Either you are Linus Torvalds, read linux-kernel, or have nearly exactly the same opinion as linus. Show that to people here in this thread, that should be enough namedropping for slashdot.
Perhaps a better example would be blocking port 1434 at the firewall, but using that as an excuse not to patch the servers in the intranet (*cough* Microsoft *cough*).
Re:Look what happened with such a shitty consumer.
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You should a) reparse my post and convince yourself that I didn't anywhere mention something about "ATA for the enterprise". This notion, btw., is completely silly, because you will have a hard time to show me an "enterprise" with more than 10 employees which doesn't use any ATA drives. b) take a look at various offerings of ATA controllers which offer much more than two channels c) make up your mind about how the fscking hell the _communications_protocol_ has something to do with _hardware_warranties_
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Guess what? Its still on the low end. High end equipment is still using fibre-channel and scsi, including high-end X86 equipment.
and
Low-end technologies are becoming more capable, but so are high-end technologies. Technology that had its genesis in the low end is moving up the food chain into high(er) end equipment, but only after many many inprovements.
Yeah, but your definition of high end vs. low end is oriented on the side of the technological offerings, while I had more the demand side in mind.
The difference is clear when looking at the home pc market. Some years ago, you bought a cheap pc and could see that the newest version your OS/wordprocessor was giving your computer a real sweat, i.e. you saw the difference to a more expensive system. Today, I don't think it's even possible to buy a system which has problems with any office work you could throw at it.
This is the cause of a stalling pc market, low end is more often than not "good enough", and the same is happing in the server space.
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I know that a year from now, when I need a 64-bit platform for my rapidly growing DB server, AMD and Intel will be there. And Linux will be there. And so will all the jagged edges you get with very young hardware and software.
But what is in 2 years, 3, 5?
Look what happened with such a shitty consumer oriented spec like IDE (ATA). It improved, and ate the market for scsi devices from the low end. I own scsi equipment myself for my home pecee, but today I wouldn't even consider buying scsi. Today one even can consider ATA for smaller servers, because you can just buy twice the number of drives compared to SCSI and use RAID.
The same can be said for memory architecture, multiproc architecture (look at the what AMD's EV6 stuff, and the EV7-alike with the opteron). Linux is also growing into a viable OS for bigger and bigger systems.
Granted, this still quite a bit away from what sun is offering, but the point is that they _will_ steadily loose ground at the low end of their offerings, and that this low end will move higher and higher as the time goes by, shrinking their target market.
If you are doing server side programming, esp. with a html frontend, take the time and look at zope. Python+zope is a real pleasure to develop with, you just have to master the learning curve.
If you turn out code that looks the same, and does the same thing, and you admit that you have seen the original code, then you will be found guilty of copying the original code.
It's much easier, the post on lkml stated, as I understood it, that he knows how to change the linux kernel (in a "deterministic" manner) to produce the same _binary_ code! I bet you would have a hard time finding two different implementations of anything non-trivial which produce the same binary.
Well, but R.King stated on the kernel mailing list he could show how to modify the linux kernel source to produce the same _binary_ code - I really doubt I misinterpreted that.
This would make the "just used the same ideas" explanation a little bit unlikely, methinks.
It will be interesting to see how it all pans out, but I agree that we don't know the real facts at this point.
Their response is fishy. A possible interpretation of the press release might be:
They are disturbingly specific in the kernel versions they cite.
They have taken the stance that the HAL is not a subset of the kernel.
They say that some functions from the HAL are "based in part" on some linux functions.
They offer the source of the HAL ("this component").
Add to that that R.King offer very convincing hints for a copy&paste job: I have a detailed description which shows how the Linux source code can be slightly modified to produce the disputed code, with reasons [for] each modification.
Also, if 4. is true, I don't understand why they offer this sourcecode to everyone interested (poor man's attempt at gpl compliance anyone?) - normally closed-source companies try to protect the source to components of their software like mad. Castle easily could have just offered to let some choosen kernel developers look at the source under NDA, why offer to mail it out to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the big internet?
I see them using two lines of defense, first "copyright isn't relevant here, so the GPL is not relevant", i.e. ain't no copy&paste job. And "HAL is not part of the kernel, so the kernel is not in GPL violation" as a second line defense.
Certainly this is pure speculation, but it's interesting nonetheless to really read this letter and try to figure out what the hell they have in mind.
I suspect that the "mail in a floppy" tactic is so there isn't 10 million copies of the RISC OS PCI subsystem source code floating about on the 'net by next week.
Unfortunately, _iff_ the code is GPL'ed, they will have 10 million copies floating about anyway. I bet Russel King and some other guys already have their envelope put in the mail.
A "nice" two-channel system (CD player, integrated amp or receiver, speakers, cabling) probably starts at around $800 to $1000.../em
Maybe you should mention that at least 50% of the costs are spent for the speakers, since neither cd player nor amplifier have too much of an influence on sound quality if they are not complete rubbish.
But your assumption that those teensy little speakers powered by their teensy little power supply can put out 505 watts continuous is completely ludicrous.
I've heard each speaker is supplied with an itanium cpu, that would explain it.
First, the security analyzer is _relatively_ new, second, I'm not interested in just knowing what patches I have to theoretically install, this I know. Since patching (esp. MS servers) is always a risk, I want to install just the patches which are absolutely needed (i.e. just patch used components). I doubt the MSBA is a great help with that.
Btw. I was not caught by any worm/exploit/whatever, it just takes more time caring for one MS server than for 5 linux servers, and it is more risky.
Maybe MS hasn't products for ignorant people like me and SuSE has - if that's really true, MS is in deep trouble.
Well, I'm running windows servers and linux (suse) servers. And I certainly see a difference between the feasiblity of being up to date security wise with each system. First, with a typical windows system, it's IMO damn hard to know what components you are running and how it all works together - i.e. what breaks if you lock something down at installation time.
Later on, it's also sometimes very hard (IMO) to know if I have to patch or not. For instance, is it really a good to not update internet explorer since this is a server anyway? Maybe somewhere down in IIS something might use one of IE's components (pulled-out-of-my-ass example btw.). Add to that that some patches seem to need an updated IE, for to me unknown reasons...
Sometimes something might break (as reportet on ntbugtraq), and it's not really transparent for me if this can be reverted.
Compare that to (SuSE) linux. Download rpm, install, done (in many cases, when not, it's always explained in the advisories what to do). If something breaks, uninstall the rpm and reapply the old on. Nearly no downtime, I just have then to find out what didn't work.
Just from the feeling, I'm a lot more scared when I have to install a ms security fix than when I do the same on linux. And the fact that microsoft was caught with their pants down this time seems to suggest I'm in "respectable" society.
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Even the speedlimit-less highways don't compensate for that.
Maybe there are other things for compensation:
you can put a bottle of beer into your car and drive around anywhere in germany
that state doesn't think he has a business what sexual practices people do in their bedroom
there aren't draconic punishments for light drug abuse
germans can buy alcohol at the same age they get their voting rights and can get a driving license
there aren't areas in germany only remotely as strict as something like salt lake city concerning nudity (overall, the german state is by far less white-bread in these things than the us of a)
Take a look at pgadmin 2 and the pgMigration plugin, to be found at http://www.pgadmin.org
(under downloads).
pgMigration is a helper to export databases from odbc sources or access files to postgres. I have a vague memory for something more specialized for MSSQL, but I don't remember right now (take a look at the various mailing lists, perhaps).
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Either you are Linus Torvalds, read linux-kernel, or have nearly exactly the same opinion as linus.
Show that to people here in this thread, that should be enough namedropping for slashdot.
Btw., this lklm thread is really informativ.
According to this, they are lyying.
Perhaps a better example would be blocking port 1434 at the firewall, but using that as an excuse not to patch the servers in the intranet (*cough* Microsoft *cough*).
Huh?
I thought Microsoft Certified Solitaire Player?
(I know, old joke)
You should
a) reparse my post and convince yourself that I didn't anywhere mention something about "ATA for the enterprise". This notion, btw., is completely silly, because you will have a hard time to show me an "enterprise" with more than 10 employees which doesn't use any ATA drives.
b) take a look at various offerings of ATA controllers which offer much more than two channels
c) make up your mind about how the fscking hell the _communications_protocol_ has something to do with _hardware_warranties_
Guess what? Its still on the low end. High end equipment is still using fibre-channel and scsi, including high-end X86 equipment.
and
Low-end technologies are becoming more capable, but so are high-end technologies. Technology that had its genesis in the low end is moving up the food chain into high(er) end equipment, but only after many many inprovements.
Yeah, but your definition of high end vs. low end is oriented on the side of the technological offerings, while I had more the demand side in mind.
The difference is clear when looking at the home pc market. Some years ago, you bought a cheap pc and could see that the newest version your OS/wordprocessor was giving your computer a real sweat, i.e. you saw the difference to a more expensive system. Today, I don't think it's even possible to buy a system which has problems with any office work you could throw at it.
This is the cause of a stalling pc market, low end is more often than not "good enough", and the same is happing in the server space.
I know that a year from now, when I need a 64-bit platform for my rapidly growing DB server, AMD and Intel will be there. And Linux will be there. And so will all the jagged edges you get with very young hardware and software.
But what is in 2 years, 3, 5?
Look what happened with such a shitty consumer oriented spec like IDE (ATA). It improved, and ate the market for scsi devices from the low end. I own scsi equipment myself for my home pecee, but today I wouldn't even consider buying scsi.
Today one even can consider ATA for smaller servers, because you can just buy twice the number of drives compared to SCSI and use RAID.
The same can be said for memory architecture, multiproc architecture (look at the what AMD's EV6 stuff, and the EV7-alike with the opteron). Linux is also growing into a viable OS for bigger and bigger systems.
Granted, this still quite a bit away from what sun is offering, but the point is that they _will_ steadily loose ground at the low end of their offerings, and that this low end will move higher and higher as the time goes by, shrinking their target market.
If you are doing server side programming, esp. with a html frontend, take the time and look at zope. Python+zope is a real pleasure to develop with, you just have to master the learning curve.
If you turn out code that looks the same, and does the same thing, and you admit that you have seen the original code, then you will be found guilty of copying the original code.
It's much easier, the post on lkml stated, as I understood it, that he knows how to change the linux kernel (in a "deterministic" manner) to produce the same _binary_ code!
I bet you would have a hard time finding two different implementations of anything non-trivial which produce the same binary.
Well, but R.King stated on the kernel mailing list he could show how to modify the linux kernel source to produce the same _binary_ code - I really doubt I misinterpreted that.
This would make the "just used the same ideas" explanation a little bit unlikely, methinks.
It will be interesting to see how it all pans out, but I agree that we don't know the real facts at this point.
Add to that that R.King offer very convincing hints for a copy&paste job:
I have a detailed description which shows how the Linux source code can be slightly modified to produce the disputed code, with reasons [for] each modification.
Also, if 4. is true, I don't understand why they offer this sourcecode to everyone interested (poor man's attempt at gpl compliance anyone?) - normally closed-source companies try to protect the source to components of their software like mad. Castle easily could have just offered to let some choosen kernel developers look at the source under NDA, why offer to mail it out to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the big internet?
I see them using two lines of defense, first "copyright isn't relevant here, so the GPL is not relevant", i.e. ain't no copy&paste job.
And "HAL is not part of the kernel, so the kernel is not in GPL violation" as a second line defense.
Certainly this is pure speculation, but it's interesting nonetheless to really read this letter and try to figure out what the hell they have in mind.
I suspect that the "mail in a floppy" tactic is so there isn't 10 million copies of the RISC OS PCI subsystem source code floating about on the 'net by next week.
Unfortunately, _iff_ the code is GPL'ed, they will have 10 million copies floating about anyway. I bet Russel King and some other guys already have their envelope put in the mail.
I'd guess they measure peak power in a similar way like tom's hardware did for the burning athlon videos.
They use a highspeed camera, put 1000W into the system and later measure the time which elapsed till the things went up in smoke.
A "nice" two-channel system (CD player, integrated amp or receiver, speakers, cabling) probably starts at around $800 to $1000 ... /em
Maybe you should mention that at least 50% of the costs are spent for the speakers, since neither cd player nor amplifier have too much of an influence on sound quality if they are not complete rubbish.
But your assumption that those teensy little speakers powered by their teensy little power supply can put out 505 watts continuous is completely ludicrous.
I've heard each speaker is supplied with an itanium cpu, that would explain it.
..., then believe that just because it is written down that Jack P Lester has a PHD that it is actually true
...
There's an answer to this.
Hmm, maybe I should read my spam more closely
So you believe the earth is just 7000 years old?
First, the security analyzer is _relatively_ new, second, I'm not interested in just knowing what patches I have to theoretically install, this I know. Since patching (esp. MS servers) is always a risk, I want to install just the patches which are absolutely needed (i.e. just patch used components). I doubt the MSBA is a great help with that.
Btw. I was not caught by any worm/exploit/whatever, it just takes more time caring for one MS server than for 5 linux servers, and it is more risky.
Maybe MS hasn't products for ignorant people like me and SuSE has - if that's really true, MS is in deep trouble.
I was talking about rpm, not yast[2].
Well, I'm running windows servers and linux (suse) servers. And I certainly see a difference between the feasiblity of being up to date security wise with each system.
First, with a typical windows system, it's IMO damn hard to know what components you are running and how it all works together - i.e. what breaks if you lock something down at installation time.
Later on, it's also sometimes very hard (IMO) to know if I have to patch or not. For instance, is it really a good to not update internet explorer since this is a server anyway? Maybe somewhere down in IIS something might use one of IE's components (pulled-out-of-my-ass example btw.).
Add to that that some patches seem to need an updated IE, for to me unknown reasons...
Sometimes something might break (as reportet on ntbugtraq), and it's not really transparent for me if this can be reverted.
Compare that to (SuSE) linux. Download rpm, install, done (in many cases, when not, it's always explained in the advisories what to do).
If something breaks, uninstall the rpm and reapply the old on. Nearly no downtime, I just have then to find out what didn't work.
Just from the feeling, I'm a lot more scared when I have to install a ms security fix than when I do the same on linux. And the fact that microsoft was caught with their pants down this time seems to suggest I'm in "respectable" society.
Maybe there are other things for compensation:
you can put a bottle of beer into your car and drive around anywhere in germany
that state doesn't think he has a business what sexual practices people do in their bedroom
there aren't draconic punishments for light drug abuse
germans can buy alcohol at the same age they get their voting rights and can get a driving license
there aren't areas in germany only remotely as strict as something like salt lake city concerning nudity (overall, the german state is by far less white-bread in these things than the us of a)
Even aside from that, why the hell does IE do installations directly from a web page? That's beyond idiotic
So I guess you dislike mozilla too?
Hint: Google for xpinstall or go to mozdev and install a browser expansion - directroly from the web page.
You forgot to mention something about algorithms of complexity O(n*log(n)), and the sig:
Wagner LLC Consulting Co. - Getting it right the first time
If I took you for someone else, please accept my apology.
Take a look at pgadmin 2 and the pgMigration plugin, to be found at
http://www.pgadmin.org
(under downloads).
pgMigration is a helper to export databases from odbc sources or access files to postgres. I have a vague memory for something more specialized for MSSQL, but I don't remember right now (take a look at the various mailing lists, perhaps).
I wonder how you explain the success of the divx codec.