The gold bar I have under my bed has value even if no one knows about it.
Of course I anticipated that response. The answer is no, it does not, until someone else knows about it and attributes value to it.
And the assertion that information only has value "if it is secret" fails to assail the proposition that since it has value it is property.
I took issue with the proposition that everything which has value is property. Plenty of other counter-examples could be offered. For instance, a solid marriage also holds some intangible amount of value, and by cheating on him this woman destroyed some of that value; according to your definition, that’s destruction of property. Should she be charged with vandalism? No. That would be silly.
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I’m not “clone53421”, learn to read moron. And that wasn’t my script, I just stepped into the fray to let everyone know you’re a full retard.
P.S. The idea that “information wants to be free” is actually just another way of saying that the roadway from “secret” to “public” is a one-way street.
However I have no problem with the notion that some information can (or even should) be secret. That’s obvious.
If all they do is get access to them, there would be no consequences. But I suspect that what you’re actually suggesting is that they’d use that access to commit fraud, and probably take things that I do consider “property”. Like money.
I believe that information is either secret or it isn’t. However in no sense of the word is it “property”.
All of this is really begging the question of why she left the book of passwords next to the computer in the first place. Was it under the naive impression that he’d never use them? Or did he need them to pay bills and such?
Also, their stories don’t jive, which means one of them is lying:
In the preliminary exam, Clara Walker testified that although Leon Walker had purchased the laptop for her, it was hers alone and she kept the password a secret.
Leon Walker told the Free Press he routinely used the computer and that she kept all of her passwords in a small book next to the computer.
"It was a family computer," he said. "I did work on it all the time."
It should be a very easy matter to find out whether or not he used it regularly, as he claims. If so I’d say that shoots her entire lawsuit down... if she thinks she has to lie to make her case, it means she has no case.
No, and I’m glad somebody’s finally taking some steps to deal with them.
(In all seriousness though*, there’s a theory that life on earth was “seeded” from outer space... so maybe they really are woodpeckers from space! Imma go get my tinfoil now.)
You’re confusing the issue unnecessarily, and you’re incorrect. The “North Magnetic Pole” is the one geographically near to the North Pole, although it is magnetically a south pole.
That small bit of sugar would be lost in the volume of sugar in a typical diet anyway. It’s doubtful that it would make any significant difference. It’s like adding a pinch of sand to a desert (but not to a dessert... you’d definitely notice it then).
For once, a perfect example of when Occam’s razor should legitimately be used.
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Alexander Peter Kowalski, going on a tirade because somebody actually had the audacious nerve to NOT REINVENT THE WHEEL!
Tell me, Alexander Peter Kowalski, what operating system do you use? Did you write it yourself? HA. I’m betting your own precious program made some system calls to CODE YOU DIDN’T WRITE, too!
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Yes, I can do that. 8 wget invocations to get the data, cat the 8 resulting files into sed 's/[[:space:]]/\t/', pipe into sort, pipe into uniq. Job Done. Why does your program take 20 minutes to do this very, very simple process?
But his is written in Visual Basic and has pretty ASCII art in the title bar!
if by physical symptoms you mean the kind of symptoms you can get from saying "BOO" behind someone's back, or by giving them a kitten to pet, then yes...psychosomatic illness can cause physical symptoms.
The funny part is that you obviously think that’s sarcastic. Yes, like those physical symptoms, which you obviously underestimate.
However, when rational people discuss it we mean completely different things
Rational people don’t start arguments based on the fact that they have an alternate definition of a word and like to start arguments. Fuck off, troll.
The content inside WoW can only be accessed via a client which Blizzard controls.
I understood glider uses the proper client.
You misunderstood the part where Blizzard controls the client. As soon as you start Glider, you are breaking the ToS on Blizzard’s client and you no longer have the right to use it.
The only physical symptoms a psychosomatic "illness" can cause are the obvious things like hypertension, panic attacks, etc.
Studies have shown that people with allergies can experience allergic reaction symptoms similar to if they were actually exposed to the allergen if they are given a placebo and told it contained the allergen. But you probably don’t think that allergic reactions count as “physical symptoms”, either.
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The gold bar I have under my bed has value even if no one knows about it.
Of course I anticipated that response. The answer is no, it does not, until someone else knows about it and attributes value to it.
And the assertion that information only has value "if it is secret" fails to assail the proposition that since it has value it is property.
I took issue with the proposition that everything which has value is property. Plenty of other counter-examples could be offered. For instance, a solid marriage also holds some intangible amount of value, and by cheating on him this woman destroyed some of that value; according to your definition, that’s destruction of property. Should she be charged with vandalism? No. That would be silly.
I’m not “clone53421”, learn to read moron. And that wasn’t my script, I just stepped into the fray to let everyone know you’re a full retard.
Information has value, and thus it is property
Information only has value if it is secret, and thus it is not property; property only has value if it is not secret.
P.S. The idea that “information wants to be free” is actually just another way of saying that the roadway from “secret” to “public” is a one-way street.
However I have no problem with the notion that some information can (or even should) be secret. That’s obvious.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything you just said could have been avoided if you’d have re-read the 2nd paragraph in the post above it.
If all they do is get access to them, there would be no consequences. But I suspect that what you’re actually suggesting is that they’d use that access to commit fraud, and probably take things that I do consider “property”. Like money.
I believe that information is either secret or it isn’t. However in no sense of the word is it “property”.
fertilizing your donkey
I can definitely understand why you’d want to use a fake profile for that sort of thing.
Already done.
All of this is really begging the question of why she left the book of passwords next to the computer in the first place. Was it under the naive impression that he’d never use them? Or did he need them to pay bills and such?
Also, their stories don’t jive, which means one of them is lying:
In the preliminary exam, Clara Walker testified that although Leon Walker had purchased the laptop for her, it was hers alone and she kept the password a secret.
Leon Walker told the Free Press he routinely used the computer and that she kept all of her passwords in a small book next to the computer.
"It was a family computer," he said. "I did work on it all the time."
It should be a very easy matter to find out whether or not he used it regularly, as he claims. If so I’d say that shoots her entire lawsuit down... if she thinks she has to lie to make her case, it means she has no case.
Only if you believe that information is property.
I thought it wasn’t due till 2011...
(Yeah, I know. Just pointing it out... I thought the headline was pretty misleading.)
No, and I’m glad somebody’s finally taking some steps to deal with them.
(In all seriousness though*, there’s a theory that life on earth was “seeded” from outer space... so maybe they really are woodpeckers from space! Imma go get my tinfoil now.)
*not really
Is the magnetic south pole *exactly* opposite of the north magnetic pole?
Not according to Wikipedia (citation needed).
Do they move in tandem?
Sort of.
You’re confusing the issue unnecessarily, and you’re incorrect. The “North Magnetic Pole” is the one geographically near to the North Pole, although it is magnetically a south pole.
Besides, if this man can't protect the child, what's the first husband going to be able to do, since she clearly has custody?
Um, perhaps he could take the e-mails to court and try to get custody?!
But wait... He can also read and type, which is more than some college graduates!
That small bit of sugar would be lost in the volume of sugar in a typical diet anyway. It’s doubtful that it would make any significant difference. It’s like adding a pinch of sand to a desert (but not to a dessert... you’d definitely notice it then).
For once, a perfect example of when Occam’s razor should legitimately be used.
Alexander Peter Kowalski, going on a tirade because somebody actually had the audacious nerve to NOT REINVENT THE WHEEL!
Tell me, Alexander Peter Kowalski, what operating system do you use? Did you write it yourself? HA. I’m betting your own precious program made some system calls to CODE YOU DIDN’T WRITE, too!
Yes, I can do that. 8 wget invocations to get the data, cat the 8 resulting files into sed 's/[[:space:]]/\t/', pipe into sort, pipe into uniq. Job Done. Why does your program take 20 minutes to do this very, very simple process?
But his is written in Visual Basic and has pretty ASCII art in the title bar!
if by physical symptoms you mean the kind of symptoms you can get from saying "BOO" behind someone's back, or by giving them a kitten to pet, then yes...psychosomatic illness can cause physical symptoms.
The funny part is that you obviously think that’s sarcastic. Yes, like those physical symptoms, which you obviously underestimate.
However, when rational people discuss it we mean completely different things
Rational people don’t start arguments based on the fact that they have an alternate definition of a word and like to start arguments. Fuck off, troll.
I didn't imply that it did, I was quoting you.
You did so:
"hypertension" includes things like heart rhythm and blood pressure
you told me I was wrong because of an example of ... wait for it...high blood pressure, which I had already said
And heart rhythm, which you hadn’t. And those were just cherry-picked from a whole list of other things, which you also hadn’t said.
The content inside WoW can only be accessed via a client which Blizzard controls.
I understood glider uses the proper client.
You misunderstood the part where Blizzard controls the client. As soon as you start Glider, you are breaking the ToS on Blizzard’s client and you no longer have the right to use it.
The only physical symptoms a psychosomatic "illness" can cause are the obvious things like hypertension, panic attacks, etc.
Studies have shown that people with allergies can experience allergic reaction symptoms similar to if they were actually exposed to the allergen if they are given a placebo and told it contained the allergen. But you probably don’t think that allergic reactions count as “physical symptoms”, either.
Oh, and hypertension has nothing to do with heart rhythm. You fail.