box, of course). In NetBSD I discovered the clean design that I thought was in danger of disappearing in a cloud of proprietary packaging schemes like RPM.
Linux isn't 'ahead' on my home network. I have two NetBSD-x86 boxes, one NetBSD-Mac68K box (SE/30), and only one Slackware box. Slackware has the feel of BSD which is probably why I still have it around. Dual-boot is not permitted on any of my machines.
There was at one time an Alpha version you could actually buy,
Look again. There's an \alpha subdirectory on every Windows NT 4.0/3.51 CD-ROM that I have seen. So there's nothing 'extra' to buy. You buy a regular copy of NT 4.0 and you choose at that point wether to install it on an x86 or an Alpha system.
Obviously, there aren't Alpha binaries on the W2K CD release, as MS has abandoned Alpha.
Larry Ellison and Oracle are the developers of the Open Source package called Vapourware. Microsoft, in the past, has tried to steal their concepts, but Ellison, as the true pioneer in the field of FUD and Vapourware still 'owns' the market.
Actually, I recently discovered that there can be a CLI on MacOS. I was messing around a little in my new ($10 at a swapmeet) SE/30 (getting comfortable with the hardware before wiping out MacOS to install NetBSD), when I decided to install GNU Emacs on it.
I figured I would try the Shell just for kicks.
[META]-x-shell
voila! A command prompt on a Macintosh (within an Emacs buffer). All it had were the bare shell commands that Emacs afforded (ls, cd, a few others) but it was sort of fun to tool around in the directories of a Mac hard drive at the command line.
Of course now the little SE/30 has NetBSD on it. Still trying to round up an SE Ethernet card.
Be watching, because soon we'll have the meta-meta-Hellmouth discussion, where we discuss wether we should even be having this discussion about the discussion about whatever the heck "Hellmouth" was in the first place. (btw, does Katz have a copyright on the term Hellmouth"??)
I'm trying to figure out what "the lessons of Columbine" would be about.
The Weekly Standard magazine did a one year retrospective with an article about the Columbine Massacre a few weeks back. It's not been widely reported that the teacher inside the building who called 911 was told to keep the students inside the building. Further, the SWAT teams adopted a "play it safe, hands off" policy. They were ORDERED to not enter the school building. A dozen police officers stood outside at an entry that was within fifteen steps of the library and did nothing. This gave the killers the time to taunt and kill with impunity.
The engineers here where I work are mostly pushing the NT boxes off their desks and demanding new Sun hardware. NT has failed to live up to it's expectations for heavy-duty CAD work.
They are engineers, of course, not the office help. They run apps like Cadence, not Office.
They sell the GNU C Compiler (and Motif, for that matter) as part of the Interix Posix subsystem for NT. So are you going to back away from GCC because 'evil Microsoft' has touched it?
Actually, the country that will get the "prosperity" will be the country that allows the legal sale of DDOS services to economic interests who want stuff like this taken down in whatever way necessary.
Say, the Christmas Islands makes it legal to host sites that offer for-pay DDOS attacks to interests like the MPAA. . . Gonna complain that they're not playing fair??
I paid $300 for a 2x6 CDR drive, and it doesn't do CD-RW at all. However, I got it back in 1997, so I've had several years further use from it than if I'd waited. So I don't regret at all that it's an aged old dinosaur by today's standards. It's served me well, and if I'd waited... well, there's all sorts of data and stuff I'd still be streaming to tape or some other reliability/cost nightmare like Zip drive media.
And I'm not "stuck" with it. I can go out and buy a faster drive any time I want.
Microsoft has demonstrated (Java) and continues to demonstrate (Kerberos) that the price for allowing them bring standards and interoperability to the PC market is strict Microsoft control over implementations of said standards.
You picked the wrong culprit if you're trying to identify who has excercised strict control over the 'standard' for Java.
Sun has run whining like a spoiled greedy child from three standards commitees thus far because they didn't want to give up ANY control of Java.
My point? Microsoft isn't behaving any differently than anybody else.
I bought a DVD Player (set top box) at Circuit City about a month ago. The cheapest model was only $150. I've enjoyed having it, even if there aren't enough selections available for rent yet.
The 'Das Boot' DVD is just stunning. And I just got Brazil, which is quite nice as well.
Circuit City seems to be the only place with players that low. Don't make the mistake of buying an expensive player this early in the rollout of the format.
And if everybody talked, all the time, in a concert all, nobody would be able to hear the music. So all talking should be made illegal in concert halls.
If everybody honked their horn, all the time, when driving, nobody would be able to hear police sirens and move out of the way. So honking automobile horns should be made illegal.
I'm sorry, your hypothetical scenario is as ludicrous as the two above. You'll have to come up with a stronger reason why spam should be made illegal.
I am not in favor of blanket approval of all spam, by the way, nor am I 'trolling' with this comment. I'm just pointing out that any 'ban' can be justified by raising extreme cases why it is needed.
Had Microsoft not had the blessing of IBM the PC market would have been very different.
Possibly you weren't around back then, but in the era before the IBM PC, Microsoft was pretty strong with their Basic interpreter. It was resident in the ROMs of most computers of the day (machines without a DOS of any sort, just an Basic interpreter or a Monitor in ROM.) And CP/M machines had Microsoft Basic as well.
The DOS deal with IBM was definitely a windfall for Microsoft, but it did NOT make the company.
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I would second your observation. I had zero experience with Unix systems when I bought that Yggdrasil Plug-and-Play CDROM set (they called it LGX in their failed attempt to wrap Linux in their proprietary labelling) back in the Fall of 1993. After years of tooling around in Linux, one weekend, about two years ago, I decided to download NetBSD. The first machine I installed it on was a Toshiba Laptop, over NFS (exported from a Slackware box, of course). In NetBSD I discovered the clean design that I thought was in danger of disappearing in a cloud of proprietary packaging schemes like RPM.
Linux isn't 'ahead' on my home network. I have two NetBSD-x86 boxes, one NetBSD-Mac68K box (SE/30), and only one Slackware box. Slackware has the feel of BSD which is probably why I still have it around. Dual-boot is not permitted on any of my machines.
Also, I thought I remembered hearing, not that long ago, that salon.com switched to a Linux host.
There was at one time an Alpha version you could actually buy,
Look again. There's an \alpha subdirectory on every Windows NT 4.0/3.51 CD-ROM that I have seen. So there's nothing 'extra' to buy. You buy a regular copy of NT 4.0 and you choose at that point wether to install it on an x86 or an Alpha system.
Obviously, there aren't Alpha binaries on the W2K CD release, as MS has abandoned Alpha.
He wanted to read the mail in his Hotmail account. He said as much at the time. That's it.
Corel Draw has never been that good of a product.
Even back in the old days, Micrografx Designer was miles ahead of it.
What the hell!?! Where's the Leinenkugel?
Larry Ellison and Oracle are the developers of the Open Source package called Vapourware. Microsoft, in the past, has tried to steal their concepts, but Ellison, as the true pioneer in the field of FUD and Vapourware still 'owns' the market.
Actually, I recently discovered that there can be a CLI on MacOS. I was messing around a little in my new ($10 at a swapmeet) SE/30 (getting comfortable with the hardware before wiping out MacOS to install NetBSD), when I decided to install GNU Emacs on it.
I figured I would try the Shell just for kicks.
[META]-x-shell
voila! A command prompt on a Macintosh (within an Emacs buffer). All it had were the bare shell commands that Emacs afforded (ls, cd, a few others) but it was sort of fun to tool around in the directories of a Mac hard drive at the command line.
Of course now the little SE/30 has NetBSD on it. Still trying to round up an SE Ethernet card.
Yes. We've already had the Hellmouth discussion.
This is the meta-Hellmouth discussion.
Be watching, because soon we'll have the meta-meta-Hellmouth discussion, where we discuss wether we should even be having this discussion about the discussion about whatever the heck "Hellmouth" was in the first place. (btw, does Katz have a copyright on the term Hellmouth"??)
I'm trying to figure out what "the lessons of Columbine" would be about.
The Weekly Standard magazine did a one year retrospective with an article about the Columbine Massacre a few weeks back. It's not been widely reported that the teacher inside the building who called 911 was told to keep the students inside the building. Further, the SWAT teams adopted a "play it safe, hands off" policy. They were ORDERED to not enter the school building. A dozen police officers stood outside at an entry that was within fifteen steps of the library and did nothing. This gave the killers the time to taunt and kill with impunity.
The engineers here where I work are mostly pushing the NT boxes off their desks and demanding new Sun hardware. NT has failed to live up to it's expectations for heavy-duty CAD work.
They are engineers, of course, not the office help. They run apps like Cadence, not Office.
There you go again, calling an Amiga 3000 a commercial Unix box.
Microsoft is involved in a lot of things.
They sell the GNU C Compiler (and Motif, for that matter) as part of the Interix Posix subsystem for NT. So are you going to back away from GCC because 'evil Microsoft' has touched it?
QT has many of the same "problems" as Motif.
1. It is owned by a private entity.
2. Said private entity restricts how it may be used in commercial projects.
Of course Qt is available for Win32. Is that why you love it so?
Actually, the country that will get the "prosperity" will be the country that allows the legal sale of DDOS services to economic interests who want stuff like this taken down in whatever way necessary.
Say, the Christmas Islands makes it legal to host sites that offer for-pay DDOS attacks to interests like the MPAA. . . Gonna complain that they're not playing fair??
Yea, yeah, we know.
You're being oppressed by immoral laws that prevent you from enjoying someone else's creative work for free.
We feel for you, you're an oppressed victim. Have you written to Oprah yet?
Please cease your preachy pedantic ranting.
This is not the place for it. If you must rant and spam us, do it on your own site and provide a link.
thank you.
I paid $300 for a 2x6 CDR drive, and it doesn't do CD-RW at all. However, I got it back in 1997, so I've had several years further use from it than if I'd waited. So I don't regret at all that it's an aged old dinosaur by today's standards. It's served me well, and if I'd waited... well, there's all sorts of data and stuff I'd still be streaming to tape or some other reliability/cost nightmare like Zip drive media.
And I'm not "stuck" with it. I can go out and buy a faster drive any time I want.
Microsoft has demonstrated (Java) and continues to demonstrate (Kerberos) that the price for allowing them bring standards and interoperability to the PC market is strict Microsoft control over implementations of said standards.
You picked the wrong culprit if you're trying to identify who has excercised strict control over the 'standard' for Java.
Sun has run whining like a spoiled greedy child from three standards commitees thus far because they didn't want to give up ANY control of Java.
My point? Microsoft isn't behaving any differently than anybody else.
I bought a DVD Player (set top box) at Circuit City about a month ago. The cheapest model was only $150. I've enjoyed having it, even if there aren't enough selections available for rent yet.
The 'Das Boot' DVD is just stunning. And I just got Brazil, which is quite nice as well.
Circuit City seems to be the only place with players that low. Don't make the mistake of buying an expensive player this early in the rollout of the format.
On behalf of all Slashdot readers?
Shouldn't you speak for yourself?
What if I said "On behalf of all Slashdot readers, I hope you're run offline." (**)
I don't think any one account holder here can speak for all of us.
** using this as an example. It is not what I hope.
And if everybody talked, all the time, in a concert all, nobody would be able to hear the music. So all talking should be made illegal in concert halls.
If everybody honked their horn, all the time, when driving, nobody would be able to hear police sirens and move out of the way. So honking automobile horns should be made illegal.
I'm sorry, your hypothetical scenario is as ludicrous as the two above. You'll have to come up with a stronger reason why spam should be made illegal.
I am not in favor of blanket approval of all spam, by the way, nor am I 'trolling' with this comment. I'm just pointing out that any 'ban' can be justified by raising extreme cases why it is needed.
Had Microsoft not had the blessing of IBM the PC market would have been very different.
Possibly you weren't around back then, but in the era before the IBM PC, Microsoft was pretty strong with their Basic interpreter. It was resident in the ROMs of most computers of the day (machines without a DOS of any sort, just an Basic interpreter or a Monitor in ROM.) And CP/M machines had Microsoft Basic as well.
The DOS deal with IBM was definitely a windfall for Microsoft, but it did NOT make the company.
Be careful. If NS finds out you're thinking of switching, they'll revove your name, and sell it to someone they view as more 'friendly' to them.