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North Magnetic Pole Racing Toward Siberia

RogerRoast sends along a backgrounder from Scientific American on the best current theory as to why the north magnetic pole drifts. "The NMP, also known as the dip pole, is the point on Earth where the planet's magnetic field points straight down into the ground. Scottish explorer James Clark Ross first located the NMP in 1831 on the Boothia Peninsula in what is now northern Canada... [T]he NMP drifts from year to year as geophysical processes within Earth change. For more than 150 years after Ross's measurement its movement was gradual, generally less than 15 kilometers per year. But then, in the 1990s, it picked up speed, ... bolting north–northwest into the Arctic Ocean at more than 55 kilometers per year. If it keeps going it could pass the geographic north pole in a decade or so and carry on toward Siberia."

187 comments

  1. Eeep! by jd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will Putin's ambitions stop at nothing?

    (Besides, a fast-moving magnetic pole screws up the UK's Ordinance Survey maps, which are magnetic north aligned.)

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    1. Re:Eeep! by xs650 · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, the moving magnetic pole will eventually improve the Survey Maps by forcing the Brits to get away from using mag north for their survey maps.

    2. Re:Eeep! by toastar · · Score: 1

      a fast-moving magnetic pole screws up the UK's Ordinance Survey maps, which are magnetic north aligned.)

      This sounds really dumb, The British pretty much wrote the book on geodesy.

    3. Re:Eeep! by jc79 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Parent is wrong. Ordnance Survey maps are NOT magnetic north aligned. They are aligned to OS Grid North, which is fixed wrt the UK (but not congruent with True North). Each printed map sheet has a diagram indicating the deviation from grid north of magnetic north at the centre of the sheet at a given epoch. When taking a bearing with a protractor compass, it is necessary to account for the magnetic deviation before following that bearing (in Scotland, magnetic north is currently 2 deg west of grid north).

    4. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ordnance Survey Maps don't use Magnetic North, but they do give you an offset with expected annual deviation

      And they are probably one of the best maps available

    5. Re:Eeep! by angiasaa · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is.... No one knows if this speed-up is a natural cycle, or if there's really something out of whack with the core.

      Either way, who cares? I'm still waiting for the space-travel thingy those ministers of finance refused to fund?

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    6. Re:Eeep! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Personally I just want my castle down here on earth. Just need someone to build it with. What is the cost and how much can you do alone? Are there any nice cliffs somewhere where I could build it? =P

      Yeah. off-topic for sure. But if we're to be dreaming why not :)

      Much more likely than large scale space travel. Where should we go in the first place? =P

    7. Re:Eeep! by pilgrim23 · · Score: 0

      Be the first on your block to blame Climate Change.

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    8. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew that fucker was scouting Santa behind our backs.

    9. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its Bush's fault.

    10. Re:Eeep! by Kagura · · Score: 1

      Ordnance Survey Maps don't use Magnetic North, but they do give you an offset with expected annual deviation

      And they are probably one of the best maps available

      No, but compasses do, which means the maps themselves grow out-of-date faster and faster. You will need to update your magnetic deviation value more often.

    11. Re:Eeep! by Kagura · · Score: 1

      Parent is wrong. Ordnance Survey maps are NOT magnetic north aligned. They are aligned to OS Grid North, which is fixed wrt the UK (but not congruent with True North). Each printed map sheet has a diagram indicating the deviation from grid north of magnetic north at the centre of the sheet at a given epoch. When taking a bearing with a protractor compass, it is necessary to account for the magnetic deviation before following that bearing (in Scotland, magnetic north is currently 2 deg west of grid north).

      But that magnetic deviation (example: add 8.5 degrees when converting from grid north to magnetic north) will need to be update more often than it used to be, as that value changes.

    12. Re:Eeep! by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Canada's military will quickly put a stop to this naked greed.

      Our extensive submarine and naval fleet, combined with our land forces will make short work of restoring the position of our pole.

      We will keep a firm grip on our pole and never let it go!

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    13. Re:Eeep! by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The funny thing is.... No one knows if this speed-up is a natural cycle, or if there's really something out of whack with the core.

      There being no artificial means of altering the magnetic field of the entire planet, you can rest assured that the speed up is a natural occurrence. /smirk

      As for it being part of a cycle, magnetic pole wandering, and indeed complete reversals, while documented in geology, follow no easily discernible pattern over time, with long periods of stability followed by many reversals over a short period.

      There are some claim the pattern is a Lévy distribution, but this has yet to be proven, and that fact by itself provides no predictive capabilities.

      There is a pretty good wiki article on this. The article includes a time-chart showing reversals of the magnetic field. There are very long periods of stability, as well as periods of frequent short reversals.

      Magnetic Pole reversals happen over a period of time of tens of thousands of years, and a reversal is proceeded by a diminishing of field strength, not necessarily by pole wandering. The current rate of field strength weakening suggests a reversal sometime in the years 3000-4000.

      So the speed up of the NMP's movement is not significant in estimating a reversal, and a reversal does not signify anything out of "whack" with the core of the earth.

      It is a perfectly natural thing that has occurred many many many times. And yes, mankind has lived thru reversals entirely unaware.

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    14. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cool calculator

      http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/magfield.shtml

      or just google geomag

    15. Re:Eeep! by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      too late, we in the USA have already decided we're going to regime-change the pole. It's on the planetary Axis of Evil along with the South Pole and the Earth's Center!

    16. Re:Eeep! by mindwhip · · Score: 0

      The funny thing is.... No one knows if this speed-up is a natural cycle, or if there's really something out of whack with the core.

      My money's on it being solar flairs and accelerated by the cumulative magnetic fields on all those electric/hybrid engines that are supposed to be 'good' for the planet...

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    17. Re:Eeep! by mindwhip · · Score: 1

      Doh! voice recognition failure alert! ;)

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    18. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh.

    19. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They are aligned to OS Grid North, which is fixed wrt the UK (but not congruent with True North).

      Sure. Blame Canada!

    20. Re:Eeep! by rubycodez · · Score: 0

      oh, you imagine Bush would know the difference between magnetic and rotational poles?

    21. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      isn't one of them in the 57th state? You know, the one between Illinois and Kentucky?

    22. Re:Eeep! by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      usgs maps show the deviation as of a particular date, and an indication of the amount to add/subtract for each year after that. so the user will have to do a bit more arithmetic - "x degrees per year through 200x, y degrees per year after that" will probably do reasonably well.

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    23. Re:Eeep! by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      iirc recent evidence has shown that it is (often?) preceded by mini-poles appearing in many places, and sometimes the shift may have happened in a few decades.

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    24. Re:Eeep! by davburns · · Score: 1

      It seems appropriate to make a joke about the Mall in Edmonton, but I haven't had enough caffeine today.

    25. Re:Eeep! by SharpFang · · Score: 2

      "And yes, mankind has lived thru reversals entirely unaware." Only if you really stretch the definition of mankind.

      The last reversal occured 780,000 years ago.
      Homo heidelbergensis, the direct ancestor of both Homo neanderthalensis and Homo sapiens lived about 600,000 years ago.
      If you're willing to call the pre-Neanderthal population of genus Homo the "mankind", then yes, it lived through the reversals.

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    26. Re:Eeep! by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Y'all better not be waving no boats and subs around, ya dang dirty Canucks! Y'all done pulled one act of war on the great US of Frickin A by letting that damned harpy Celine Dion loose like a fricking Nasgul, y'all pull anything else and we'll be liberating your asses! At least those dang Ruskies been keeping their bing bong racket to themselves after we kicked them damned Gorky Park triangle playing weirdos back to Moscow. So don't be actin' funny now, or we may have to liberate your asses! Them Hummers don't run on solar power ya know.

      As for TFA, is there a possibility the speed up means we are getting ready for another Pole Flip? Because if so I think that would not be a good thing here. If the poles were to flip, what kind of damage are we talking? I know if we were to have another solar storm like we had in the mid 1800s we are talking pretty much all electrical grids possibly going poof, all the sats fried, basically a giant clusterfuck. How much of our tech depends on magnetic compasses? Are we talking minor fuck up, or worldwide disaster here? Because making THAT big a jump, from 15k to 55k just all of a sudden, does seem like there is something going on down in the core. So what are the odds of a worldwide bit flip, and how much of a mess would it cause?

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    27. Re:Eeep! by Kongzilla · · Score: 1

      Where do you think we live, Poland?

    28. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who has navigated a vessel across oceans with paper charts, and no satelitte assistance, knows this well.

    29. Re:Eeep! by pilgrim23 · · Score: 1

      Oh sorry, I meant to say "Previous Administration" but my script writer was late getting it in. Thanks for the update...

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    30. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but did they rely on the magnetic field similarly to how we do today?

    31. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you confusing and obamanoid with Bush?

    32. Re:Eeep! by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

      That would be sensible - as the dipole moment passes through 0, the higher moments dominate and that Earth's magnetic field is a tangled mess becomes apparent on the surface.

    33. Re:Eeep! by dietdew7 · · Score: 1

      Since he was a military pilot, I bet he does.

    34. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Q) And what is it that Dick Cheney wishes for every morning as he wakes up? A) That he was Vladmir Putin.

    35. Re:Eeep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But could a drunk incurious hayseed such as himself ever enunciate them properly?

    36. Re:Eeep! by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      As for protection against cosmic radiation and solar wind, yes, they did.

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    37. Re:Eeep! by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      imteresting - i never thought of it in those terms. It makes more sense now. thx!

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    38. Re:Eeep! by jd · · Score: 1

      I suggest using the Scootish Broch design rather than Motte-and-Baily. The latter is arguably better for defense but isn't nearly as impressive.

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    39. Re:Eeep! by jd · · Score: 1

      They're close enough to human to become lawyers.

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    40. Re:Eeep! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I like the one at the cliff edge in Lord of the rings (the third movie, whatever it's called, sorry for not being enough of a fantasy nerd :D)

      Also the dark one with greenish light is obviously nice as well. And anything fit for a vampire, think stone walls and Viva la Bam interior :D

      Well check up the designs ;D

    41. Re:Eeep! by bkaul01 · · Score: 1

      (Besides, a fast-moving magnetic pole screws up the UK's Ordinance Survey maps, which are magnetic north aligned.)

      Would that be survey maps of local laws, or survey maps whose creation is mandated by law?

    42. Re:Eeep! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Meeh, both where lame :(

      The Dracula castle in Romania:
      http://www.wayfaring.info/images/castel_bran_aka_dracula_castle.jpg

      Malbork castle in Poland:
      http://pictures.polandforall.com/images/malbork-castle-bridge-towers-dansker-high-castle.jpg

      Bastille, France:
      http://www.napoleonguide.com/images/pixs_bastille.jpg

      Svartsjö slott here in Sweden, was wasted being used as a prison :(
      http://www.ekero.se/imagemod/AvanEvents/16f73101-570f-4eb5-a4de-084ce249efa2/svartsjo_____resize_s_460_230.gif
      http://www.slottsguiden.info/slott/17_2.jpg

      The castle here in my home town, Örebro:
      http://www.paranormal.nu/orebro-01-high.jpg
      http://www.lst.se/NR/rdonlyres/FDD91C98-E374-485B-BBBD-EB1100972407/0/slottet3RogerLundberg.jpg
      http://img.geocaching.com/cache/1971731f-90fc-4780-aa67-8f13a6dc24e4.jpg
      http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/1163049.jpg
      http://www.thegogglesdonothing.com/photos/d/415-4/IMG_2550.jpg
      http://www.remains.se/gallery/photo458dba988b2e5.jpg

      Kalmar slott, also Sweden:
      http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00280/kalmarslott_280791b.jpg
      http://www.malinken.com/wedding/bilder/kalmarslott.jpg
      http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1563728-KALMAR_SLOTT_KALMAR-Kalmar.jpg
      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Kalmar_slott.jpg

      The city wall of Visby, also Sweden:
      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZARBRqLx-r4/SKmM6KTCgTI/AAAAAAAAC3g/gPpbJrmhVxs/s400/Stadsmuren+i+Visby+på+Gotland.jpg
      http://www.hagen.web.surftown.se/Visby%20torn%20med%20fanan.jpg
      http://www.topcastles.com/images/large/visby.jpg
      All: http://www.slottsguiden.info/slott/163_4.jpg
      http://www.guteinfo.com/scripts/bilder/info/1248.jpg

      Not that Scottish tribe shit ;)

      Castles are cool :)

      Helsingborg:
      http://cache.virtualtourist.com/2110709-Travel_Picture-Helsingborg.jpg

    43. Re:Eeep! by angiasaa · · Score: 1

      I should have put it across with better clarity. My bad.. :(

      What I mean to say is that no one knows if the speed-up of the pole-wandering is a natural cycle or if it is a natural cycle (as opposed to it being a natural occurrence).

      Shifting poles was not in my mind at the time, but thanks for the wiki-link. Very interesting stuff indeed! :)

      A speed-up of the pole-wandering, if unexpected, suggests the lack of historic data describing similar speed increases. We know it's wandering rapidly today, but we don't know if it's normal.

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    44. Re:Eeep! by icebike · · Score: 1

      Speed of wandering over pre-historic time can only be measured by localized deposits of volcanic rock that was magnetized as it hardened. This can leave layers after repeated eruptions that are magnetized in different orientations.

      After some 400 years of relative stability, (see: http://www.tgo.uit.no/articl/magnorpe.gif ), the North Magnetic Pole, previously wandering in a localized area, has moved nearly 1,100 kilometers out into the Arctic Ocean (in roughly a straight line) during the last century.

      There is not that much difference in the total distance moved, the significance is that the direction has changed from a loop to a line.

      However, prior to 400 years ago, nobody was paying that much attention, and volcanic deposits over such a time scale are not all that easy to investigate. Lots of digging in rock and stuff. I'm not sure how good the geologic record is prior to 1600s.

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    45. Re:Eeep! by angiasaa · · Score: 1

      You make a very good case, and explain it very well. Thanks for the clarification. I figured they'd have to dig up volcanic rocks to figure out the nature of pole movement, but I did not account for the the mammoth extent of the task.

      Just so I'm clear about this, does the south pole wander too, or is it relatively static?

      Assuming that the wandering is caused by variations in the flow of sub-surface magma, is it possible to measure the same from the surface, or are we restricted to looking through lava tubes and eruption orifices?

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    46. Re:Eeep! by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      that's what his job description said, but he rarely actually showed up for duty. Just as well, what with his brain being addled with cocaine and booze abuse.

  2. Too many cliches! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First Pole!

    In siberian Russia, north becomes you!

    1. Re:Too many cliches! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?

    2. Re:Too many cliches! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with fuckin's miracles.

  3. Our molten core is shifting by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    The probable cause of this is a sudden shift in the tilt of our molten core. This would realign our magnetic poles.

    But it may also be indicative of a bigger problem. There was a film a few years back which explored the possibility of a sudden loss of angular momentum within the Earth's core. Without the spinning core, the magnetic field would be lost and our planet would lose the protection afforded to us by the magnetosphere. Essentially, we would become windswept by the solar wind and would end up without an atmosphere, much like Mars.

    The solution, the scientists in the film agreed, was to prepare several nuclear bombs which could be transported to the edge of the core (below the mantle) and detonated, thus restarting the spinning core. It seemed like a crazy theory, but with this sudden acceleration of the NMP, I think it might be wise to keep an eye on all of our options.

    1. Re:Our molten core is shifting by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      I bet the core is shifting because of the popularity of neodymium magnets.
      Damn kids buying them on the internet and shifting the balance.

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    2. Re:Our molten core is shifting by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Essentially, we would become windswept by the solar wind and would end up without an atmosphere, much like Mars.

      I don't get it, could you rephrase that as a worse analogy?

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    3. Re:Our molten core is shifting by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      I had to look at your handle before I got that you were joking. :)

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    4. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1, Informative

      Luckily the core is pretty absurdly massive. It's not going to suddenly lose all of it's kinetic energy without dumping it somewhere, a process which undoubtedly would be pretty impressive and noticeable.

      Also, that movie was terrible. ;) (and not just for it's absurd physics, because Sunshine (with an even more absurd premise) was actually pretty good)

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    5. Re:Our molten core is shifting by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      The solution, the scientists in the film agreed, was to prepare several nuclear bombs which could be transported to the edge of the core (below the mantle) and detonated, thus restarting the spinning core.

      Nuclear bombs, detonated in the Earth's core. Seems rather Wile E. Coyote-ish. What could possibly go wrong?

    6. Re:Our molten core is shifting by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      The solution, the scientists in the film agreed, was to prepare several nuclear bombs which could be transported to the edge of the core (below the mantle) and detonated, thus restarting the spinning core.

      Sounds fantastic... anybody have back-of-the-napkin numbers as to how much energy it might take to restart the core spinning? I'm surprised that only a few nukes would do it.

    7. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      That movie was a crap movie. Core wasnt it?

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    8. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      It will be like when you forget to wax your nice sportscar, and the elements strip off the nice red shine.

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    9. Re:Our molten core is shifting by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Informative

      The biggest problem is if the molten core shifts around, then the localized heat sources change, which changes the temperature of the ground surface, the oceans, and the atmosphere given enough time. This would eventually lead to civilization-annoying weather pattern changes, causing regular cycling climates (hot summer, cold snowy winter) to become either more extreme (hotter summer, colder winter) or tilted (hotter summer, winters that are cold and rainy). This of course distorts any functioning agrarian society while the whole disaster continues; things have to be moved around after the weather settles down again.

      And for the record, the earth's magnetic core is a molten iron blob subject to magnetic fields. The sun is a huge nuclear generator radiating a huge magnetic field. What happens when you rotate one around the other? Hint: nuclear bombs won't produce the kind of momentum that keeps that much metal spinning for millions of years... that would blow the whole planet to dust.

    10. Re:Our molten core is shifting by plover · · Score: 1

      Was that the made-for-SciFi-channel movie featuring Wil Wheaton as one of the scientists? I tuned in about halfway through and hadn't yet absorbed enough plotyons for it to keep my attention, so I never saw the end.

      But in terms of science and plausibility, I found the Mongolian Death Worm movie to be much more realistic.

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    11. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Inf0phreak · · Score: 2

      Who cares about Molten Core?! You're three expansions late, dude.

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    12. Re:Our molten core is shifting by DriedClexler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Climate shifts are due to the shifting magnetic properties of the earth's core?

      ~*SWEEEET!*~

      Thanks for giving me my latest skeptical counter-theory to anthropogenic global warming!

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    13. Re:Our molten core is shifting by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0

      The sun expanding would make the earth hotter too. actually, the anthropogenic global warming crowd occasionally brings up that livestock farming is hands-down the biggest cause of global warming. Because of the emissions from the animals, mind you.

      I remember when they told us it was driving cars...

    14. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

      That was one of the best documentaries I'd seen in a while.

    15. Re:Our molten core is shifting by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      It's about 3 football fields of uninhabitability

    16. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, please don't pretend PETA are representative of scientists in this debate.

      It's embarrassing to both sides of the debate to see PETA even mentioned in the same sentence as a scientific theory.

    17. Re:Our molten core is shifting by babywhiz · · Score: 1

      I blame Ragnaros.....

    18. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you need to go back and study a little more science.

      First rule of science: go where the data leads you. When we learn more about the way our universe works, we update our thoughts about the way the universe works.

      Second Rule of science: Investigate the sources of reports. If the main source is not a scientist in the field of study, and/or it was paid for by a notoriously insane group that is not respected by the scientific community at large, do not trust. PETA is one such group. They just want people to not kill animals. They don't really care why you don't kill animals, they just want you to not kill animals. So, they try to provide as many reasons why you shouldn't as possible. If you presented them with a "study" that showed them that raising animals to be killed caused the earthquake in Haiti, they would probably post it on their website.

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    19. Re:Our molten core is shifting by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Luckily the core is pretty absurdly massive. It's not going to suddenly lose all of it's kinetic energy without dumping it somewhere, a process which undoubtedly would be pretty impressive and noticeable.

      I prefer to think of it with commas, as "pretty, impressive, and noticeable". :)

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    20. Re:Our molten core is shifting by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      That's because they wouldn't. He's quoting Bad Movie Science (which can be read with equal validity as "(Bad Movie) Science" or "Bad (Movie Science)").

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    21. Re:Our molten core is shifting by captaindynamo · · Score: 1

      Nah, its global warming. Its right there in the summary tag.

    22. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      No no no, are you crazy?

      Think of it this way. The planet's shields are effectively down. All we need to do is fill a photon torpedo with tachyons and launch it into the core so it reverses the core's polarity. That will fix everything.

    23. Re:Our molten core is shifting by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0

      They cite a report the UN accepted as fact as their factual basis. Or they're flat out lying. I trust PETA to be completely insane and retarded; that said, I also trust them to be selective with evidence, which means their evidence chain might blatantly ignore facts that are inconvenient but will at least point at something wholly true.

      Partial truths, not partial perspective (i.e. an "interpretation" of a "fact"). Somebody out there, for some period of time, convinced the UN that goat farts are the leading cause of global warming.

      The point is that some ridiculous ideas have been thrown around and landed in some high places. That you want to associate something like this to crazies just goes to show that crazies do indeed get ridiculous shit into politics.

      By the way, since PETA didn't cite, I will. That this landed on the UN discussion table and was taken seriously doesn't mean it's not wholly insane.

    24. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Kagura · · Score: 1

      Ahaha. That was great. :)

    25. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      First, I was saying that science does change its mind according to the facts, rather than changing its facts according to what it wants to be true.

      Second, it was just odd and bad practice that it was linked through PETA. Its like linking to a story written by written by crack heads for the legalization of crack and puppies.

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    26. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Essentially, we would become windswept by the solar wind and would end up without an atmosphere, much like Mars."

      Actually on Space.com a while back there was an article about some measurements taken by one of the more recent probes to the planet. Based on their measurements and calculations the actual amount of atmosphere lost due to the solar wind is far less than previously believed. I believe at the moment the current concusses is that Mars currently possesses much of its original atmosphere (~80-90%), it has simply infiltrated into the crust (either remaining a gas or turning into a liquid/solid (chemical or temperature process)) due to the lack of a molten core. If true it could make future colonization much more practical. Initially colonies could "mine" atmosphere by constructing extremely deep mine shafts, possibly with offshoot tunnels for improved productivity, and pumping the pooling atmosphere into dome cities. Eventually as more cities are formed and more/deeper shafts are excavated the "waste atmosphere" from the cities would build up the outside atmospheric pressure.

      Of course for both Earth (if we lost our magnetic shield) and Mars solar/cosmic radiation would still be a problem. I'm not exactly sure on the numbers but I'm sure cancer & birth defect rates without a magnetic field would at least double, probably more. And that's with a warning system in place that told people to take shelter during solar storms. But I would wager humanity would be able to survive it, it might cause a massive shift in lifestyle (underground dwellings, extinction of susceptible species, decreased food supplies, etc)

    27. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't quote PETA. You'd get more reliable astrophysics data by quoting a 8 year old elementary student then quoting PETA on farmyard animal/pet related data.

    28. Re:Our molten core is shifting by demonbug · · Score: 1

      The biggest problem is if the molten core shifts around, then the localized heat sources change, which changes the temperature of the ground surface, the oceans, and the atmosphere given enough time. This would eventually lead to civilization-annoying weather pattern changes, causing regular cycling climates (hot summer, cold snowy winter) to become either more extreme (hotter summer, colder winter) or tilted (hotter summer, winters that are cold and rainy). This of course distorts any functioning agrarian society while the whole disaster continues; things have to be moved around after the weather settles down again.

      Actually, geothermal energy at the surface of the earth is pretty negligible. Nearly all (99% +) thermal energy at the surface of the earth is due to solar radiation; it is unlikely that a lack of geothermal energy would have much of a direct impact on climate, although the end of all volcanic activity and specifically associated off-gassing would have a very significant effect.

    29. Re:Our molten core is shifting by icebike · · Score: 1

      The probable cause of this is a sudden shift in the tilt of our molten core. This would realign our magnetic poles.

      This is what happens when you get all of your "scientific knowledge" from movies people.

      Stay in school.

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    30. Re:Our molten core is shifting by icebike · · Score: 1

      Second Rule of science: Investigate the sources of reports. If the main source is not a scientist in the field of study, and/or it was paid for by a notoriously insane group that is not respected by the scientific community at large, do not trust.

      Sorry, but that has never been a "rule of science".

      Theories stand or fall on their own merit. Science does not care about sources.

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    31. Re:Our molten core is shifting by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Yes, but at this point we are all in agreement that the entire concept and the reaction thereof is a symptom of crackheadedness; whereas if I had linked to the UN report or to El Reg in the first place, someone might have debated the merits of the stunningly well-conceived idea that we should all be vegetarians to combat global warming.

    32. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how can this be possibly modded troll ?
      Slashdot moderation always amaze me

    33. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Darby · · Score: 1, Interesting

      PETA is one such group. They just want people to not kill animals. They don't really care why you don't kill animals, they just want you to not kill animals.

      Not true. PETA wants to stop what they define as unethical treatment. The problem is that their definition includes things like enslaving animals, which includes my wife and I keeping two cats as pets. They're as happy and healthy as can be, but in PETA's eyes they're abused slaves who would be better off dead.

      Seriously, PETA thinks all housepets should be slaughtered and if you give them pets in the hope that they'll find homes for them they kill them as a matter of policy.
      In 2009, PETA killed 97.3% of the pets they were entrusted with.

      I used to think they were just a bit overboard, but at least generally on the right side, but then I learned
      a bit more about them.

    34. Re:Our molten core is shifting by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      "Ok, let's start from the beginning. Tau equals r cross F..."

      Best line of the movie! The smartest people in the world have to remind each other of the torque equation. If you can, watch The Core with a physicist or two.

    35. Re:Our molten core is shifting by babywhiz · · Score: 1

      Who cares about Molten Core?! You're three expansions late, dude.

      I guess you haven't been to Mt. Hyjal lately...HAVE YOU!!

    36. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Apothem · · Score: 1

      Does anyone ever stop to think setting off nukes in the middle of the earth just MIGHT blow us up in tho itty bitty pieces?

    37. Re:Our molten core is shifting by findoutmoretoday · · Score: 1

      Look at what you have done ,  not only it is shifting,  but it is molten now  (The solid inner core was discovered in 1936 by Inge Lehmann ..... )

    38. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I necessarily agree with anything, other than the scientific method, and the non-trustworthiness of PETA.

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    39. Re:Our molten core is shifting by dkf · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but that has never been a "rule of science".

      Theories stand or fall on their own merit. Science does not care about sources.

      That's a nice "theory" (in a different sense to how you've used the word) but as it's done in practice, that's not at all how science works. Hypotheses from people inside the field tend to get totally different profiles of scrutiny to those from people outside. In particular, proposals from outsiders tend to be checked for howlers — things that have been proved false ages ago — first, whereas proposals from insiders get checked for subtle things first as it's assumed that their proponents know to avoid the obvious errors. An insider's proto-theory will much more rapidly attract the attention of some lowly PhD student for reproducing the experiments and calculations that lead to the conclusion, although before a proposal from any source can truly be an Accepted Theory, they've got to be fully checked anyway, which is the truth of the pudding. But the lifeblood of science is the process of turning "that's odd" into an accepted theory (together with checking if the current accepted theories are sufficiently consistent with reality).

      Note that I'm saying "outsider" and "insider" deliberately, and I wish to distinguish these terms from "pro" and "amateur". Professionals can still be outsiders, and amateurs can be insiders. The usual mark of an insider is that they know what they're doing, what other insiders are doing, and what people have done before. Outsiders are much more likely to skip straight to the part where they propose a perpetual motion machine or something else equally idiotic.

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    40. Re:Our molten core is shifting by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Considering the number of underground nuclear test explosions that have occurred I'm not all that concerned about it.

    41. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you need to go back and study a little more science.

      First rule of science: go where the data leads you. When we learn more about the way our universe works, we update our thoughts about the way the universe works.

      Second Rule of science: Investigate the sources of reports. If the main source is not a scientist in the field of study, and/or it was paid for by a notoriously insane group that is not respected by the scientific community at large, do not trust. PETA is one such group. They just want people to not kill animals. They don't really care why you don't kill animals, they just want you to not kill animals. So, they try to provide as many reasons why you shouldn't as possible. If you presented them with a "study" that showed them that raising animals to be killed caused the earthquake in Haiti, they would probably post it on their website.

      How about if you make up a story about polar bears being endangered by global warming and deliberately ignore "scientist[s] in the field of study" while doing so? Think you could maybe get the UN to publish that as a "fact"?

      Maybe you could use certain tree ring data to support your claims about global warming, but only for those years the tree ring data does that. All the other years when that same tree ring data doesn't support your claims, you hide that data not only from the public but from peer review also.

      Or maybe you could take over $1 million in "fees" from a high-profile convicted felon with a known political axe to grind?

      Even better, you can act like a religion and demonize anyone who shows any skepticism towards your claims with pejorative labels such as "denier".

      What "rules of science" do all those acts follow?

    42. Re:Our molten core is shifting by bjourne · · Score: 1

      Why all the hate? It is a pretty well known fact that animal farming is one of the major contributors to ghg emissions. Focus on the issue at hand instead of trying to shot the messenger.

    43. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Chris+Coles · · Score: 1
      The first question to ask is: what is "Idiotic"? If you mean something you do not at first sight understand; in what way does that make the thoughts presented “Idiotic”? No, I am not trying to say you are any sort of an idiot for making the statement, simply just trying to open the debate into a new plane of thought. May I pose you a complex challenge; take into your hands the July 2004 edition of Scientific American and turn to pages 26 to 35, a ten page article titled: The Extraordinary Deaths of Ordinary Stars. Now, read the final two paragraphs. What you will discover is an open admission that the authors do not have all the answers and instead point towards the possible existence of new disruptive theories. One of the authors is Prof. Bruce Balick. Talk to him and ask him why they made that statement; by all means tell him who asked you to open the discussion. However, I suspect, with the greatest of respects, you will find him reluctant to.

      Some of us, “on the outside” are recognised in our particular field, but not recognised in “science”. That of itself is not a problem, but what is a problem, not for us on the outside, but for those with enquiring minds on the inside; is that it has become all too easy to call any new disruptive theory “Idiotic” and to thus dismiss it with a wave of the closed off mandarin mind.

      There is a very detailed new disruptive theory about the underlying gravitational structure of all mass objects in the universe; from the smallest dust grain to the largest objects at the core of the galaxies. But no one will discuss it nor review the book. I must add, not even Slashdot.

      Now you might be forgiven for thinking, so what? But now turn to the Hubble Space Telescope and look for the 15th Anniversary images of M51 and The Eagle Nebula. Yes, there is a connection between the Balick description of a disruptive theory on the one hand and the image of a dust nebula on the other. You see, again, the disruptive theory describes why there are dust clouds, when all mass has gravity that attracts all surrounding mass to form a solid mass object and there is no existing theory for why that solid mass object can gently, without dispersing the mass explosively, evolve into clouds of dust.

      Now I am certain that the Zealots will find many reasons to trash this post. But I am assuming you and many like you will have an enquiring mind that actually wants to know why no one, from Scientific American to Slashdot, will review or otherwise publicise the book wherein the disruptive theory resides.

      When you do, eventually, get to buy and download the latest e-book edition, you will also discover that it also opens the debate to a completely new internal structure for the Sun and Earth and will point towards why it might be possible for the inner core to be able to easily change its positional relationship with the outer core. And, thus to why the pole is moving and to completely new areas of long term research with millions of clean, blank pages, for all of you who enjoy the challenge, to write upon.

      Not even Slashdot is immune from the disastrous effects of the closed mandarin mind desperately afraid to open a discussion about a new disruptive “Idiotic” theory.

    44. Re:Our molten core is shifting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also a tag "bushsfault". Makes sense to me, I'm sold.

    45. Re:Our molten core is shifting by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      It is a pretty well known fact that animal farming is one of the major contributors to ghg emissions.

        It is a pretty well known fact that animals (including people) are one of the major contributors to ghg emissions. It doesn't matter whether they are farmed or not. Farts is farts.

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  4. World stability by snsh · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is good news. Everyone knows that you regain stability by moving all your poles into the right hand plane.

    1. Re:World stability by mangu · · Score: 3, Informative

      Everyone knows that you regain stability by moving all your poles into the right hand plane.

      Only if the positive portion of the plane is on the left side. In Australia, perhaps?

    2. Re:World stability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you care where i move my pole...?

    3. Re:World stability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your *other* right.

    4. Re:World stability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's only true if it's the plane on the right that's bound to Poland.

    5. Re:World stability by MattskEE · · Score: 2

      Actually, putting your poles on the right half of the s-plane gives you instability :)

      (Reference)

    6. Re:World stability by glimmy · · Score: 2

      Maybe we should just put them on the jw axis, let it oscillate, and call it good.

    7. Re:World stability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOOOOOOSH. -- that's the joke flying over your head.

    8. Re:World stability by MattskEE · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should just put them on the jw axis, let it oscillate, and call it good.

      Hmm... that would make compasses more entertaining than they are now!

    9. Re:World stability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is good news. Everyone knows that you regain stability by moving all your poles into the right hand plane.

      Parent is wrong. Stability is gained by moving the poles towards the left half of the plane. This is good news.

  5. Grid North to Magnetic North by oodaloop · · Score: 2

    On military tactical maps, there's a diagram for converting from grid North (straight up using MGRS maps) to magnetic north (where the needle points on a compass). It'll say add or subtract some number of degrees to convert from one to the other, and each map is different depending on where in the world it is depicting. Since many of these maps are several years old, I wonder what impact this will have on ground navigation?

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    1. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1

      On military tactical maps, there's a diagram for converting from grid North (straight up using MGRS maps) to magnetic north (where the needle points on a compass). It'll say add or subtract some number of degrees to convert from one to the other, and each map is different depending on where in the world it is depicting. Since many of these maps are several years old, I wonder what impact this will have on ground navigation?

      Probably little... for those applications where using the magnetic north pole is good enough, that'll likely stay the case if the pole shifts a bit. For applications where higher accuracy is needed, other systems like GPS would be used.

    2. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by plover · · Score: 1

      Aviation maps (sectional charts) expire after just a few months. I expect military maps have a similar lifetime. You wouldn't want to execute an attack only to find someone's unexpectedly dug a new drainage ditch through the middle of their fields.

      The new maps would have the current values for magnetic declination.

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    3. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      You would never conduct a military op these days without recent overhead imagery anyway. And new paper maps would have the new declination diagram in the marginal information, but digital maps don't have the accompanying marginal information. I can imagine someone looking at an old paper map for the declination diagram and plotting the coordinates on a digital map on Google Earth or ArcGIS or something.

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    4. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      If you have an old map, you can simply check the current declination online before venturing afield. For most "ground navigation" applications this is good enough. Most people (myself included) can't get a compass bearing to within a half-degree of accuracy anyhow.

    5. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking specifically of orienteering, where the angle and distance is calculated off of a 1:50,000 scale map, and the angle is then converted to magnetic angle, and the distance converted to a pace count. A difference of even a degree can mean a big difference when you're pacing out a few thousand yards. Not every soldier and Marine has a handheld GPS, and this method of ground nav is still taught and used today. If a given map happens to be old and in a place on the globe where the difference is more severe, I can imagine being off by a good deal. Not the end of the world, but something most soldiers and Marines are probably nor aware of.

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    6. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Most of the maps that need that kind of accuracy are on a yearly update cycle anyway - for example aviation maps which also have the magnetic/geographic conversion numbers on them. I guess the military cartographers are very well aware of the problem and update accordingly. The drift within one year or whatever the upgrade cycle is shouldn't matter much.

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    7. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by david.emery · · Score: 1

      The military (US) maps I'm familiar with also indicate the rate of drift for magnetic north, so if you really need that accuracy (something we did in some cases for laying artillery firing batteries in the Olden Days without GPS and intertial nav systems...) you'd check the date of the map, calculate the current drift, and apply that corrected correction.

      So if rate of change is accelerating (2nd derivative), that makes the calculation a lot more interesting.

    8. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Maritime and Aeronautic charts have the same correction scales to convert from map North (always at the top and aligned with Longitude) to magnetic North. These charts are re-issued (and the correction scales as well as other things updated) on a regular basis (and I suspect military tactical maps are as well), so age of the map will be less of an issue than you might think.

    9. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      That's interesting. I don't remember seeing rate of change in the declination diagram or elsewhere in the marginal information. Not that I knew what all was in there, but I did teach mapping for a few years in the Marine Corps (2000-2003). The maps we used were dated from about 1977 or so, and were updated while I was there (had to redo every test, quiz, prac ap, etc). When were the "Olden Days" for you?

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    10. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      The maps may be re-issued, printed and distributed. That doesn't mean everyone gets them. I was active duty Marine Corps, and our map room was stocked with 10-20 year old maps; or, rather, they were new looking maps that were last updated 10-20 years before. I can't recall anyone throwing out an otherwise perfectly good map after only a year, particularly for a new map that was probably only slightly different.

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    11. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by david.emery · · Score: 1

      ROTC mid '70s, active duty '78-'82, in the National Guard to about '94. Field Artillery Officer Basic was one of the few Officer courses you could flunk out of at that time with 2 segments you had to pass, Map Reading and Observed Fires.

    12. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by plover · · Score: 1

      As I recall (they're up in the cabin now, and unfortunately I'm not) the old maps we have of Lake of the Woods have a magnetic declination rose tilted slightly from the main true-north-facing rose. In the magnetic rose is a note that says something like "1978 values, changing at 7 minutes east per year."

      I remember being fascinated at the fact that the drift was predictable enough to publish. But would I trust that I could still take the map out now, multiply the value by 32 and it'd still be accurate? That's well over 3 degrees of shift, so we could be looking at a significant difference.

      All in all, the maps are probably still good enough for a motorboat excursion across the lake, but not in fog.

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    13. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by demonbug · · Score: 1

      Most of the maps that need that kind of accuracy are on a yearly update cycle anyway - for example aviation maps which also have the magnetic/geographic conversion numbers on them. I guess the military cartographers are very well aware of the problem and update accordingly. The drift within one year or whatever the upgrade cycle is shouldn't matter much.

      Most maps and charts that show magnetic declination also include an approximate calculation to keep it more-or-less updated. In addition to the declination at the time the chart is made it will include an approximate direction and rate of annual change, something like 15.7 degrees west, moving east at 0.3 degrees per year.

      Not super accurate, but enough for nearly all purposes to keep it up to date between map updates.

    14. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by necro81 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but let's say you are somewhere in the middle of North America: the pole would have to move hundreds of kilometers before you would get that 1-degree shift.

      I submit that: unless you are using surveying equipment or a theodolite, your measurement error, hasty reckoning, even your metal belt buckle, will probably have more effect than the shift in the location of magnetic north.

    15. Re:Grid North to Magnetic North by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the case on marine charts too. It is presented as a compass rose:

      http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/t0390e/T0390E34.gif

      This rose shows that magnetic north was 23.5 degrees west of true north (aka polaris aka earth's rotation axis, note the star) in 1980, and that it is moving 3 minutes eastward for every year after 1980. 60 degrees = 1 minute. These are generally restated every decade.

      These compass roses are specific to a place on earth, and change wildly both because the direction to the NMP varies with your position, but also because of variations (in iron, etc) of the earth's crust in any given area.

  6. Tripe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From 2009 (almost the one year anniversary) and 2005.

  7. dip pole dipole magnetic pole north pole pole pole by demonbug · · Score: 1

    So... now we should be concerned because the magnetic pole is "rapidly" heading towards the geographic pole? Oh noes!

    It is somewhat interesting that it is moving around pretty quickly, but it would be much more interesting if the magnetic pole was headed south instead; a little geomagnetic excursion from time to time is a healthy thing, don't you think?

    On the plus side, the declination printed on all those USGS sectionals should be getting more accurate again...

  8. In Soviet Russia... by charlieo88 · · Score: 0

    ...magnetic North points to YOU!

  9. Alternative solution by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Funny

    How about we just stick a GIANT MAGNET right smack on the real North Pole? That way, we don't need to worry about the "natural" pole shifting. Set this artificial magnet to have a different frequency than the earth's natural magnetism, so we can set our compass magnets to that same frequency and not worry about interference. (This will also keep this valuable asset from wandering into Russian territory.)

    1. Re:Alternative solution by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0

      Magnets.... frequency... what?

    2. Re:Alternative solution by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      Quick! Is there a Geophysicist in the house???

      This would make an excellent in class calculation for a Geophysics lecture. Just how big a set neodymium magnets (one north, one south) would it take to override the earth's magnetic field? If installed, would the core actually align with it? How bad would it be if you installed them backwards?

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    3. Re:Alternative solution by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      How bad would it be if you installed them backwards?

      Don't do that. Never cross the streams.

    4. Re:Alternative solution by kungfugleek · · Score: 1

      But in order to generate enough magnetism to align the giant magnet we'd have to reroute power through the deflector dish and reverse polarity on the electromagnetic field; like souring the mother's milk.

    5. Re:Alternative solution by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      roflmao!

    6. Re:Alternative solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to distribute your magnet's WEP Encryption key so that we can use it to...

    7. Re:Alternative solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Magnets don't come in "north" and "south" models. That's like asking someone for a one-sided coin.

    8. Re:Alternative solution by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      This would make an excellent in class calculation for a Geophysics lecture. Just how big a set neodymium magnets (one north, one south) would it take to override the earth's magnetic field? If installed, would the core actually align with it? How bad would it be if you installed them backwards?

      Quick... someone find not just ONE magnetic monopole, but two!

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    9. Re:Alternative solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind, it just a post by the BadAnalogyGuy...

      Wait, what?!

    10. Re:Alternative solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a geophysicist, but I can tell you that:

      A) you couldn't mount a whack of permanent magnets in the core of the Earth that would work, because: 1) we can't get there, and 2) at the temperature of the core the permanent magnetism would be lost (look up Curie temperature)

      B) the inner core isn't magnetized either, so there would be nothing to "align"

      C) locally generating a field much stronger than the Earth's is *trivial*. An average magnet does that. The hard part is distributing the field over the entire Earth. There's no easy way to do that unless you can think of a way to distribute either aligned permanent magnets or a dynamically generated field over distances of many thousands of kilometres. The problem isn't simply a matter of generating an intense magnetic field.

      D) if you did manage to do it in the "opposite" sense, it wouldn't be a big deal because magnetic polarity switches have happened hundreds of times in Earth history and there is no correlation to extinctions or much of anything else.

    11. Re:Alternative solution by wcrowe · · Score: 1

      I can't decide if this guy is trying to be funny, or if he's a member of Insane Clown Posse.

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    12. Re:Alternative solution by sjames · · Score: 1

      Just keep it away from Hens.

    13. Re:Alternative solution by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      D) if you did manage to do it in the "opposite" sense, it wouldn't be a big deal because magnetic polarity switches have happened hundreds of times in Earth history and there is no correlation to extinctions or much of anything else.

      Although it does correlate rather strongly to Boy Scout troops going missing and aeroplanes circling aimlessly over the Atlantic ocean.

      Of course, there's no evidence that homo heidelbergensis had either of those, so they may not have been overly inconvenienced.

    14. Re:Alternative solution by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      That might be an attractive solution on paper, but doing so might create a highly-localized distortion in the space-time continuum. Even if one were to create a unilateral phase detractor with enough force to avoid the sinusoidal deplanaration that results from the superposition of two incongruent magnetic fields, there would be sufficient side-fumbling in the sperving bearings to cause a breakdown in the magneto-reluctance in the up-end of the artificial magnet's cardinal gram-meters.

  10. Where is Al Gore when you need him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This somehow has to be our fault, right?

  11. Re:dip pole dipole magnetic pole north pole pole p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a rapid, global polarity switch...Massive Electromagnetic Pulse, anyone?

  12. Re:dip pole dipole magnetic pole north pole pole p by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 0

    I've seen what happens when a rapid polarity reversal occurs. If you don't take care, the tachyon flux can cause an uncontrolled neutrino emission and cause a breach in the dilithium chamber.

  13. It's actually the south magnetical pole. by carlhaagen · · Score: 2, Informative

    The magnetical north pole is on the opposite side of the planet, close to our geographical south pole; a compass' N needle points towards the magnetical south pole, but as we use compasses to orient towards our geographical south pole, we simply mark the needle N.

    1. Re:It's actually the south magnetical pole. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the magnetic south pole *exactly* or just *approximately* opposite of the north magnetic pole? Do they move in tandem?

    2. Re:It's actually the south magnetical pole. by petteyg359 · · Score: 0

      Is that some strange combination of magnetic and medical? My grandmother has some magnetized bracelets that are supposed to help with arthritis; I suppose they could be magnetical...

    3. Re:It's actually the south magnetical pole. by clone52431 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You’re confusing the issue unnecessarily, and you’re incorrect. The “North Magnetic Pole” is the one geographically near to the North Pole, although it is magnetically a south pole.

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    4. Re:It's actually the south magnetical pole. by clone52431 · · Score: 1

      Is the magnetic south pole *exactly* opposite of the north magnetic pole?

      Not according to Wikipedia (citation needed).

      Do they move in tandem?

      Sort of.

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    5. Re:It's actually the south magnetical pole. by jachim69 · · Score: 1

      Are you the same idiot that commented the TFA?

      It's called the North Magnetic Pole because it's the magnetic pole at the north end of the planet!

    6. Re:It's actually the south magnetical pole. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might be magically a south pole but it's the north pole because it attracts all those north pole particles.

  14. In modern Russia... by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 2

    north pole goes to you.

  15. In Soviet Russia . . . by cashman73 · · Score: 1

    . . . Compass needles point towards YOU!

  16. The poles.. by angiasaa · · Score: 1

    I'm sure MI5 could turn a polish spy into revealing something about his people. Scientists should think out-of-the-box for once!

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  17. In Soviet Russia ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... north pole moves you to Siberia!

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  18. Well... by Zinner · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, the correct names are "North Seeking Pole" and "South Seeking Pole" shortened to North pole and South pole. The North (seeking) pole of the compass needle actually does point north. In the arctic, a standard hypothetical test monopole is repelled, making it north.

  19. ....PROFIT!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Airport runway numbers are actually current compass heading. When magnetic north shifts enough, they have to renumber the runways. So....

    1. Shift magnetic north
    2. Get contracts to repaint runway numbers
    3. PROFIT!

    1. Re:....PROFIT!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Repaint the runway numbers? And here I was thinking that you would have to dig up the runways and re-lay the asphalt so that they could point to the correct position using their current numbers.

  20. build the shield from the movie with the aliens fo by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    build the shield from the movie with the aliens form zeist.

    Yes the movie is so bad I had to hide the name of it.

  21. Pole reversal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't one of the 2012 crazy end of days scenarios that the magnetic poles reverse suddenly? I loathe to go down that line of thought but it could explain it?

  22. bizarro world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the Poles are invading Siberia now?

    What is this, a Soviet Russia joke?

  23. We need a new treaty by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..unless you are one of those deniers that think that the Global Pole Shifting wasnt caused by human activity.

  24. Magratheans running Beta software? by mschaffer · · Score: 2

    Slartibartfast needs to fix this. This is what happens when you use untested software.

    1. Re:Magratheans running Beta software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Untested?

      I hardly doubt that since the simulator has been running for 10 000 000 years.

      The software only started to screw up when the Golgafrinchan introduced input elements the software was not designed to handle. Since the software could not "crash", the output became wildly unpredictable and started moving the magnetic poles. This is why we could never find the the question to 42.

  25. YOU Know the Cause by ChiRaven · · Score: 4, Funny

    You just don't want to admit it. It's another inevitable byproduct of anthropogenic global warming caused by greenhouses gasses. That should be obvious to anyone. Expect the IPCC papers on the subject to be exposed by a whistle-blower any day now. Insiders are predicting that the studies will show that the pole is repelled by the stronger SOURCES of the gasses, but there is a lag effect, so it is only now moving away from US, and toward Siberia. In an exchange of email messages also to be released at the same time by this anonymous whistle-blower, two of the secondary authors are reported to have said "aren't these econometric models WONDERFULLY flexible?"

    1. Re:YOU Know the Cause by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Well, there is a guy who claims that the weather trends we are experiencing is due to some convoluted connection to the effect of the sun's magnetic force interacting with the Earth's magnetic field. And he does have something to say about it's connection with AGW.

    2. Re:YOU Know the Cause by ChiRaven · · Score: 1

      Heard that all before. It's related to geological time scales, most often, and usually not particularly relevant to the current debate. While I DO feel that many of the proponents of Climate Change have been guilty of some serious scientific misconduct in their handling of the issue and their treatment of opposing views (which have been shameful and contrary to all principles of scientific discourse at times), their evidence and projections (even though based on mathematical models that admittedly contain more than a few assumptions and must be updated all the time) seem quite solid.
      But my training is in statistics, not climate science and I've not yet found it worthwhile to delve more than superficially into climate modeling (although I AM slightly familiar with weather forecast models from chaos theory studies ... VERY different animal!).
      So I watch the models and predictions change with interest. And hope that there are no more incidents of outright suppression of dialogue on either side, either in the press or in the scientific community. I was glad to hear about that "Rapid Response Force" mentioned. I hope it is used to present EVIDENCE, not to belittle their opposition.

  26. Everyone brace by ca111a · · Score: 1

    for the incoming flood of "in soviet Russia" jokes...

  27. Re:dip pole dipole magnetic pole north pole pole p by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    ... now we should be concerned because the magnetic pole is "rapidly" heading towards the geographic pole?

    Yes, because the magnetic pole being in Canada was one of the last interesting things about the country. What will they have left?

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  28. Is this a good thing or a bad thing or neutral? by Quila · · Score: 1, Funny

    If it's a good thing or neutral, it's just a natural process.

    If it's a bad thing then we did it. We need government action and trillions of dollars sent to third-world countries in order to stop it. How that's supposed to stop it, I don't know. Maybe the mass of all those dollar bills in the Southern hemisphere will cause the core to realign itself.

    1. Re:Is this a good thing or a bad thing or neutral? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      For now it's good-to-neutral, magnetic north becoming actual north.
      But it may become rapidly unpleasant if it continues. Due to layout of magnetic lines, the magnetosphere doesn't protect the magnetic poles from solar wind, except the unprotected "pits" are perpendicular to it, so no harm done. But if the magnetic poles move closer to the tropics, aiming towards the Sun, some inhabited areas can become dangerously exposed to cosmic rays.

      Natural or not, it would definitely mean trouble for these areas, and there's very little we could do about it.

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    2. Re:Is this a good thing or a bad thing or neutral? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's very insightful, drawing a parallel between this and global warming. I mean, assuming you're trying to point out how stupid it is to think someone might try to convince people that a global change was caused by humans when there's no reason to think it was caused by humans.

  29. magnets... by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

    fuckin' magnetic north poles... how do they work?

  30. It depends by Quila · · Score: 1

    Government airport that can just lay more on the taxpayers to fund it?

    Or private airport that has to stick to a budget?

  31. Furlongs per Fortnight by James+McGuigan · · Score: 1

    55 km per year = 10.5 furlongs per fortnight

  32. Poles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is good news. Everyone knows that you regain stability by moving all your poles into the right hand plane.

    What if you're Ukrainian?

  33. Good thing it's not going to flip this year by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    After all, we all know the magnetic pole will flip in 2012, not in 2010 or 2011.

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  34. Epoch by frisket · · Score: 1

    So if it continues to accelerate, will it pass through the geographic north pole on 21st Dec 2012? :-)

  35. No wonder the economy sucks by ErikTheRed · · Score: 1

    Santa's having to spend all of his energy moving his workshop whenever the North Pole shifts. This screws up Christmas gift giving, which is a major economic driver.

    Somehow this is all Bush's fault - and like everything else Obama's just putting Bush's policies on steroids...

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  36. Moving away from the north pole by Skapare · · Score: 1

    ... sounds like it is moving SOUTH to me, not north by northwest.

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  37. More like how global warming by Quila · · Score: 1

    Regardless of scientific merit is being used as a vehicle to funnel money to various political pet causes.

  38. One day? by jprupp · · Score: 1

    Among the many north poles, let us rejoice that Santa Claus did not choose the magnetic pole for his home, for he would have to spend as much time moving as delivering presents.

    One night, that is.

  39. Santa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    North Magnetic Pole rushes to Siberia .... santas magnet not pleased

  40. Story tags by multimediavt · · Score: 1

    The tags on this one "bushsfault", "obama", and "global warming" make me worry. The Earth's magnetic poles are KNOWN to reverse themselves. In fact we're due for one very soon. Sad, not funny, to see asinine references to political and non-associated environmental causes. Pathetic, really.

    1. Re:Story tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pathetic, really.

      As is your obvious unfamiliarity with the often tongue-in-cheek nature of the tags.

  41. Magnetic Poles: by Hartree · · Score: 1

    Supermodels Anja Rubik and Joanna Krupa.

    They're very attractive!

  42. The location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Locations of geomagnetic poles and magnetic poles based on IGRF-11 from 1900 to 2000 by 10 years, and at 2005, 2010 and 2015 (prediction)
    http://wdc.kugi.kyoto-u.ac.jp/poles/polesexp.html