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Soviet Union Spent $1 Billion On "Psychotronic" Arms Race With the US
KentuckyFC writes "During the Cold War, the US and the Soviet Union battled on many fronts to demonstrate their superior technical and scientific achievements. While the race to put a human in space and then on the Moon is famous, a much less well-known battlefront was the unconventional science of parapsychology, or psychotronics as the Soviets called it. Now a new review of unconventional research in the Soviet Union reveals the scale of this work for the first time and the cost: as much as $1 billion. The Soviets had programs studying how "human energy" could influence other objects and how this energy could be generated independently of humans using a device called 'cerpan'. The Soviets also had a mind control program similar to the CIA's infamous MKULTRA project. Interestingly, the Soviets included non-local physics in this work, such as the Aharonov-Bohm effect in which an electromagnetic field can influence a particle confined to region where the field strength is zero. And they built a number of devices that exploited the effect, although research in this area appears to have ended in 2003."
didn't we?
When man stare at goat man have heart attack.
"Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
We didn't put a man on the Moon because of some silly international cock-waving contest, we did it because of the species and because we needed to invent computers. The only reason you have a computer to read my comment is because of space.
I guess this goes to show you don't need religion to believe in nutty pseudoscience.
We cannot permit an imaginary weapons gap!
waste of money - kill all politicians and gut public-sector pigs
The program sounds like it had a nutty origin (like the analogous U.S. programs), but from this part:
That sounds like legitimate physics research. Research into the principle of locality is unlikely to produce a mind-controlled teleportation beam, but it has yielded a better understanding of quantum mechanics.
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That commercial you watched last night where the screen changed so often your eyes couldn't focus on it, the deep voice talking with music playing at the same beats per minute as the desired heart rate the advertiser wants, displayed on a screen at 30hz, usually starting off with either a motherly women or a crowd of people looking at you.
MKUltra started that research. Want to learn mind control, go get a masters in motion video or advertising; what they teach is textbook psychological warfare with a domestic application.
Funny thing; once you know it's going on, it doesn't work anymore.
I always wonder why articles like this are posted on slashdot. I mean, it's simply not reasonable to convey this ideology on a tech-savvy website just to have everyone point out that it's silly pseudoscience.
The general population of this type of website is going to bash anyone that agrees that spending a billion dollars on pseudoscience is "worth it", regardless of what the government has concluded. I seriously doubt that they started off like, "Ok guys, we're going to try this silly stuff out. Let's start with.... a billion dollars, and go from there." Then later once they have spent the money, "Ok guys, that was a waste of money. Let's all pack up and try to forget how silly we all were." Surely spending that kind of money on such a project had some merit, or it wouldn't have cost so much. Now, whether or not they proved that telepathy or anything like that exists is debatable. Perhaps they did find some interesting facts about the realms beyond the physical, but couldn't "make use" of it in any way that they were originally shooting for. Perhaps a lot of that research soon moved to another focus other than war strategies.
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This should set the tinfoil hat brigade off screeching like demented howler monkeys.
.... early research on Quantum Physics.... before it was labeled such.
So there's where the strain mk ultra got its name!!
There were "stories" of similar programs run by the CIA back then (and perhaps they are still doing it right now, as we speak), and I saw a documentary back in the 1980's of a soviet man who could sort of "imprint" what he thinks onto a film/negative.
Someone showed the guy a picture (a building) and then he hold a camera and then focus his "energy" into it, and then they took out the negative to develop and the picture that came out was blurry but still you could make out a "shape" of that building.
I am a science nerd, but still things like that really fascinate me to no end.
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Computer on board
Engaged in war
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Maybe not a mutant, maybe a man
Part bionic
And organic
Not a cyborg
Call him Psychotron
Burning inside
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Battle plan running
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Target to destroy
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For "unconventional science" read "mumbo jumbo". Parapsychology does not qualify as science, unconventional or otherwise. It only qualifies as quackery and bullshit.
One to indicate whether the dollar amount is inflation adjusted or not. I Imagine a $ with an arrow hat on the | So it's an up arrow and an S. That will work for talking about historical figures in current day.
There is another problem though that is wanting to work backward, either by date or rate. So I would suggest the arrowed $, number and a divisor $14.7m/3.5 this would indicate to divide 14.7 by 3.5 to get the original dollar amount.
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like deceptology isn't #1 with the WMD on credit corepirate nazi numerologist genociders?
I always though that there was serious interest in this on both sides, but the US went...WTF and just kept up the show so the Soviets would go bust spending big bucks in a race to keep up. Looks like it worked.
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Someone showed the guy a picture (a building) and then he hold a camera and then focus his "energy" into it, and then they took out the negative to develop and the picture that came out was blurry but still you could make out a "shape" of that building.
Paging Mr. Randi, Mr. James Randi you have a phone call on the wooscam line.
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Are you sure you're not thinking of Ted Serios? I don't think he was a Soviet, in fact WP states he was from Chicago.
I wasn't aware nensha was a thing beyond Ted. Hey, you learn something every day.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
If you think that's bad, you gotta see this: $8 trillion wasted by the US taxpayer in protecting the flow of oil out of the Strait of Hormuz where more than 50% heads to Asia.
... the wisdom of putting our most paranoid citizens into our intelligence & defense agencies.
That the research has ended? Maybe that's what they've made you believe using a late-model cerpan? Cue Twilight Zone music etc. etc. etc.
On y va, qui mal y pense!
Have you driven a fnord lately?
Also, was project CARET actually a hoax?
And while we're on the topic of long-shot wacky ideas, has anyone heard anything from Charles Cosimano lately?
Found a youtube vid on a procedure used for remote viewing created by the military. There was a test at the end. Surprisingly it worked. Forget the group but they were private consultants who had helped engineer the program.
So, "unconventional science" is how you say "farkin' bullshit" in Russian. Got it.
It would not surprise me if these "studies" were due to CIA influence to trick the Soviets into wasting their money and effort.
Yes, but are we doing it by having people sit and wish really, really, hard? There's wasting money in the normal way, and there's wasting money in amazingly stupid ways, even when you consider the "normal way" includes $600.00 hammers and the like. It takes a truly unique and special brand of stupid to waste money in a way that's ridiculous even by the accepted standards of governments world-wide.
Not Courtney Brown or the Farsight Institute by any chance? Weren't they the ones that got Ti and Bo all hopped up about the aliens riding comet Hale-Bopp coming to beam them up?
Crackpots and their interesting theories are kind of a guilty pleasure of mine.
Like the guys that thought LSD would make a dandy truth serum. I heard they threw great parties^W^W did some interesting research.
Back to the Soviet angle, they also researched the LIDA machine, which was supposedly an electronic sleep inducer.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
MKULTRA records were destroyed. How many other programs are like that?
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10176
I feel like saying a bunch of bad words at the posts here. But why bother, your not worth being my TARGET.
If I saw a goat man, I would have a heart attack too.
We do it with the media
However we are current pursuing efforts at mind reading and using minds to control devices using a feedback device which measures activity in regions of the brain. 50 years ago, this would have been considered bunk, so there obviously has been some progress.
Have gnu, will travel.
I was given the power to move objects with my mind, and then some agency remotely removed my memory and ability from a bunker deep in the ground. They left me a broken man with only a vague notion of my manufactured past and a vivid imagination, but no ability to write a script that the ScyFy would carry -- when clearly, I can improve upon the "Fire-breathing Snake, but not a Dragon you NOOB!" and "Golem from a Simpson's Plot"
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What baffles me is that while the existence of an arms race between the USSR and the United States during the cold war is common knowledge a lot of people seem to think the 'race' is now over and that intelligence agencies such as the C.I.A don't continue their infamous work.
by "sort of" I assume you mean "not"
I know it might sound a lot but there are indications US military spent that ammout on a a few toilet seats and a hammer
If they won, we wouldn't really know, would we?
Psychotronic energy is just a spectrum of electromagnetism, a frequency at which the nervous system of living organisms operares at.
There is psychotronic frequency in the low Hz range, which is right below AM radio.
In the United States, only the NSA and maybe those with ties to them can operate in this band. And there is a whole weapons system, complete with patents, designed to intercept, interpret, and alter the mind, or psychotronic energy. They call this technology NSA Remote Neural Monitoring and Electronic Brain Link, ala a remote brain computer interface. Another popular term for it is synthetic telepathy.
The US government has been warrantlessly using this technology to spy on Americans, world leaders, and to communicate covertly with one another, and to attack and target people they want to set up and frame. They can, with this system, spy on people under cover of buildings, to see what the targets see, hear, think, feel, dream, and all memory and thought can be monitored. They can also use directed energy to remotely stimulate nerves, beaming sound, video, dreams, sensation, motor control commands, and more directly into the minds of targets.
This information is closely tied to the NSA Whistleblower Russell Tice revelations from 2006, where he claims to have targeted journalists, lawyers, senators, judges, generals, admirals, and more with warrantless surveillance at Signals Intelligence. He did this with space (high tech) capability and other methods (low tech, wiretaps, telephone/internet monitoring). He believes there is no system or signal not being monitored, and they are illegally gathering the content of communications, not just metadata.
Link to article, complete with videos of Russell Tice discussing this on Abby Martin, and MSNBC, and patents: http://www.oregonstatehospital.net/d/russelltice-nsarnmebl.html
More articles on psychotronic weapons: http://www.oregonstatehospital.net/d/story.html#links
My website, http://www.obamasweapon.com/ covers my story on how I was warrantlessly spied on, set up, and targeted with this technology during a major US Department of Justice investigation that started in 2006.
My story in this PDF on how I was tortured and set up: http://www.oregonstatehospital.net/d/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Reporter_on_Torture_complaint_9-9-2013-p1.pdf
Repeat on part of the article:
Is the NSA Conducting Electronic Warfare On Americans?
Jonas Holmes May 19, 2006 CHRONICLE ARTICLE
Russ Tice, former NSA intelligence officer and current Whistleblower, was to testify before the Senate Armed Services Committee this week. Apparently the testimony, Mr. Tice wanted to give, makes General Hayden’s phone surveillance program look like very small potatoes. Mr. Tice’s testimony is expected to reveal further illegal activity overseen by General Michael Hayden which even loyal and patriotic NSA employees view as unlawful. I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. IT’S PRETTY HARD TO BELIEVE, Tice said. I hope that they’ll clean up the abuses and have some oversight into these programs, which doesn’t exist right now. According to Mr. Tice, what has been disclosed so far is only the tip of the iceberg. What in the world could Russ Tice be talking about! To figure it out let us take a look at Russ Tice’s work at the NSA.
According to the Washington Times and numerous other sources, Mr. Tice worked on special access programs related to electronic intelligence gathering while working for the NSA and DIA, where he took part in space systems communications, non-communications signals, electronic warfare, satellite con
finally, you guys made it here.
Whatever happened to Elanor White (raven1)? Or Philip Taylor Kramer for that matter?
Cool story, bro. Do you know what the theoretical maximum bandwidth of a 50Hz signal is, and how it compares to the bandwidth required for even the simplest low-quality audio feed, let alone video?
wait but pink unicorns DO exist on the other side of the moon...
There are actually billions of evoked potentials in the brain and body, one for each neuron. It is theorized that the bandwidth might be about 32 to 64 bits per monitored neuron, per half second up to 4 seconds. It just depends on how fast the neuron turns on and off, and what data must be stored about it's signal and the range.
There's a guy who calculated it out to monitoring 10,000 neurons per person, and it would only take 1 gigabit per second to monitor 10,000 people that way. This is using a slightly different formula, as explained in the Physics of Synthetic Telepathy, Can a Satellite Read Your Thoughts artices on my website. I believe it actually uses 32 to 64 times that calculation, though.
When the signals of each neuron are pieced back together, whether from brain or organ nerves, video and audio and other information can be inferred.
What actually happened was that after WWII the Soviets got the MANUFACTURING engineers and the US got the DESIGN engineers, so the Soviets go up first but we more quickly developed better designs.
Here's a list of some satellites that might be involved or used to target people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_Launches
NROL-39 was just launched by the National Reconnaissance Office, and has been making rounds in the media because of the controversy of domestic surveillance right now, and their logo which is on the side of the satellite, featuring an octopus straddling planet earth and the text "nothing is beyond our reach". I'd like to add, there is no joke about that message and it is quite literal, as they can even physically tap and tamper with your brain and genitals remotely with these things. No joke.
Ancient Greeks had already calculated the Earth's radius. In medieval Europe, educated people knew the Earth was round.
Columbus did *not* face resistance because people thought the Earth was flat. He faced resistance because people correctly pointed that the Earth was about 40000km in circunference and that his ships could not reach Asia by traveling West. Columbus based his expedition on faulty calculations.
Columbus was lucky that America was in the way.
So it seems that consciousness and attention can have effects in the physical world
Of course it can, what do you think is controlling my arms as I scratch my arse? It has other names, spirit, soul, mind, etc. There's a reason scientists and philosophers alike call consciousness "The hard problem", it all boils down to the fact that you can never fully understand yourself. You are not separate from the rest of the universe, you and the universe are one (or as Sagan put it) "We are the part of the universe that observes itself", and by extension that implies we can never fully understand the universe. I don't know about anyone else but like Feynman "I'm ok with that, I'm not afraid of not knowing, I find it more interesting".
Having said that the world is full of scammers who use very clever magic tricks to separate the gullible from their wallets. The "clever" part is that they know enough about the human mind to be able to distract it from what's really happening. Of course there are others who truly believe they have special powers but they always turn out to be mistaken when put to the test.
To summarise: Wake me up when James Randi pays out on his million dollar challenge.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
This is the problem with skeptics. They assume, making an ass out of u and me.
The first space race was about satellites, and the US lost; the reason for the moon was partly because it was a sufficiently big project to make up for having lost the first round. The real technical driver on both sides was ICBMs, but a lot of ego got dragged along as well.
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Parapsychology proponents put forward their claims as reality.
Not all proponents...but just enough to give them most of them a bad name. Such people are "useful idiots". They give parapsychology a bad name with people who desperately want to believe such things are B.S. (a case of confirmation bias). This allows the real practitioners to do what they do, without drawing undue attention to themselves. An ideal state of affairs for them, really. And your skepticism lets them get away with it.
"Science" can't study parapsychology, because science believes that reality is something that's outside of us, and can be objectively observed and measured. Instead, the scientists are simply observing and measuring the aspects of subjective reality that we all agree upon. There's some value in that — no doubt, science has been a good thing for our species, and has produced all sorts of advancements — but it's not going to lead to the ultimate truths. Those exist within us. Science needs to realize that the right question to ask is "who is asking the question", and then it might get somewhere with parapsychology.
I have some hope that quantum physics will be the conduit for leading science out of its "objective reality" bias, but it's still too early to tell.
In the meantime, keep in mind that science has a terrible track record of claiming that something is impossible.
"Once we've identified and embraced our sickness, we'll have strength...and that's when we get dangerous." - John Waters
That reminds me of a South Park episode...25% of the population is retarded, and needs to believe in an all-powerful government.
"Once we've identified and embraced our sickness, we'll have strength...and that's when we get dangerous." - John Waters
Well, in all seriousness, 90% of the population is retarded, and all of society is being controlled and manipulated into being mindless consumerists who are incapable to defend themselves from the other 10%, ie those in power. Even slashdot'ers are in the 90% who apparently think serious shit like this is just a big joke...
Every Institute (business/politics/religion/globalization/capitalism) is masquerading itself into Ponzi/Pyramid scams.
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First of all a simple question with a difficult answer is the psychic real? Some parts look real, some look very unlikely, and some look just about impossible.
One of the first problems is in separating truth from the rubbish and noise, no subject in the world is more subject to bunk and charlatans.
However there are several ways of really testing the psychic and from what I've seen it passes most of them. Its just that the real thing looks so different from the fake that its hard to recognize. It is such a small and subtle interaction that it is very hard to observe or isolate or study outside the person.
There is another little problem, nothing that science can do is more hated by religion than the study of the psychic. A lot of old military scientific research into the psychic is suppressed because it is deeply anti-religious. If you understand the psychic then you can quantify God and reduce it to factors and equations and answers. Do this and the answer comes back that there is/was probably a 'God', but A its existence ends / ended at the beginning of the universe, B it is literally the energy of the Big Bang, C in our terms it is mindless, D it is utterly ruthless -very like evolution, E it looks nothing like the Christian or any other human God.
This 'God' is a force that seeks increasing order (in physics terms), physically it is a quantum 'energy field' with an FTL causality. It jumps backwards and forwards in time creating an evolutionary cycle that eventually creates our universe. The real problem for religious people comes when this is applied to the real world - ie do almost anything which depends on an FTL causality- and you are effectively playing with the creation and use of God as a machine.
Study and dissect FTL models of physics and it becomes clear that certain parts of the psychic are described pretty precisely. It is clear that (if it exists) the 'psychic' is very delicate and is very easily disrupted, and behaves exactly like a quantum state. (A quantum state and an FTL causality are basically identical.) This means that it is virtually impossible to properly scientifically observe psychic phenomena because it is virtually impossible to completely isolate observers from an experiment.
Ironically we all almost certainly observe psychic phenomena every day because they are deeply embedded in many aspects of brain operation, and for instance play a pretty dominant role in human psychology or in 'real time' operations like sight or speech or movement. The place where these psychic phenomena (or 'quantum element') would play the most important role is in brain development - and this is already close to being fully provable. A basic experiment requires a way of disrupting the quantum field during gestation which should disrupt an animals development. (designing a way of doing this isn't so simple though - a vacuum or faraday cage can disrupt a direct field but)
Below the speed of light Special Relativity is one of the most accurate theories in physics - above the speed of light..
Hey, what do you think of this?
http://www.deanradin.com/evidence/evidence.htm
Most of what I read there seems proper science.
I saved this a bit early and the editing is a real mess, sorry... : (
Below the speed of light Special Relativity is one of the most accurate theories in physics - above the speed of light..
... but materialism is seductive to certain people, so the religion lives on.
I heard a saying just yesterday: 'it's easier to fool people, than to convince them that they've been fooled'. This was supposedly said by Mark Twain...
Rupert Sheldrake has a nice Tedx talk - good enough to get banned from Ted's youtube channel by the materialists who run Ted.