But then I got this vision of circus rink with Apple fanboys, pop-stars, tech-addicts, people-with-too-much-moneyTM and others that just MUST have an iPhone walking around the rink on their hands and knees and jumping through hoops while Steve Jobs dressed as a lion tamer (complete with a moustache) cracks a whip over their heads.
You know... Apple sold 2.1 mil. in the entire quarter. MS sold 9.3 mil. LAST MONTH. They've sold 28 mil. copies of Vista in the last quarter. That comes up to about 7.5%. About just where it should stand with that 5% of computer market share.
Oh... and MS sold 88 mil. copies of Vista so far. That is 88 mil copies of a piece of shit OS. And even without silly commercials where one annoying guy is Vista and other irritating guy is something else.
9.3 million a month! Nope... still sounds like a lot to me...
And that is screwing up?
Microsoft making what everyone agrees is a bad product, selling millions of it, making money off of it despite the bad publicity... I don't see what the shareholders would have to complain about.
If Microsoft was Coca Cola, stores would be full of untreated sewage packed in Coke bottles and people would still be buying it.
"Yeah, it tastes like shit, but what can I do? Its the newest thing. You don't expect me keep drinking that old stuff, do you?"
Microsoft sold millions of Windows Milleniums. Just think of that for a while.
There would have to be at least couple of posts depicting Steve Balmer (or the Anti-Steve as he is known to Apple fanboys), throwing chairs, jumping around and listening to the music on the Zune (brown) while chewing on a bucket of penguin drumsticks he bought from Bin Laden.
You know, MS is a near-monopoly so their products do deserve a good deal of good old unfair bashing... How is it possible to "deserve" something "unfair"?
So I guess in a couple of decades it will stop being a threat. When we run out of oil and they run out of funding and stop being interesting as an enemy.
We're the ones with systems that aren't built around playing games. Since we are down to slinging insults - you meant to say "We are the ones with weaker hardware"? Cause... despite the fact that I can do DTP or video editing easily my work or home machine - I can't play the newest games on highest details. I mean.. come on... If a machine can handle a current FPS it can handle anything. Those things eat memory, drive space and CPU and graph. cycles.
Some of us have figured out which makers fudge specs and which do not. Makers? You have someone assemble and set up a computer FOR you? What are you? A sissy?
As I mentioned, from personal experience I know Apple's minimum system requirements yield a system that is very easy to "work" on in a way a minimal Windows install is not. Work what? Surf, open folders, copy files and do word processing? Umm... phones do that these days. On the other hand if you are out to get yourself a work-horse (no matter the work) for a price of a startup Mac you can get twice the machine. But it won't come in a shiny box. And when a time for an upgrade comes along you WILL be able to do it - one component at a time.
And then you go an about - OS X 10.0? Come on, that was worlds ago. And like I said, every version after that was faster. The "Experience" claim to have means nothing when looking at today's OS X. Hey, you are the one that started talking about 7 year old laptops and so on. And if you have read on you would have seen that I've mentioned a 677 MHz G4 that had 10.2 installed on it. It came with a 10.1. Now... its specs were way above minimum for 10.2. Granted - there is something to the disks overheating too. But a slowdown was noticeable way before they died. Months before they showed any sign of failure.
The "Experience" claim to have means nothing when looking at today's OS X.
I guess people with no previous Mac experience keep forgetting that each successive OS X release has made old hardware feel faster Aah.. sooo.. you meant EACH but only AFTER jaguar?
Sorry 'bout that. I am not going to make up stories about the panther that ate my homework, or how I was once hanging from a cliff with tigers above and bellow me just so I could "prove" to you that Apple is just like all brands full of doo-doo (or would that in this case be kitty-litter?). I know for years that Apple fan-boys are not the most persuasive or logical bunch.
Maybe if I made a clever marketing trick? Something with an i in front? Naahh... its their problem. What do iCare?
If you're going to steal technology it's probably best to get the hell out of dodge after doing so and NOT call tech support or, in this case, plus a stolen NIC into the network.
Got it! Will keep that in mind next time I... umm... happen to be in a situation where a similar advice might come in handy.
And I guess that Apple users (or Intel, or AMD, or Windows, or Linux... etc...etc...) forget what it means "run" compared to "work".
On the other hand, some of us (lets call us Computer users) have to W-O-R-K on those computers and know very well that even if your OS manufacturer claims that it "runs" on XY-005 hardware configuration - for it to work properly you need XY-008 at least.
Now, I have worked on Mac OSes from 7.something (I think that it was a 7.6... not sure), over 8.various numbers and 9.somethings up untill OSX 10.2. The reason I stopped working on OSX past that point is because I have quit that job, and thankfully - there aren't many Macs "in the wild" around here.
Now... since I was the only one in the DTP/design studio that I worked at who spoke english and read manuals - I was the very soon the designated servicer of both Macs and PCs. And when stuff must work (or the guys in printing don't get their job for today/tonight/tomorrow) - you learn pretty fast. And since every Mac user around knows that you work with them - you are the local service center too.
And two main things that I have learned about Macs are: they are expensive but well built and YOU (the user) are not supposed to service them. I've also learned that most of its users are idiots (9 out of 10) who believe things such as "copy the virus infected file to a Mac, and it will de-virus itself" or who don't know jack-shit about how a computer works.
Which, when you combine it gets you a bunch of cheap-asses that are using Performas to run a diagonostic program for a car dealership that spends the value of a G5 on coffee every month, or stuck-up idiots that come to you with a broken titanium G4 and when you tell them what is wrong with it they refuse to believe you. In both cases reason is - Macs don't get broken. Or as you put it - "they go for years and years..."
So you can say that I had SOME experience with Macs. Now, all of them could RUN their advertised OSes. But working? Another story entirely. Had a G4 that worked just fine on OS9.1 and later 9.2. It came with OSX 10.0 too. Oh... that one could run, but working on it was impossible. Slow as hell. And by working I mean editing huge PSDs and TIFFs or creating a B2-B1 poster from scratch in Photoshop. Go back to OS9 - works just fine.
Had a G3 that when I came there had OS9.1. Not its original install. Later, a colegue (one of those - "lets play around with updates" guys) installed (against my advice) OS9.2. Change? Slower. Fixed? Nothing. Did something needed fixing? No.
No need to mention first generation iMacs and joys of replacing a dead hard drive.
I'll only mention a G4 (677 MHz) that came with a 10.1 but my boss decided to put a 10.2 on it. That machine was primarily used as print and file server. When I say print server I mean a dedicated machine for handling print files for image setting. And when I say file server I mean a local backup/archive machine were files were stored, sorted and recorded to CDs/DVDs for backup.
Now... 10.2 can't perhaps be blamed for all that happened. Slowdown (booting and application startup - not big.. but there... more like dragging) might have come from the problems with the disks but it was slower. And then - since an idiot (Apple) technician that has put it together placed one hard drive directly on top of another and turned them into a RAID 3 (instead of RAID 1 that my boss claimed that was set up) after about a year of 18 hour workdays - we lost about 100 GB of files due to disk failure. HILARIOUS! Two new WDs, this time without RAID, and a clean install from original 10.1 disks - works just fine still (as I am told).
Now... As for RUNING Vista on a 7-year-old laptop - I guess that you could do that. Find one that can take up to 512 MB of RAM and that has at least an 800MHz CPU and you can RUN it. But can you work with that? Doubtful.
Also, please... don't insult me with Vista. Or any new OS before a first service p
No, seriously folks, at some point these stories about Vista have to lead to a stampede away from the product. Just watch for the signs....like the one above.
The stores sold 473,000 Macs during the quarter, representing 46% year-over-year growth. Once again, over 50% of the customers buying Macs in our stores during the quarter were new to Mac. FYI - half of 473000 is 236500.
What other industry is there that abuses their customers like this? I feel like I'm being accused of criminal activity from the first second I install a MS product now. Bought any music CDs lately?
But, since we all know that laws don't count for you if you are rich, have more guns, or they can't catch you breaking it or they don't find out you did it......just keep quiet about that pirated version in public, OK? Or steal a lot of money, buy a lot of guns, and then steal some more money.
Preferably boarding and looting ships.
Well... that is what they say you are doing already anyhoow... Might as well do it the proper way...
Until Apple opens up its OS to be at least on the level that Windows is (you don't get much more closed source then hardware pre-requisite) it is not a competition. Or even a valid comparison.
Apple fanboys will buy and use Apple if it required them to install a rectal probe so it would work. For them there is no choice.
And most of the "switchers" will not switch to Macs - they will switch to Linux. Unless they are rich, arrogant and stupid enough to throw away a working computer because they are not satisfied with the OS installed. Or if we are talking just about dissatisfaction with Vista - they will switch back to XP.
Saying something-something about the new OSX influences Windows users in any way is like saying that the increasing number of sharks in the oceans influences the world's mice population. Two completely different ecosystems with no direct influence from one to another.
Yeah... because as we all know that bad guys are concentrated on sacks of money with dollar signs printed on the sides. And that they all wear black eye-masks, green hats, red shirts and blue pants.
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But then I got this vision of circus rink with Apple fanboys, pop-stars, tech-addicts, people-with-too-much-moneyTM and others that just MUST have an iPhone walking around the rink on their hands and knees and jumping through hoops while Steve Jobs dressed as a lion tamer (complete with a moustache) cracks a whip over their heads.
Yeah... it was funny.
You know... Apple sold 2.1 mil. in the entire quarter. MS sold 9.3 mil. LAST MONTH. They've sold 28 mil. copies of Vista in the last quarter.
That comes up to about 7.5%. About just where it should stand with that 5% of computer market share.
Oh... and MS sold 88 mil. copies of Vista so far. That is 88 mil copies of a piece of shit OS.
And even without silly commercials where one annoying guy is Vista and other irritating guy is something else.
9.3 million a month! Nope... still sounds like a lot to me...
And that is screwing up?
Microsoft making what everyone agrees is a bad product, selling millions of it, making money off of it despite the bad publicity...
I don't see what the shareholders would have to complain about.
If Microsoft was Coca Cola, stores would be full of untreated sewage packed in Coke bottles and people would still be buying it.
"Yeah, it tastes like shit, but what can I do? Its the newest thing. You don't expect me keep drinking that old stuff, do you?"
Microsoft sold millions of Windows Milleniums. Just think of that for a while.
God?
Superman?
Harry Potter?
No.
Whats dat?
Or will that come with the next update?
There would have to be at least couple of posts depicting Steve Balmer (or the Anti-Steve as he is known to Apple fanboys), throwing chairs, jumping around and listening to the music on the Zune (brown) while chewing on a bucket of penguin drumsticks he bought from Bin Laden.
Rest of us wondered what size were the nipples on those balloons.
I'm not gonna go into that what was going on with our telescopes.
So I guess in a couple of decades it will stop being a threat. When we run out of oil and they run out of funding and stop being interesting as an enemy.
I wonder who will be the new terrorists?
I propose vampires.
It keeps tigers away.
Would you like to buy it?
I'll throw in a coupon that can get you a discount for your Bear Patrol Tax.
Cause... despite the fact that I can do DTP or video editing easily my work or home machine - I can't play the newest games on highest details.
I mean.. come on... If a machine can handle a current FPS it can handle anything. Those things eat memory, drive space and CPU and graph. cycles. Some of us have figured out which makers fudge specs and which do not. Makers? You have someone assemble and set up a computer FOR you? What are you? A sissy? As I mentioned, from personal experience I know Apple's minimum system requirements yield a system that is very easy to "work" on in a way a minimal Windows install is not. Work what? Surf, open folders, copy files and do word processing? Umm... phones do that these days.
On the other hand if you are out to get yourself a work-horse (no matter the work) for a price of a startup Mac you can get twice the machine. But it won't come in a shiny box.
And when a time for an upgrade comes along you WILL be able to do it - one component at a time. And then you go an about - OS X 10.0? Come on, that was worlds ago. And like I said, every version after that was faster. The "Experience" claim to have means nothing when looking at today's OS X. Hey, you are the one that started talking about 7 year old laptops and so on.
And if you have read on you would have seen that I've mentioned a 677 MHz G4 that had 10.2 installed on it. It came with a 10.1.
Now... its specs were way above minimum for 10.2. Granted - there is something to the disks overheating too.
But a slowdown was noticeable way before they died. Months before they showed any sign of failure. The "Experience" claim to have means nothing when looking at today's OS X. I guess people with no previous Mac experience keep forgetting that each successive OS X release has made old hardware feel faster Aah.. sooo.. you meant EACH but only AFTER jaguar?
Sorry 'bout that. I am not going to make up stories about the panther that ate my homework, or how I was once hanging from a cliff with tigers above and bellow me just so I could "prove" to you that Apple is just like all brands full of doo-doo (or would that in this case be kitty-litter?).
I know for years that Apple fan-boys are not the most persuasive or logical bunch.
Maybe if I made a clever marketing trick? Something with an i in front?
Naahh... its their problem. What do iCare?
No. Just shoot him on sight.
Got it! Will keep that in mind next time I... umm... happen to be in a situation where a similar advice might come in handy.
And I guess that Apple users (or Intel, or AMD, or Windows, or Linux... etc...etc...) forget what it means "run" compared to "work".
On the other hand, some of us (lets call us Computer users) have to W-O-R-K on those computers and know very well that even if your OS manufacturer claims that it "runs" on XY-005 hardware configuration - for it to work properly you need XY-008 at least.
Now, I have worked on Mac OSes from 7.something (I think that it was a 7.6... not sure), over 8.various numbers and 9.somethings up untill OSX 10.2.
The reason I stopped working on OSX past that point is because I have quit that job, and thankfully - there aren't many Macs "in the wild" around here.
Now... since I was the only one in the DTP/design studio that I worked at who spoke english and read manuals - I was the very soon the designated servicer of both Macs and PCs.
And when stuff must work (or the guys in printing don't get their job for today/tonight/tomorrow) - you learn pretty fast.
And since every Mac user around knows that you work with them - you are the local service center too.
And two main things that I have learned about Macs are: they are expensive but well built and YOU (the user) are not supposed to service them.
I've also learned that most of its users are idiots (9 out of 10) who believe things such as "copy the virus infected file to a Mac, and it will de-virus itself" or who don't know jack-shit about how a computer works.
Which, when you combine it gets you a bunch of cheap-asses that are using Performas to run a diagonostic program for a car dealership that spends the value of a G5 on coffee every month, or stuck-up idiots that come to you with a broken titanium G4 and when you tell them what is wrong with it they refuse to believe you.
In both cases reason is - Macs don't get broken. Or as you put it - "they go for years and years..."
So you can say that I had SOME experience with Macs.
Now, all of them could RUN their advertised OSes. But working? Another story entirely.
Had a G4 that worked just fine on OS9.1 and later 9.2. It came with OSX 10.0 too. Oh... that one could run, but working on it was impossible. Slow as hell.
And by working I mean editing huge PSDs and TIFFs or creating a B2-B1 poster from scratch in Photoshop.
Go back to OS9 - works just fine.
Had a G3 that when I came there had OS9.1. Not its original install. Later, a colegue (one of those - "lets play around with updates" guys) installed (against my advice) OS9.2.
Change? Slower. Fixed? Nothing. Did something needed fixing? No.
No need to mention first generation iMacs and joys of replacing a dead hard drive.
I'll only mention a G4 (677 MHz) that came with a 10.1 but my boss decided to put a 10.2 on it.
That machine was primarily used as print and file server.
When I say print server I mean a dedicated machine for handling print files for image setting. And when I say file server I mean a local backup/archive machine were files were stored, sorted and recorded to CDs/DVDs for backup.
Now... 10.2 can't perhaps be blamed for all that happened.
Slowdown (booting and application startup - not big.. but there... more like dragging) might have come from the problems with the disks but it was slower.
And then - since an idiot (Apple) technician that has put it together placed one hard drive directly on top of another and turned them into a RAID 3 (instead of RAID 1 that my boss claimed that was set up) after about a year of 18 hour workdays - we lost about 100 GB of files due to disk failure. HILARIOUS!
Two new WDs, this time without RAID, and a clean install from original 10.1 disks - works just fine still (as I am told).
Now... As for RUNING Vista on a 7-year-old laptop - I guess that you could do that. Find one that can take up to 512 MB of RAM and that has at least an 800MHz CPU and you can RUN it.
But can you work with that? Doubtful.
Also, please... don't insult me with Vista. Or any new OS before a first service p
...that you had to buy to run with the Leopards?
Or are you one of those Apple users that use Apple JUST because they don't know what to do with their money?
http://news.softpedia.com/news/40-Million-Windows-Vistas-Sold-Bill-Gates-Mocks-Apple-54811.shtml
Ridiculously small number (compared to 40 mil.) multiplied by 2 is still a ridiculously small number.
And that is not counting all the people that pirate it. Remember, only 224 Chinese BOUGHT Vista.
Laws should not take sides.
...just keep quiet about that pirated version in public, OK?
Laws should work for all sides equally.
But, since we all know that laws don't count for you if you are rich, have more guns, or they can't catch you breaking it or they don't find out you did it...
Or steal a lot of money, buy a lot of guns, and then steal some more money.
Preferably boarding and looting ships.
Well... that is what they say you are doing already anyhoow... Might as well do it the proper way...
To whom it may concern:
I get ALL my bad karma posting what I really think about Apple's hardware and software.
Yeah, it gets me bad slashdot karma, but being honest to myself and others saves me thousands of pointless reincarnations.
... Why isn't everyone in the world using that instead of windows?
...isn't a troll?
Until Apple opens up its OS to be at least on the level that Windows is (you don't get much more closed source then hardware pre-requisite) it is not a competition.
Or even a valid comparison.
Apple fanboys will buy and use Apple if it required them to install a rectal probe so it would work. For them there is no choice.
And most of the "switchers" will not switch to Macs - they will switch to Linux. Unless they are rich, arrogant and stupid enough to throw away a working computer because they are not satisfied with the OS installed.
Or if we are talking just about dissatisfaction with Vista - they will switch back to XP.
Saying something-something about the new OSX influences Windows users in any way is like saying that the increasing number of sharks in the oceans influences the world's mice population.
Two completely different ecosystems with no direct influence from one to another.
Yeah... because as we all know that bad guys are concentrated on sacks of money with dollar signs printed on the sides.
And that they all wear black eye-masks, green hats, red shirts and blue pants.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Beaglefamily.png
They have closed shop?
Nobody else will get the album this way?
Whats done is done?
We have the final count now and no more albums will be sold? Ever!?
So that is the new halflife for the music these days - 10 days?
After that, go find a new favorite song/album/band?
Shit... I'm getting old.
Remember that Southpark episode when Cartman gets that kid (Scott Tenorman) to eat his parents? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Tenorman_Must_Die
Radiohead was the band that told the kid that just ate the chili made out of his parents that he was a crybaby and totally not cool.
There.. now you know.