Given that he got access via social engineering and such clever "exploits" as asking "and what was your password?", *nobody* is going to admit that they were a conduit, as they'd be out of a job.
Indeed. "Some of my best friends are [minority]" is the canonical phrasing of the wiggle. Do not follow this link: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SomeOfMyBestFriendsAreX It's tvtropes - you'll never escape!
Whilst I mostly agree, I would say that anyone who uses Zionist argumentation is using the Jewish identity as part of their stance, and therefore that Judaism is part of the problem, not completely irrelevant.
In particular as there's almost no choice for any real inventiveness when it comes to such chants. The formula for that one is:
Spurs are on their way to [somewhere] [someone]'s gonna [do something to] 'em again [You/We] can't stop 'em, The [boys] from tot'nam The [boys] from White Hart Lane.
(OK, you can flip the roles, and have spurs in the 2nd line doing something to someone else mentioned in the first line, but you get the idea, there's little room for creativity.)
You're not gonna get poetry in a football chant.
As for offensiveness? I subscribe to the "nothing's off-limits for humour", even if it's crap humour, school (having said that, I think even Gilbert Godfried went too far in/The Aristocrats/). People do have the right to be offended by the above, I'll grant them that. However, they do not have the right to prevent anyone else being offended by it.
However, one should add to the idealistic component the more practical one. Anything curtailing free speech for stuff like this is most likely to be counter-productive, for reasons which will probably be expressed as "those fucking yid-lovers won't even let us make a fucking joke any more" (except with more spelling mistakes and gramattical errors). The more we are a threat to them, the stronger their resolve. The best way to marginalise racism is to encourage discussion in the open, and, through superiour debating skills and logic, show them up as being irrational and ignorant. Most are stupid enough to be their own worst enemy. IMHO.
This slashdot thread also refers to Hitler and the gas chambers. As a contributor to the thread, you should hand yourself in to the nearest police station.
The Estonia figure was all inclusive, so you're not comparing like with like, you need to add all 50 extra $300M's, or whatever they may be. (And if they are all indeed $300M, then you may conclude that we do things 50 times more cheaply, not 20 times, as originally guestimated.)
Set up a blinded experiment where the absense or presence of a malicious Randi would be measurable if your claim is true (as some experiments would fail, others succeed). If the proposer of the original effect can reliably detect a malicious Randi from his fail/success results, then you'd have a result.
> dismissing an idea as nutty without performing an experiment is pseudoscience
Dismissing an idea that has no proposed, or even imaginable, mechanism, and which if it or its mechanism was true would lead to the contradiction of well known and well trusted science is a good thing. (Evolution and fixing corner cases is not contradiction - e.g. Special Relativity does not contradict Newtonian mechanics, it supports it for the cases where we most often use Newtonian mechanics (which is why we still use Newtonian mechanics for those cases).)
Almost all the greatest breakthroughs have had putative explanations which are not immediately dismissable right from their earliest incarnations. Quantum mechanics was probably the spookiest, but I'm not familiar enough with its history to even find an example there. The Ultraviolet Catastrophe certainly pointed towards something (discrete energy levels) that immediately had a literally tangible analogue.
It is easy for us to ridicule Descartes* now, but we should remember Berry Campbell's criterion: the greatness of a man's contribution can be measured by how long he has held up progress. Half a millennium is surely world class! --Joseph Bogen (*for propounding dualism)
You've covered it from a charitable perspective, but there are other cases to cover. How about:
"Psychic" phenonema are just statistical or experimental errors which cause feedback in our cognitive biases, or deliberate fabrications.
Just for reference, if you want some fun coffee-table reading not un-related to your comments, I'm enjoying Prof. Richard Wiseman's/Quirkology/ presently. Despite the lack of coffee-table in my loo.
However, in Estonia, we tend to solve problems for about 1/20th of the budget of other countries. And deliver more quickly. And work. There was a healthcare example about a year or so ago. Some big consultancy said they could tweak the already-up-and-running system Finland was using for something stupid like a hundred million. We said "screw you", and wrote something better from scratch for about 5 million, which was set up in a way that it could be tweaked for other countries' use for next-to-nothing. (And yes, that was *tweaks* for a hundred million.)
I suspect that that particular healthcare thing is indeed part of this larger e-Government solution.
Everyone else designed the one to throw away. Finally, there's one worth keeping. (And no, I'm not blowing my own trumpet, I had no involvement with it at all, I'm not even sure which company was behind it.)
I'm not a big user (e.g. I sign my company's annual reports once a year), but I know other poeple who use it a lot more, and I've never known the ID card infrastructure to be down. That's one of the benefits of a small country - we'll never have to cope with a third of a billion people wanting to use a system.
The biggest issue I had was java/driver/OS incompatibilities which mean that I can only use the card and card-reader on my g/f's x86_64 machine, not my POWER machine, nor my x86 laptop (all running linux). Anyone with delusions that java actually actually runs everywhere at this juncture should be taken outside and put out of my misery.
> we need to stop coddling the investors and job creators and fund the consumers
The notion that the business owners are the job creators is a myth. I run a business, and I want as *few people as possible* on my payroll - just enough to do the work for my clients, not one more - as every single one eats away my bottom line. In reality everyone does think this way - just check how share prices change after the announcement of layoffs.
The real job creaters are indeed the consumers who drive up demand so much that more employees are absolutely necessary in order to satisfy it.
Don't try talking about this at TED, as they'll censor you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRJL33CfDfQ
Do you get confused by both one pound's force and one millimetre of pressure, or are you capable of seeing the implicit dimensioned constant in one but not the other? (I appreciate that's not a dichotomy - perhaps both confuse you, in which case you should probably read a bit more.)
> That worked fine before 30 hours of content were uploaded to YouTube every second of every day. It's a different day. Running any website that isn't for hobbyists can get expensive fast.
Yet I've never seen an advert for youtube. They seem to be doing quite well for a business that doesn't seem to advertise much.
Slashdot Mirror
It may be +5 insightful now, but just wait until the yanks wake up...
I've got my popcorn...
Given that he got access via social engineering and such clever "exploits" as asking "and what was your password?", *nobody* is going to admit that they were a conduit, as they'd be out of a job.
The most worrying phrase in that write-up is this one:
"using license-plate-like fonts downloaded off the web"
I can hear rusty cogs grinding away...
Indeed. "Some of my best friends are [minority]" is the canonical phrasing of the wiggle.
Do not follow this link:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SomeOfMyBestFriendsAreX
It's tvtropes - you'll never escape!
Whilst I mostly agree, I would say that anyone who uses Zionist argumentation is using the Jewish identity as part of their stance, and therefore that Judaism is part of the problem, not completely irrelevant.
In particular as there's almost no choice for any real inventiveness when it comes to such chants. The formula for that one is:
/The Aristocrats/). People do have the right to be offended by the above, I'll grant them that. However, they do not have the right to prevent anyone else being offended by it.
Spurs are on their way to [somewhere]
[someone]'s gonna [do something to] 'em again
[You/We] can't stop 'em,
The [boys] from tot'nam
The [boys] from White Hart Lane.
(OK, you can flip the roles, and have spurs in the 2nd line doing something to someone else mentioned in the first line, but you get the idea, there's little room for creativity.)
You're not gonna get poetry in a football chant.
As for offensiveness? I subscribe to the "nothing's off-limits for humour", even if it's crap humour, school (having said that, I think even Gilbert Godfried went too far in
However, one should add to the idealistic component the more practical one. Anything curtailing free speech for stuff like this is most likely to be counter-productive, for reasons which will probably be expressed as "those fucking yid-lovers won't even let us make a fucking joke any more" (except with more spelling mistakes and gramattical errors). The more we are a threat to them, the stronger their resolve. The best way to marginalise racism is to encourage discussion in the open, and, through superiour debating skills and logic, show them up as being irrational and ignorant. Most are stupid enough to be their own worst enemy. IMHO.
This slashdot thread also refers to Hitler and the gas chambers. As a contributor to the thread, you should hand yourself in to the nearest police station.
I'd normally not comment on a UUOC, but the following is beyond absurd:
---- 8< ---------
WHITE_LISTED_COUNTRY=false
for WHITE_COUNTRY in CA FR BE US CH GB AU IL NO NZ IP
do
WHITE_LISTED_COUNTRY=${WHITE_LISTED_COUNTRY}`echo -n $COUNTRY | grep -i $WHITE_COUNTRY`
done
if [ "$WHITE_LISTED_COUNTRY" = "false" ]
---- 8< -------------
Save yourself 20 fork/execs:
if echo "CA FR BE US CH GB AU IL NO NZ IP" | grep -q -w -i -e "$COUNTRY"; then
echo $COUNTRY is AOK with me
How can healthcare.gov only cost $677M when Oregon on its own is supposed to have spent $300M?
http://washingtonexaminer.com/oregon-signs-up-just-44-people-for-obamacare-despite-spending-300-million/article/2540529
The Estonia figure was all inclusive, so you're not comparing like with like, you need to add all 50 extra $300M's, or whatever they may be.
(And if they are all indeed $300M, then you may conclude that we do things 50 times more cheaply, not 20 times, as originally guestimated.)
Set up a blinded experiment where the absense or presence of a malicious Randi would be measurable if your claim is true (as some experiments would fail, others succeed). If the proposer of the original effect can reliably detect a malicious Randi from his fail/success results, then you'd have a result.
> dismissing an idea as nutty without performing an experiment is pseudoscience
Dismissing an idea that has no proposed, or even imaginable, mechanism, and which if it or its mechanism was true would lead to the contradiction of well known and well trusted science is a good thing. (Evolution and fixing corner cases is not contradiction - e.g. Special Relativity does not contradict Newtonian mechanics, it supports it for the cases where we most often use Newtonian mechanics (which is why we still use Newtonian mechanics for those cases).)
Almost all the greatest breakthroughs have had putative explanations which are not immediately dismissable right from their earliest incarnations. Quantum mechanics was probably the spookiest, but I'm not familiar enough with its history to even find an example there. The Ultraviolet Catastrophe certainly pointed towards something (discrete energy levels) that immediately had a literally tangible analogue.
> We most certainly *do* know why observation affects an experiment. It's the Heisenberg uncertainty principle in action
You apparenty do not understand the question "why?"
All you've done is put a name to the effect in some contexts.
It is easy for us to ridicule Descartes* now, but we should
remember Berry Campbell's criterion: the greatness of a man's
contribution can be measured by how long he has held up progress.
Half a millennium is surely world class!
--Joseph Bogen
(*for propounding dualism)
Your post reeks of such dualism.
You've covered it from a charitable perspective, but there are other cases to cover. How about:
/Quirkology/ presently. Despite the lack of coffee-table in my loo.
"Psychic" phenonema are just statistical or experimental errors which cause feedback in our cognitive biases, or deliberate fabrications.
Just for reference, if you want some fun coffee-table reading not un-related to your comments, I'm enjoying Prof. Richard Wiseman's
I detect someone whom needs to sit down and relax with a nice expresso, and watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3y0CD2CoCs
Given your last 2 replies to me (and possibly a few previous ones) it seems as if you have massive comprehension issues.
Clue - there was no "5 million tweak".
However, in Estonia, we tend to solve problems for about 1/20th of the budget of other countries. And deliver more quickly. And work. There was a healthcare example about a year or so ago. Some big consultancy said they could tweak the already-up-and-running system Finland was using for something stupid like a hundred million. We said "screw you", and wrote something better from scratch for about 5 million, which was set up in a way that it could be tweaked for other countries' use for next-to-nothing. (And yes, that was *tweaks* for a hundred million.)
I suspect that that particular healthcare thing is indeed part of this larger e-Government solution.
Everyone else designed the one to throw away. Finally, there's one worth keeping. (And no, I'm not blowing my own trumpet, I had no involvement with it at all, I'm not even sure which company was behind it.)
I'm not a big user (e.g. I sign my company's annual reports once a year), but I know other poeple who use it a lot more, and I've never known the ID card infrastructure to be down. That's one of the benefits of a small country - we'll never have to cope with a third of a billion people wanting to use a system.
The biggest issue I had was java/driver/OS incompatibilities which mean that I can only use the card and card-reader on my g/f's x86_64 machine, not my POWER machine, nor my x86 laptop (all running linux). Anyone with delusions that java actually actually runs everywhere at this juncture should be taken outside and put out of my misery.
> it's not clear why their company is in Switzerland.
tax avoidance.
Obligatory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VgwxKW0J6I
There are drug company representatives (Bayer, Monsanto) behind some of the "pesticides are almost certainly fucking things up" reports:
http://www.setac.org/resource/resmgr/publications_and_resources/executivesummarypollinators_.pdf?hhSearchTerms=SETAC+and+Pellston+and+Workshop
Of course, maybe their boss' boss' boss doesn't know about this yet, which is why they're still in a job.
> we need to stop coddling the investors and job creators and fund the consumers
The notion that the business owners are the job creators is a myth. I run a business, and I want as *few people as possible* on my payroll - just enough to do the work for my clients, not one more - as every single one eats away my bottom line. In reality everyone does think this way - just check how share prices change after the announcement of layoffs.
The real job creaters are indeed the consumers who drive up demand so much that more employees are absolutely necessary in order to satisfy it.
Don't try talking about this at TED, as they'll censor you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRJL33CfDfQ
Do you get confused by both one pound's force and one millimetre of pressure, or are you capable of seeing the implicit dimensioned constant in one but not the other? (I appreciate that's not a dichotomy - perhaps both confuse you, in which case you should probably read a bit more.)
> That worked fine before 30 hours of content were uploaded to YouTube every second of every day. It's a different day. Running any website that isn't for hobbyists can get expensive fast.
Yet I've never seen an advert for youtube. They seem to be doing quite well for a business that doesn't seem to advertise much.
> do not want to see erection disorder drugs when the kids watch Nickelodeon
"Is daddy grumpy all the time?"
"Buy him the new purple power pill for christmas!"
"Is mummy grumpy all the time?"
"Buy daddy the new purple power pill for christmas!"