Programing languages are tools. The only objective comparison for tools is the objects they can produce; programs. So to objectively compare programing languages you must compare programs that do exactly the same thing but are written with different programing languages.
Now how easily would you create an asynchronously interactive web site without javascript and how would it perform?
I have learned to program in about a dozen programming languages over the years plus many frameworks for some of them. I can;t claim to be proficient (or efficient) in all of them but what I can claim is this: The only languages/frameworks I have no headaches about are the ones I have drilled down on and put an effort into understanding at the most involved level they allow.
In most cases it's not the language but the attitude/predisposition that creates problems.
That's what happens when you let monochrome/boring people rule over domains they haven't got the slightest clue about.
No, seriously anyone who understands photography (or art) will very clearly tell you that those two pictures do not represent the same thing.... Damn justice! You can do better than that!
openbox+fbpanel+pcmanfm+nm-applet+gedit+QtCreator+gnome-term+ario+smplayer+chromium+libreoffice+my own apps
When you are done with my refrigerator, would you mind giving it back please?:-P
Anyway, I think that; if you are able to roll your own it's definitely preferable. But my initial post was just to contradict the AC who trolled at the prime spot. In general I prefer gnome as a base for my systems, mostly I think because I have become good at bending it my way. Still I have to acknowledge that KDE does offer a complete desktop env that in the right hands can surpass a gnome based workstation os.
that's why I like the xmonad window manager. Sure you have to master haskell and unix in order to make it work for you but on top of a gnome environment or a good self roll it's just plain awesome! (pun not intended)
No, it doesn't. It actually rocks. I really have become bored of all that desktop environment hate going on in semi knowledgeable circles (cough.../. cough....) . KDE has always been a powerhouse of a desktop environment and a feature complete one at that. It definitely can become option heavy but this is exactly what a user that needs a productive environment wants.
The only thing that I don't like about KDE is that whenever I touch an "out of the box" implementation of it I feel like using an overpolished windows NT machine. But that is only the KDE aesthetics not being my kind of soup. Software wise it still is a top notch environment.
You stopped using virtual desktops in order to adapt to an OS?!?!?!?
Ok, I can see some logic in that.. Hell, If I go back to dead trees and graphite my servers and 30" displays will make for a hell of a paper weight! Also, I'm sure that at that point I wouldn't care what OS they ran either.
Yep. vocabularies are only of use use to people who both: 1) want to type to get the info (And really who isn't? Moving your mouse around and looking is just so 80s) 2) have a very similar linguistic background as the people who created the applications vocabulary. (Siamese siblings will be delighted)
But hey, as I always say: "You have to commit to the idea to discover how deeply flawed it is"
OMG I had to scroll down 200 "the widget is copied from apple" comments to find a poster actually focusing on the subject! Event if it is an ill fated attempt at being funny.
Anyway. what I can't get my head around is that: If it's working as they say why are they only showing one side of the screen and at that have the screen pointed into a light box with a printed 3D environment wallpaper.
Well, as I said in a comment above, it is doable. It probably will get expensive (but when you involve render farms what isn't) but you can certainly do it, ec2 is not a toy infrastructure anymore. What I really want to see though is how it would compare to one of those comercial rent-a-farms like www.renderrocket.com
Rendering projects tend to be quite small in their models form. When utilizing a render farm you really don't have that much I/O after the initial project upload. granted a big project (a movie) might have gigabytes of texture data but still nothing that can't be uploaded in half a day or so. After that it's all internal I/O (which in ec2 is very fast), the control server telling the nodes what to render and providing render assets and the nodes just returning rendered products and requesting new tasks. After the task is complete you just have to download the rendered products and you are good for post processing:-)
Also, I don't think your argument stands. It is very affordable if you are in that line of busyness. Hell if you are a hobbyist and have a couple hundred € to burn, you can run a mini jaguar for the weekend, just to get a feel for it.
Queue the "but it's cheaper than owning a render farm" comments!
But, hey! It actually is cheaper when you can't utilize a render farm as efficiently as big studios can. I think this is a prime example of rent-a-hpc done right.
Do you have some magical way to stay current on a topic, and ignore it at the same time?
I am equipped with sensors that allow me to draw informations from my environment, through optical and acoustic measurements. I have an understanding of basic reasoning and am capable of distinguishing patterns amongst continuous or fragmented input. I have access to a web of interconnected computers that allow me to enrich, verify and share my knowledge.
While I know that all of that is not a great feat it might be enough to elucidate your image of me. If on the other hand you are puzzled by my use of the verb "ignore" in conjunction with your implication that I am "ignorant", please remember that me avoiding to acknowledge or notice news about a topic doesn't guarantee that I won't have to deal with it through my environment.
It has? Sorry, it's closer to a decade since I lost interest in Microsoft server products and for what I know they haven't managed to come up with something comparable to a Linux/BSD server anyway, so I pretty much ignore them.
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Programing languages are tools. The only objective comparison for tools is the
objects they can produce; programs.
So to objectively compare programing languages you must compare programs
that do exactly the same thing but are written with different programing languages.
Now how easily would you create an asynchronously interactive web site
without javascript and how would it perform?
I have learned to program in about a dozen programming languages over the years plus many frameworks for some of them. I can;t claim to be proficient (or efficient) in all of them but what I can claim is this: The only languages/frameworks I have no headaches about are the ones I have drilled down on and put an effort into understanding at the most involved level they allow.
In most cases it's not the language but the attitude/predisposition that creates problems.
This phrase has always confused me.
Why is it supposed to be easier to type an apostrophe in stead of a d?
Error: Ambiguous goto label: "meeting"
program trace (nearest first)
1: goto meeting
________^
2:a snippet of code
3:email
4:IM
5:meeting
(output truncated)
Watch what you type people, there are puppies at stake!
That's what happens when you let monochrome/boring people rule over domains they haven't
got the slightest clue about.
No, seriously anyone who understands photography (or art) will very clearly tell you that those
two pictures do not represent the same thing.... Damn justice! You can do better than that!
openbox+fbpanel+pcmanfm+nm-applet+gedit+QtCreator+gnome-term+ario+smplayer+chromium+libreoffice+my own apps
When you are done with my refrigerator, would you mind giving it back please? :-P
Anyway, I think that; if you are able to roll your own it's definitely preferable. But my initial post was just to contradict the AC who trolled at the prime spot. In general I prefer gnome as a base for my systems, mostly I think because I have become good at bending it my way. Still I have to acknowledge that KDE does offer a complete desktop env that in the right hands can surpass a gnome based workstation os.
Still, just my opinion.
and stays the fuck out of my way
that's why I like the xmonad window manager. Sure you have to master haskell and unix in order to make it work for you but on top of a gnome environment or a good self roll it's just plain awesome! (pun not intended)
No, it doesn't. It actually rocks. I really have become bored of all that desktop environment hate going on /. cough....) . KDE has always been a powerhouse of a desktop
in semi knowledgeable circles (cough...
environment and a feature complete one at that. It definitely can become option heavy but this is exactly
what a user that needs a productive environment wants.
The only thing that I don't like about KDE is that whenever I touch an "out of the box" implementation of it
I feel like using an overpolished windows NT machine. But that is only the KDE aesthetics not being my
kind of soup. Software wise it still is a top notch environment.
You stopped using virtual desktops in order to adapt to an OS?!?!?!?
Ok, I can see some logic in that.. Hell, If I go back to dead trees and graphite my servers and 30" displays will make for a hell of a paper weight! Also, I'm sure that at that point I wouldn't care what OS they ran either.
If the same thing were tried on cars we'd be steering with a rudder or ailerons.
OMG that's brilliant!
"said the Microsoft human factors researcher"
Yep. vocabularies are only of use use to people who both:
1) want to type to get the info (And really who isn't? Moving your mouse around and looking is just so 80s)
2) have a very similar linguistic background as the people who created the applications vocabulary. (Siamese siblings will be delighted)
But hey, as I always say: "You have to commit to the idea to discover how deeply flawed it is"
Had this been an eponymous poster I would have been inclined to answer, even though the relation is quite apparent.
Unless someone on the outside has polarized glasses, then they'll be able to see your porn.
I can see a new market rising!
That is very, relative. Even inaccurate..
Unit costs usually decrease as unit production increases and even that is not always true (Oil industry).
Wrong IP mate
OMG I had to scroll down 200 "the widget is copied from apple" comments to find a poster actually focusing on the subject! Event if it is an ill fated attempt at being funny.
Anyway. what I can't get my head around is that:
If it's working as they say why are they only showing one side of the screen and at that have the screen pointed into a light box with a printed 3D environment wallpaper.
OK. And what exactly is this remark trying to achieve?
Except of making one feel helpless, ignored and insignificant?
CSS? not JS?
Well, as I said in a comment above, it is doable. It probably will get expensive (but when you involve render farms what isn't) but you can certainly do it, ec2 is not a toy infrastructure anymore. What I really want to see though is how it would compare to one of those comercial rent-a-farms like www.renderrocket.com
Rendering projects tend to be quite small in their models form. When utilizing a render farm you really don't have that much I/O after the initial project upload. granted a big project (a movie) might have gigabytes of texture data but still nothing that can't be uploaded in half a day or so. After that it's all internal I/O (which in ec2 is very fast), the control server telling the nodes what to render and providing render assets and the nodes just returning rendered products and requesting new tasks. After the task is complete you just have to download the rendered products and you are good for post processing :-)
Also, I don't think your argument stands. It is very affordable if you are in that line of busyness. Hell if you are a hobbyist and have a couple hundred € to burn, you can run a mini jaguar for the weekend, just to get a feel for it.
Queue the "but it's cheaper than owning a render farm" comments!
But, hey! It actually is cheaper when you can't utilize a render farm as efficiently as big studios can.
I think this is a prime example of rent-a-hpc done right.
Do you have some magical way to stay current on a topic, and ignore it at the same time?
I am equipped with sensors that allow me to draw informations from my environment, through optical and acoustic measurements. I have an understanding of basic reasoning and am capable of distinguishing patterns amongst continuous or fragmented input. I have access to a web of interconnected computers that allow me to enrich, verify and share my knowledge.
While I know that all of that is not a great feat it might be enough to elucidate your image of me.
If on the other hand you are puzzled by my use of the verb "ignore" in conjunction with your implication that I am "ignorant", please remember that me avoiding to acknowledge or notice news about a topic doesn't guarantee that I won't have to deal with it through my environment.
IIRC the subject is servers; not desktop and creativity environments. :-)
The fact that I ignore them does not make me ignorant.
Please don't try to counter or mutate my proposition by using high school debating techniques
... and you admit you're ignorant ... Maybe you'd be better off providing advice regarding platforms you're knowledgeable about?
If you have something productive to discuss to:
they (Microsoft) haven't managed to come up with something comparable to a Linux/BSD server anyway
Then please do so.
It has? Sorry, it's closer to a decade since I lost interest in Microsoft server products and for what I know they haven't managed to come up with something comparable to a Linux/BSD server anyway, so I pretty much ignore them.