Yes, I tried it again it and it indeed does work if the form submission didn't cause a server error. But if it does (which is when I have to view the source for development), mozilla seems to expire the document from the cache and doesn't want you to see the page source without regetting it from the server. So it seems a) to expire faulty pages and b) not to show expired pages. I think at least one of the two points should be fixed.
Can they handle changing a win nt/2000/XP password? I'd venture a quick guess and say that forgotton admin passwords are on of the top reasons why "expert" intervention is needed.
Obviously, the best way to demonstrate that this is the case is to prove that IBM was not working on this code prior to having joined into Project Monterey.
IOW, they just have to show that IBM didn't know how to program scalable (unix) operating systems before 199x. Seems to be easy.
Hell Yeah! Would it suck if Maher/Mike were a terrorist pilfering my credit card to fund some terrorist organizations?
But wouldn't it also suck if he had knowingly supported a terrorist organization with his donations (very, very unlikely, because that would be very dumb) and the american government was too afraid to just say that openly? The point is, there are certain rights which the state should never be allowed to take away from people, terrorists or not. Because the state - any state - will not restrict this to "real" terrorists.
this site tells us that the article you posted in now way decribes conspirady theories (I saw you quotation marks, just wanted to additionally point that out.). Especially check the older articles (pre 2000) about Iraq/Middle east, and the people behind these articles. You might find names you know.
The biography of Gobbles (also on the site) is fucking hillarious. They are (IMO) really a refreshing member of the securitiy scene. I take the freedom to quote it here for your convinience:
During the mid 70's, a poor Lithuanian was blessed with the first of the total nine children they would have, a healthy son. Over the course of the next twelve years, he was given the greatest gift that any young Lithuanian could ask for -- the title of "Big Brother" to his eight younger brothers and sisters.
The village in Lithuania that the family resided in (and, to date, still lives) was overrun with crime and corruption. Making an honest living was nearly impossible, and the family struggled on a daily basis just to get enough food to feed everyone.
The oldest son was tempted to join a gang that his friends ran with, because it seemed to be the only thing he could do to help provide for his undernourished brothers and sisters. His father, who was a very wise man, saw what was going on and shared his insight on the matter.
"Dearest Son," he said, "consider what it is you are doing, and how it will affect you later in life. It is better to live a meager life while being poor and honest, than to live a gluttonous and luxurious life as a criminal, since in the end its only your character that matters."
These words didn't have an immediate affect on the boy, and he went ahead and joined the gang with his friends. And suddenly one day, he was abducted by a rival gang and held as collateral in exchange for properties held by his own gang. His friends had no interest in giving up the possessions in exchange for his life, and his fate seemed sealed.
His father heard of the situation and found out where he was being held. Since the police force was corrupted already, and not interested in intervening, he had to take the matter into his own hands and attempt to rescue his son.
During the rescue, he managed to free his son, but was mortally wounded by a gunshot as the two fled the building. As he lay dying, in his son's arms, he said, "Son, take heed of those words I have spoken to you before. As I pass, I will no longer be capable of providing for our family, and now the responsibility is fully yours. Understand that your current lifestyle is a threat to your own well being, which now affects the welfare of our family in a more severe way. Do what is right..." and then he passed on.
The next day, the boy was working in the fields with the other poor, honest citizens of Lithuania, trying to make his father proud. The small amount of money he made depressed him and the family would often go several days without having any food. One day his mother walked in on him in the kitchen and silently observed him eating a full loaf of their bread, which was meant to last a week for the family. When he was done, she said to him, "Son, look at what you have done. You've gobbled down a weeks worth of our food."
His youngest sister, who was three at the time, was also standing there silently. She said, "Stupid GOBBLES" to him -- a nickname that would stick for the rest of his life.
The humiliation "GOBBLES" felt the next few months from having his family call him by nothing but GOBBLES was more than he could endure. He decided to leave his family and their insults behind, while he went to America to seek a better life, where the big dollar could be made and he could make enough money to better support his family, and not have to endure their constant insults. When he arrived in America, he realized exactly how much he missed his beloved family, and even in their annoying ways. He made the decision to be known as GOBBLES from then on, which is now how he introduces himself to anyone that meets him.
In recent years, GOBBLES has found a job with Victoria's Secret as a photographer. In his spare time he started a computer security research group, which is now known as GOBBLES Security. Over time they have become an icon in the security world, well known for their controversial actions and what is largely thought of as being "Unethical Full Disclosure."
GOBBLES will be presenting, "Project Honeynet: Know your Enemy" at 1800 on Saturday in Room A.
If you want rigorous definitions, you'll be working entirely within an abstract system. [...]
I really should have put a smiley at the end of my first paragraph. This was meant to be an ironic jab against the verbosity which seems to often occur both at debian-legal and in philosophic circles. Sorry. In fact, I really think you are very right esp. with the first two sentences of the post I answered to.
So the reason you prefer GPL instead of BSD is that Microsoft might come out with a better product for a short period of time, during which time some developers might become demotivated and the open source developers would become demotivated?
Searching on google indeed shows that some developers themselves think that (not all links there, but I found two with a quick glance on the summary texts). There are at least some developers not wanting to have *big company* use their code in proprietary products.
And yes, I really think this is a big difference to the case where a group of developers starts an open source project in order to catch up with an existing proprietary product. Again, I'll use google for some empirical evidence.
I'm not a GPL zealot. I also prefer practical solutions and see the problems with zealotry in any camp. One example is debian and QT/KDE after the Kde Free QT Foundation was founded, which btw. still exists today! Another is linux-kernel and bitkeeper, or Bruce Perens and his GPL/linux diatribes. But I also think that in dealing with legal stuff (i.e. licenses) one has to be careful and consequent. My main point is that indeed there's irrationality involved, and this has to be taken into account for the best success of any project. So your claim (paraphrased): People who think GPL is necessary are (a) [...] or (b) [...] or (c) irrational.
Therefore, I claim that the only people who claim that the GPL is necessary (rather than the BSD license) are those who (a) feel that open source software is inferior to closed source software, (b) feel that open source is so marginally better than closed source software that a simple influx of marketing will forever bar open source software from the market, or (c) are irrational.
See, that is why philosophers are needed there. You are clearly not one, so you forgot to add the 200 pages where you define "superior", "inferior" and "irrational" in the context of your school of thought - and other things I don't see because I'm also not a philosopher.
Seriously, there are really flaws in your thesis, because first, open source is said to be superior in the long run, not immediately. Second, there's irrationality (read emotions and motivation) involved in programming, and since microsoft would indeed be able to deliver a superior xBSD in the short run (superior defined here as market share, maybe also technical) because they could throw vast resources at the task, this might demotivate (some) developers and hurt development of the free alternative. That would be at least my practical argument for gpl over the bsd license.
Don't get me wrong though you PHP and Perl fans, both of those languages are still great at a lot of things and I'm not trying to slam PHP or Perl.
Ok, you tried to be moderate (what's that called, btw.. unflame-bait?), but let me add the full truth: If you go with pyton+(for instance) zope, you won't look back to perl/php for _any_ task;).
That's another point where the economy of software is different from other branches.
When two companies A and B make a word processor, and B folds, all A has to do is to press more cds, there's no point in hiring another programmer. Btw. that's exactly (IMO) where Bruce Perens is right.
Sound government policy can provide this stability to the economy of any nation.
No it can't. It was tried and it failed. The net effect would be that a state who tries tries shield its home companies from foreign competition will get the other nations to do the same thing to him. The effect is that local companies suffer and the economy goes down.
Look for mathematicians and physics guys which did something in the theoretical field. If you find someone in this circles who is able to communicate (that's actually the hard part), you'll get people trained to be very flexible.
I'd guess the cause of this difference might be lying deep inside some kernel/vfs(?) functions windows has, and linux (2.4.19 IIRC) has not.
In windows, there's this function which can be used to register for a directory change (don't know how it's called), and not-brand-new kernel versions don't have that. So, when some core libraries come around using this function, there should be a non hackish way to automatically register fonts when they are dropped into a directory.
I mean, I could write my own cascaded deletes, but how will those interfere with someone adding some other records in the database "in the same time"?
Hmm, funny. For one you (rightly, IMO) criticize MySQL for lacking some nice features of "real" SQL servers, but OTOH you product is written in something as cumbersome as php.
Use something transaction aware like zope (I know there are others, but I use zope), and get out of the ugly $dbh->commit(), $dbh->rollback() business. It's total nonsense to be forced to think about something like transaction boundaries in a web app, where these boundaries are clearly defined by the request and the response.
Indeed, strace is a very useful tool even for non (C-)programmers. And guess how I found out about that absymal error handling bug stated above in just an hour?;)
The problem here was that in this case I just thought I had misconfigured something (this was a new install on a new hardware) in yast, and tried out different setting for mirrors etc.
Install whatever you think is the bare minimim for you, being sure to include ftp so yast can download additional stuff later
I think yast[2] uses wget for downloading. The absolutely nasty thing is that wget is _not_ listed as a dependecy for yast[2], and that yast2 just tells you that it can't contact the server instead of complaining about a missing wget, if wget is not installed. Cost me an hour to find out.
The fact that X's process size is 287M when I only have 256mb RAM can't help much either. I know most of that's probably swapped out, but still, it's a large process.
This is a common misconception (and probably a FAQ somewhere). The number includes the memory of your graphics board, and other mmapped memory regions.
Zope provides the ZODB, which can easily be used in pure python to get persistence for any object.
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Google didn't try to sue him. They just held up (coded in lawyer speak) a big fat "Stop"-sign. Yes, they could have called just called this guy, but they choose not to. But in effect they are the only ones having a disadvantage, because they have to pay their lawyers. It's clear that the letter isn't written to make him any problems. It contained clear directions for the guy how he could resolve the matter:
"We ask that you help us to protect our brand by deleting the definition of "google" found at wordspy.com or revising it to take into account the trademark status of Google." (emphasize mine).
They sent him the letter, but they gave him free legal advice at how to avoid any problems, and following this advise can't hurt him in any way and does't cost anything.
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actually, the c&d letter alternatively asked him to note that "Google" is a of Google Technology Inc. Which is what he appears to have done.
Wow, someone mod the parent up, since it gives a whole new spin to the whole letter. If we substract the lawyer speak, the letter basically signals "please add a small note, or we'll have to hurt you". It just saves time because they show the potential consequences upfront.
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"Google" might be a trademark, but "google" isn't
But maybe they fear that something happens to them like to Xerox. If "to google" becomes a common word, maybe then their trademark would be worthless? Next, someone sets up googler.com and defends itself by purporting that "googler" cannot breach a trademark more than "searcher".
I don't know if it's in the article, because I read the original on lklm, and linus writes in one post that he didn't want to say worse is better. Instead he talked about how some perceived shortcomings of x86 had to be introduced in "better" architectures too.
So, i'd say it's not about "worse is better", but about "what you think is theoretically better isn't better at all when applied in reality".
I reread my message and must say that I didn't want to imply you copied from lklm. The intent of my comment was more to give the point that the x86-is-bad partyline is also not shared by people generally regarded as knowledgable (esp. in this place).
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Yes, I tried it again it and it indeed does work if the form submission didn't cause a server error. But if it does (which is when I have to view the source for development), mozilla seems to expire the document from the cache and doesn't want you to see the page source without regetting it from the server.
So it seems a) to expire faulty pages and b) not to show expired pages. I think at least one of the two points should be fixed.
It isn't fixed 1.3.
Can they handle changing a win nt/2000/XP password?
I'd venture a quick guess and say that forgotton admin passwords are on of the top reasons why "expert" intervention is needed.
If not, the tools are there and could be easily incorporated in either of these two packages, but until this happens, there's Offline NT Password & Registry Editor, Bootdisk to help.
Obviously, the best way to demonstrate that this is the case is to prove that IBM was not working on this code prior to having joined into Project Monterey.
IOW, they just have to show that IBM didn't know how to program scalable (unix) operating systems before 199x. Seems to be easy.
Hell Yeah! Would it suck if Maher/Mike were a terrorist pilfering my credit card to fund some terrorist organizations?
But wouldn't it also suck if he had knowingly supported a terrorist organization with his donations (very, very unlikely, because that would be very dumb) and the american government was too afraid to just say that openly?
The point is, there are certain rights which the state should never be allowed to take away from people, terrorists or not. Because the state - any state - will not restrict this to "real" terrorists.
check your facts, because you are wrong.
See for instance this link
http://www.csis.org/turkey/TU020308.htm
I quickly pulled from google.
Well,
this site tells us that the article you posted in now way decribes conspirady theories (I saw you quotation marks, just wanted to additionally point that out.). Especially check the older articles (pre 2000) about Iraq/Middle east, and the people behind these articles. You might find names you know.
If you want rigorous definitions, you'll be working entirely within an abstract system. [...]
I really should have put a smiley at the end of my first paragraph. This was meant to be an ironic jab against the verbosity which seems to often occur both at debian-legal and in philosophic circles. Sorry. In fact, I really think you are very right esp. with the first two sentences of the post I answered to.
So the reason you prefer GPL instead of BSD is that Microsoft might come out with a better product for a short period of time, during which time some developers might become demotivated and the open source developers would become demotivated?
Searching on google indeed shows that some developers themselves think that (not all links there, but I found two with a quick glance on the summary texts). There are at least some developers not wanting to have *big company* use their code in proprietary products.
And yes, I really think this is a big difference to the case where a group of developers starts an open source project in order to catch up with an existing proprietary product. Again, I'll use google for some empirical evidence.
I'm not a GPL zealot. I also prefer practical solutions and see the problems with zealotry in any camp. One example is debian and QT/KDE after the Kde Free QT Foundation was founded, which btw. still exists today! Another is linux-kernel and bitkeeper, or Bruce Perens and his GPL/linux diatribes. But I also think that in dealing with legal stuff (i.e. licenses) one has to be careful and consequent.
My main point is that indeed there's irrationality involved, and this has to be taken into account for the best success of any project.
So your claim (paraphrased):
People who think GPL is necessary are (a) [...] or (b) [...] or (c) irrational.
is always true, therefore not very significant.
Therefore, I claim that the only people who claim that the GPL is necessary (rather than the BSD license) are those who (a) feel that open source software is inferior to closed source software, (b) feel that open source is so marginally better than closed source software that a simple influx of marketing will forever bar open source software from the market, or (c) are irrational.
See, that is why philosophers are needed there. You are clearly not one, so you forgot to add the 200 pages where you define "superior", "inferior" and "irrational" in the context of your school of thought - and other things I don't see because I'm also not a philosopher.
Seriously, there are really flaws in your thesis, because first, open source is said to be superior in the long run, not immediately. Second, there's irrationality (read emotions and motivation) involved in programming, and since microsoft would indeed be able to deliver a superior xBSD in the short run (superior defined here as market share, maybe also technical) because they could throw vast resources at the task, this might demotivate (some) developers and hurt development of the free alternative. That would be at least my practical argument for gpl over the bsd license.
Don't get me wrong though you PHP and Perl fans, both of those languages are still great at a lot of things and I'm not trying to slam PHP or Perl.
;).
Ok, you tried to be moderate (what's that called, btw.. unflame-bait?), but let me add the full truth: If you go with pyton+(for instance) zope, you won't look back to perl/php for _any_ task
That's another point where the economy of software is different from other branches.
When two companies A and B make a word processor, and B folds, all A has to do is to press more cds, there's no point in hiring another programmer.
Btw. that's exactly (IMO) where Bruce Perens is right.
Sound government policy can provide this stability to the economy of any nation.
No it can't. It was tried and it failed. The net effect would be that a state who tries tries shield its home companies from foreign competition will get the other nations to do the same thing to him. The effect is that local companies suffer and the economy goes down.
Look for mathematicians and physics guys which did something in the theoretical field. If you find someone in this circles who is able to communicate (that's actually the hard part), you'll get people trained to be very flexible.
I'd guess the cause of this difference might be lying deep inside some kernel/vfs(?) functions windows has, and linux (2.4.19 IIRC) has not.
In windows, there's this function which can be used to register for a directory change (don't know how it's called), and not-brand-new kernel versions don't have that.
So, when some core libraries come around using this function, there should be a non hackish way to automatically register fonts when they are dropped into a directory.
That's just me guessing.
I mean, I could write my own cascaded deletes, but how will those interfere with someone adding some other records in the database "in the same time"?
Hmm, funny. For one you (rightly, IMO) criticize MySQL for lacking some nice features of "real" SQL servers, but OTOH you product is written in something as cumbersome as php.
Use something transaction aware like zope (I know there are others, but I use zope), and get out of the ugly $dbh->commit(), $dbh->rollback() business. It's total nonsense to be forced to think about something like transaction boundaries in a web app, where these boundaries are clearly defined by the request and the response.
Indeed, strace is a very useful tool even for non (C-)programmers. And guess how I found out about that absymal error handling bug stated above in just an hour? ;)
The problem here was that in this case I just thought I had misconfigured something (this was a new install on a new hardware) in yast, and tried out different setting for mirrors etc.
Install whatever you think is the bare minimim for you, being sure to include ftp so yast can download additional stuff later
I think yast[2] uses wget for downloading. The absolutely nasty thing is that wget is _not_ listed as a dependecy for yast[2], and that yast2 just tells you that it can't contact the server instead of complaining about a missing wget, if wget is not installed. Cost me an hour to find out.
The fact that X's process size is 287M when I only have 256mb RAM can't help much either. I know most of that's probably swapped out, but still, it's a large process.
This is a common misconception (and probably a FAQ somewhere). The number includes the memory of your graphics board, and other mmapped memory regions.
Zope provides the ZODB, which can easily be used in pure python to get persistence for any object.
Google didn't try to sue him. They just held up (coded in lawyer speak) a big fat "Stop"-sign. Yes, they could have called just called this guy, but they choose not to. But in effect they are the only ones having a disadvantage, because they have to pay their lawyers. It's clear that the letter isn't written to make him any problems.
It contained clear directions for the guy how he could resolve the matter:
"We ask that you help us to protect our brand by deleting the definition of "google" found at wordspy.com or revising it to take into account the trademark status of Google." (emphasize mine).
They sent him the letter, but they gave him free legal advice at how to avoid any problems, and following this advise can't hurt him in any way and does't cost anything.
actually, the c&d letter alternatively asked him to note that "Google" is a of Google Technology Inc. Which is what he appears to have done.
Wow, someone mod the parent up, since it gives a whole new spin to the whole letter. If we substract the lawyer speak, the letter basically signals "please add a small note, or we'll have to hurt you". It just saves time because they show the potential consequences upfront.
"Google" might be a trademark, but "google" isn't
...
But maybe they fear that something happens to them like to Xerox. If "to google" becomes a common word, maybe then their trademark would be worthless? Next, someone sets up googler.com and defends itself by purporting that "googler" cannot breach a trademark more than "searcher".
I don't know
I don't know if it's in the article, because I read the original on lklm, and linus writes in one post that he didn't want to say worse is better.
Instead he talked about how some perceived shortcomings of x86 had to be introduced in "better" architectures too.
So, i'd say it's not about "worse is better", but about "what you think is theoretically better isn't better at all when applied in reality".
I reread my message and must say that I didn't want to imply you copied from lklm. The intent of my comment was more to give the point that the x86-is-bad partyline is also not shared by people generally regarded as knowledgable (esp. in this place).