19. The Initial September 2001 Inquiry at the Eagan, MN
Kinkos: On October 17, 2002, I spoke with Minneapolis FBI Special
Agent David Rapp. At that time, SA Rapp told me that, to the best of SA
Rapps unrefreshed recollection, on or about September 19, 2001, SA
Rapp went to the Kinkos store in Eagan, Minnesota, to inquire about
a receipt found on the person of Zacarias Moussaoui at the time of his arrest.
At that time, SA Rapp met with a person who represented himself as a
Kinkos employee responsible for managing and maintaining customer computer
workstations. At that time, the Kinkos employee informed SA Rapp, in
substance, as follows:
(A) The Kinkos receipt did indicate that a computer workstation had
been utilized;
(B) It could not be determined from the copy of the Moussaoui receipt alone
which computer workstation was used;
(C) In response to SA Rapps inquiry about the possibility of acquiring
any information from the computer workstations regarding the use of the computers
by Moussaoui, the Kinkos employee stated that, since the date of the
receipt, all computers had been wiped clean/formatted and started with a
fresh install; and,
(D) The computer workstations were generally wiped weekly or bi-weekly
approximately, even though Kinkos policy called for weekly wipings.
At a minimum, the Eagan Kinkos store wiped the computers at least once
per month.
[....]
21. Eagan Follow-up: On October 11, 2002, I requested that
the Minneapolis FBI Field Office contact Kinkos personnel at the Eagan
store and determine if, as alleged by the defense, the Kinkos computer
could still maintain evidence of defendant Zacarias Moussaouis use
from August 2001. On or about October 15, 2002, Special Agents Brendan Hansen
and Christopher Lester visited the Eagan Kinkos and interviewed Brian
Fay, who, as of August 11, 2001, was one of two Kinkos employees who
knew how to restore an image onto the six computers with internet access
designated for customer use. Mr. Fay stated that the six computers presently
at the store are the same computers (with the same hard drives) that were
present in August of
2001. These six computers are leased and scheduled to be replaced at the
end of this year.
The computers are maintained by formatting the computers
hard drives and reloading an image using Norton Ghost whenever business is
slow and time allows. There are no logs recording the dates or frequency
of loading images on to the computers and Fay could not estimate how frequently
they were imaged. Although Fay was not personally familiar with the exact
details of the formatting and imaging process he administers to the computers,
Fay had been advised by Kinkos that the formatting and restoration
process destroyed all files associated with previous users.
The document states that image files were generated fo the contents of the hard drives. I do not have confidence that an image would also display latent data.
I know myself that when I do a data recovery on a system, I can get many more megs of recovered data from file fragments, deleted folders, etc than can fit on the drive. Most of this extra stuff ias junk data, but you get the idea.
There is no substitue for the original.
Recovery can require a minimum of specialized software or be as complicated as looking at the platters under an electron microscope. I see nothing here that indicates use of such specialized technology, and yet this is supposed to be a national security matter.
The trend in Norway is however quite the opposite, more and more schools are realizing that there is several good alternatives, Linux being one of them.
It is an evil anti-Microsoft plot. Make the poor company spend all that money translating the product into a minority language, and then make sure to not buy it anyhow.
Another example of the corporate concern with possible and potential profits taking precicence over any sense of ethics.
the mafioso mentality continues to spread. It must be nice as a stock holder, to have someone like this, who will make money for you without any heavy duty ethical pondering on you part.
Flush the toilet before it backs up..... oops, too late.
And you wonder what will be left in the USA if everyone is working in MacDonalds. The USA is the Greatest Market in the World, but not if everyone is reduced to flipping burgers because of the lack of anything better.
Of course this is not limited to Engineers. Take a look at this story abouty Maytag closing a factory for cheaper labor in Mexico.
No. If all of the H1B visas were revoked, companies wouldn't hire less qualified US workers, nor would they retrain. Instead, millions of jobs would move overseas almost instantly, where most companies already have development centers.
Note the Quote from the HP rep cited in my original post. Which is my point.
The line you object to is a one line condensation of a multipage article by someone else, who is more emotional on the subject. I took that and developed it further to look at the reduction of the population of technology workers as a long term trend.
It is part of the larger scene of short term thinking sabotaging long term prospects.
A Professional Football player might have a job for 10 to 15 years. In the tech industry, It now looks like that for a similar 10 to 15 year career, you need to spend 4 to 7 of it as a student, since by 35 or 40, you are dog meat and over the hill.
Try paying off your school loan in seven years after college.
Definitely fits into the Lack of Fun category.
Let me get this straight. You seriously think that paying the miniscule fraction of the US population that worked in his factory a little more money helped get the entire country richer to the point that they could all afford the cars that small percentage of workers produced at the higher prices? You seem to have drank the Reaganomics kool-aid.
As usual, the devil is in the details. The fact of being able to afford the cars was only one aspect. you can argue free advertising, and paying for the cars defrayed the cost, etc. but there's more. to quote from something I found on the net:
On January 5, 1914 Henry Ford's announcement of the
incredible $5 dollar/day plan swept the newspapers across the nation. The Detroit Journal announced, the surprise of the labor leaders and the consternation of manufacturers, Henry Ford announced on Jan 5, 1914 that a minimum wage of $5 dollars/day would be instituted immediately in the Ford plants, along with a profit sharing plan for all male employees.
Not only did Henry Fords new deal shock the nation, it sent a tremendous number of workers to Detroit. For the next ten years people would do anything to become a worker of one of Henry Ford's plants. It was unheard of to be offered $5/day by any automobile company. In fact the average salary for most was a mere $2.50/day at GM and Chryslers. But Henry Ford's $5/day plan was truly an illusion, it allowed for greater control of his workers. It was said that "The 5 dollar/day plan was an important early attempt at implementing a corporate welfare program." Ford wanted to see his company prosper, his employees were a part of this company.
The development of the Sociology department would allow Henry Ford to exploit his employees private lives. "Employees were advised by investigators on how to live in order to receive his/hers share of the profits." The result of this was a tight knit community with no corruption. This department also monitored the daily happenings in the plant. In fact, the department had over 1000 informers who would notify the department if any stealing or illegal plans were taking place. Social workers conducted extensive interviews on subjects ranging from household finances to sexual patterns. It was stated at that time that, the intrusion into workers lives, in the minds of Ford officials, was a small price to pay for increased wages, efficiency, production, and in the end profits for the Ford Motor Company.
Thank you very much for caring enough to post, and to show some emotion in the issue.
That said, I am NOT the author of the original article in question. I merely summed it up for those who do not feel like reading the original, which is lengthy.
Also, If you check out the H1B Hall of Shame at Zazona.com, you can see the documentation for the numbers.
I think it is fair to say that a million jobs would go far to solving that jobless situation in America.
The basic philosophical problem is as follows:
When there isn't enough to go around, who do you choos first?
This is the nasty social issue. Should I volunteer my friends and family to starve so you can live high on the hog? no? or merely even live? Ah, a nasty question. Sorry to say, I am a selfish sort. My friends and family come first.
It becomes like all of the other flame wars, like emacs vs vi, etc. - except now lives and livelyhoods are on the line.
Feel free to call this racist. It is merely a survival point. Yours as well as mine. If we can not find a better solution, then someone winds up having to lose.
And it is driven by the economics of the companies using the workers against each other, using them like pawns in their economics games. It is no fun being a broken pawn.
My ultimate point is that the companies, instead of investing in well paid workers because this will build the overall market, are destroying the overall markert for the sake of short term gain. This is in the long run suicidal, not just for the companies, but for the well being of the country that most people in the world want to immigrate to.
if the major business is flipping burgers, we got a problem.
I actually think that a major factor to the problem is the corporate culture, but that is a diatribe for another time. but you may want to check out this link:
Essentially, if all of the H1B visas were revoked, you could have jobs for all of the unemployed tech workers.
Story telling time:
Back when Henry Ford was starting to build cars, one of the famous things he did was to yes, work his workers hard, but he also gave them wages far above what was normal for the day and age. This was to help prime the pump of demand for his product. If you had a country of poor people, then no-one could really buy your expensive product, and you would never have a mass market. Thus it was in his long term interest to pay his workers well.
Fast forward to the present day, where you have this quote:
"We're trying to move everything we can offshore," HP Services chief Ann Livermore told Wall Street analysts.
And you wonder what will be left in the USA if everyone is working in MacDonalds. The USA is the Greatest Market in the World, but not if everyone is reduced to flipping burgers because
of the lack of anything better.
The SeeSaw of Economic forces may take centuries to balance out. In the meantime, all we have is the great sucking sound of jobs getting sucked out over seas.
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A new way of networking, an enhancement on sneaker-net. You pass the whole computer.
[insert segway to semi serious thought]
Which is an interesting concept in itself - you do not send just the data packets, but the computational packages as well. This would not be useful so much on earth, but would be more important in interplanetary civilization.
And in 1992 the winner of this award would have gotten it for having a plain website, because blink tags were oh so cool...
Unless you like ugly logos. I still have a business from the guys at the link. It is much worse that the logo, as hard is that is to imagine.
No sense of perspective whatsoever.
open air microwave ovens
on
802.11 RF Amp
·
· Score: 2
RF can get into ANYTHING... as a 1st class FCC license holder, and former Chief Engineer of a 25KW FN station, I know only too well what RF can do. Ask your food, when you take it out of the Microwave oven.
I used to be a radar tech. I used to fondly call the things and open air microwave oven.
Which brings up the usual questions of frequency range and power. One or two probably are no great shakes, but a Special High Intensity Test would be needed if you had a bunch of them
Also, for some reason the following query bugs out completely:
http://www.lovecalculator.com/love.php?name1=Micro soft+Office&name2=a+retarded+sewer+rat
Slashdot Mirror
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The Eagan, Minnesota Kinkos Computers
This would be rather thorough, it seems.19. The Initial September 2001 Inquiry at the Eagan, MN Kinkos: On October 17, 2002, I spoke with Minneapolis FBI Special Agent David Rapp. At that time, SA Rapp told me that, to the best of SA Rapps unrefreshed recollection, on or about September 19, 2001, SA Rapp went to the Kinkos store in Eagan, Minnesota, to inquire about a receipt found on the person of Zacarias Moussaoui at the time of his arrest. At that time, SA Rapp met with a person who represented himself as a Kinkos employee responsible for managing and maintaining customer computer workstations. At that time, the Kinkos employee informed SA Rapp, in substance, as follows:
(A) The Kinkos receipt did indicate that a computer workstation had been utilized;
(B) It could not be determined from the copy of the Moussaoui receipt alone which computer workstation was used;
(C) In response to SA Rapps inquiry about the possibility of acquiring any information from the computer workstations regarding the use of the computers by Moussaoui, the Kinkos employee stated that, since the date of the receipt, all computers had been wiped clean/formatted and started with a fresh install; and,
(D) The computer workstations were generally wiped weekly or bi-weekly approximately, even though Kinkos policy called for weekly wipings. At a minimum, the Eagan Kinkos store wiped the computers at least once per month.
[....]
21. Eagan Follow-up: On October 11, 2002, I requested that the Minneapolis FBI Field Office contact Kinkos personnel at the Eagan store and determine if, as alleged by the defense, the Kinkos computer could still maintain evidence of defendant Zacarias Moussaouis use from August 2001. On or about October 15, 2002, Special Agents Brendan Hansen and Christopher Lester visited the Eagan Kinkos and interviewed Brian Fay, who, as of August 11, 2001, was one of two Kinkos employees who knew how to restore an image onto the six computers with internet access designated for customer use. Mr. Fay stated that the six computers presently at the store are the same computers (with the same hard drives) that were present in August of 2001. These six computers are leased and scheduled to be replaced at the end of this year.
The computers are maintained by formatting the computers hard drives and reloading an image using Norton Ghost whenever business is slow and time allows. There are no logs recording the dates or frequency of loading images on to the computers and Fay could not estimate how frequently they were imaged. Although Fay was not personally familiar with the exact details of the formatting and imaging process he administers to the computers, Fay had been advised by Kinkos that the formatting and restoration process destroyed all files associated with previous users.
ouch
The document states that image files were generated fo the contents of the hard drives. I do not have confidence that an image would also display latent data.
I know myself that when I do a data recovery on a system, I can get many more megs of recovered data from file fragments, deleted folders, etc than can fit on the drive. Most of this extra stuff ias junk data, but you get the idea.
There is no substitue for the original.
Recovery can require a minimum of specialized software or be as complicated as looking at the platters under an electron microscope. I see nothing here that indicates use of such specialized technology, and yet this is supposed to be a national security matter.
It is an evil anti-Microsoft plot. Make the poor company spend all that money translating the product into a minority language, and then make sure to not buy it anyhow.
After all, it isn't like they have the money.
;-)
the mafioso mentality continues to spread. It must be nice as a stock holder, to have someone like this, who will make money for you without any heavy duty ethical pondering on you part.
Flush the toilet before it backs up ..... oops, too late.
I recommend German for all government titles of such offices.
;-)
It has a certain satiric edge
Of course this is not limited to Engineers. Take a look at this story abouty Maytag closing a factory for cheaper labor in Mexico.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/26/national/26MAYT. html
People are very unhappy. Except in this case, it's a factory town, and entire families are getting nailed.
Note the Quote from the HP rep cited in my original post. Which is my point.
The line you object to is a one line condensation of a multipage article by someone else, who is more emotional on the subject. I took that and developed it further to look at the reduction of the population of technology workers as a long term trend.
It is part of the larger scene of short term thinking sabotaging long term prospects.
A Professional Football player might have a job for 10 to 15 years. In the tech industry, It now looks like that for a similar 10 to 15 year career, you need to spend 4 to 7 of it as a student, since by 35 or 40, you are dog meat and over the hill.
Try paying off your school loan in seven years after college. Definitely fits into the Lack of Fun category.
As usual, the devil is in the details. The fact of being able to afford the cars was only one aspect. you can argue free advertising, and paying for the cars defrayed the cost, etc. but there's more. to quote from something I found on the net:
- On January 5, 1914 Henry Ford's announcement of the
incredible $5 dollar/day plan swept the newspapers across the nation. The Detroit Journal announced, the surprise of the labor leaders and the consternation of manufacturers, Henry Ford announced on Jan 5, 1914 that a minimum wage of $5 dollars/day would be instituted immediately in the Ford plants, along with a profit sharing plan for all male employees.
Happy Now?Not only did Henry Fords new deal shock the nation, it sent a tremendous number of workers to Detroit. For the next ten years people would do anything to become a worker of one of Henry Ford's plants. It was unheard of to be offered $5/day by any automobile company. In fact the average salary for most was a mere $2.50/day at GM and Chryslers. But Henry Ford's $5/day plan was truly an illusion, it allowed for greater control of his workers. It was said that "The 5 dollar/day plan was an important early attempt at implementing a corporate welfare program." Ford wanted to see his company prosper, his employees were a part of this company.
The development of the Sociology department would allow Henry Ford to exploit his employees private lives. "Employees were advised by investigators on how to live in order to receive his/hers share of the profits." The result of this was a tight knit community with no corruption. This department also monitored the daily happenings in the plant. In fact, the department had over 1000 informers who would notify the department if any stealing or illegal plans were taking place. Social workers conducted extensive interviews on subjects ranging from household finances to sexual patterns. It was stated at that time that, the intrusion into workers lives, in the minds of Ford officials, was a small price to pay for increased wages, efficiency, production, and in the end profits for the Ford Motor Company.
Thank you very much for caring enough to post, and to show some emotion in the issue.
That said, I am NOT the author of the original article in question. I merely summed it up for those who do not feel like reading the original, which is lengthy.
Also, If you check out the H1B Hall of Shame at Zazona.com, you can see the documentation for the numbers.
I think it is fair to say that a million jobs would go far to solving that jobless situation in America.
The basic philosophical problem is as follows: When there isn't enough to go around, who do you choos first?
This is the nasty social issue. Should I volunteer my friends and family to starve so you can live high on the hog? no? or merely even live? Ah, a nasty question. Sorry to say, I am a selfish sort. My friends and family come first.
It becomes like all of the other flame wars, like emacs vs vi, etc. - except now lives and livelyhoods are on the line.
Feel free to call this racist. It is merely a survival point. Yours as well as mine. If we can not find a better solution, then someone winds up having to lose.
And it is driven by the economics of the companies using the workers against each other, using them like pawns in their economics games. It is no fun being a broken pawn.
My ultimate point is that the companies, instead of investing in well paid workers because this will build the overall market, are destroying the overall markert for the sake of short term gain. This is in the long run suicidal, not just for the companies, but for the well being of the country that most people in the world want to immigrate to.
if the major business is flipping burgers, we got a problem.
I actually think that a major factor to the problem is the corporate culture, but that is a diatribe for another time. but you may want to check out this link:
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountabili ty/porter_township_ordinance.html
http://www.radiofreenation.net/article.pl?sid=02/1 2/03/0426254
also at: http://www.altnewsring.com/jobs.html
Essentially, if all of the H1B visas were revoked, you could have jobs for all of the unemployed tech workers.
Story telling time:
Back when Henry Ford was starting to build cars, one of the famous things he did was to yes, work his workers hard, but he also gave them wages far above what was normal for the day and age. This was to help prime the pump of demand for his product. If you had a country of poor people, then no-one could really buy your expensive product, and you would never have a mass market. Thus it was in his long term interest to pay his workers well.
Fast forward to the present day, where you have this quote: "We're trying to move everything we can offshore," HP Services chief Ann Livermore told Wall Street analysts.
And you wonder what will be left in the USA if everyone is working in MacDonalds. The USA is the Greatest Market in the World, but not if everyone is reduced to flipping burgers because of the lack of anything better.
The SeeSaw of Economic forces may take centuries to balance out. In the meantime, all we have is the great sucking sound of jobs getting sucked out over seas.
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Slashdot strikes again
well ring tones could be longer than a phone number, so this is a slightly different kettle of fish. but a similar idea, true
Therefore, someone could create a comprehensive database of all possible ringtone combinations, copyright it, and publish it.
Then sue the RIAA for infringement.
ho ho ho
well I didn't havwe enough caffeine, and so decided to go with a bad pun.
[cue image of a high tech basketball team on segway scooters]
One tip - Don't Dribble the Ball!
A new way of networking, an enhancement on sneaker-net. You pass the whole computer.
[insert segway to semi serious thought]
Which is an interesting concept in itself - you do not send just the data packets, but the computational packages as well. This would not be useful so much on earth, but would be more important in interplanetary civilization.
http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~uacs/events/bottle.ht ml
What are they putting in the food up there?
I can recall at more than one person who would set their screen rez incredibly high, so everything would be incredibly tiny.
This way nothing would be readable except when you are really close to the screen. a good way to mess with managers and older ciollege professors.
Now they'll have to set the rez even higher.
the humanity
Unless you like ugly logos. I still have a business from the guys at the link. It is much worse that the logo, as hard is that is to imagine.
No sense of perspective whatsoever.
I used to be a radar tech. I used to fondly call the things and open air microwave oven.
Which brings up the usual questions of frequency range and power. One or two probably are no great shakes, but a Special High Intensity Test would be needed if you had a bunch of them
parasites
The limit is three words per field [shrug]
remember, this is not my widget [smile]
What you want is Richard Stallman loves Steve Ballmer 26%
Bill Gates Free Software Foundation 95 %
Well, this is based on numerology somehow ... The usual industrial size grain of salt applies.
But maybe it means that Bill Gates is desperately fighting against his inner geek, who would really love Free Software, etc.
the Love Caculator demonstrates that
Draw your own conclusions. cute little widget.