KMail has always worked with SMTP for me, without any changes.
If you follow the bug trail from the link I posted, you'll see that none of the KDE team disputes the presence of this problem. However they pass it off as a poorly worded error message. If you are using a version of KMail > 3.2 RC1, and you don't have an email address for any identity, KMail will not send mail.
I also find it hard to believe that anybody would claim rebooting would fix it if it was broken, so I think you are making this up.
You didn't READ the link that went along with my message did you? The bug is there, several people posted to it, and someone said that it worked after reboot. Sadly, I don't find it hard to believe that someone would argue on slashdot without so much as reading supporting evidence.
Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Error loading 'kio-audiocd'.
What process was supposed to get started? What is an io-slave and why were you trying to create it? What is klauncher? What is 'kio-audiocd'? Why was there an error loading kio-audiocd? What are the likely causes of this error?
I'm not sure what it was the error dialog was in response to (even the mirror is slashdotted now), but here's what I think would be a better error dialog for the average user:
Could not play CD. There may be no CD inserted or the disc may be scratched.
Then go ahead and add a small "debug info" button that has the previous information of use to developers. End users have a pretty fair chance of solving this one. The 5% of those who have some other problem can then use the extra information and google for it.
I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with exim. I say this because, as reported in the bug report, you can put a sniffer on the line and you'll find that Kmail will not send a single packet to the server.
The problem appears to be unique to Kmail builds starting at 3.2 RC1. The underlying problem is known (uninformative error message if you do not set an email address with your default profile), and several people have found oddball ways to "fix" it. What it really boils down to is if you compose a message in Kmail before configuring an email address, kmail will never send another email until you manually delete all messages composed before you fixed the missing email address from the inbox.
There is a bug linked to the one I referred to where someone figured out "oh, I changed this and now it does work" and the bug got resolved as "WORKSFORME". KMail has a bad design flaw that needs fixing, but everyone is dismissive of this bug.
(as a side note, I have twiddled every kmail option, restarted, everything, and kmail will still not send mail via SMTP. I gave up and am using Mozilla which worked the very first time I tried.)
We'd jump all over this if this problem existed in Outlook.
Interestingly enough, you probably don't want to drink that straight up. De-ionized water will kill you
Here is what someone, who has spent 26 years working with blood products, on the page you linked to says:
The difference between the osmotic pressure of blood and tap water, de-ionized water and distilled water are almost identical. All three will lyse cells to the same degree. If you want to drink tap water, de-ionized water or distilled water then go ahead.[...]By the way, I have been working with blood, blood products and designing haemodialysis, plasmaphoresis and tissue culture machines for 26 years and have drunk hundreds of gallons of de-ionized water in that time.
Kind of debunks your argument that de-ionized water is toxic when one drinks it. You further say:
some guys thought "hey, this de-ionized stuff must be really great water" and decided to use it to make coffee and whatnot. A short while later they were essentially dying of diarrhea.
That should have been your first clue you were way out in left field. If you make coffee with it, the water isn't de-ionized anymore now is it? Caffeine, tanins, proteins, sugars, lipids, all manner of electrically charged molecules are now in it. There isn't a whole lot a normal person would add to water which leaves it de-ionized.
De-ionized water will cause enough osmotic pressure to rupture the cell membranes of ordinary tissue. This is why water enters your body through your GI tract. As is said on the link you posted, don't inject the stuff, drink it.
Let's see... your link makes no mention of people at Intel, or diarrhea symptoms... In fact all you get is somebody, with no biological research credentials, talking in a metal industry forum on osmotic shock?
I'd like to rebut the argument you linked to, but one of the replies RIGHT THERE ON THE PAGE already does it.
De-ionized water will kill you (it will cause an electrolytic imbalance in your system) It happened at Intel some time ago
Umm... Link?
This sounded pretty outlandish to me. I checked google and it didn't come up with anything even close.
Any water reduces the electrolyte concentration in your blood. There's nothing wrong with drinking pure distilled water. If you aren't replenishing your macro-nutrient electrolytes through some other method, even water with ions isn't going to save you. Diarrhea can cause hyponatremia, but hyponatremia does not cause diarrhea. Nothing you said sounds right, unless these people were drinking several GALLONS of water (de-ionized or not) a day.
if over the course of a month you use 500kWh, is that not 500kWh/month? Dividing time by time? Perhaps you can open your brain a bit, stop being stubborn, accept that you know I know what I'm saying, and that math is different than english.
Um, seriously you should pay attention to what you are saying if you really do know what you're talking about. kWh/month is a measure of power. kWh is a measure of energy. And kW/h is -- I dunno what it is -- joules per time squared? Dividing by time isn't the problem, but some of what you said is.
So no, saying its uses 300 watts per hour 24/7 is not at all incorrect. It is precisely how you pay your bill.
Here you took your incorrect "kilowatt/hour" mechanism and ran with it. A kilowatt/hour is NOT a kWh. 300 watts per hour is joules per time squared, which doesn't make much sense unless you deal with large power transfer system where there is a rate of change of energy.
You are charged by the number of joules you use. It doesn't matter if you use 3kWh in one day, or in one month, you get charged the same.
I'm not complaining at you, of course, I'm bitching at the author and at some people in the OS community
After calming down and re-reading the article, I think I had it wrong. The author is not from the OS community. He's a Mac zealot. What he is really attacking is Linux in general. I think slashdot posted it because ESR-bashing has become fashionable.
That's why he makes statements like
'Unix nerds who care about usability are switching to Mac OS X in droves'!
He's evangelizing OS X. I think the mature Mac fans out there need to give him a swift kick for making them look like immature brats with comments like:
(Hereafter referred to as A.T., because the name Aunt Tillie is so queer that it makes yours truly a tad queasy.)
I am sure there was some good things to be said in this article, but I get kind of pissed off when I read crap like this:
(Side note: parallel port? What year is it in the Raymond household?)
You know, we keep complaining about "attitude" taken by some of our open source comrades, and this is precisely the kind of crap we don't need being written. I still have a cd-rom drive that connects to a special connector placed onto an old ISA sound blaster that I also still have. It isn't actually connected, but the wonder of it is that LINUX STILL SUPPORTS IT.
People who come off with this "only use the latest" attitude really annoy me. A LaserJet 6MP is a very respectable printer. Parallel ports are still fast and reliable. Not everybody feels the need to upgrade to USB 2.0 printers just because that is "trendy". People like me, who take good care of their equipment, tend to have legacy items that ARE STILL PERFECTLY GOOD lying around. And furthermore WE LIKE LINUX **BECAUSE** of its EXCELLENT support of older hardware (although parallel port printers aren't exactly old).
Debate is a good thing at any venue, but this sort of Red Herring / Ad Hominem attack is *NOT* constructive and makes us look like a bunch of infighting children.
Premise: Google's PageRank algorithm takes known good information and twists its context when displaying search results
Conclusion: Mark Maughan, an accountant, searched Google for his name on March 25 2003 and found some 'alarming, false, misleading and injurious' information about himself and his firm.
The problem is, it is not clear to us that the premise is true. Does page rank twist the context? Specifically in this instance it begs the question, "Was the information returned really incorrect?"
It'd be nice if a place like groklaw would pick up on this. I'd be very interested in reading the actual complaint.
Insuring doctors in a state with no medical tort reform is a net loss. The greedy insurance company would not pull out of a whole state unless that state were simply unprofitable. That seems to suggest that lawsuits have a lot to do with medical costs.
There is not a single state in the U.S. where medical malpractice OR health insurance premiums have come down by $0.01 since the introduction of any tort "reform" measure.
You are neglecting to mention that medical malpractice and health insurance premiums are shooting up in states that do not have any tort reform measure. The rate of growth in protected states is lower than that of unprotected states.
(The Nevada legislature enacted a reform measure, but malpractice lawyers and departing insurance companies are quick to point out that its constitutionality hasn't been determined, thus the standard "sky's the limit" policy remains the force driving out insurance companies)
I have one. Have had it for months. Why it is news that it should support Linux makes no sense to me - it's a USB device. The really nice thing about the mouse is that it's RF so you don't have to worry about whether the mouse is pointed correctly at the receiver.
It's really cool using this thing with some MAME games though. Particularly star wars... you wave your arm around like some mad fool trying to shoot tie fighters.
That is rather nebulous (what is the exact definition of GPL compatible?), but it points out that the GPL is very much encumbered, although it does try and strawman the argument.
And I think the "encumberances" of the GPL basically do little more than to say that you can't take someone's code and take away the freedom that you had when you redistribute it.
Sure it does. It says you cannot even link to the GPL code without GPL'ing your code. You don't have to modify a single line of the GPL source code and *poof* you either GPL your source or you unlink. That sounds pretty encumbered to me.
60 minutes did a piece on this company (you can read Sas's blurb on it here). They are hiring programmers. Nothing below a master's degree and Ph.D. preferred. But if you have one of those and want to work 35 hours/week with competitive pay and obscenely generous perks, you should apply.
Your post tells of smacks of an attitude all too typical in open source... You believe only code gurus should criticize software. Eric may or may not be a code guru, but that argument is flat wrong. Bad interface is why Linux is taking so long to make inroads on the desktop. It's a legitimate problem that needs to be addressed and maybe *JUST MAYBE* people who write code are not the best user interface designers. Maybe users are simply not as deterministic as software.
Anyone who can't configure CUPS shouldn't be talking about ignorance...
Do you even KNOW who Eric S. Raymond is?
Your credentials had better be damned good before you go around casting aspersions like that. There aren't too many names in open source software bigger than his.
Quite honestly I think the state of Nevada knows it is treading on questionable grounds. If you read their brief in opposition of certiorari, they use some truly circular reasoning to try and sidestep the law in question. Notably:
On one occasion Hiibel asked Dove why he needed to provide his identification. Dove explained that he needed Hiibel's identification because of the reported fight. During this encounter Hiibel even placed his hands behind his back and told Dove to take him to jail. In light of Hiibel's refusal to provide identification, Dove placed him under arrest for the crime of resisting an officer pursuant to NRS 199.280.
Okay, so now that he has been arrested for not providing identification:
Once a person is detained on reasonable suspicion they are considered to be seized under the Fourth Amendment. Davis v. Mississippi 394 U.S. 721 (1969); Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968).
And then
One of the questions put before this court is whether the right of privacy found in the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution protects a person from being compelled to provide identification after he is lawfully detained by an officer. The state contends that compelling a lawfully detained person to identify himself is reasonable when balancing the interests of law officers and a person's right of privacy and/or right to be free from arbitrary interference with law officers."
Ummm... yeah... let's see... Officer says "let me see your I.D.", if you refuse he can detain you on reasonable suspicion, and now that you are lawfully detained the public interest is served by forcing you to identify yourself... *HOW* is it again that one is expected to be free from arbitrary interference with law officers?
Sounds like they can arbitrarily get your ID legally to me.
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There is nothing there whatsoever about deionized water except in the header it is described as "distilled/deonized" as if they were the same thing.
Distilled water is deionized. That is why they use distilled water as the benchmark, deionized water is not as pure.
You are hopeless, and you do not know what you are talking about.
Read and learn.
KMail has always worked with SMTP for me, without any changes.
If you follow the bug trail from the link I posted, you'll see that none of the KDE team disputes the presence of this problem. However they pass it off as a poorly worded error message. If you are using a version of KMail > 3.2 RC1, and you don't have an email address for any identity, KMail will not send mail.
I also find it hard to believe that anybody would claim rebooting would fix it if it was broken, so I think you are making this up.
You didn't READ the link that went along with my message did you? The bug is there, several people posted to it, and someone said that it worked after reboot. Sadly, I don't find it hard to believe that someone would argue on slashdot without so much as reading supporting evidence.
What is an io-slave and why were you trying to create it?
What is klauncher?
What is 'kio-audiocd'?
Why was there an error loading kio-audiocd?
What are the likely causes of this error?
I'm not sure what it was the error dialog was in response to (even the mirror is slashdotted now), but here's what I think would be a better error dialog for the average user:Then go ahead and add a small "debug info" button that has the previous information of use to developers. End users have a pretty fair chance of solving this one. The 5% of those who have some other problem can then use the extra information and google for it.
I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with exim. I say this because, as reported in the bug report, you can put a sniffer on the line and you'll find that Kmail will not send a single packet to the server.
The problem appears to be unique to Kmail builds starting at 3.2 RC1. The underlying problem is known (uninformative error message if you do not set an email address with your default profile), and several people have found oddball ways to "fix" it. What it really boils down to is if you compose a message in Kmail before configuring an email address, kmail will never send another email until you manually delete all messages composed before you fixed the missing email address from the inbox.
There is a bug linked to the one I referred to where someone figured out "oh, I changed this and now it does work" and the bug got resolved as "WORKSFORME". KMail has a bad design flaw that needs fixing, but everyone is dismissive of this bug.
Don't forget if you want to use kmail...
Rename the default identity, add an email address, shutdown kmail, reboot the machine, and then MAYBE you can send messages via SMTP.
(as a side note, I have twiddled every kmail option, restarted, everything, and kmail will still not send mail via SMTP. I gave up and am using Mozilla which worked the very first time I tried.)
We'd jump all over this if this problem existed in Outlook.
Let's read what you originally wrote:
Interestingly enough, you probably don't want to drink that straight up. De-ionized water will kill you
Here is what someone, who has spent 26 years working with blood products, on the page you linked to says:
The difference between the osmotic pressure of blood and tap water, de-ionized water and distilled water are almost identical. All three will lyse cells to the same degree. If you want to drink tap water, de-ionized water or distilled water then go ahead.[...]By the way, I have been working with blood, blood products and designing haemodialysis, plasmaphoresis and tissue culture machines for 26 years and have drunk hundreds of gallons of de-ionized water in that time.
Kind of debunks your argument that de-ionized water is toxic when one drinks it. You further say:
some guys thought "hey, this de-ionized stuff must be really great water" and decided to use it to make coffee and whatnot. A short while later they were essentially dying of diarrhea.
That should have been your first clue you were way out in left field. If you make coffee with it, the water isn't de-ionized anymore now is it? Caffeine, tanins, proteins, sugars, lipids, all manner of electrically charged molecules are now in it. There isn't a whole lot a normal person would add to water which leaves it de-ionized.
De-ionized water will cause enough osmotic pressure to rupture the cell membranes of ordinary tissue. This is why water enters your body through your GI tract. As is said on the link you posted, don't inject the stuff, drink it.
Let's see... your link makes no mention of people at Intel, or diarrhea symptoms... In fact all you get is somebody, with no biological research credentials, talking in a metal industry forum on osmotic shock?
I'd like to rebut the argument you linked to, but one of the replies RIGHT THERE ON THE PAGE already does it.
Come on, you did read the link before posting it?
De-ionized water will kill you (it will cause an electrolytic imbalance in your system) It happened at Intel some time ago
Umm... Link?
This sounded pretty outlandish to me. I checked google and it didn't come up with anything even close.
Any water reduces the electrolyte concentration in your blood. There's nothing wrong with drinking pure distilled water. If you aren't replenishing your macro-nutrient electrolytes through some other method, even water with ions isn't going to save you. Diarrhea can cause hyponatremia, but hyponatremia does not cause diarrhea. Nothing you said sounds right, unless these people were drinking several GALLONS of water (de-ionized or not) a day.
if over the course of a month you use 500kWh, is that not 500kWh/month? Dividing time by time? Perhaps you can open your brain a bit, stop being stubborn, accept that you know I know what I'm saying, and that math is different than english.
Um, seriously you should pay attention to what you are saying if you really do know what you're talking about. kWh/month is a measure of power. kWh is a measure of energy. And kW/h is -- I dunno what it is -- joules per time squared? Dividing by time isn't the problem, but some of what you said is.
So no, saying its uses 300 watts per hour 24/7 is not at all incorrect. It is precisely how you pay your bill.
Here you took your incorrect "kilowatt/hour" mechanism and ran with it. A kilowatt/hour is NOT a kWh. 300 watts per hour is joules per time squared, which doesn't make much sense unless you deal with large power transfer system where there is a rate of change of energy.
You are charged by the number of joules you use. It doesn't matter if you use 3kWh in one day, or in one month, you get charged the same.
So does this mean I can finally migrate off of Mosaic??
I'm not complaining at you, of course, I'm bitching at the author and at some people in the OS community
After calming down and re-reading the article, I think I had it wrong. The author is not from the OS community. He's a Mac zealot. What he is really attacking is Linux in general. I think slashdot posted it because ESR-bashing has become fashionable.
That's why he makes statements like
'Unix nerds who care about usability are switching to Mac OS X in droves'!
He's evangelizing OS X. I think the mature Mac fans out there need to give him a swift kick for making them look like immature brats with comments like:
(Hereafter referred to as A.T., because the name Aunt Tillie is so queer that it makes yours truly a tad queasy.)
I am sure there was some good things to be said in this article, but I get kind of pissed off when I read crap like this:
(Side note: parallel port? What year is it in the Raymond household?)
You know, we keep complaining about "attitude" taken by some of our open source comrades, and this is precisely the kind of crap we don't need being written. I still have a cd-rom drive that connects to a special connector placed onto an old ISA sound blaster that I also still have. It isn't actually connected, but the wonder of it is that LINUX STILL SUPPORTS IT.
People who come off with this "only use the latest" attitude really annoy me. A LaserJet 6MP is a very respectable printer. Parallel ports are still fast and reliable. Not everybody feels the need to upgrade to USB 2.0 printers just because that is "trendy". People like me, who take good care of their equipment, tend to have legacy items that ARE STILL PERFECTLY GOOD lying around. And furthermore WE LIKE LINUX **BECAUSE** of its EXCELLENT support of older hardware (although parallel port printers aren't exactly old).
Debate is a good thing at any venue, but this sort of Red Herring / Ad Hominem attack is *NOT* constructive and makes us look like a bunch of infighting children.
How to terraform a planet:
Step 1: Devise a reliable method of getting vehicles to the planet.
Step 2: Terraform the planet.
I think we should work on step 1 before worrying about step 2.
Premise: Google's PageRank algorithm takes known good information and twists its context when displaying search results
Conclusion: Mark Maughan, an accountant, searched Google for his name on March 25 2003 and found some 'alarming, false, misleading and injurious' information about himself and his firm.
The problem is, it is not clear to us that the premise is true. Does page rank twist the context? Specifically in this instance it begs the question, "Was the information returned really incorrect?"
It'd be nice if a place like groklaw would pick up on this. I'd be very interested in reading the actual complaint.
The fact is that profit and greed by insurance companies have driven medical costs through the roof in this country, not lawsuits.
Really? Then why are medical insurance companies pulling out of Nevada?
Insuring doctors in a state with no medical tort reform is a net loss. The greedy insurance company would not pull out of a whole state unless that state were simply unprofitable. That seems to suggest that lawsuits have a lot to do with medical costs.
There is not a single state in the U.S. where medical malpractice OR health insurance premiums have come down by $0.01 since the introduction of any tort "reform" measure.
You are neglecting to mention that medical malpractice and health insurance premiums are shooting up in states that do not have any tort reform measure. The rate of growth in protected states is lower than that of unprotected states.
(The Nevada legislature enacted a reform measure, but malpractice lawyers and departing insurance companies are quick to point out that its constitutionality hasn't been determined, thus the standard "sky's the limit" policy remains the force driving out insurance companies)
I have one. Have had it for months. Why it is news that it should support Linux makes no sense to me - it's a USB device. The really nice thing about the mouse is that it's RF so you don't have to worry about whether the mouse is pointed correctly at the receiver.
It's really cool using this thing with some MAME games though. Particularly star wars... you wave your arm around like some mad fool trying to shoot tie fighters.
That is rather nebulous (what is the exact definition of GPL compatible?), but it points out that the GPL is very much encumbered, although it does try and strawman the argument.
In other words, the GPL is heavily encumbered. That was my point.
And I think the "encumberances" of the GPL basically do little more than to say that you can't take someone's code and take away the freedom that you had when you redistribute it.
Sure it does. It says you cannot even link to the GPL code without GPL'ing your code. You don't have to modify a single line of the GPL source code and *poof* you either GPL your source or you unlink. That sounds pretty encumbered to me.
If you do know of any, please, PLEASE let us know!
Sas. Now you know.
60 minutes did a piece on this company (you can read Sas's blurb on it here). They are hiring programmers. Nothing below a master's degree and Ph.D. preferred. But if you have one of those and want to work 35 hours/week with competitive pay and obscenely generous perks, you should apply.
show me the code, or shut up
Have you looked for the code?
Your post tells of smacks of an attitude all too typical in open source... You believe only code gurus should criticize software. Eric may or may not be a code guru, but that argument is flat wrong. Bad interface is why Linux is taking so long to make inroads on the desktop. It's a legitimate problem that needs to be addressed and maybe *JUST MAYBE* people who write code are not the best user interface designers. Maybe users are simply not as deterministic as software.
Anyone who can't configure CUPS shouldn't be talking about ignorance...
Do you even KNOW who Eric S. Raymond is?
Your credentials had better be damned good before you go around casting aspersions like that. There aren't too many names in open source software bigger than his.
Okay, so now that he has been arrested for not providing identification:
And then
Ummm... yeah... let's see... Officer says "let me see your I.D.", if you refuse he can detain you on reasonable suspicion, and now that you are lawfully detained the public interest is served by forcing you to identify yourself... *HOW* is it again that one is expected to be free from arbitrary interference with law officers?
Sounds like they can arbitrarily get your ID legally to me.