So to me, it seems that you want to deny people these completely harmless outlets, which in turn creates more child rapists. Sounds like you're *for* more child rapists. You sick fuck.
I'm the sick one? That's interesting, considering they are the ones getting off on little children (real or otherwise).
Of course in the world of twisted evil people, I'm the sick one for NOT wanting it to exist at all.
Explain exactly how one can "view" something like child porn and not possess it? You see, it is sophistry like this that creates crappy laws (one of my points in another sub-thread).
And spreading child porn DOES harm someone, namely the kid in the picture. I would also suggest that it also harms the one viewing it, but I'm sure you think no harm can be found in viewing anything (Goatse even!) The fact is, once you see something, you can't undo that. And if it doesn't harm anyone, would you want you mom, sister, daughter, granddaughter looking running across it?
My reading and comprehension skills are quite fine. I stated that HE is a Child Predator because he sought out child porn, without people like that, the exploitation of children wouldn't exist. Because he didn't actually "cause" direct harm to the child is nothing more than a legal / technical detail, which I vehemently disagree with.
Child abuse is one of the worse crimes upon society. I have little use for people who are into little kids.
Well, if you ask me, child abuse is the worst of all crimes. It truly scars society.
And I have NO problem tossing the book at child abusers of any sort.
However, that is where all these "laws" come into effect. When wonderful people possessing "child porn" get arrested, they use lame excuses like "Research", and "But I didn't take the pictures" as excuses and get off.
The only way to fix such crappy excesses of sophestry is to create more and more restrictive laws, closing all the various "loopholes" used to get such monsters off the hook.
Bad Cases create bad laws. So, before you start criticizing bad laws, look at the cases used as examples of why such laws are needed in the first place!
When people can claim (see somewhere above) that it is just a "sexual fetish" and imply that there is nothing "wrong" with wacking off to child porn, you can understand why such laws come into being, because people like that sit as judges somewhere.
If we just enforced the laws we have evenly and justly and swiftly, we'd have no need to add more laws for every loophole "discovered" by some judge and lawyer somewhere.
There is REALLY no need for it, at any level. There is no amount of humor, irony, enlightenment, story telling, satire... etc that excuses people even using such imagery.
In fact, I would expressly say that it is a sign of lack of sophistication. When one argues to the lowest common denominator, you're left with nothing but the gutter. No thanks
HE is a child predator. Same as a getaway driver is a bank robber and murderer, even though he didn't go into the bank, hold a gun, shoot the guard etc.
He is Accessory after the fact at the very least.
While you, are even worse than he is. You are the real person I'm scared of. While the child predators are eventually found out and prosecuted, those that ENABLE them to exist, like yourself, are even more evil because you hide behind subtlety and nuance.
You scare the crap out of me, because you see nothing wrong with child porn, and call it "sexual fetish". You call it what you want, but exploitation of the defenseless and weak among us is pure evil, and anyone trying to justify it for any reason is evil.
Most bean counter types don't have a clue why they have all those over priced techies on the payroll, and when cost cutting comes along, they make an easy target.
I don't have to go around in bad weather fixing crappy equipment, as I'm a Network Analyst, but the details could easily fit my job.
Most of the time, I'm watching, monitoring, tweaking, updating, and so on. That's my job when the shit isn't hitting the fan. Most of the time I can avert disaster by seeing the shit before it hits the fan.
BTW, our department is going down to 60% of staffing, and when we were fully staffed we were "understaffed". I'm not sure how much longer I can keep the shit away from the fan.
You're making different arguments than the point I was making.
If you had asked me, I would have said DRM is like Locks on doors, but everyone has a master set of keys.
I walk around with a master set of keys, it is quite large and annoying. Trying to find the "right key" is often times a real pain, because many keys look exactly the same at first glance.
As for most of your rant, I would agree. My point was fairly limited to the point I was making. However your rant changed the subject and brought in new points, which I didn't address. My original point remains. DRM and Locks are the same thing.
And DRM is why I only buy full CDs that are full of songs I want. If a band sucks so bad, that they only have one or two songs I like, then I'll buy them on iTunes or Amazon. $.99 is throw away change.
What is amazing is that some people think that $.99 is huge outlay and that music should last "forever". I don't see the same argument being made for Laserdisc, VHS, Betamax, DVD, BlueRay etc.
But then again, that is a whole different set of points.
I've used Vista. The first time I used Vista, it was on a laptop and I had to set the wireless up for our house.
I went in the way I do it in XP, and set up Wireless SSID, encryption etc for the WAP and then.... nothing.
I spent almost three hours fiddling, deleting, adding, changing all the various options shown to me in the setup... NOTHING
Some nearly three hours later, I fumbled upon something else that resembled wireless setup, and I found an whole OTHER wireless setup thing. And in one minute, I had wireless functioning.
My question is, why is the former even an option, if it doesn't work. WHY would you have a place that has all the things to make Wireless work, only to.... you know... be utterly useless??!!!???!!!
Vista may work, and be "stable" and such, but it sucks a big one IMHO simply because it changed things it didn't need to change, legacy stuff is still around even if it doesn't work (see above), and well "Cancel or Allow".
And from what I've seen Windows 7 is actually Vista SP2. Hopefully it will have features that function when you try to use them.
"1. DRM doesn't affect availability to pirates. 2. DRM costs money to implement"
Take a look at this analogy, and you'll see the error.
1. Locks don't affect thieves ability to Break and Enter. 2. Locks costs money to implement
You completely misunderstand the point of DRM, which is to keep the honest people honest. Not that it matters to the argument here.
My daughter came home the other day boasting of finding all her music free, using Limewire. The RIAA is making a FATAL error, in trying to fight piracy. Most filesharers don't even know what they are doing is wrong, and the RIAA approach of suing little old ladys who don't even own computers isn't helping them.
What the RIAA should do is brand itself and offer a "seal of approval" to various services "selling" the music. They should then run Ads promoting the seal for "authentic" music sales. The RIAA doesn't even want to mention something like this, because it might point people to "illegal downloads". Hey RIAA, here's a clue.... people will find illegal downloading anyway.
Right now, all they have is Stick, and are not even pretending to have a carrot. So, people like my daughter, who doesn't even think, don't really know or understand the difference.
Fine, but don't complain about Starbucks and MickeyD's as being the only job you can get.
And if you buy a computer, with parts made in China, rest assure, you're just as much of the problem as anyone, as you don't care enough about the environment as long as it is someone else's back yard that pays for it.
It is like all those Kennedy Liberals wanting "clean renewable engegy" but don't want windmills blocking their view of Martha's Vineyard.
I can assure you that one of the biggest reasons we don't build toxic batteries here in the US, is because of Environmental Regulations would make them prohibitively expensive. And China would steal the tech and make them cheaper, and without a care about environmental concerns.
We have effectively regulated the ability to produce anything away.
If I were a manufacturer, I wouldn't make anything in the US either. I wouldn't even consider it.
The people whining about OGG are the ones still whining about VHS winning over Beta. They whine about the quality of sound from CD and swear that Vinyl is way better. You can also find them arguing over Plasma verses LCD TVs.
And just don't get them started over VI vs EMACS.
You see, most people are pragmatic. And they can't understand pragmatism.
No. That is not what their business is, at least not any more. I work at a school, the goal of teaching is not third or fourth (or even further) down the list.
Primary goal is to get kids to the next grade level, while maintaining minimum standards. And by Minimum Standards, I mean MINIMUM. It has come down to lowest common denominator schooling.
Second goal is indoctrination of Liberal Progressive ideology. For example, while teaching on "Global Warming" it is taught as fact, that humans are the sole cause, and there is universal consensus by all scientists. I can go on, but it would be pointless.
Third Goal, graduate people who can work as automatons in service industries.
Fourth Goal, is to provide babysitting/child care service to working parents.
Education, true education, is about teaching people to love learning. To explore, think and learn. If one sparks this love of learning then the world will open up for the students. A master teacher doesn't teach anything, s/he allows his/her students to "discover" the material.
"Teaching facts" isn't teaching. A computer can spew facts out all day long, I wouldn't call it a teacher.
Real education cannot be mass produced in a one size fits all formula. Which is why our educational system is failing.
You wonder wrong. The problem of California is large and wide spread, and isn't limited to retirement system. Actually the CA retirement system is one of the best funded retirement systems.
The problem in CA is that we've have a Democratic controlled legislature for decades and they have passed every progressive program entitlement that they could think of. And then they thought of more.
Then you have a very large section of the population that is here without proper documentation (illegal aliens), that are draining the resources of the state, and sending it back to their native country. I don't blame them either, because if I were in their boots, I'd do the exact same thing.
We live in a progressive tyranny. And they always cut fire, police and schools first, because the progressive motto is that the progressive programs are untouchable. And so is political correctness is their creed.
Problem is, people love to "stick it to the man", which is the very heart of "progressive" politics. Little do they realize that in a society that is ostensibly "Of, by and for the people", that they themselves are "the man", and when they "stick it to the man" they are harming themselves.
There is NO SUCH THING as FREE LUNCH, nor Health Care, Income, Welfare..... etc.
We have to get off envy as a motivation for governance.
Much of the problem is commercial leveraged investment instruments. Some of these leveraged instruments were bundled together in a "derivative", again adding leverage.
This all works fine and well as long as the market is going up up up. Leveraged instruments make gobs of money for those in the beginning, but like a pyramid scheme, late comers and those who stayed in way too long... end up with the short stick.
And nobody questions the leveraged invesments, nor compounded leveraging going on, because all the people at the top, are making gobs and gobs of loot.
Those people are buying the likes Chuck Shumer and GWB in a spread the wealth around and keep the regulators off our back protection racket.
You end up with 20 + years where this is working and then BAM, it all comes apart at the first sign of collapse.
If you think about it, all the people making money for the last 10 years or so, didn't make anything, just trading paper back and forth.
And now, they are continuing the scam, with Trillions of dollars of international treasuries trying to keep the scam going.
The problem is, nobody is willing to do "Nothing", which is the ONLY thing we can do, until reality sets in. The shit isn't worth what people STILL think it is worth. Some of it has negative net value, but nobody is asking for those holding the negative valued paper to pony up.
Why? Because they that have the negative value assets own the politician on both sides of the isles.
(D) bad, (R) bad, and both are in the race for "worst".
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So to me, it seems that you want to deny people these completely harmless outlets, which in turn creates more child rapists. Sounds like you're *for* more child rapists. You sick fuck.
I'm the sick one? That's interesting, considering they are the ones getting off on little children (real or otherwise).
Of course in the world of twisted evil people, I'm the sick one for NOT wanting it to exist at all.
Explain exactly how one can "view" something like child porn and not possess it? You see, it is sophistry like this that creates crappy laws (one of my points in another sub-thread).
And spreading child porn DOES harm someone, namely the kid in the picture. I would also suggest that it also harms the one viewing it, but I'm sure you think no harm can be found in viewing anything (Goatse even!) The fact is, once you see something, you can't undo that. And if it doesn't harm anyone, would you want you mom, sister, daughter, granddaughter looking running across it?
My reading and comprehension skills are quite fine. I stated that HE is a Child Predator because he sought out child porn, without people like that, the exploitation of children wouldn't exist. Because he didn't actually "cause" direct harm to the child is nothing more than a legal / technical detail, which I vehemently disagree with.
Child abuse is one of the worse crimes upon society. I have little use for people who are into little kids.
Well, if you ask me, child abuse is the worst of all crimes. It truly scars society.
And I have NO problem tossing the book at child abusers of any sort.
However, that is where all these "laws" come into effect. When wonderful people possessing "child porn" get arrested, they use lame excuses like "Research", and "But I didn't take the pictures" as excuses and get off.
The only way to fix such crappy excesses of sophestry is to create more and more restrictive laws, closing all the various "loopholes" used to get such monsters off the hook.
Bad Cases create bad laws. So, before you start criticizing bad laws, look at the cases used as examples of why such laws are needed in the first place!
When people can claim (see somewhere above) that it is just a "sexual fetish" and imply that there is nothing "wrong" with wacking off to child porn, you can understand why such laws come into being, because people like that sit as judges somewhere.
If we just enforced the laws we have evenly and justly and swiftly, we'd have no need to add more laws for every loophole "discovered" by some judge and lawyer somewhere.
There is REALLY no need for it, at any level. There is no amount of humor, irony, enlightenment, story telling, satire ... etc that excuses people even using such imagery.
In fact, I would expressly say that it is a sign of lack of sophistication. When one argues to the lowest common denominator, you're left with nothing but the gutter. No thanks
All laws are Moral, you just want to push the moral law towards Sodom.
Some people don't want to live in a society defined by the "lowest common denominator". Thank you for your opinion.
HE is a child predator. Same as a getaway driver is a bank robber and murderer, even though he didn't go into the bank, hold a gun, shoot the guard etc.
He is Accessory after the fact at the very least.
While you, are even worse than he is. You are the real person I'm scared of. While the child predators are eventually found out and prosecuted, those that ENABLE them to exist, like yourself, are even more evil because you hide behind subtlety and nuance.
You scare the crap out of me, because you see nothing wrong with child porn, and call it "sexual fetish". You call it what you want, but exploitation of the defenseless and weak among us is pure evil, and anyone trying to justify it for any reason is evil.
Asshole!
Exactly right!
Most bean counter types don't have a clue why they have all those over priced techies on the payroll, and when cost cutting comes along, they make an easy target.
I don't have to go around in bad weather fixing crappy equipment, as I'm a Network Analyst, but the details could easily fit my job.
Most of the time, I'm watching, monitoring, tweaking, updating, and so on. That's my job when the shit isn't hitting the fan. Most of the time I can avert disaster by seeing the shit before it hits the fan.
BTW, our department is going down to 60% of staffing, and when we were fully staffed we were "understaffed". I'm not sure how much longer I can keep the shit away from the fan.
You're making different arguments than the point I was making.
If you had asked me, I would have said DRM is like Locks on doors, but everyone has a master set of keys.
I walk around with a master set of keys, it is quite large and annoying. Trying to find the "right key" is often times a real pain, because many keys look exactly the same at first glance.
As for most of your rant, I would agree. My point was fairly limited to the point I was making. However your rant changed the subject and brought in new points, which I didn't address. My original point remains. DRM and Locks are the same thing.
And DRM is why I only buy full CDs that are full of songs I want. If a band sucks so bad, that they only have one or two songs I like, then I'll buy them on iTunes or Amazon. $.99 is throw away change.
What is amazing is that some people think that $.99 is huge outlay and that music should last "forever". I don't see the same argument being made for Laserdisc, VHS, Betamax, DVD, BlueRay etc.
But then again, that is a whole different set of points.
I've used Vista. The first time I used Vista, it was on a laptop and I had to set the wireless up for our house.
I went in the way I do it in XP, and set up Wireless SSID, encryption etc for the WAP and then .... nothing.
I spent almost three hours fiddling, deleting, adding, changing all the various options shown to me in the setup ... NOTHING
Some nearly three hours later, I fumbled upon something else that resembled wireless setup, and I found an whole OTHER wireless setup thing. And in one minute, I had wireless functioning.
My question is, why is the former even an option, if it doesn't work. WHY would you have a place that has all the things to make Wireless work, only to .... you know ... be utterly useless??!!!???!!!
Vista may work, and be "stable" and such, but it sucks a big one IMHO simply because it changed things it didn't need to change, legacy stuff is still around even if it doesn't work (see above), and well "Cancel or Allow".
And from what I've seen Windows 7 is actually Vista SP2. Hopefully it will have features that function when you try to use them.
STFU RTFM
"1. DRM doesn't affect availability to pirates.
2. DRM costs money to implement"
Take a look at this analogy, and you'll see the error.
1. Locks don't affect thieves ability to Break and Enter.
2. Locks costs money to implement
You completely misunderstand the point of DRM, which is to keep the honest people honest. Not that it matters to the argument here.
My daughter came home the other day boasting of finding all her music free, using Limewire. The RIAA is making a FATAL error, in trying to fight piracy. Most filesharers don't even know what they are doing is wrong, and the RIAA approach of suing little old ladys who don't even own computers isn't helping them.
What the RIAA should do is brand itself and offer a "seal of approval" to various services "selling" the music. They should then run Ads promoting the seal for "authentic" music sales. The RIAA doesn't even want to mention something like this, because it might point people to "illegal downloads". Hey RIAA, here's a clue .... people will find illegal downloading anyway.
Right now, all they have is Stick, and are not even pretending to have a carrot. So, people like my daughter, who doesn't even think, don't really know or understand the difference.
People just want what they want.
While $trysremaining) do
echo $trysremaining +
call did.i.get.in (,End.While)
End.While
(Don't criticize my programming, I suck!)
I only found half my clothes, and yet I'm fully clothed.
Though, this bra is a tad binding, and I can't snap it together.
Welcome to slashdot!
Moses? Is that you?
Fine, but don't complain about Starbucks and MickeyD's as being the only job you can get.
And if you buy a computer, with parts made in China, rest assure, you're just as much of the problem as anyone, as you don't care enough about the environment as long as it is someone else's back yard that pays for it.
It is like all those Kennedy Liberals wanting "clean renewable engegy" but don't want windmills blocking their view of Martha's Vineyard.
I can assure you that one of the biggest reasons we don't build toxic batteries here in the US, is because of Environmental Regulations would make them prohibitively expensive. And China would steal the tech and make them cheaper, and without a care about environmental concerns.
We have effectively regulated the ability to produce anything away.
If I were a manufacturer, I wouldn't make anything in the US either. I wouldn't even consider it.
The people whining about OGG are the ones still whining about VHS winning over Beta. They whine about the quality of sound from CD and swear that Vinyl is way better. You can also find them arguing over Plasma verses LCD TVs.
And just don't get them started over VI vs EMACS.
You see, most people are pragmatic. And they can't understand pragmatism.
Their business is to teach
No. That is not what their business is, at least not any more. I work at a school, the goal of teaching is not third or fourth (or even further) down the list.
Primary goal is to get kids to the next grade level, while maintaining minimum standards. And by Minimum Standards, I mean MINIMUM. It has come down to lowest common denominator schooling.
Second goal is indoctrination of Liberal Progressive ideology. For example, while teaching on "Global Warming" it is taught as fact, that humans are the sole cause, and there is universal consensus by all scientists. I can go on, but it would be pointless.
Third Goal, graduate people who can work as automatons in service industries.
Fourth Goal, is to provide babysitting/child care service to working parents.
Education, true education, is about teaching people to love learning. To explore, think and learn. If one sparks this love of learning then the world will open up for the students. A master teacher doesn't teach anything, s/he allows his/her students to "discover" the material.
"Teaching facts" isn't teaching. A computer can spew facts out all day long, I wouldn't call it a teacher.
Real education cannot be mass produced in a one size fits all formula. Which is why our educational system is failing.
Replace DHS with any of the other alphabet soup agencies and see if it still works.
Does for me. Picking on one distracts from the greater truth.
Would that make ... OSS developers .....
Non-Prophets for Non-profits?
You wonder wrong. The problem of California is large and wide spread, and isn't limited to retirement system. Actually the CA retirement system is one of the best funded retirement systems.
The problem in CA is that we've have a Democratic controlled legislature for decades and they have passed every progressive program entitlement that they could think of. And then they thought of more.
Then you have a very large section of the population that is here without proper documentation (illegal aliens), that are draining the resources of the state, and sending it back to their native country. I don't blame them either, because if I were in their boots, I'd do the exact same thing.
We live in a progressive tyranny. And they always cut fire, police and schools first, because the progressive motto is that the progressive programs are untouchable. And so is political correctness is their creed.
Makes for lousy way to run a state (or country)
Basic Libertarian Principle there!
Problem is, people love to "stick it to the man", which is the very heart of "progressive" politics. Little do they realize that in a society that is ostensibly "Of, by and for the people", that they themselves are "the man", and when they "stick it to the man" they are harming themselves.
There is NO SUCH THING as FREE LUNCH, nor Health Care, Income, Welfare ..... etc.
We have to get off envy as a motivation for governance.
I'm all for it, I'll move to all cash exchanges, and save even more. Will work for cash!
Thank,
Much of the problem is commercial leveraged investment instruments. Some of these leveraged instruments were bundled together in a "derivative", again adding leverage.
This all works fine and well as long as the market is going up up up. Leveraged instruments make gobs of money for those in the beginning, but like a pyramid scheme, late comers and those who stayed in way too long ... end up with the short stick.
And nobody questions the leveraged invesments, nor compounded leveraging going on, because all the people at the top, are making gobs and gobs of loot.
Those people are buying the likes Chuck Shumer and GWB in a spread the wealth around and keep the regulators off our back protection racket.
You end up with 20 + years where this is working and then BAM, it all comes apart at the first sign of collapse.
If you think about it, all the people making money for the last 10 years or so, didn't make anything, just trading paper back and forth.
And now, they are continuing the scam, with Trillions of dollars of international treasuries trying to keep the scam going.
The problem is, nobody is willing to do "Nothing", which is the ONLY thing we can do, until reality sets in. The shit isn't worth what people STILL think it is worth. Some of it has negative net value, but nobody is asking for those holding the negative valued paper to pony up.
Why? Because they that have the negative value assets own the politician on both sides of the isles.
(D) bad, (R) bad, and both are in the race for "worst".
I thought congress was one of the international crime rings. Silly me.