Yeh, luckily the idea of libraries and bookstores were fairly well established before currect copyright laws.. otherwise, we would have no idea of fair use today.
I wonder why they don't send them via usps media mail. I mail cd's that way all the time, and I seriously doubt it would cost half of that to mail them. Its rediculous that HP expects customers to pay for something that they should have received in the first place.
This new way you describe is a myth. Everyone knows that.. altho some people that aren't so bright have to learn the hardway when they attempt to flash the roms of there cdr and dvd drives and mess them up.
I agree.. it seems perfectly obvious to anyone that isnt lying to themselves that a window that contains stuff and has an address bar can be used for both tasks that involve windows and address bars.. I have to catch myself from typing www.slashdot.org in the location bar in the beos filemanager since I am so used to it from Windows and KDE.
That is a totally ignorant comparison and if you are trying for anything than +1 funny or something, you have a serious problem with your thought process.
If your OS breaks, you pop in your windows cd and fix it.. if IE breaks, your run windows update or your pop in your cd and fix it.
install 98se and run ieradicator and see how stable the system is after words.. sure it will use less resources, but I seriously doubt it will be as stable as originally intented. Not to mention it doesnt actually remove all of IE. If you removed all of IE (which is part of the windows system in general) you better get used to the idea of a blank desktop and nothing else. The fact that the hs html engine is left is proof that they dont remove all of IE.. dlls associated with a product are generally removed when a product is removed.
They'd appologize about lying in court, and agree to release a bloatless operating system for sale. Then they would take windows, strip out IE, Outlook, *explorer, and also the tcpip stack. Have a great tool bar and stuff, and have no file manager. That would totally satisfy the courts, and no one would buy it because it wouldnt be at all useful, and ms could still sell XP for $200 a pop.
first off, you don't know what type of audience he's shooting for with these cds, second off, he never said it was mono audio or even audio in the first place.. Most college profs are big on using powerpoint and such combined with audio and video, in which case, a cdr would be the ideal choice, and is probably why said prof is looking at having someone make him a huge cd replicating box.
This is a problem that lends itself really easily to a windows/ commercial software solution. Discjuggler by padus has support for up to 250 burners or something huge like that.. So you could get win2k a gig of ram or so and 10+ scsi burners and be good to go.
(ob 9/11: why hasn't anyone arrested Stephen King for writing about a plane crashing into the network skyscraper?)
well, for 1 it was Stephen King who wrote a book similar to what happened on 9/11
for 2, the author that did did so because its was a common theory that the future of warfare would go that direction.. there are numerous books on terrorist activities that discuss such a possibility.
Nineteen states have passed anti-spam laws, but attempts to pass a national law have stumbled over opposition from direct marketers who say their activities would be unfairly limited.
Why do we listen to the complaints of these direct marketers.. No where in the constitution, do it say you have the right to annoy the piss out of random people and force solicitations down their throats. There is no such thing as good direct marketing. We need to end this bs and outlaw spam at the federal level.
I know on/. everytime something about spam comes up, people are quick to say that we shouldn't fight this with laws, we should fight it with technological means, but that obviously isn't working. I don't care how many people post procmail filters or whatever. Even if you filter it, your bandwidth is still wasted.
except if you bought a cd from kmart, opened it, discovered it didn't work in your cd player because it had some bizaare not really a cd stuff on it and took it back, you would be morally justified in returning it.
The analogy isn't really the same. If I am an artist and sell someone a print, they are free to sell the print again. I can sell them a license to the print saying they photocopy it and such, but they can still sell the physical copy of the print that I hand them. They could probably even sell the license to someone else.
This isn't about a patent on software, its about a patent on a technilogical concept commonly known as hyperlinking. Similar to the idea that MS has a patent on OS's which use overlapping windows and a taskbar containing a start button and a clock. The software implementation is not important. If I were to make a windows looking OS using java somehow and tried to call it windows and sell it, I would be violating their patent.
Granted, I think anyone trying to inforce a patent on hyperlinks, 40 or more years after the concept has been in common use, is rediculous.
The problem is that the Open Source Initiative would like to redefine common usage words to fit their particular meaning.
open source (no caps, no initiative) obviously implies that the source is open, or that you are able to see it. Nothing more, nothing less. With gnome you can see the source and tinker with it if you want.. its open source.. anyone that says otherwise is a dumbass.
there are all sorts of laws against spam in the US.. most of them are state laws, but I'm sure the feds could help out. Not to mention that scamming people is definately illegal whether they use spam or not.
Yeh she should have borrowed some money from her boss and acted legitimately interested when she called these people.. then she should have got a bunch of info about them and posted that in her story..
Arkanes (why do you post without using your real name?), He did not arbitrarily decide what "open source" is. Open source is a trademarked term, and there is a definition [opensource.org], as defined by the trademark owners, of what does and does not entail "open source" software. As it turns out, bungie.net software release can not properlly be called "open source".
IIRC, the trademark was refused, and even if it wasn't, no one here at/. believe in being able to trade mark common usage words anyway..
It never fails to amuse me how one minute people here are complaining that they can't call something killustrator, because adobe has trademarked the common word illustrator, but then they insist that people can't call source code that is open open source without pissing off the OpenSource nazi's..
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Yeh, luckily the idea of libraries and bookstores were fairly well established before currect copyright laws.. otherwise, we would have no idea of fair use today.
I wonder why they don't send them via usps media mail. I mail cd's that way all the time, and I seriously doubt it would cost half of that to mail them. Its rediculous that HP expects customers to pay for something that they should have received in the first place.
not its not too bad at all.. its pretty entertaining..
This new way you describe is a myth. Everyone knows that.. altho some people that aren't so bright have to learn the hardway when they attempt to flash the roms of there cdr and dvd drives and mess them up.
I agree.. it seems perfectly obvious to anyone that isnt lying to themselves that a window that contains stuff and has an address bar can be used for both tasks that involve windows and address bars.. I have to catch myself from typing www.slashdot.org in the location bar in the beos filemanager since I am so used to it from Windows and KDE.
That is a totally ignorant comparison and if you are trying for anything than +1 funny or something, you have a serious problem with your thought process.
If your OS breaks, you pop in your windows cd and fix it.. if IE breaks, your run windows update or your pop in your cd and fix it.
install 98se and run ieradicator and see how stable the system is after words.. sure it will use less resources, but I seriously doubt it will be as stable as originally intented. Not to mention it doesnt actually remove all of IE. If you removed all of IE (which is part of the windows system in general) you better get used to the idea of a blank desktop and nothing else. The fact that the hs html engine is left is proof that they dont remove all of IE.. dlls associated with a product are generally removed when a product is removed.
They'd appologize about lying in court, and agree to release a bloatless operating system for sale. Then they would take windows, strip out IE, Outlook, *explorer, and also the tcpip stack. Have a great tool bar and stuff, and have no file manager. That would totally satisfy the courts, and no one would buy it because it wouldnt be at all useful, and ms could still sell XP for $200 a pop.
first off, you don't know what type of audience he's shooting for with these cds, second off, he never said it was mono audio or even audio in the first place.. Most college profs are big on using powerpoint and such combined with audio and video, in which case, a cdr would be the ideal choice, and is probably why said prof is looking at having someone make him a huge cd replicating box.
This is a problem that lends itself really easily to a windows/ commercial software solution. Discjuggler by padus has support for up to 250 burners or something huge like that.. So you could get win2k a gig of ram or so and 10+ scsi burners and be good to go.
(ob 9/11: why hasn't anyone arrested Stephen King for writing about a plane crashing into the network skyscraper?)
well, for 1 it was Stephen King who wrote a book similar to what happened on 9/11
for 2, the author that did did so because its was a common theory that the future of warfare would go that direction.. there are numerous books on terrorist activities that discuss such a possibility.
of course they license the technology, the ship immersion brand software with their ifeel mice..
Nineteen states have passed anti-spam laws, but attempts to pass a national law have stumbled over opposition from direct marketers who say their activities would be unfairly limited.
/. everytime something about spam comes up, people are quick to say that we shouldn't fight this with laws, we should fight it with technological means, but that obviously isn't working. I don't care how many people post procmail filters or whatever. Even if you filter it, your bandwidth is still wasted.
Why do we listen to the complaints of these direct marketers.. No where in the constitution, do it say you have the right to annoy the piss out of random people and force solicitations down their throats. There is no such thing as good direct marketing. We need to end this bs and outlaw spam at the federal level.
I know on
This seems like good news for those of still stuck with 3dfx brand chipsets..
except if you bought a cd from kmart, opened it, discovered it didn't work in your cd player because it had some bizaare not really a cd stuff on it and took it back, you would be morally justified in returning it.
The analogy isn't really the same. If I am an artist and sell someone a print, they are free to sell the print again. I can sell them a license to the print saying they photocopy it and such, but they can still sell the physical copy of the print that I hand them. They could probably even sell the license to someone else.
So apparently, possession really is 9/10's of the law
you can do both those in java if you know how..
This isn't about a patent on software, its about a patent on a technilogical concept commonly known as hyperlinking. Similar to the idea that MS has a patent on OS's which use overlapping windows and a taskbar containing a start button and a clock. The software implementation is not important. If I were to make a windows looking OS using java somehow and tried to call it windows and sell it, I would be violating their patent.
Granted, I think anyone trying to inforce a patent on hyperlinks, 40 or more years after the concept has been in common use, is rediculous.
The problem is that the Open Source Initiative would like to redefine common usage words to fit their particular meaning.
open source (no caps, no initiative) obviously implies that the source is open, or that you are able to see it. Nothing more, nothing less. With gnome you can see the source and tinker with it if you want.. its open source.. anyone that says otherwise is a dumbass.
there are all sorts of laws against spam in the US.. most of them are state laws, but I'm sure the feds could help out. Not to mention that scamming people is definately illegal whether they use spam or not.
Yeh she should have borrowed some money from her boss and acted legitimately interested when she called these people.. then she should have got a bunch of info about them and posted that in her story..
yeh.. that site popped up a "you've won a free toolset from the american homeowners association.." ad..
The FTC encourages consumers to forward unsolicited commercial spam to uce@ftc.gov.
Guess I have someone else than abuse.net to forward unsolicited spam to now..
Arkanes (why do you post without using your real name?), He did not arbitrarily decide what "open source" is. Open source is a trademarked term, and there is a definition [opensource.org], as defined by the trademark owners, of what does and does not entail "open source" software. As it turns out, bungie.net software release can not properlly be called "open source".
/. believe in being able to trade mark common usage words anyway..
IIRC, the trademark was refused, and even if it wasn't, no one here at
It never fails to amuse me how one minute people here are complaining that they can't call something killustrator, because adobe has trademarked the common word illustrator, but then they insist that people can't call source code that is open open source without pissing off the OpenSource nazi's..