Other lobbying groups might be, but differing lobbying groups (even if they are perceived as being on the same side of the left/right divide) backing opposing positions is hardly new.
So what you're saying is that corporate lobbying isn't really the problem, since some corporations are supporting regular channel (R) candidates, and others are supporting tea party ones?
So much for a generic "corporate lobbying" being the issue. Unless you're opposed to all corporate lobbying, including that given to the (D) party candidates.
Oh, one more thing from the article... which fits the whole "social media" idea...
As reported by The Huffington Post, a Facebook page was developed on February 20 calling for Tea Party protests across the country.[37] Soon, the "Nationwide Chicago Tea Party" protest was coordinated across over 40 different cities for February 27, 2009, thus establishing the first national modern Tea Party protest.[38][39] The movement has been supported nationally by at least 12 prominent individuals and their associated organizations.[40]
Doesn't sound "centralized" by any definition of the word.
The Tea Party movement is a populist political movement in the United States that emerged in 2009 through a series of locally and nationally-coordinated protests.[1][2][3] The protests were partially in response to several Federal laws: the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008,[4] the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009,[5][6] and a series of health care reform bills.[7]
Pointing out that it wasn't FOX NEWs that started it... from the same article...
On February 19, 2009,[30] in a broadcast from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, CNBC Business News editor Rick Santelli criticized the government plan to refinance mortgages, which had just been announced the day before. He said that those plans were "promoting bad behavior"[31] by, "subsidizing losers' mortgages." He suggested holding a tea party for traders to gather and dump the derivatives in the Chicago River on July 1.[32][33][34] A number of the derivative traders around him cheered on his proposal, to the apparent amusement of the hosts in the studio. The video of Santelli's speech went viral after it received a "red siren" headline on the news aggregation website, Drudge Report.[35]
So, cherry picking tidbits doesn't make a case for you, when you examine the whole "start" was a couple small time groups going viral. At least according to wikipedia.
Q.E.D. is an initialism of the Latin phrase quod erat demonstrandum, which means "that which was to be demonstrated". The phrase is traditionally placed in its abbreviated form at the end of a mathematical proof or philosophical argument when that which was specified in the enunciation, and in the setting-out, has been exactly restated as the conclusion of the demonstration.[1] The abbreviation thus signals the completion of the proof.
Tea Party is Centralized? Like the NAACP bus protest? WHO is running the Tea Party? Vague notions of "industrialists" and "corporate lobbying groups" smacks of typical "vast right wing conspiracy" crap we hear from the far left.
It is funny how the same Industialists and Corporate Lobbying groups can't get their established politicians (Crist) elected, and tea party people (Rubio) are winning elections.
So, while your accusation is typical of what I see by leftwingers who want to dismiss the TP as fully Industrial/Corporate lobbying effort, that can't explain what is happening. Especially when their "guys" can't win an election against "tea party" candidates.
I'm pro science. I think everyone should be doing nuclear experiments in their basement like the http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html"> Nuclear Boy Scout. After all, everyone trying to prevent him from experimenting is just plain anti science.
Or is it that all science needs boundaries and you just disagree with where that boundary has been set?
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are "anti science". Though throwing the whole "Anti" tag on things seems like common way to be dismissive without actually making any soft of point. Which makes you as bad as the Christian Fundies. Maybe worse, because at least they don't pretend to be logical.
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something. Just because you think it is okay, doesn't make it so. Sociopaths have no problem doing all sorts of things, doesn't mean they should.
And if ethics isn't part of the discussion of the meaning of life, and treatment of the defenseless, then we're lost to a society of might makes right.
. In contrast, a loose, social-media style network wouldn't have sustained the year long campaign.
TeaParty
Q.E.D
I'm not commenting on the validity of the TeaParty movement at all, I'm just saying that it seems to be counter to what the author just said. It is shunned by the MSM and derogatorily referred to as "teabaggers" by many. Yet in spite of the vitriol against it, has sustained for well over a year. And even if you don't like it, you need to admit it is a juggernaut that is completely changing the political landscape. Even (R) people are running scared.
On a side note, thank you California voters for choosing two complete dumb turds for Governor and two more twits for Senate. I'm sure glad I vote third party.
But they can't even do what you're suggesting. And Genocide happens in every age, and hardly a thing is ever done while it is happening because it is "internal affair" or "regional conflict". See Sadaam and the Kurds for example. Or Turkey and the Kurds. Or Turkey and the Armenians. Or Darfur. Or Germany and the Jews and Roma, or....
You get the point. Nobody cares enough to actually do anything.
And all the people protesting the genocides going on, how many of them would support a unilateral war to stop it? Should we, the US, just go in alone to Darfur? Or would that be called "Imperialism" by those that hate us?
So, passing a law limiting volume of commercials is minor compared to genocide, I would think, and would hope that genocide would be more important to more people than stupid commercial volume.
So, really, you just made my point. It is easier to take big credit for small things than actually do anything meaningful.
And comparing cops to legislators is just stupid. The congress has on its list of official duties... the budget. It failed again to pass one, again. How would you like if a cop didn't do his duty, because he was too busy escorting old lady across the street? Which is, IMHO, the rough equivalent of what happened this week in congress.
Yes, because TV Commercials are so much more important than 10% unemployment, huge deficit, and passing a budget. But hey, the politicians have to have something "positive" to bring back to the folks back, for the upcoming elections. / sarcasm
And if you vote for (D) (filibuster proof majority) who are running around saying "(R) are blocking everything" OR the (R) neo socialists saying "we're not as bad as the (D)" you should get your head checked. Vote third Party. REALLY express your discontent. Don't put the same two groups that got us here back into power.
I actually can't remember any of the "short urls" that go to sites that I like. URL shortening does nothing to help me remember where the heck that site was. URL shortening is just a lazy man's href that does nothing to help people find a useful site again.
And it tells you nothing about what you're about to click. When I see the obfuscated but short URL, all I can think of is "hear comes Goatsex" or was it tubgirl? Two girls and a cup?
and what about the users who download 4 different "FART" applications because they are "funny" (or whatever) that share phone numbers and GPS to advertisers and remote servers?
How about a rating system of "trust" by an independent third party that reviews and establishes what each application that it processes has access to, and what it sends where.
This is a problem that is looking for a solution to be provided. But rather than whining it requires a team of people to implement and market. Hell, I've given you the idea already, and I'm sure there is some money to be made doing it.
Not really. We have a nanny state that is hell bent on protecting the idiots and children from all the evils of the world,while neglecting to remember that the nanny state itself is evil.
When we realize that the nanny state is just as evil as everything it is trying to protect us from, then we'll truly be free... again.
People in Ivory Towers always love to treat everyone else like idiots needing their superior guidance. Because we're too stupid to function in a society without their wisdom and knowledge.
This is actually insightful, and would force the issue. People would do anything to get their porn.
However the problem with 6 vs 4 is that 4 works. It works well enough with NAT for most things. People aren't going to change until they absolutely have to. And right now, almost nobody "has to", so it isn't going to happen.
It is going to take someone like Google to force us to switch.
Corporations are a creation of the state. The problem is we forget that little nugget when dealing with them. And when the creation can rule over the creator.. nothing good can become of it.
I wish I had mod points today. But you're already at +5 so...;)
Corporates server under charter of the state. They exist as a creation of the state. And as such the state should be able to revoke the charter under certain conditions, and the board of directors and Chief officers arrested and held criminally.
The board is there to make sure that the Officers are doing their job, and if everyone is on the same ticket, they should be tossed into the same cell to rot.
I'm for free markets, and liberty to people. Not corporate collectivism and rights to non-person entities.
what you forget, is what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Time to troll for your boss. Put up that picture from the company Christmas Party, the drunken one where he's groping the Assistant VP of whatever.
Nobody is perfect, Facebook is more than just me posting about me. It is about what others post about me.
"Make it easier to convict them on involuntary manslaughter charges"
No, wrong, beep, honk, ERROR...
VOLUNTARY manslaughter or second degree murder. They knew their actions could cause death, but they don't care enough to change their behavior. I'd vote for Death penalty for people like this, except for one small detail, I'm against the death penalty
People having server resources for apps should tie the app to the server via some sort of registration code tied to a phone #, email and/or something else. A simple three way sanity check would suffice, and if done right would be no more than a single packet of data each direction.
In fact, If I was an app developer, I'd build such a system into all my apps. I'd give the apps away with a free 3/10/30 day "trial" period. People paying the fee (service) would continue unabated, and get free updates, etc. I'd hope that my apps weren't crap, and people would be willing to simply pay me the $12 year (or whatever) to keep using said app.
But then again, I'm sure many people would balk at $12/yr (three lattes). Can't afford that? You probably shouldn't have a smart phone you cheap bastard.
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So what you're saying is that corporate lobbying isn't really the problem, since some corporations are supporting regular channel (R) candidates, and others are supporting tea party ones?
So much for a generic "corporate lobbying" being the issue. Unless you're opposed to all corporate lobbying, including that given to the (D) party candidates.
Oh, one more thing from the article ... which fits the whole "social media" idea ...
As reported by The Huffington Post, a Facebook page was developed on February 20 calling for Tea Party protests across the country.[37] Soon, the "Nationwide Chicago Tea Party" protest was coordinated across over 40 different cities for February 27, 2009, thus establishing the first national modern Tea Party protest.[38][39] The movement has been supported nationally by at least 12 prominent individuals and their associated organizations.[40]
Doesn't sound "centralized" by any definition of the word.
From Wikipedia:
The Tea Party movement is a populist political movement in the United States that emerged in 2009 through a series of locally and nationally-coordinated protests.[1][2][3] The protests were partially in response to several Federal laws: the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008,[4] the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009,[5][6] and a series of health care reform bills.[7]
Pointing out that it wasn't FOX NEWs that started it ... from the same article ...
On February 19, 2009,[30] in a broadcast from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, CNBC Business News editor Rick Santelli criticized the government plan to refinance mortgages, which had just been announced the day before. He said that those plans were "promoting bad behavior"[31] by, "subsidizing losers' mortgages." He suggested holding a tea party for traders to gather and dump the derivatives in the Chicago River on July 1.[32][33][34] A number of the derivative traders around him cheered on his proposal, to the apparent amusement of the hosts in the studio. The video of Santelli's speech went viral after it received a "red siren" headline on the news aggregation website, Drudge Report.[35]
So, cherry picking tidbits doesn't make a case for you, when you examine the whole "start" was a couple small time groups going viral. At least according to wikipedia.
Then by that criteria, George Soros is running everything left of center.
I was kind of hoping you'd mention Sara Palin.
From Wikipedia:
Q.E.D. is an initialism of the Latin phrase quod erat demonstrandum, which means "that which was to be demonstrated". The phrase is traditionally placed in its abbreviated form at the end of a mathematical proof or philosophical argument when that which was specified in the enunciation, and in the setting-out, has been exactly restated as the conclusion of the demonstration.[1] The abbreviation thus signals the completion of the proof.
Tea Party is Centralized? Like the NAACP bus protest? WHO is running the Tea Party? Vague notions of "industrialists" and "corporate lobbying groups" smacks of typical "vast right wing conspiracy" crap we hear from the far left.
It is funny how the same Industialists and Corporate Lobbying groups can't get their established politicians (Crist) elected, and tea party people (Rubio) are winning elections.
So, while your accusation is typical of what I see by leftwingers who want to dismiss the TP as fully Industrial/Corporate lobbying effort, that can't explain what is happening. Especially when their "guys" can't win an election against "tea party" candidates.
Nice try though.
I'm pro science. I think everyone should be doing nuclear experiments in their basement like the http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html"> Nuclear Boy Scout. After all, everyone trying to prevent him from experimenting is just plain anti science.
Or is it that all science needs boundaries and you just disagree with where that boundary has been set?
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are "anti science". Though throwing the whole "Anti" tag on things seems like common way to be dismissive without actually making any soft of point. Which makes you as bad as the Christian Fundies. Maybe worse, because at least they don't pretend to be logical.
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something. Just because you think it is okay, doesn't make it so. Sociopaths have no problem doing all sorts of things, doesn't mean they should.
And if ethics isn't part of the discussion of the meaning of life, and treatment of the defenseless, then we're lost to a society of might makes right.
TeaParty
Q.E.D
I'm not commenting on the validity of the TeaParty movement at all, I'm just saying that it seems to be counter to what the author just said. It is shunned by the MSM and derogatorily referred to as "teabaggers" by many. Yet in spite of the vitriol against it, has sustained for well over a year. And even if you don't like it, you need to admit it is a juggernaut that is completely changing the political landscape. Even (R) people are running scared.
On a side note, thank you California voters for choosing two complete dumb turds for Governor and two more twits for Senate. I'm sure glad I vote third party.
But they can't even do what you're suggesting. And Genocide happens in every age, and hardly a thing is ever done while it is happening because it is "internal affair" or "regional conflict". See Sadaam and the Kurds for example. Or Turkey and the Kurds. Or Turkey and the Armenians. Or Darfur. Or Germany and the Jews and Roma, or ....
You get the point. Nobody cares enough to actually do anything.
And all the people protesting the genocides going on, how many of them would support a unilateral war to stop it? Should we, the US, just go in alone to Darfur? Or would that be called "Imperialism" by those that hate us?
So, passing a law limiting volume of commercials is minor compared to genocide, I would think, and would hope that genocide would be more important to more people than stupid commercial volume.
So, really, you just made my point. It is easier to take big credit for small things than actually do anything meaningful.
And comparing cops to legislators is just stupid. The congress has on its list of official duties ... the budget. It failed again to pass one, again. How would you like if a cop didn't do his duty, because he was too busy escorting old lady across the street? Which is, IMHO, the rough equivalent of what happened this week in congress.
Yes, because TV Commercials are so much more important than 10% unemployment, huge deficit, and passing a budget. But hey, the politicians have to have something "positive" to bring back to the folks back, for the upcoming elections. / sarcasm
And if you vote for (D) (filibuster proof majority) who are running around saying "(R) are blocking everything" OR the (R) neo socialists saying "we're not as bad as the (D)" you should get your head checked. Vote third Party. REALLY express your discontent. Don't put the same two groups that got us here back into power.
But, if you're really clever, you can do something like four sets of octets to tell people, it is about as intuitive as URL shorteners.
I actually can't remember any of the "short urls" that go to sites that I like. URL shortening does nothing to help me remember where the heck that site was. URL shortening is just a lazy man's href that does nothing to help people find a useful site again.
And it tells you nothing about what you're about to click. When I see the obfuscated but short URL, all I can think of is "hear comes Goatsex" or was it tubgirl? Two girls and a cup?
No thanks.
We the people ....
Someone needs to parody that commercial (Evo vs iPhone) with a script that goes something like this:
iPhone User: You're gonna get a virus from that FART app
Evo User: I don't care
iPhone: You're gonna have your money drained from your bank account
Evo; I don't care
and what about the users who download 4 different "FART" applications because they are "funny" (or whatever) that share phone numbers and GPS to advertisers and remote servers?
One Word: 1D10T
Or
How about a rating system of "trust" by an independent third party that reviews and establishes what each application that it processes has access to, and what it sends where.
This is a problem that is looking for a solution to be provided. But rather than whining it requires a team of people to implement and market. Hell, I've given you the idea already, and I'm sure there is some money to be made doing it.
Just hire me as consultant when you can.
Not really. We have a nanny state that is hell bent on protecting the idiots and children from all the evils of the world,while neglecting to remember that the nanny state itself is evil.
When we realize that the nanny state is just as evil as everything it is trying to protect us from, then we'll truly be free ... again.
People in Ivory Towers always love to treat everyone else like idiots needing their superior guidance. Because we're too stupid to function in a society without their wisdom and knowledge.
Gee thanks, now I gotta pee.
This is actually insightful, and would force the issue. People would do anything to get their porn.
However the problem with 6 vs 4 is that 4 works. It works well enough with NAT for most things. People aren't going to change until they absolutely have to. And right now, almost nobody "has to", so it isn't going to happen.
It is going to take someone like Google to force us to switch.
Corporations are a creation of the state. The problem is we forget that little nugget when dealing with them. And when the creation can rule over the creator .. nothing good can become of it.
I wish I had mod points today. But you're already at +5 so ... ;)
Corporates server under charter of the state. They exist as a creation of the state. And as such the state should be able to revoke the charter under certain conditions, and the board of directors and Chief officers arrested and held criminally.
The board is there to make sure that the Officers are doing their job, and if everyone is on the same ticket, they should be tossed into the same cell to rot.
I'm for free markets, and liberty to people. Not corporate collectivism and rights to non-person entities.
what you forget, is what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Time to troll for your boss. Put up that picture from the company Christmas Party, the drunken one where he's groping the Assistant VP of whatever.
Nobody is perfect, Facebook is more than just me posting about me. It is about what others post about me.
"Make it easier to convict them on involuntary manslaughter charges"
No, wrong, beep, honk, ERROR ...
VOLUNTARY manslaughter or second degree murder. They knew their actions could cause death, but they don't care enough to change their behavior. I'd vote for Death penalty for people like this, except for one small detail, I'm against the death penalty
People having server resources for apps should tie the app to the server via some sort of registration code tied to a phone #, email and/or something else. A simple three way sanity check would suffice, and if done right would be no more than a single packet of data each direction.
In fact, If I was an app developer, I'd build such a system into all my apps. I'd give the apps away with a free 3/10/30 day "trial" period. People paying the fee (service) would continue unabated, and get free updates, etc. I'd hope that my apps weren't crap, and people would be willing to simply pay me the $12 year (or whatever) to keep using said app.
But then again, I'm sure many people would balk at $12/yr (three lattes). Can't afford that? You probably shouldn't have a smart phone you cheap bastard.
I think that falls under "except for Oracle DBs and big Corporation purchases."
If you have exabyte size data, that sensitive and important, you're by definition a "big Corporation".
Q.E.D.