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Evidence of Steganography in Real Criminal Cases

ancientribe writes "Researchers at Purdue University have found proof that criminals are making use of steganography in the field. Steganography is the stealth technique of hiding text or images within image files. Experts say that the wide availability of free point-and-click steganography tools is making the method of hiding illicit images and text easier to use. Not everyone is convinced; some security experts such as Bruce Schneier have dismissed steganography as too complex and conspicuous for the bad guys to bother using, especially for inside corporate espionage: 'It doesn't make sense that someone selling out the company can't just leave with a USB.'"

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  1. "Security Expert" by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who calls USB keys "USB"s like one of my computer illiterate friends. Or is this some new kind of slang that I am not aware of.

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    1. Re:"Security Expert" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You clearly understood what he meant. Enough with the pedantry.

    2. Re:"Security Expert" by Sobieski · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, he might work at a company developing a new top secret Universal Serial Bus interface that someone else is willing to pay for.

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    3. Re:"Security Expert" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Same guys who call bluetooth headsets "bluetooths"?

    4. Re:"Security Expert" by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who calls USB keys "USB"s like one of my computer illiterate friends. Or is this some new kind of slang that I am not aware of.

      Is there a common standard term for them yet? People I know call them variously "USB drive", "USB key", "Key drive", "Pen Drive", "Memory Stick", "USB stick", "USB..um..memory..thing", or "You know, that thing that goes in the USB slot that you keep stuff on". I personally call mine 'Steve' to avoid the confusion.

    5. Re:"Security Expert" by jimktrains · · Score: 1

      Mine's called Jane*, but that's besides the point. I also hate it when people call things a "USB."

      *After my love: Jane Eyre

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    6. Re:"Security Expert" by Frnknstn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who calls USB memory sticks 'USB Keys'?

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    7. Re:"Security Expert" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooh, you dared to criticize Bruce Schneier? Bad security karma!

      If I were you, I would disconnect myself from the Internet for a month.

    8. Re:"Security Expert" by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      Is there a common standard term for them yet? People I know call them variously "USB drive", "USB key", "Key drive", "Pen Drive", "Memory Stick", "USB stick", "USB..um..memory..thing", or "You know, that thing that goes in the USB slot that you keep stuff on". I personally call mine 'Steve' to avoid the confusion.


      You forgot jump drive, key disk, and thumb drive.

      IBM had one of the first (actually made by Kanga?). 8 whole meg!
    9. Re:"Security Expert" by GregNorc · · Score: 5, Funny

      You are doubting Bruce Schneier? There are a few things you should know before you question his credentials... When Bruce Schneier observes a quantum particle, it remains in the same state until he has finished observing it. Though a superhero, Bruce Schneier disdanes the use of a mask or secret identity as 'security through obscurity. Most people use passwords. Some people use passphrases. Bruce Schneier uses an epic passpoem, detailing the life and works of seven mythical Norse heroes.

    10. Re:"Security Expert" by mdd4696 · · Score: 1

      I smell a Slashdot Poll... is it flash-, jump-, pen-, thumb-, USB-, or memory-? Is it a drive, disk, key or stick?

      I think "flash drive" is the most descriptive and appropriate answer. Jump-, pen- and thumb- are names that companies came up with to differentiate their brand. USB- and memory- are too generic. It's not a disk or key, and "flash stick" just sounds weird.

    11. Re:"Security Expert" by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 4, Funny
      People I know call them variously "USB drive", "USB key", "Key drive", "Pen Drive", "Memory Stick", "USB stick", "USB..um..memory..thing", or "You know, that thing that goes in the USB slot that you keep stuff on". I personally call mine 'Steve' to avoid the confusion.

      In a Spanish-speaking office I was trying to guess at the name and called it a palito, which literally means "little stick." It took about two minutes for the laughter to die down, and then I learned that palito is slang for dick.

    12. Re:"Security Expert" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard "geek stick" too

    13. Re:"Security Expert" by Starayo · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's blueteeth.

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    14. Re:"Security Expert" by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 1

      Someone on my staff sent me an Internet about that just the other day. I can't really tell you what it said because it hasn't gotten here yet.

    15. Re:"Security Expert" by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot to mention that Bruce Schneier also taught martial arts to Chuck Norris.

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    16. Re:"Security Expert" by kestasjk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who calls a universal serial bus integrated flash data storage device a "USB memory stick"?

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    17. Re:"Security Expert" by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who calls USB flash drives 'USB memory sticks'?

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    18. Re:"Security Expert" by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sony. Well, sort of.

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    19. Re:"Security Expert" by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 0

      You fail.

      The joke was "Who calls [name some people call them]s '[previous suggested name]s'?" You said "Who calls a [name absolutely no one calls them] a "[previous suggested name]"?"

      People interested in a proper joke should reply to my reply below and not this one.

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    20. Re:"Security Expert" by nih · · Score: 1

      you insensitive clod!
      my name is Steve!

      now i'm confused :(

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    21. Re:"Security Expert" by Country_hacker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm afraid as solid-state drives become more common this would lead to confusion though.

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    22. Re:"Security Expert" by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      Thank you for that high class joke and the great explanation you gave me (which made it that much funnier).

      You rule! Keep it up

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    23. Re:"Security Expert" by guabah · · Score: 1

      And in my Campus, they call them "Chuchitos".

    24. Re:"Security Expert" by darthflo · · Score: 1

      Make it "USB Flash Drive" then. Problem solved.

    25. Re:"Security Expert" by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      8 whole megs was a lot compared to a floppy drive, and it was probably a lot faster and more reliable.

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    26. Re:"Security Expert" by synth7 · · Score: 1

      Do you mind if we call it "Bruce", just to keep things clear?

    27. Re:"Security Expert" by dbcad7 · · Score: 1
      Nahh, flash drive too easily confused with those wafers things used in digital cameras.

      Key drive, although it makes size sense, is confusing given the fact that there are drives with and without "security" software.. which given that theres is a diversity in OS's in use, makes one not want a drive with software for an OS they don't use. Does a key drive have security keys for an OS I don't use ? ... you see the problem.

      I thought "thumb drive" was perfect.. Don't see why people have changed it...

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    28. Re:"Security Expert" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't bother commenting in security related threads if you don't know who Bruce Schneier is. Idiot.

    29. Re:"Security Expert" by leenks · · Score: 1

      Most people, actually.

    30. Re:"Security Expert" by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I had someone call one a "USB zip drive" which caused some confusion for me, as I thought they were talking about the USB version of some tech that died off a while back.

      Also, when I was at college, a lot of people called them "jump drives", probably because the Lexar brand was common on campus for some reason.

    31. Re:"Security Expert" by leenks · · Score: 1

      Most people I know call them either "memory sticks" or "keys". I suspect the latter is because they have them on their key rings, not that they think of security.

    32. Re:"Security Expert" by armareum · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think he was making his own joke: that he calls them the [name absolutely no one calls them].

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    33. Re:"Security Expert" by Cassander · · Score: 1


      You missed one of the more common ones I've heard: "thumb drive"

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    34. Re:"Security Expert" by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      >I thought "thumb drive" was perfect.. Don't see why people have changed it...

      People still say thumb drive.

      I say stuff like "USB 2.0 Flash Memory Device" just to piss off people who think they don't like nerds.

      No way will I ever refer to one as a "drive."

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    35. Re:"Security Expert" by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      Funny, I always considered using cryptography itself to be security through obscurity. ;)

      Did you know that if you built a Dyson sphere around Bruce Schneier... Well, I forgot the rest, but it implies that he's made of something besides matter and occupies something besides space.

      Recently, seismologists have concluded that a series of tremors are in actuality the result of Bruce Schneier and Chuck Norris communicating through a series of cryptographic roundhouse kicks. (That one's from someone on slashdot)

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    36. Re:"Security Expert" by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      Mine's called Jane*, but that's besides the point. I also hate it when people call things a "USB."

      *After my love: Jane Eyre I hate to break it to you, but your Jane's got a conspicuous male bit poking out of her ... (which is fine, if you happen to like women in that Crying-Game sorta way, I guess ...)
    37. Re:"Security Expert" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine's called "Puppy", because it's got Puppy Linux on it.

      (And retards at my work call it a "USB".)

    38. Re:"Security Expert" by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      ...and it was probably a lot faster and more reliable.
      Oh, how I hate the floppy disk. It's been years since I had to use one, and I still hate them.
      Even if you bought an expensive brand, in my experience they STILL would have a failure rate of at least 1 in 15 or so.

      Anyone remembers the distinct sound a floppy drive makes when a read error is coming up? *shudder*

      Floppies where for saving data that you really didn't care about at all.
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    39. Re:"Security Expert" by jotok · · Score: 1

      Uh, yeah. That Bruce Schneier fellow is a total n00b.

    40. Re:"Security Expert" by AJWM · · Score: 1

      You forgot jump drive, key disk, and thumb drive.

      No, I think "jump drive" is an SF term for some kind of hyperspace engine that gets your ship from A to B without messing around with the space in between.

      It would be cool if you could buy those, though.

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    41. Re:"Security Expert" by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 1

      Mrs Roadkill calls hers an "Uz-beh" just because it pisses me off. She also says "Uh-bun-tah", for much the same reason. I think it's part of some new sport called "Geek-baiting", which is a bit like bear-baiting except you're less likely to lose a limb.

    42. Re:"Security Expert" by pppppppman · · Score: 1

      If you were to put a cryptographic key on it which was needed to mount your hard disk, then it might be appropriate. Just presume all those people do that.

    43. Re:"Security Expert" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like you're not the only one...

      http://manual.sidux.com/es/hd-install-opts-es.htm/

    44. Re:"Security Expert" by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Looks like you're not the only one...

      Hey, look at that. Maybe it wasn't such a bad guess after all. Perhaps Palito was regional slang.

    45. Re:"Security Expert" by rocca · · Score: 1

      Floppies where for saving data that you really didn't care about at all
       
      You must be young. :) Floppies were sliced bread when they came on the scene, they coincided with the first real commercial software distribution, the only affordable data storage solution for small business and then had its life prolonged for a brief while as backup and 'sneaker' networking. Floppies were a prerequisite for the PC market to have emerged.

    46. Re:"Security Expert" by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      I was born in -76, so I surely missed the start of the floppy revolution. My first IBM-clone actually had both a 5" 1/4 and a 3" 1/2 floppy drive. You probably have a point :)
      I always wondered why my C64-floppies always were extremely reliable in comparison, although dog slow. Probably something to do with density.

      On a side note I just saw that I actually managed to use 'where' instead of 'were' in the quoted sentence as well. Shame on me :)

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    47. Re:"Security Expert" by rocca · · Score: 1

      Those Commodore floppies were single density 120K but even the original 1.2MB high density disks were fine. It wasn't until the market flooded with cheap manufacturers and the prices of disks dropped by 90% that the quality went down the toilet. Still they were more reliable than the cassette tapes. Anyone else remember cleaning them with rubbing alcohol every week or so? :)

    48. Re:"Security Expert" by Jeruvy · · Score: 1

      ...worn by Blue Men...

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  2. Old news though by eneville · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This was advertised in the film "the core" when the 'hacker kid' sends a message to a pilot within some other data... Great. It's also in use CONSTANTLY by conspiracy theorists, how many people have received that stupid email about the number 911 and the wingdings font... *yawn*.

    Steganography is also in use by some media producers, I've heard cases where demo tracks have included some randomness that is later detectable to find the source of whoever leaked the track (each person on the initial review got a different copy of the randomness).

    1. Re:Old news though by sqrt(2) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's a well known tactic for discovering the source of leaks of sensitive information; been in use long before computers. Hell it probably predates movable type! It didn't have a specific name until Clancy wrote Patriot Games. Google, "canary trap".

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    2. Re:Old news though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      To be clear, neither of the examples you gave are steganography, but are a simple cypher and watermarking, respectively.

    3. Re:Old news though by Cairnarvon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Watermarking in this sense is a type of steganography.

    4. Re:Old news though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'll be using steganography in my next business to find out who is ripping off my copyrighted images.

  3. looks like something doesn't work properly by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Informative
    The whole point of steganography is to embed undetectable data in a file. If some people now claim to have found evidence of it, then the original users can't have a very effective steganographic process.

    Maybe this really means that the software available for this type of use just doesn't work very well?

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    1. Re:looks like something doesn't work properly by mu22le · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article is just saying that they found steganographic software on some criminal's pc.

      FYI you can detect the presence of steganographed information by statistical means (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganalysis).

    2. Re:looks like something doesn't work properly by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
      they found steganographic software ...

      And this is part of the problem with the process. It's no good hiding data in an undetectable way if you leave behind indicators that there's data hidden. It's a bit like breaking into a house, and leaving no trace of where/how you did it - then leaving your lockpicks by the side door.

      If you're going to have steganographic software, it must not be recognisable as such.

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    3. Re:looks like something doesn't work properly by Cairnarvon · · Score: 1

      If you're going to have steganographic software, it must not be recognisable as such.
      That's a bizarre statement. It's not like they were advertising the fact that they had such software.
    4. Re:looks like something doesn't work properly by Palpitations · · Score: 1

      Let's say you have access to a video file that people won't think twice about. Some random video you host, along with hundreds or thousands of others. People who know what to look for keep the first version of that video as the reference, and you make very subtle changes to it every once in a while. Let's say every frame of that video contains 1 character worth of text. That wouldn't be noticeable to the casual observer - far from it. At 30 FPS, a 5 minute video comes out to 9,000 characters. As long as you know how to extract the information, and you have the original reference version, that should be trivial. I'm all for steganography, encryption, and obfuscation... But it's important to realize that some of the most cunning uses here are truly security through obscurity.

    5. Re:looks like something doesn't work properly by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      If you're going to have steganographic software, it must not be recognisable as such.

      Maybe they should do something clever like encode the software to look like random noise and then hide it by mixing it into a JPEG image.

    6. Re:looks like something doesn't work properly by perlchild · · Score: 1

      Or again, they could have gotten the software on a usbkey

      Denying access to the software used to hide it would also work.

    7. Re:looks like something doesn't work properly by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      All you have to do is randomly change other data and you have done a very good job of obscuring the actual data, though. If you then use a pass phrase as a means of generating a crude program for adjusting the order of the bits (e.g. use a mathematical equation in which the bytes of the pass phrase are hashed to form the coefficients and degrees of each term of a polynomial and take the sin of the resulting value multiplied times the size of the image), you can obscure it really, really freaking well. If you know you have a million hidden bits, 100,000 of which are relevant, and which are stored in seemingly random order... good luck turning that into actual data without the key.

      I'm not saying most steganography does this, of course---most steg out there is probably complete and utter crap---but it is possible to use "obscurity" in the form of an unknown pass phrase as a generator function (mapping original location to new location) to make life miserable for somebody trying to recover data even without what most people would consider encryption. Add a traditional crypto layer on top of that so that the recovered data is useless without a second pass phrase, and you now have significantly more security than the crypto would provide by itself.

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    8. Re:looks like something doesn't work properly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI you can detect the presence of steganographed information by statistical means

      You can only detect the presence of week steganography by these means... Good steganographers will ensure that they run those statistical analysis themselves to make sure nothing looks suspicious ;)

      There are *many* ways to hide informations in .png and .jpg that make fun of these statistical verifications ;)

      Don't forget by good steganography is, by definition, coupled with good cryptography and hence you're looking for *random* data. Good luck when it's a tiny amount of data (an important text message) hidden in a big picture: all you see is noise from the picture and noise from the message looking alike.

    9. Re:looks like something doesn't work properly by delepster · · Score: 1

      In fact, statistical analysis only gives a probability that steganography can be present, usually by analyzing the noise in the picture's compression. The article does not quite show how they could come up with such a number of suspicious images. An Mr. Schneier only talks about transmissions of pictures without context to be suspicious. So I personnally think there is still not much of a tool that can detect steganography and I am not talking about recovering the covert message!

    10. Re:looks like something doesn't work properly by mu22le · · Score: 1

      FYI you can detect the presence of steganographed information by statistical means

      You can only detect the presence of week steganography by these means... Good steganographers will ensure that they run those statistical analysis themselves to make sure nothing looks suspicious ;) not really, You can quantify the information contained in a document and if there is information stganographed in it the information displayed will be suspiciously less than the information encoded.

      There are *many* ways to hide informations in .png and .jpg that make fun of these statistical verifications ;) I'd really like to see an algorithm that can encode information in a pattern without adding information (read entropy if you know what I'm talking about) to it. That'd be extremely zen :)

      Don't forget by good steganography is, by definition, coupled with good cryptography and hence you're looking for *random* data. Good luck when it's a tiny amount of data (an important text message) hidden in a big picture: all you see is noise from the picture and noise from the message looking alike. You hit the nail here: you have to hide a short message in a huge amount of data not to rise any suspicion. Just be careful not to transmit too much data or you'll rise some suspects :)
  4. Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is a free point-and-click free tool?

    How do you take a USB? People are actually ripping the USB controller out of their machine and taking it with them? What's the point? There isn't any data in the USB.

    1. Re:Uh by Woek · · Score: 1

      :-D reminds me of the raid of a file-sharer's home (or something like it), where the police took all the monitors and left the computers behind.

    2. Re:Uh by johndiii · · Score: 1

      It's free as in beer and free as in speech. Really, really free.

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    3. Re:Uh by Draped+Crusader · · Score: 1

      They probably took those to use some van Eck phreaking techniques on it.

    4. Re:Uh by fosterNutrition · · Score: 1

      Maybe this is a "whoosh..." moment, but I'm fairly certain that the monitors need to be, you know, on and connected to the computer and displaying the interesting things. The more I type the more I suspect that was the point of tour post, and that I'm a humourless bastard.

    5. Re:Uh by Draped+Crusader · · Score: 1

      A sarcastic reference to this.

    6. Re:Uh by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "How do you take a USB? People are actually ripping the USB controller out of their machine and taking it with them? What's the point? "

      I wish that I was so smart that simple things like that would baffle me.

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  5. These must be freshman researchers by tkrotchko · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kids,

    To those versed in statistics or the scientific method, find the flaw in this statement (as taken from the article):

    "with the little data we have so far, we are finding that there's a strong correlation between criminal activity and at least the installation of steganography programs on those [confiscated] computers"

    With the little data I have so far, I think the researchers are pulling our leg.

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    1. Re:These must be freshman researchers by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 0, Troll

      Not to mention this quote:

      "some security experts such as Bruce Schneier have dismissed steganography as too ... conspicuous."

      Since being inconspicuous is the very definition of steganography, something tells me Mr. Schneier doesn't have a firm handle on the concept, and if there were many properly-executed uses of steganography in the wild, he wouldn't have noticed them.

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    2. Re:These must be freshman researchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      From TFA:

      "with the little data we have so far, we are finding that there's a strong correlation between criminal activity and at least the installation of steganography programs on those [confiscated] computers"


      Agreed on your comment on the above statement. My problem is that the article author's statement will be used as justification for search warrants. Some bullet-head cop who's barely mastered the idea of opposable thumbs will quote it like gospel and use it as justification to grab IP numbers of downloaders, etc.. As someone that makes a living off of security I'm tired of seeing my tools being judged "guilty until proven otherwise". I few years ago a highway cop tossed my car hard because he found a copy of Schneier's "Applied Cryptography", saw the cover and didn't like the statement "The book the NSA wanted never to be published". He threatened to take it and make me come down to his station to get it back. BTW, this cop was clearly "not the sharpest tool in the shed" even among his own peers.


      I really see in ten years owning any non-backdoor crypto tools et al being illegal. America is dying under the thumb of the police and soon to arrive police state.

    3. Re:These must be freshman researchers by halftrack · · Score: 3, Funny

      You do know that to most Slashdotters, Bruce Schneider is the Chuck Norris of cryptography and security?

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    4. Re:These must be freshman researchers by maxume · · Score: 1

      It depends a great deal on if you assume he is describing the data or if he is describing the relationship between stenography and criminal activity. It could be a perfectly reasonable thing to say about the data, but we can only speculate.

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    5. Re:These must be freshman researchers by Obyron · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since being inconspicuous is the very definition of steganography, something tells me Mr. Schneier doesn't have a firm handle on the concept

      Considering that Bruce Schneier has been around the block for a loooong time and has written several good books on cryptography and computer security, including the seminal "Applied Cryptography" (which needs a new edition! Hint hint if you're out there, Bruce!), I think it's far more likely that you have no idea who Bruce Schneier is. I'm sure that by "conspicuous" he's referring to the fact that steganography can be detected through statistical analysis, and the fact that most steganography software is crap.

      Being inconspicuous isn't the definition of steganography any more than being secure is the definition of cryptography (Ceasar Ciphers, ROT-13, DES). They're both just important traits that make their respective -graphies more effective. Bruce's statement is referring to the sad state of pretty much all of the steganographic software out there right now, because it's pretty much all the security equivalent to sticking your super secret files in a hidden directory and hoping the secret police just overlook it.

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    6. Re:These must be freshman researchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that Bruce Schneier has been around the block for a loooong time and has written several good books on cryptography and computer security, including the seminal "Applied Cryptography" (which needs a new edition! Hint hint if you're out there, Bruce!), I think it's far more likely that you have no idea who Bruce Schneier is.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority
    7. Re:These must be freshman researchers by NormalVisual · · Score: 2, Informative

      America is dying under the thumb of the police and soon to arrive police state.

      Yes it is, in large part because the citizens allow it to. Why did you let the cop "toss your car"? He had no basis for a legal search, so either he searched without your permission, or asked if he could and you said "yes". If he searched without your permission you should have followed up in court. If you told him it was okay to search, then you have nothing to bitch about and aren't any better than the rest of the sheep that are letting the government get away with murder. Either way, there was action you could have taken as a citizen, and chose not to.

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    8. Re:These must be freshman researchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah but can Bruce spin kick you so fast you can feel the sonic boom first?

    9. Re:These must be freshman researchers by Viadd · · Score: 1

      All pictures on the internet contain Bruce Schneier's steganographic information.

      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/

    10. Re:These must be freshman researchers by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      "something tells me Mr. Schneier doesn't have a firm handle on the concept, and if there were many properly-executed uses of steganography in the wild, he wouldn't have noticed them." Those few words show just how far the tech level of this site have fallen...

    11. Re:These must be freshman researchers by Obyron · · Score: 1

      It's only a false Appeal to Authority if you claim that it's right because the person says it is, or that you're right because a person who is an authority said something that appears to agree with you on the surface. A: "Who's this Bruce Schneier guy? He must be clueless!" B: "Actually he's considered by tons of people with a clue as being eminent on the topic. Maybe you just misunderstood?" does not constitute an appeal to authority.

      Or maybe I should also read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29?

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    12. Re:These must be freshman researchers by amber_of_luxor · · Score: 1

      > Since being inconspicuous is the very definition of steganography, something tells me Mr. Schneier doesn't have a firm handle on the concept,

      Have you considered that what is very conspicuous to Bruce might be extremely inconspicuous to somebody who knows nothing about security?

      In one of his very early books, Bruce spends several pages on the difference in how conspicuous something is for a novice, and an expert.

      Amber

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    13. Re:These must be freshman researchers by deecha · · Score: 1

      which leg ? ;-) (I hope not the third) ;-)

    14. Re:These must be freshman researchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The probem is in many cases police use leading questions and a negative responce as permission to search your car.

      Cop: You don't have any drungs or weapons in the car do you?
      Person: No
      Cop: You wouldn't mind if I verify that?
      Person: No
      Cop: Thank you, *begins search*

      If the officer had outright asked, "May I search your vehicle?" The answer again would have been "no", and really meant no.

    15. Re:These must be freshman researchers by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      How the cop asks permission to search isn't really relevant. The point is, too many people will still willingly agree to searches the police have no business asking for.

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    16. Re:These must be freshman researchers by aztektum · · Score: 1

      "Criminals try to hide their involvement in a crime. Steganographed film @ 11!"

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    17. Re:These must be freshman researchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope you don't get it, as a former thief, I'll tell you crooks love complicated, sneaky, tricky, and cunning methods of pilfering things. These crooks will develop tried and true methods of slipping things past authorities (I for instance used to study books on magic tricks), each layer of diversion is just increasing the thief's probability of not getting caught. His (schneier's) inability to see the value of a thief hiding sensitive info inside a nude picture of the thief's "wife", proves he's simply an egghead with absolutely no professional basis speaking on the activities of criminals.

      ...Bruce Schneier have dismissed steganography as too complex and conspicuous for the bad guys to bother using, especially for inside corporate espionage: 'It doesn't make sense that someone selling out the company can't just leave with a USB.

      He's out of his class with this statement, thieves are by nature inconspicuous and when your livelihood is on the line nothing is too complex. I'm betting there's a thief out there just as smart as schneier laughing his ass off at that fool.

    18. Re:These must be freshman researchers by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1

      Those few words show just how far the tech level of this site [has] fallen...

      Au contraire, anonymous posters on this site still seem to be very very effective in getting a reaction out of people through carefully constructed statements attacking people generally held in high esteem. In other words, trolling standards are still very high, thankyouverymuch. ;-)

    19. Re:These must be freshman researchers by TheLink · · Score: 1

      The problem is not that police are making such searches or people are agreeing to it.

      See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_Principles

      ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peelian_Principles&oldid=117906399 )

      The problem is the police have broken a lot of those principles (which are still relevant to that day), and thus have lost significant trust of the population. They are no longer perceived as "members of the public paid to police" but rather as members of a different often antagonistic group.

      This seems the case in the country I'm in ( a small mostly insignificant corrupt 3rd world developing country ).

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    20. Re:These must be freshman researchers by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Interesting link - thanks for posting it.

      I think the ultimate problem is simply that police officers are people, with all of the human failings that go along with that. It's one thing to have an ideal of what a police officer should be, but the fact remains that no cop out there will always apply the law in a totally objective, impartial manner. For instance, you'll almost never see one cop writing a speeding ticket to another. They call it "professional courtesy", when in fact it's a willful refusal to apply the law to their peers because "you don't do that kind of thing to your brother". In reality, it's often just them covering their ass - when you're pinned down by an armed assailant, you don't want a fellow officer taking his sweet time getting to you because he's pissed off about the ticket you gave him a month ago.

      There's not a police officer out there who doesn't let their personal feelings and beliefs cloud the performance of their duty to some degree, but that's simply a by-product of human nature and as such can't ever be eliminated. Consequently, they can't be trusted to always do what they're supposed to, and it's incumbent upon the general population to ride herd on them and keep them firmly in line.

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    21. Re:These must be freshman researchers by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "but the fact remains that no cop out there will always apply the law in a totally objective, impartial manner."

      I don't think the public expect perfection from cops (who are supposed to be "members of the public" as well). BUT it does start to fall apart when the public see that most cops don't even want to try to do so.

      The general population should NOT be entrusted to ride herd on the police force - the police force should not be directly controlled or regulated by the public. They should however be able to influence who becomes the head of the police force.

      The head of the police force then sets the tone and culture for the entire force. With principles similar to the Peelian principles the British Police force got a high degree of respectability in the UK and worldwide. However it seems that things have started changing in recent times...

      It is a big problem when you have a police force filled with cops who get the respect one gives to potentially dangerous animals, instead of "real" respect.

      I would still rather have a cop who does let his beliefs influence his actions especially when his beliefs are in the right things :). Then I know he won't shoot me just because someone changed the frigging law/procedure. I'm rather afraid of the "I was just following orders" or "everyone is doing it anyway" people. While cops are to be members of the public, it would be preferable that the selection process be significantly better than random ;).

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    22. Re:These must be freshman researchers by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      The general population should NOT be entrusted to ride herd on the police force - the police force should not be directly controlled or regulated by the public.

      I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say there - what I meant was that it's the public's duty to not stand for or allow the force to do things it shouldn't be doing. For instance, if the officer asks you if it's okay to search your car, then you say no. The officer has no business asking, and has no legal justification to search, so you gain nothing by allowing it and the officer learns that he can often perform searches without going through the proper procedures. If the public doesn't enforce the limits, then the police will continue push those limits further and further.

      It is a big problem when you have a police force filled with cops who get the respect one gives to potentially dangerous animals, instead of "real" respect.

      It's also a big problem when the general public is accorded the same respect by law enforcement that it generally extends to the criminal element.

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    23. Re:These must be freshman researchers by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "If the officer asks you if it's okay to search your car, then you say no"

      I'd rather be able to say "Why?" or "No." and not be wrestled to the ground etc. And I'd rather him be able to search a car if he gives good justification for it AND the citizen decides, ok sounds reasonable to me. Someone should come up with better "SOPs" for citizen-police interaction than the existing antagonistic ones, better ones that are hopefully more "failsafe" (and still legal) in practice.

      "It's also a big problem when the general public is accorded the same respect by law enforcement that it generally extends to the criminal element."

      I don't think the public should be fine with cops treating criminals badly, i.e. worse than necessary. See principle 6) "Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient".

      Excessive force seems too common nowadays, which reduces the respect and cooperation from the public.

      I believe there is much wisdom in those principles, and that they are by no means out of date. Ideas like training cops to behave more like soldiers are dangerous. Having soldiers do policing (e.g. in Iraq) is also silly as soldiers are not police. Things improved a lot when some bright spark came up with the concept that soldiers != police. One should not revert to the bad old days.

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    24. Re:These must be freshman researchers by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Cop: You wouldn't mind if I verify that?
      Person: No
      Cop: Thank you, *begins search* If they ask in a confusing way, just revoke your consent. You can do that. "Sorry, officer, I misunderstood you. Yes, I do mind. No, I do not consent to a search."
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  6. Van Eck Phreaking by dhavleak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_phreaking

    Came across this in Cryptonomicon. It blew my mind. If people can do shit like this Steganography doesn't actually sound that hard.

    1. Re:Van Eck Phreaking by Mantaar · · Score: 1

      Technically, van Eck Phreaking has nothing to do with Steganography. And besides some NSA-paranoia and various SciFi shows, as well as Window's PGP's "don't-show-me-what-I-type"-feature I know of no impact of van Eck on the media/digital world.

      Steganography is something completely different and reminds me of my old Boy-Scout days... when we used to devise "Secret Codes" so secret you couldn't find out it was a message at all. Steganography would have been fun to play with back then.

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  7. I doubt it happens on a large scale by starseeker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Installation of steganography tools != using those tools in practice. If someone is looking to conceal data, they may be grabbing anything out there that stands a remote chance of being helpful. Sort of like how in the early days students would have all kinds of music players and point-to-point file exchange programs, looking for ones that would do what they wanted or had what they wanted.

    James Wingate, director of the steganography analysis & research center at Backbone Security, and a vice president there, says the use of steganography is on the rise, and it could be used for things like transporting malware.

    "Some would call me 'Chicken Little,' but I fervently and passionately believe criminal activity is being conducted with steganography... We do know it's being used to conceal child pornography," Wingate says. "

    When someone "fervently and passionately" believes something, particularly something related to a day-to-day project where one's institution stands a good chance of increased funding if what you believe is true, that's a good indication that you need to look hard for real, reproducible evidence that will stand up to rigorous peer review. Nor should concealing those types of images be surprising - unfortunately there seem to be a large number of sickos out there with this stuff, and probably every data-concealing program ever written has been used to conceal it (or try to). More to the point, is it in WIDE use?

    I agree that a USB stick is a much more plausible attach vector for a company insider (no "hey what was that huge surge of email traffic with images?" signatures for IT to poke their noses into, just for starters.) If someone wants to hide data on their machine, I would think any of the various harddrive encryption techniques would both be simpler and much more effective.

    I remember looking around at steganography tools some years back for other purposes (watermarking images people were considering contributing to a collectibles website) and my conclusion was that the most practical use of the techniques was to store information one WANTED to be found - another way to put metadata into an image so you could later figure out additional information about it (say, for a baseball card certified by a company you could add the certification information using steganography to ensure later availability of the information even without the website context, unless the image was compressed or otherwise distorted. It didn't and doesn't strike me as anything that can be used for anything uniquely evil or even uniquely practical (real image metadata is most likely a better place for useful info, and hiding information in it is an iffy proposition at best.

    Remember, just because non-government researchers can't cover all 800+ programs doesn't mean someone like the NSA with large funding and budgets couldn't throw resources at it until they had all of them covered. Somebody will probably use it, but someone will use virtually every possible technique to do something at least once in the vastness of the Internet so that's not a very interesting statement. The interesting question is will a lot of people use it, and I just can't see it being worth the trouble.

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    1. Re:I doubt it happens on a large scale by Pinkfud · · Score: 1

      While I agree in general with the post above, I'd like to say I've personally seen this in the wild a decade ago. In 1997, I had an administrative position with a smallish hosting company. I happened to notice one hosted site that had a .jpg image which, from the size, should have been around 5K. Instead, it was over 30K. This made me suspicious, and I opened the image with my trusty hex editor. Sure enough, there was a long list of cracked key-codes to commercial software hidden inside.

      I would also mention that steganography per se has been around since ancient times. The term applies to any method of concealing the presence of a message. Microdots, tiny pinholes in the pages of a book, messages broken into short segments that are woven into a longer message, many other tricks. The idea is nothing new, only the methods have changed.

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  8. get over it by m2943 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, legislatures pass bullshit laws about cryptography despite warnings that they are going to be ineffective because of steganography. Now, they claim that the sky is falling because people are using it.

    Right now, police can still detect the steganography tools, but those will start to be hidden as well. Encrypted, hidden data can be added to MP3s, MPEG4s, PDFs, scans, executables, random leftover noise on the disk. It can be hidden on microSD cards, printed on paper, and hidden on DVDs.

    There is no way governments or companies can stop covert communications of data. Get over it and stop making laws that are unenforceable but give police and governments ever more tools to abuse their powers.

    1. Re:get over it by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Encrypted, hidden data can be added to MP3s, MPEG4s, Actually, the more compressed the less likely you can embed anything useful. Trying to embed information would either lead to inefficient compression, which can be detected or to unnatural noise which can also be detected. Also you can't have an unembedded and an embedded version around, so adding stenography to that episode of Heroes you send would be really stupid and trivially found with a diff. Most good formats like bmp, wav etc. would raise eyebrows since they're so uncommon. I think your favorite non-suspicious option today would be getting a digicam with a raw option, then use the least significant color bit. It's near noise anyway since very few cameras can actually detect 10/12 bits/channel, there's no reference to go by and it's perfectly reasonable to share photos that way. Do an AES pass on the data so you're writing psuedo-random data, and I imagine it'd be rather hard to detect.
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    2. Re:get over it by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Encrypted, hidden data can be added to MP3s, MPEG4s, PDFs, scans, executables, random leftover noise on the disk. It can be hidden on microSD cards, printed on paper, and hidden on DVDs.

      See, right there I'm with Bruce. Why would you put steganography tools on microSD cards?

      Why not put the data encrypted on the card, and then hide the card? Doesn't that seem to make a lot more sense?

      I mean, those things can hold a lot now, a good deal more than you could reasonable hide via steganography.

      If you're smart, you'll just up and install the encryption tools like Truecrypt, but have a porn partition or even a tiny file with credit card and personal information, a 'legitimate' use for the program.

      And, yes, I know people are talking about hidden communication channels, for, for example, spies, not storage, but, frankly, that's idiotic.

      Any large data is going to be transfered in person via encrypted flash drives. A flash drive is a lot easier to dead-drop than a DVD-R. They have ones thin enough that they can fit inside library books or pass as change, and ones sturdy enough that they can stay outside for a week in mud. Anyone who thinks the 'secret plans' are traveling via the internet is confused. (Well, not at the start of the trip. Once they end up at the embassy or whatever the data obviously can be openly strong-encrypted and openly transfered however the hell they want.)

      And any tiny data can be communicated via public signals. Which, incidentally, is a kind of steganography. Spies already have all that worked out. For example, if you ever wear the red tie with the brown suit it means your cover is blown and you need immediate pickup, stuff like that.

      I don't doubt technology plays a role in this, but I doubt 'encryption' or 'steganography' does, as tools like that are, as you pointed out, dangerous. I suspect it's more stuff like 'If anyone ever anonymously replies to a slashdot post of yours using this specific subject, check dead-drop #3 that evening'. Call it 'manual steganography', where you go around looking for clues that everyone else can see but no one else knows what to look for.

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    3. Re:get over it by bobdotorg · · Score: 2, Informative

      mon. I think your favorite non-suspicious option today would be getting a digicam with a raw option, then use the least significant color bit. It's near noise anyway since very few cameras can actually detect 10/12 bits/channel, there's no reference to go by and it's perfectly reasonable to share photos that way.

      And use pics taken indoors with a low iso / long exposure setting. The noise inherent in the CMOS or CCD will probably give 4 out of 10 bits of close to uniformly random noise (or whatever biased, but consistent noise the sensor outputs).

      Use (embed) each pic only once, then destroy the original so there does not exist a pic that can be used to run a diff.

      A 12MP camera can dump a 48MB RAW file. For smaller files, use a crappy mobile phone camera. In any light setting.

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    4. Re:get over it by m2943 · · Score: 1

      See, right there I'm with Bruce. Why would you put steganography tools on microSD cards?

      I didn't say that you necessarily neededed steganography on microSD cards. Just the fact that there are tiny storage cards means that you can also physically hide the storage cards.

      I don't doubt technology plays a role in this, but I doubt 'encryption' or 'steganography' does, as tools like that are, as you pointed out, dangerous.

      Of course, they are "dangerous". My point is that there are a lot of other things that are just as dangerous, and we can't eliminate them all if we want to continue to live in a free and democratic society.

    5. Re:get over it by m2943 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the more compressed the less likely you can embed anything useful.

      Well, apart from the fact that MP3 and MPEG4 are piss-poor compression methods, the source data itself contains noise, which people frequently want to preserve.

      Trying to embed information would either lead to inefficient compression, which can be detected or to unnatural noise which can also be detected

      So you are saying that all those audiophiles that compress their vinyl records as 192kbps should become terrorist suspects?

    6. Re:get over it by tkw954 · · Score: 1

      I'm a member of an extensive community of white-noise wav-file collectors, and I ##KR2F@F@$F$ {NO CARRIER}

    7. Re:get over it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That's not steganography, that's watermarking"

  9. Summary of Article by Chapter80 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Research Shows Image-Based Threat on the Rise
    New Purdue University research shows steganography, long considered a minor threat, may be on the rise
    OCTOBER 18, 2007 | 6:00 PM

    By Kelly Jackson Higgins Senior Editor, Dark Reading

    Until recently, steganography, the stealth technique of hiding text or images within image files, has mostly been considered too complex -- and conspicuous -- to be much of a threat. But some forensics experts now worry that the bad guys are starting to use the tactic more frequently, especially in child pornography and identity theft trafficking.

    There are an estimated 800 or so steganography tools available online, many of them free and with user-friendly graphical user interfaces and point-and-click features. This broad availability making steganography more accessible and easier to use for hiding and moving stolen or illicit payloads, experts say.

    Security experts to date have mostly dismissed steganography as a mainstream threat, relegating it to the domain of spooks and the feds. Their skepticism has been well-founded: The few studies that have searched for images hiding steganographic messages have come up empty-handed.

    1. Re:Summary of Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      \(_o)/ lololo

  10. no one said criminals were bright by bombastinator · · Score: 1

    Just because it is an inefficient and poor method does not mean it will not be used.

    Criminals are know for their poor work ethic. Why do a bunch of skull drudgery and research, when they can just grab the first thing that comes along.

    Another reason it might be attractive is it's over complication itself. One of the main reasons frequently given for people to become real spies is pure excitement. They want to do "spy stuff". Someone like that is going to go not for the best method, but for the most high tech, convoluted, spy movie type stuff they can get ahold of. There was a famous American double agent years ago with just this issue. He began demanding weird and unnecessary communication equipment from them just so he could have it. the adrenaline rush of dangerous behavior frequently leads to even more. Grander crimes, more complicated plans. Increased risk.

    1. Re:no one said criminals were bright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, my name is Bruno: and I'm a gadget-holic,

  11. "A" for effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "D-" for results. Clearly you have too much time on your hands.

    1. Re:"A" for effort by Faylone · · Score: 1

      Too much time on our hands? Hi, you must be new here.

  12. So... by Xogede · · Score: 0

    Bruce Schneier didn't agree, so why did you post it?

  13. From the article by johndiii · · Score: 2, Informative

    But Bruce Schneier, CTO of BT Counterpane, disagrees. He says steganography doesn't make sense as an insider threat. It's much easier to just suck the data off onto a USB thumb drive and walk out of the building. That seems to make a little more sense. They still don't quote Schneier directly, but his general conclusion seems valid. The purpose of steganography is to provide a clandestine channel, in part to avoid traffic analysis. If the data embedded through steganography is also encrypted, it would be very hard to detect. That's why this study is significant. I'll wait until it's farther along than its "early phases" before I draw any substantive conclusions, though.
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  14. Just because you think it doesn't make sense.... by teslar · · Score: 1
    ... doesn't mean everyone else agrees. From a security expert, I find this a very strange attitude - surely one should always consider the worst case scenario and never dismiss any technique or approach as "something the bad guys won't use, because it's too cumbersome/difficult/whatever." If nothing else, that technique then has an immediate appeal to the bad guys because it is one you were not expecting.

    'It doesn't make sense that someone selling out the company can't just leave with a USB.'
    Oh, I think that makes a lot of sense. Imagine the scenario:
    "Oh, hi Peter, sorry to bother you, but we have a suspicion that someone from the inside might be leaking sensitive information to our competitors. Do you mind if we have a quick look at your USB stick?"

    Would you rather be caught with:
    a) All the company's secrets
    b) Pictures of your daughter

    And yeah, you could be encrypting all that information, but even an encrypted file would be more suspicious than a picture of your cute daughter.
  15. One thing I don't get by Gnostic+Ronin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One thing I really don't get about steganography is why hiding a message *in* a picture is preferable to sending the picture as a message.

    For example, if "teh terrist" wanted to send a message like "attack now", why couldn't the message be given via a pre-arranged signal -- say the image shows Osama wearing a silver watch for "It's go time", and a gold watch for "wait out the Americans". No one can detect a "hidden message" because there is none.

    You could do the same for other things even if you don't use USB (which would probably be easiest in a workplace). How about plain old pencil and paper? Just write down the information, put it in a device called an "envelope", write down the physical address of the guy you're sending it to, and drop it off in the post office. It's virtually untraceable, and would work even if the IT guys turn off the USB ports.

    1. Re:One thing I don't get by cyclop · · Score: 1

      For example, if "teh terrist" wanted to send a message like "attack now", why couldn't the message be given via a pre-arranged signal -- say the image shows Osama wearing a silver watch for "It's go time", and a gold watch for "wait out the Americans". No one can detect a "hidden message" because there is none.

      (1)This works only on messages you already have acknowledged with the receiver. Good for "attack now", but bad for "The new address of the target is X,Y,Z..."

      (2)If you repeaditly use the same image(s) to send the same message, the code is plainly cracked.

      As for the envelope, I guess you're joking.

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    2. Re:One thing I don't get by sqrt(2) · · Score: 1

      Good for relying information that is a binary state, or at most a few degrees of complexity, but how did they get the information on what signal matches to what command? That had to be transmitted somehow too. What if they needed to change the signal because the codes were compromised?

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    3. Re:One thing I don't get by caluml · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why couldn't the message be given via a pre-arranged signal It's the same problem as OTPs. If you can get the "pre-arranged signal" secretly to and from the participants, then why not just use that same method to get the message out too?
    4. Re:One thing I don't get by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      For example, if "teh terrist" wanted to send a message like "attack now", why couldn't the message be given via a pre-arranged signal

            Ideally you would want to use both of these methods.

            Even sending an encrypted message saying "we attack X location tomorrow at 3am, bring teams 2 and 3" jeapordizes the whole thing if somehow someone manages to decrypt your message. But if they decrypt the message and say "oh look, a picture of Osama - wtf?".

            You're right in that prearranged signals are a great way to hide messages. The Brits used to do it with the French resistance on the darned public radio frequencies, right under the Germans' noses. You can even get more sophisticated by using combinations of messages, or having the same message mean different things depending on the time. The biggest problem there is if your "codebook" is leaked to your enemy. But I guess that's the problem with any security - it won't work if you give the key to your enemy.

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    5. Re:One thing I don't get by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can get the "pre-arranged signal" secretly to and from the participants, then why not just use that same method to get the message out too?

            Because perhaps the "pre-arranged signal" was given in a face to face meeting, which will only happen once so as not to arouse suspicion.

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    6. Re:One thing I don't get by igb · · Score: 1
      ``The Brits used to do it with the French resistance on the darned public radio frequencies, right under the Germans' noses. ''

      It worked well, and had some interesting advantages. One benefit was it provided a means for a resistance worker to partially confirm that someone claiming to speak for British intelligence really was: the latter said ``give me a sentence, any sentence, and I'll arrange to have it broadcast by the BBC''. It didn't work as well as it should because SOE were very careless and/or stupid about paying attention to duress markers in cipher traffic, but that undermined a lot of their work.

      But the Germans helped by being pretty dense. Under interrogation, a resistance worker actually told the Germans of the meaning of ``Les sanglots longs des violons de l'automne'' (invasion within 48 hours) and ``Bercent mon coeur d'une langueur monotone'' for one group in Orleans. But for reasonable and unreasonable reasons, it was ignored. But then, that's the story of German counter-intelligence all over.

    7. Re:One thing I don't get by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      One thing I really don't get about steganography is why hiding a message *in* a picture is preferable to sending the picture as a message.

      Because hiding a message in a picture can be done on-the-fly, which is much harder with picture as message. Also, because a code (like picture as message) is fairly limited in the number, type, and complexity of messages that can be sent. (And assembling the dictionary is a fair bit of work, keeping it secure even moreso.) OTOH a message hidden in the picture can be anything. Text, audio, video, another picture...
       
      I could go on, but the Reader's Digest version is that message-in-picture is far more flexible and versatile than picture-as-message.
    8. Re:One thing I don't get by perlchild · · Score: 1

      the amount of data...
      Ideally, sending a message should be long enough it's something too big to be memorized

      Same thing with an envelope, if you're in the context of industrial espionage, like the Schneier comment earlier, you'd want to send code or cad drawings, as in something too complicated for somone to memorize, and difficult to impossible for someone to replicate independantly. Stego is used in that context to prevent email logging from proving who sent it... at least, that's the theory.

      As for virtually untraceable envelope, again, sending one page is no problem, anyone who sees you mailing 2000 pages of source code to someone might get a bit suspicious though.en

    9. Re:One thing I don't get by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      It's called 'a code'. You pick words that actually mean other words. No one can understand it unless they have a codebook.

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    10. Re:One thing I don't get by caluml · · Score: 1

      Damnit, you spotted the flaw in my argument. Pistols at dawn, Sir! I demand my satisfaction.

    11. Re:One thing I don't get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Congratulations, you just re-invented codes (not to be confused with ciphers). This is essentially the same as assigning word X of the Bible = attack at dawn. The problem, as with any code, is that you already need to know what the code means to transmit information by it. This works both for and against you.

      Ciphers, on the other hand, are mathematical techniques (like AES) that claim to scramble your information using just a single, relatively short key. It solves the problem of needing massive code books to cover every single bit of information under the sun, at the risk of potentially being vulnerable to mathematical analysis or key compromise.

      Also, even an abstract code could theoretically be statistically analyzed. If Osama is wearing a gold watch more than a silver one, you can learn something from that. And huge code books are likely to be discovered.

      What ends up happening is that you use a distributed cell structure. You set up everything in advance, and then you just tell your comrades that "9/11 is zero hour." But that's all you can really do with codes. And that's a particularly bad code, because "zero hour" isn't completely divorced from the semantics of the message. What you really want is a code like, "Call my sister for me," because it's both completely innocuous and completely unrelated to what you're actually saying.

    12. Re:One thing I don't get by evilviper · · Score: 1

      if "teh terrist" wanted to send a message like "attack now", why couldn't the message be given via a pre-arranged signal

      Because then it has to be prearranged, and all the vast limitations that poses... You have a very limited amount of information you can convey, all possible messages have to be decided upon before-hand, and everyone has to remember every one of them exactly. When there's important information to convey, like someone or some place's name, you have no way to do so.

      Second, if you ARE going to prearrange signals, you want them to be hiding in plain sight themselves... eg. subtly moving some small object in a high-traffic public place. Sending a photo some place leaves quite a digital trail, that isn't hard to pick up on.
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    13. Re:One thing I don't get by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

      For example, if "teh terrist" wanted to send a message like "attack now", why couldn't the message be given via a pre-arranged signal -- say the image shows Osama wearing a silver watch for "It's go time", and a gold watch for "wait out the Americans". No one can detect a "hidden message" because there is none.

      This works provided that all the possible messages are known beforehand, you can meet in person to exchange the definitions of the messages, one simple message per image holds, and there are not too many of them. As soon as you get a number of possible messages larger than can easily be remembered you need to commit it to paper (a code book) and risk compromise of the code through compromise of the code book. If you cannot meet in person then you must transmit the code book without losing cover. If you try to make a code general enough to convey a wide range of messages (e.g. a code for each letter of the alphabet and numbers) then you start making your message images look more suspicious because of a larger number of slight visible differences than can be statistically analysed.

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    14. Re:One thing I don't get by Magada · · Score: 1

      Nonono! It would be a waste to waste such brilliant minds as yours, kind sirs. Between yourselves, you managed to reinvent one-time pads.

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  16. Hah, back in the seventies... by Mantaar · · Score: 1

    ... Zep already started it. Stairway to Heaven, backwards. That funny 'reverse' knob on the tape deck sure was fun to play with!

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  17. Debunking steganography by DrYak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In fact people like Guillermito has regularly showed that a lot point'n'click stegano softs are just completely useless. They either don't work at all (fail to transport data) or store the data in nearly not hidden at all way (payload stored as-is past the end of the file, or zero-padded and used for the least significant bit of the file without any encryption).

    Specially if the marketing blurb mentions "military grade" (translation : triple AES is used to store the password. The reader software inputs a password from the user and if it matches the hash... the soft proceeds extracting the otherwise clear, non crypted and un-obfuscated payload).

    So while it *is* possible to design actually working steganography, if a would-be pedo-terrorist-criminal tries to google for stenographic software, he'll most likely land on useless software.

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    1. Re:Debunking steganography by spleen_blender · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah? Well I developed a steganographic program that is undetectable! Here, let me link you to a picture that I've hidden a file in: http://www.fakelinktogoatse.cx/ ph34r m3

    2. Re:Debunking steganography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Specially if the marketing blurb mentions "military grade" (translation : triple AES is used to store the password.

      WTF Is triple AES? There's AES and triple DES. The strength of an AES cipher is determined by its key length (128-bit, 256-bit, etc).

    3. Re:Debunking steganography by nasor · · Score: 1

      Your steganography software doesn't have to be very good, it just has to be good enough to frustrate the police. Yeah, if the government thinks that you have the plans for China's new invisible tank somewhere on your computer, they might give the contents of your hard drive to a bunch of smart programmers and statisticians who will be able to find whatever you tried to hide. But if you're using it to hide the records of your pot deals, or a few thousand credit card numbers that you stole in an email fishing scam, the police probably aren't going to bother.

    4. Re:Debunking steganography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't have to be undetectable, it only has to transport the data. Nothing says you can't encrypt the message however you want first.

  18. This is just the first stage ... by Thrip · · Score: 4, Funny

    Once they've planted the idea in the public's head that child pornographers hide kiddie porn in innocent images, then they can start embedding child porn in all sorts of things, so that when they feel like arresting you, there's a good chance there will be child porn on your computer and your ISP will have server logs of you downloading it. Or maybe I'm just being paranoid.

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    1. Re:This is just the first stage ... by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and there's a whole group of criminals that don't have it quite figured out. Like the ones who hid the new Radiohead album inside a photo of two naked pre-teens.

    2. Re:This is just the first stage ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know who modded you "Funny." I was thinking the same thing. Kiddie porn is sick and evil, but adult porn is wonderful. But who's to say if that beautiful adult image you downloaded has some sick crap hidden in it?

      I also hate the implication in the article that if you have steganography tools on your box, that automatically correlates to criminal intent. What about all us hackers who love to play with technology just for its own sake? Like most Slashdotters I'm a techno fiend, and I would love to play with some stego just for fun.

    3. Re:This is just the first stage ... by kenp2002 · · Score: 1

      Too late, there was a case of a group of people passing bootleg images of Traci Lords around that way, which by the way is classified as Kiddie Pr0n. I've sat in a few cases and lo-and-behold the images were of Traci Lords. I never through about that really... I wonder what % of cases were of her stuff... Either way that tactic went way back to the BBS era. We even had a Door module for Renegage BBSs that you put take and two files and get a steno back. The only requirement was one was larger then the other. You can steno even in audio files now. The key is, with most, having an unlock code. Most steno's now are encrypted as old bit shifts in the color (for images) were far to easy to detect automatically. The nice safety of that is without the key you would have plasuable deniability if you accidentally downloaded a steno. Can you imagine how many facebook or myspace pages have steno'ed data?

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  19. Re:Just because you think it doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drone: There was nothing; just some pics of his 11 year old daughter playing at the pool.
    Boss: Damn. But...Peter doesn't have any kids...

  20. and now THINK for a second. by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How big is that picture of your daughter? I seen a real world example of it. A 4mb image, that somehow only seemed to result in a small photo of about a 100x100 pixels. Yeah, that ain't suspicious AT ALL. Doesn't set of any alarm bells. Nope.

    That is the entire problem with the idea, how do you get enough information inside and still not raise suspicion. It is different for coded messages, keep the code small and it can easily fit but to leak information, you need to start including megabytes of documents in image files that are typically less then a 100kb or do you think nobody will find it odd if you keep a 10megapixel uncompressed image of your daughter on your stick?

    Remember, if it is a small amount of data you can get it out easily, memorize it. But if you are talking industrial espionage you are talking blueprint, documents, databases.

    The researcher claimed that he found traces of the programs in question. TRACES. Meaning they were removed. Now think about this, why does someone remove software. Because they want to hide it OR because they tried it and found it useless?

    Sure, there are uses, but as said, only for situations where the data is small enough to logically fit inside. Child porn image nesting in a harmless image seems about the most logical use, you could easily create a site that serves "harmless" wallpapers but are really childporn. Except one tiny problem, how do you distribute it? Open access, bit risky getting the highly illegal content out there, who knows who might be bored and start snooping. Limited access? Then who are you hiding from?

    The problem with the child porn idea is that it ain't going to fool anybody for long. Contrary to popular believe the police ain't stupid, if they suspect childporn and find nothing but a large collection of regular images that ALL seem to be just a bit too large, then just maybe, they are going to investigate further.

    As for use in distribution, encryption is far easier, if I know you then I can just send the file encrypted and nobody will be the wiser. If I don't know you and post it blindly on a public site, how are you going to know how to get the content out?

    I know that the idea is that one of the elements of hiding is NOT to increase the filesize, but unless I am missing something, if you want to hide 1mb of data, you are going to need at least 1mb of other data to do the hiding in. For a nice database dump, that is a LOT of pictures of your daughter.

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    1. Re:and now THINK for a second. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, if it is a small amount of data you can get it out easily, memorize it. But if you are talking industrial espionage you are talking blueprint, documents, databases.
      I think you underestimate just how useful even as little as 100KB of space can be. For instance, a blueprint doesn't need to be a 100MB rasterized image but can instead be in a vector format like this one Unix_history-simple.svg. That's about 96KB of plaintext (when compressed it's only about 16KB). Same goes for documents - as plaintext a LOT of information fits into 100KB.

      Image sizes. Very few people get suspicious if a JPG-file is 200KB and has a resolution of 1024x768, yet the same image could often be as small as 100KB easy depending on what software you use to write it. Try saving a JPG in Photoshop, for example, and you'll notice that the JPG isn't always that small, then try saving the same image in Gimp and the result will usually be a lot smaller because Gimp doesn't waste as much space for metadata (color info and such). To a lot of people those few KB's wont raise any red flags and yet you can store a lot of useful info as long as you use an efficient format.
  21. Hmm by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

    Don't 4chan users already do this all the time by putting books inside jpgs?

    I believe the technique is you open the jpg with winrar and it ignores everything before the start of the zip file, so ignores the jpg but still reads the zip fine.

    If little kids making penis jokes can do it with so much ease I very much doubt it's "too complex" to be useful in other ways. All it takes is the knowledge and you can hide stuff in broad day light, or at least make it very difficult for people to find that zip of (lets go with the emotional response) child porn hidden among your 500 holiday snaps to the south of France.

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    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      little kids making penis jokes Is that so? Why don't you check it out next Thursday (Literthursday), see what kind of books these "little kids" are reading. You might be surprised.

      - A
    2. Re:Hmm by abb3w · · Score: 1

      Don't 4chan users already do this all the time by putting books inside jpgs?

      That's a particularly simple form of steganography, yes, but it's easily (almost trivially) detected by anyone who suspects the existence of covert messages being sent. (EG, in Cygwin's bash, "for FOO in *.gif *.jpg *.png ; do unzip -l $FOO ; done", and examine results for a quick 'n sloppy pass; a few minutes work more could give something to automatically announce "hidden" zip files and their contents.) There are more sophisticated and subtle forms, such as altering low bit color channels, which make it much harder for Eve Mallory & Co. to even determine that a covert message has been sent... which is what Alice and Bob are generally trying to achieve when they use steganography.

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    3. Re:Hmm by Stray7Xi · · Score: 1

      That is simply concatenating the rar at the end of the jpg. In effect they're just adding a seperate data stream. Steganography usually encodes the data inside the media data stream itself. Whether concatenating is actually steganography is arguable.

  22. Re:Just because you think it doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Oh, hi Peter, sorry to bother you, but we have a suspicion that someone from the inside might be leaking sensitive information to our competitors. Do you mind if we have a quick look at your USB stick?"

    "I don't have a USB stick"

    Now what?

  23. Re:just as planned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amen, brother. In this part of the world there is a minority that behaves pretty much exactly the way the furries do... the Fenno-Swedes. You know, the 5,5% of Finnish citizens who speak Swedish as their mother tongue and believe it's some sort of God's gift to all humanity, or at least the rest of their countrymen.

    Your description of furries fits them spot on. They've chosen a lifestyle of pretending they're some holier than thou remnant of the sacred Swedish kingdom of the middle ages that represents all that is good and civilized about the country, and damn you if you don't agree with them. Their minority group represents an identity that needs to be protected at all costs... and guess what? Everyone else gets to protect them by becoming them, because obviously their identity doesn't matter!! And after all, they're just giving you the GIFT of getting to be Swedish! Great, huh? You'd probably love it if some furry insisted that you SHARE their fetish in order just to prove you're open-minded!

    They want to take your kids early on so they can brainwash them into believing they're Swedes too (this would raise a hell of a protest if it was tried on Åland which has the constitutional right to be racist towards Finns, but of course the same rules do not apply -- only they are "special"), and then they want all kinds of totally ludicrous language requirements everywhere so that they have the right to be "served in Swedish" where-ever they go -- even outside their little reservations along the coastline. If you dare point out that this smacks of manipulation, you hate the minority and are a nazi.

    Think of it -- furries putting your kids into furry-school in order to advance tolerance and understanding, and then educating in the fetish all the way through school, requiring a furriness test before they can graduate university, and then making them get all jiffy with a furry whenever one walks up to you and wants to share the gift of the wonderful, mind-expanding fetish!

    The sad part is that this is not even a complete troll, it's all factual... :)

  24. easy (if somewhat less high-tech) solution by Carbon016 · · Score: 1

    4chan has been using a similar thing for a while - it's easy to hide a zip/rar archive in a jpg as these formats ignore everything but the markers indicating the start and end of the archive. For example, hiding a e-book .pdf in a .zip, then appending it to a .jpg means that it shows up as a valid jpg with the cover or whatever in a browser, etc, but when renamed .zip it functions as a proper archive. Not exactly what's in TFA, but pretty cool nonetheless!

    1. Re:easy (if somewhat less high-tech) solution by rdebath · · Score: 1

      I think I may have started this back in 2001, when the CSS stuff was current http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/Stego/index.html
      And yes it is VERY simple.

  25. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Coward is laughing out loud out loud out, after a plate of egg and bacon.

  26. Stenography probably not used for bulk data xfer by ahodgkinson · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It is unsurprising that there is positive correlation between presence of stenography software and criminals convicted of child pornography and financial fraud. Given the penalties and the police/media preoccupation with these activities, it is hardly surprising that some criminals are using stenography to cover their tracks.

    A point to note is that the criminals using stenography are probably not using it to transfer large quantities of information, but merely communicating small very private messages. This might include links to web servers, credit card numbers or meeting/payment instructions. It is unlikely to require more than a few hundred bytes of data.

    While Schneier is correct that corporate theft is best accomplished with USB drives or even your corporate laptop, the criminals using stenographic software are probably not using it for their bulk transfers of information, but rather pointers or encryption keys to information transfered by other means.

    Comparing the number of web pages against the number of child pornographers who might be hiding stenographic in online images makes Purdue's attempt to crawl the web in search for stenographic data seem futile.

    Data transfers by stenography have to be pre-arranged in advance by some other communication method, otherwise how would sender and receiver know how to encrypt/decrypt their messages? If your interest is in stopping crime, then this is the weakest link and should be the focus of your detective work.

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  27. They leave with the bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why wouldn't the criminals just go for a ride with the universal serial bus?

  28. Re:just as planned by Dogtanian · · Score: 1
    At first glance, the above post may appear to be totally offtopic. However, it's not, because careful analysis has shown that it contains the following steganographically-hidden message:-

    "I want the world to know this, but I can't bring myself to say it out loud. I am a total loser whose only thrills are lame attempts to troll Slashdot. And... I am a repressed furry. There, I said it, but no-one will ever know!" Thank you for your honesty, Mister AC.
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  29. This is only the second step by houghi · · Score: 1

    The first ste is to not let people know from whom your recieved anything or to who you are sending things.

    So how can this be done? Easy, post it on Usenet. That way there is no link between the sender and the reciever. I post it on a server in Belgium and somebody else can read it on a server anywhere in the world.

    Obviously you need to be on-topic, othewise you can draw unwated attention on yourself. So you start to look for ways to do that. Binary groups can be ideal for this. Add Stegography and gpg and you have an ideal way of sending messages to anybody. Each person could be using a different group and/or gpg key.

    That way everybody can see your message and perhaps even can find out you are actualy using Stegography, but they will not be able to figure out who it was for or, even if they would be able to hack the information.

    e.g. if you post to news:alt.binaries.pictures.wallpaper daily (Please not more then 50 per person per day) daily, as I do I can once in a while add extra information if I so desire as I did today.

    The advantages over other ways of comunication, like email or websites, is that there is no way to make a link between people directly. This is nothing more then braodcatsing "Jaques has a grand moustage, I repeat, aques has a grand moustache."

    Sure peaople would know that is was send, but they did not know what it ment or whom it was for.

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  30. Re:Just because you think it doesn't make sense... by jshackney · · Score: 1

    I think it's silly. Stego is well known for not being very effective at truly obfuscating the fact that there's hidden data in a photo. Open the file in a hex editor and it's blatantly obvious there's data in the photo. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge could detect the presence of data, uh, with the possible exception of your local border security (sorry, oblig.). I'm suspicious about the study. If you wanted to hide data in a file, why would you then post that image to the web for all to see? Why not just email it to one or two ... million people all spam-like and make sure at least one goes to your target? Most people will delete your spam without even suspecting anything. Then there are the few that would be curious. So, well, not a great idea either. I just don't think stego is what it could be, or what criminals expect it should be.

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  31. Re:Just because you think it doesn't make sense... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    "something the bad guys won't use, because it's too cumbersome/difficult/whatever."

          That's the **AA version of "security"...

    And yeah, you could be encrypting all that information, but even an encrypted file would be more suspicious than a picture of your cute daughter.

          Except for the fact that the little 320 x 240 pic is 512MB...

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  32. Re:Just because you think it doesn't make sense... by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now what?
    (slammed against the wall)

    "Bro don't tase me, don't tase me! Br-clickclickclickclickclick"

    Welcome to the NEW America.

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  33. History Repeats Itself... by tjstork · · Score: 1

    We'll mop up those cowardly confederates at Antienam...

    Those Japanese are too stupid to make it through the jungle at Singapore, and certainly don't have the logistics to sustained forward fleet operations...

    It will be at least a decade before the Russians get the atomic bomb...

    The United States has a comfortable lead in rocket technology...

    A bunch of stupid arabs couldn't put together a complex terrorist attack against the USA....

    We've just about got this insurgency licked...

    And now..!

    Thiefs are too stupid to use advanced technology....

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    1. Re:History Repeats Itself... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "Thiefs are too stupid to use advanced technology...."

      Well if a thief could steganographically encode my car/pc/etc and send it to someone via the internet then maybe I'd care. Then again if the thief did it without me or anyone else (except the recipient ;) ) noticing even after he did it, then I wouldn't care at all.

      In contrast stuff like insider trading is probably very hard to crack if the participants aren't stupid or ignorant. They don't even need to use steganography.

      Nowadays there are zillions of ways to exchange information secretly and easily.

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  34. Too complex and conspicuous for the bad guys by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Yeah... because as we all know that bad guys are concentrated on sacks of money with dollar signs printed on the sides.
    And that they all wear black eye-masks, green hats, red shirts and blue pants.

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  35. Re:just as planned by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    copypasta, also, gb2youknowwhere

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  36. It's not unlocking anything by scarboni888 · · Score: 1

    Well USB "key" is one term I'd like to see discontinued for USB devices that function only as a storage medium. In this case it isn't a "key" to anything, it's a storage device. Drive is okay - shows up with a drive letter or as a /dev/sdb? but key? No - it's not unlocking anything, folks. Therefore it is not a key.

    1. Re:It's not unlocking anything by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      It not called key because it unlocks something, its called key because it goes on your key chain.

    2. Re:It's not unlocking anything by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 1

      In the past i have kept encryption keys like GPG and LUKS keys on my little USB drive, i specifically bought a tiny one for that purpose.

      Same with BitLocker, anyone without a TPM has to use a USB drive to store the key.

      In fact, there are USB token devices which could accurately be called a key, in the same way a smart card is a key.

    3. Re:It's not unlocking anything by gallwapa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, you insensitive clod, what if we use pam_usb to unlock our machines?!

    4. Re:It's not unlocking anything by scarboni888 · · Score: 1

      Not to be pedantic or anything but in that case it would be a fob.

    5. Re:It's not unlocking anything by scarboni888 · · Score: 1

      Exactly - there are such things as USB keys & so that is *exactly* the reason why we shouldn't call drives "keys" - sort of confuses the issue in light of the fact that there are keys & they are not drives. I know it's pedantic but I don't think there's a MOD choice for that ;)

    6. Re:It's not unlocking anything by leenks · · Score: 1

      A key provides access to something. A USB flash device provides access to files / data, so it is fairly logical that most people would call it a key. Anyway, many people only have keys on their keyring and no fob...

    7. Re:It's not unlocking anything by scarboni888 · · Score: 1

      WTF? My internal hard drive provides access to files & data in that way too too but I've never heard anyone referring to it as a "key" of any sort. Most people who drive newer cars have a fob on their keychain that is used to lock & unlock their doors, set their alarm, etc..

    8. Re:It's not unlocking anything by scarboni888 · · Score: 1

      Again, the key is not the drive - in this case you are using a software key which happens to be installed on a USB drive. ;)

    9. Re:It's not unlocking anything by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      You assume people keep it on the same key chain as their car keys. You also assume people have a fob at all.

    10. Re:It's not unlocking anything by somersault · · Score: 1

      Yep I didn't really think how ironic it was that I called it a key, but at least that's a bit more descriptive than just a 'USB'. People don't call anything that plugs into a power socket a 120V or 240V.

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    11. Re:It's not unlocking anything by leenks · · Score: 1

      You don't have to plug your internal hard drive in though. You have to plug a USB device in, much like you have to put a conventional key into a lock. I dislike the term too, but that was the explanation that several of my non-technical friends and family have given me when I asked. It probably doesn't help that major retailers here sell them as USB keys either, nor that IBM, possibly the first supplier of such devices, call them Memory Keys (http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-45844.html)

    12. Re:It's not unlocking anything by gallwapa · · Score: 1

      No - pam_usb utilizes the serial number and mfg of the device to determine it...

    13. Re:It's not unlocking anything by scarboni888 · · Score: 1

      Well then, it looks like you've turned your usb drive into a usb key. Clever. Most people I know just use them as drives. I guess that's what happens when you're surrounded by Windows users all day. *le sigh*

  37. Re:Just because you think it doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Open the file in a hex editor and it's blatantly obvious there's data in the photo.

    Please look at these images and tell me exactly what in the hex dump makes it "blatantly obvious" that one is stegged.

  38. The best implementation by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Funny
    There are about 800 programs that do steganography. The best implementation that I have seen so far works like this:

    First the program takes the target JPG (which you want to be very large), and treats it as random noise. Simply a field of random zeros and ones. Then, within that vast field, the program selects a pattern or frequency to place variations in the noise pattern.

    The variations in the noise pattern act as a beacon - sort of a signal that the payload is coming. Common variations include mathematical pulses at predictable intervals - say something that would easily be recognizable by a 5th-grader, like say a pattern of prime numbers.

    Then it layers in a second layer, nested within the main signal. Some bits are bits to tell how to interpret the other bits. Use a gray scale with standard interpolation. Rotate the second layer 90 degrees. Make sure there's a string break every 60 characters, and add an auxiliary sideband channel. Make sure that the second layer is zoomed in sufficiently, and using a less popular protocol language, so that upon first glance it's not easily recognizable.

    Here's the magical part: It then adds in a third layer. Sort of like in ancient times when parchment was in short supply people would write over old writing... it was called a palimpsest. Here you can catalog over 10,000 "frames" of data, which can communicate any message that you want.

    Further details on this method can be found here.

    1. Re:The best implementation by Gorobei · · Score: 1

      That's pretty funny. It has no relationship to reality, of course. Probably worth +5 informative on slashdot, though.

    2. Re:The best implementation by Chapter80 · · Score: 1
      Ah, someone got "Mod-ulated"! "Informative", gotta love it. Some Mod needs to turn in their Geek card...

      ELLIE Mathematics is the only truly universal language, Senator. We think this may be a beacon -- an announcement to get our attention.
      DRUMLIN If it's attention you want I'd say you've got it. Just one thing: Why Vega? Everyone's looked at Vega for years with no results, and now, yesterday, they start broadcasting primes.

      ...

      LUNACHARSKY A second layer, nested within the main signal; possibly... a picture? Product of three primes...
      KITZ (joining them) What.
      LUNACHARSKY ... definitely three dimensions, either a hologram or a two- dimensional picture that moves in time; a movie.
      DRUMLIN (dryly) Hope there's a cartoon.
      KITZ How is that possible? How could all that information be encoded in --
      KENT Well, sir, some bits of the signal are bits that tell us how to interpret the other bits. Technically speaking.
      JURYRIGGED 35-INCH MONITOR Strings of zeros and ones fill the screen as the group assembles around it.
      ELLIE Enlarge.
      Willie types. Ellie moves closer, studying it.
      Intuitively:
      ELLIE Try plotting values in a three dimensional coordinate system.
      A pattern begins to emerge.

      DRUMLIN Throw a gray scale on it; standard interpolation.
      ELLIE Rotate 90 degrees counterclock wise.
      Willie enters commands. All are mesmerized by the shadows taking form on the screen.

      ELLIE It has to be an image. Stack it up, string-breaks every 60th character.
      On the screen a distinct black and white moving image forms; grays define it even further. The group is transfixed. Kitz whispers to an aide who makes a call in a hand radio.
      KENT Um... I've got an auxiliary sideband channel here. I think it's audio.
      An otherworldly RUMBLING GLISSANDO of sounds joins the image, sliding up and down the spectrum... and then the faint SWELLING MUSIC is heard. Ellie reaches over Willie and type more commands. The picture rotates, rectifies, focuses --

      KITZ What in the hell...?
      DRUMLIN It's a hoax. I knew it!
      KENT Um, excuse me, but would someone mind telling me what the hell is going on?
      Other reactions range from astonishment to nervous laughter. Ellie and Peter stare in utter amazement.
      ON SCREEN A grainy black and white image of a massive reviewing stand adorned with an immense Art Deco eagle.
      Clutched in the eagle's concrete talons is a swastika.
      Adolph Hitler salutes a rhythmically chanting crowd.
      The deep baritone voice of an ANNOUNCER, scratchy but unmistakably GERMAN, BOOMS through the room. The dark absurdity of the moment plays over Ellie's face; helpless:
      ELLIE Anybody know German?

      Kent tilts his head, closes his eyes.

      KENT The Fuhrer... welcomes the world to the German Fatherland... for the opening of the 1936 Olympic Games.
      Hitler's face fills the screen. The crowd roars its approval.

      ...

      Ellie hurries into the control room -- then stops dead.

      POV - MAIN MONITOR The incredibly complex geometric pattern we see flashing on the screen will be referred to as hieroglyphics -- but they are like no hieroglyphics ever seen before; chillingly otherworldly, they are the first visual artifact of an alien civilization. The scientists stand stunned and silent.
      BACK TO SCENE
      ELLIE What...
      LUNACHARSKY (softly)
      In ancient times when parchment was in short supply people would write over old writing... it was called a palimpsest.
      ELLIE A third lay

    3. Re:The best implementation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha ha. Informative! Very funny.

    4. Re:The best implementation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Did ya see what he did there? He hid a message inside his message. And it got a + Informative. See http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=334331&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=21057007

    5. Re:The best implementation by PK076189 · · Score: 1

      Talking about the best implementation, this method(steganography) can be best implemented by the decepticons robots to inflitrate the US military network(again)in the upcoming transformers sequel motion picture since they already knew to attack computer networks by using signal transmissions. I'm sure the US military doesnt have the solutions for these sort of attacks. Prepare for the worst anyway.

  39. PB by dkd903 · · Score: 0

    in the entire prison break series we have had enough of steganography. so isnt it enuff to prove the worth?

  40. Missing Option by Gygash · · Score: 1

    Neal-Stick

  41. Pity we can't call it by wiredog · · Score: 1

    the Technology Without An Interesting Name...

  42. Bowling invitation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like someone didn't get their invitation to the Furries v. Klingons bowling tournament, and is pouting about it.

    http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/25/furries-vs-klingons.html

  43. "USB Naming Expert" by fosterNutrition · · Score: 1

    Who doesn't know that Bruce Schneier is in fact a very reputable, actual expert.

  44. Is Schneier being naive? by argent · · Score: 1

    Schneier says steganographic images are just too obvious, anyway, which renders the technique useless. "If I'm in Burma and trying to send out human rights documentation and hide it in a picture of a giraffe," it's going to look suspicious, he says. "For it to work, you need to have a plausible cover story."

    Like, you're sending pictures of your family to relatives overseas?

    Steganography is just a new way to mix up the classic techniques of prearranged obscure and innocent signals with ciphers, and these kinds of signals are well known and have a long history of being used by all kinds of people for purposes both innocent and otherwise. Paul Revere's "one if by land, two if by sea". Coded messages in classified advertisements. Kipling's raised hand. They've even been appropriated and turned into normal and expected parts of games, like signals in baseball, or bidding in contract bridge.

    1. Re:Is Schneier being naive? by monkaru · · Score: 2, Funny

      A picture of a giraffe would stand out on the internet? Even a picture of a mans gaping anus doesn't stand out on the internet. *laughs*

    2. Re:Is Schneier being naive? by argent · · Score: 1

      goatse.ganography?

  45. imageboards by niteice · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On some imageboards (which shall remain anonymous), a common trick is to password-protect a RAR file and append it to a an image (cat foo.jpg bar.rar > baz.jpg). Most RAR utilities skip right over the image data and only extract the RAR file.

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    1. Re:imageboards by Stavr0 · · Score: 1

      On some imageboards (which shall remain anonymous), a common trick is to password-protect a RAR file and append it to a an image (cat foo.jpg bar.rar > baz.jpg). Most RAR utilities skip right over the image data and only extract the RAR file. Except that

      COPY /B mudkip.jpg + an_hero.rar lulz.jpg
      is NOT steganography. It's a sort of naive covert channel.
    2. Re:imageboards by niteice · · Score: 1

      True, but more than a few people can be fooled by it.

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      ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
  46. Re:Stenography probably not used for bulk data xfe by monkaru · · Score: 2, Informative

    The viewer or reciever doesn't need to have a constantly updated password. They just need to know, say, a half dozen file names and passwords in advance, maybe years in advance, and try them against the image. It is trivially easy to hide a hashed text file in a compressed image file and it doesn't take special software to do it. A simple HEX editor is enough. It's pretty easy to detect but it wouldn't matter if the text data is hashed with strong encryption. There is a misconception that important data must be large to be worthwhile. 20 to 30 KB of text is one heck of a lot of data if it contains, say, user names and passwords and that's pretty easy to hash and then compress to 8 or 12 KB. So, yes, compressed image files are a pretty good carrier and can be used effectively when preparations are made well in advance. There is no such animal as invisible stenography. It's going to be dead obvious something is going on the instant the file is "HEXed" but the hashed data still has to be decrypted. Obsfucation and encryption - no reason for that not to work and work well.

  47. Typical Purdue research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No ideas, no results, just big claims.

  48. Distributing Steganography Software Doesn't Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It would seem that distributing steganography software software would immediately make it useless. Steganography is based on hiding information in such a way that other people can't find it unless they know EXACTLY where it is (eg if every other prime-numbered byte in a raw image produces a text file when appended in a certain order, it is unlikely anyone will find it). When software like this is distributed, however, anyone who receives it may potentially figure out where/how it hides the files, and once one person figures it out anyone can then find any files hidden that way, rendering that method of steganography useless. This means that only individuals/groups that can develop their own form of steganography will be able to use it with any effectiveness.

  49. Re:Just because you think it doesn't make sense... by Bee1zebub · · Score: 0

    Using a second stick is not beyond the wit of man. The problem that the logs may show you copying files to your stick, but then they would also most likely show you using stenography in that case as well.

  50. Using stenography for sekrit messages? by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    Whooptie fucking doo. My secretary uses stenography on all my dictation, I must be a fucking James Bond villain.

    *yes, I know the difference.*

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    Sell the spice to CHOAM
    This Mahdi took Shaddam's Throne
  51. Stego MP3 by johnny+boy · · Score: 1

    If Steganography software was any good it wouldn't look like Steganographic software. Time to write that MP3 player / word processor / web browser that hides data in the MP3s / documents / web sites it accesses.

  52. Re:Distributing Steganography Software Doesn't Wor by cduffy · · Score: 1

    ...and that's why stego is typically combined with crypto (to make the payload look more like random noise and prevent it from being decrypted even should it be found) and other techniques to hide the payload from statistical analysis (ie. making it look less like random noise, and more like the noise that legitimately appears in images' low-order bits).

    Done right, stego can be resistant to analysis, even by someone who knows the algorithm. Of course, it's a cat-and-mouse game between those working on analysis software and those improving steganography techniques.

  53. Underestimating Criminals by photomonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, there are a tremendous number of stupid criminals out there, just like there are a tremendous number of stupid people out there.

    But we chronically underestimate what people are capable of. I know a bit about O-chem, and with a bit of research could probably manufacture meth fairly easily. It's really not much more complicated than setting up a moonshine still. Out of the reach of some? Sure. But the fact remains that tens of thousands of strung-out hoopleheads manage to do it every day.

    We complain about them damn young kids sailing the high seas of Internet and maliciously raiding commerce vessels trading in MP3s, and yet many judges seem baffled by even simple concepts like IP addressing and server logging.

    These steganography tools are fairly easy to use. So why, again, are we surprised that criminals can point and click?

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  54. Re:Just because you think it doesn't make sense... by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1

    Except for the fact that the little 320 x 240 pic is 512MB... As a possibility, rather then attaching one file to 1 picture, instead you take one file, divide it into small, reasonably sized chunks, and embedding them in, say, your vacation photos. It's one thing if your JPEG is several megs too big, but another if multiple JPEGs are a few KBs too big.
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    Zagreus sits inside your head, Zagreus lives among the dead, Zagreus sees you in your bed and eats you in your sleep.
  55. Uninformed by cdrguru · · Score: 1

    Apparently what a lot of people do not realize is the common, off-the-shelf freeware stego tools insert signatures of the program used into the file itself. Thus, by examining a JPEG image with a suitable steganography detection tool it will reveal that such a program was used.

    This utterly removes the utility of steganography in one pass. If the program leaves a signature, there is no longer a reason for using it.

    And pictures are not the only thing. There is a tool that will embed data into a Windows .EXE file. Of course, it leaves a signature so it can determine if there is anything included in any given .EXE file.

    Pointless. Sure you can encrypt the data you are hiding, but the point of hiding is to remain hidden. With a signature it is obvious there is something hidden there. Do you not believe there are people checking USENET posts and picture exchange sites for this sort of thing? OK, I can post a picture of a dog with some child porn hidden in it. I would then publically offer the password/location/etc for $10 via e-Gold. Of course I'm not going to get caught but the picture will get taken down. Probably before I get paid. This stopped being a good way to exchange pictures of abused children several years ago.

    1. Re:Uninformed by monkaru · · Score: 1

      I have doubts that image files could be screened in bulk for such things. More often than not it will simply appear that a .jpg, for example, has garbaged EXIF data. There are BILLIONS of photos posted on the internet with garbage data in them. One has to catch the file on someones computer and, if they are smart, that data won't be on the hard drive more than a few seconds before it is transfered to a tiny USB key and the data on the hard drive securely erased. However it is overreaching to expect to hide one picture inside of another and not have an obvious file size issue. Things like user names and paswords, credit card info and so on are better suited for the task. Is anyone really going to notice that a 174 KB JPEG has 10 or 20 KB of garbage in it? I doubt it. But, half again as big to accomodate a photo would be pretty obvious.

  56. Re:Distributing Steganography Software Doesn't Wor by Agripa · · Score: 2, Informative

    When software like this is distributed, however, anyone who receives it may potentially figure out where/how it hides the files, and once one person figures it out anyone can then find any files hidden that way, rendering that method of steganography useless.

    This is only true for weak forms of steganography in much the same way that it is true for weak forms of cryptography.

    With strong steganography, the correct key is necessary to recover the message or to even prove that the message exists. Hiding the specific algorithm is not a required for security.

    Some spread spectrum communication techniques (but not all) have this property as well. If the received signal is significantly below the received noise level, then recovery or even detection is not possible without the correct spreading sequence.
  57. Not being used by xaosflux · · Score: 1

    While the article states that more instances of stenographic programs were found, it notably does not say that any actual obscured data was found hidden with them. This much more suggests that while these suspects may have gotten a copy of the program, they too have not been using the programs.

  58. Holy Christ by certain+death · · Score: 1

    Have we all forgotten that TFA was about stego?!?!? Holy shit, I could just see you guys at a conference, you would have everyone so confused they would not know what they had just attended!!!

    --
    "My immediate reaction is "WTF? What kind of moron doesn't make things 64-bit safe to begin with?" Linus
  59. Yes but don't forget: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chuck Norris' roundhouse kick is so powerful, it can be seen from outer space by the naked eye.

    1. Re:Yes but don't forget: by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      Chuck Norris' roundhouse kick is so powerful, it can be seen from outer space by the naked eye. Just shows you what a good teacher Bruce Schneier is, then, don't it?

      No "security through obscurity" there - that's good ol' plain "security through kicking the shit out of everyone else" ...
  60. Re:Just because you think it doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eh, fucker deserved it. Everyone should have a USB stick to avoid this exact situation!

    Interestingly, the Captcha for this post is "Pacified"

  61. What you call a thumb drive/flash drive/pen drive by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The ResearchBuzz blog has proposed "nerdstick". I've standardized on that for my own use.

  62. Because you use it, you abuse it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    QUOTE: Goldman says he later realized that they had been going at the research all wrong. "The probability of finding anything wasn't that high, and I started to feel like we were looking in the wrong place, and jumping too far into it. Trying to find these steganographic files in the wild seemed impossible."

    Instead, the Purdue researchers decided to first try to prove whether criminals were using steganography tools at all. "Never mind finding the evidence of what they are sharing or the secret message, but just proving they use it," he says. "This is the first time this has been done, I think.


    This is the same as saying that because you own a gun, you are a killer.

  63. Ignore this post by ChameleonDave · · Score: 0

    WTF? I moderated that "Funny". How did it come out as "Troll"?

    Posting to undo my modding.

  64. Who Cares? (i.e. why is finding this exciting?) by adatepej · · Score: 1

    Like the guy in the article said, people'll put it on a USB. And they said they'd never be able to detect the images "in the wild" anyhow as the "signatures" aren't known! So, who cares, if there's nothing to be done "in the wild" anyhow?

    1. Re:Who Cares? (i.e. why is finding this exciting?) by deftcoder · · Score: 1

      The "guy"?

      You do realize you've just insulted God, right?

      When the 44th Mersenne prime was found, Bruce Schneier had to change the combination on his luggage.

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      Peace sells, but who's buying?
  65. Re:Stenography probably not used for bulk data xfe by necro2607 · · Score: 1

    Hey man, the article is about steganography, not stenography. ;)

  66. Just a thought... by rk07585 · · Score: 1

    Well I say don't underestimate the criminals mind. There's nothing surprising about criminals taking advantage in using steganography. If it brings benefits to them, they would definitely try it. Anyone has potential to become a crimal which makes it not impossible for certain criminals to know how to use steganography. Although expert Schneier dismisses the idea, there's still a chance that he may be wrong. After all, experts are still humans and no matter how good they are at what they are doing, they bound to make mistakes one way or another, sooner or later.

  67. Re:Distributing Steganography Software Doesn't Wor by TheLink · · Score: 1

    "With strong steganography, the correct key is necessary to recover the message or to even prove that the message exists."

    Not if you leave the lower noise original "carrier" (photo/sound file) around and a copy of steganographic software that isn't installed by default.

    People might find the software and the original and then ask you some questions. In the UK or similar countries they might then start asking you for your keys, which you are required by law to hand over.

    Same thing goes for the usual crypto software.

    A possible solution is:
    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/148440

    Sure that'll make it convenient for criminals. But it'll make it convenient for non-criminals too.

    The last I checked, there are numerous cases of people being considered criminals in one country but considered decent or even exemplary people in another. In some cases the person doesn't change but the government/laws change and suddenly the person is now a criminal.

    Sometimes such a person is indeed an evil person, but if he is evil enough there is usually plenty of other evidence or ways to get him (the Tax Dept comes to mind ;) ).

    And if an evil person somehow keeps his evil actions and thoughts to the limits of his mind and mind prosthetic and behaves in a reasonably decent manner otherwise, then who are we to judge or cast the first stone?

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  68. One word: "Plausible Deniability" by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1
    If we're talking about child-porn and regular crime (not international espionage) all you need do is make it impossible for them to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you were breaking the law (and knew it).

    If they don't find evidence of a steganographic or cryptographic application on your hard drive, it means nothing that you have a few hundred wallpapers containing child-pornography. If the wallpapers were publicly downloadable, then how would they go about proving someone was aware that they contained the child porn? If they do find steg/crypto software on your PC, you simply point them to your folder of holiday snaps and give them the keys to unlock your family recipe for swedish meathballs or bank account details or whatever. The police can suspect and investigate all they like, but if the crypto is up to it, they won't get anywhere beyond supposition and circumstantial evidence...

    "As for use in distribution, encryption is far easier, if I know you then I can just send the file encrypted and nobody will be the wiser. If I don't know you and post it blindly on a public site, how are you going to know how to get the content out?"
    What if the person you are sending to no longer has control of their machine because they've been arrested? The police now know that you sent an encrypted message to a suspected criminal. If the message was encrypted and stuffed inside an image, you have plausible deniability. "Why officer, I had no idea the other members of my photography club were drug dealers! I've just been innocently swapping my large uncompressed nature pictures with them! I am *shocked*!"
  69. Re:Distributing Steganography Software Doesn't Wor by Agripa · · Score: 1

    "With strong steganography, the correct key is necessary to recover the message or to even prove that the message exists."

    Not if you leave the lower noise original "carrier" (photo/sound file) around and a copy of steganographic software that isn't installed by default.

    Even the strongest steganographic (or cryptographic) algorithm can be defeated through user incompetence. :) Just ask the committee that approved WEP or any users who rely on low entropy passwords. *

    If I am creating my own continuous tone and likely compressed images and relying on them for steganographic data transmission, why would I keep the originals?

    People might find the software and the original and then ask you some questions. In the UK or similar countries they might then start asking you for your keys, which you are required by law to hand over.

    I anticipate the day UK authorities use this provision to hold and/or persecute someone for reasons having nothing to do with withholding cryptographic keys. I suppose they could learn a lesson from US law enforcement and tie this in with property seizure although I suspect the former could teach a thing or two to the later.

    * Oddly enough, I have had problems recently with passwords being rejected for being too good. Apparently, 128 bit randomly generated hexadecimal numbers are insecure in some way I do not understand.
  70. Terrorist porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm, Has anyone ever considered the fact that terrorists (or ordinary criminals) might use steganography to hide useful information in porn? I mean, if I was a terrorist from a highly sexually repressed culture that forbid any public display of sexuality (or drinking), the first thing I would do is find a valid excuse to get at some porn (Basic human nature doesn't change much between cultures).

    So if the terrorist (or just criminal) generate the porn they hide the messages in, there is no unaltered original to compare against. It also isn't very obvious, porn is the Internets "dirty little secret", a large fraction of Internet users download porn. They certainly would not be using COTS software, even if they are non state actors, they certainly have enough resources and contacts among the universities and friendly governments that they could get non signature bearing steganographic tools. And they would not get into trouble with their own group, after all, they are viewing porn "for the good of the cause".

    Hmm... I wonder if NSA is hiring?

  71. USB Drives are Old School by PPH · · Score: 1

    Why risk getting caught sneaking data out in little chunks on USB drives? Just put a copy on your company laptop so you can 'work at home'. Then report the laptop stolen.

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  72. Cracked the code by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

    RearShowseat onePronographyminoron the riseJacksHeadww wbad guysc mochild pornfickingorgytoolfreeusefacesThis broad availabils, exexperts to datestreamingmassagescomehand

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