What's the difference between the window manager and the environment? Where's the bounary drawn between theie responsibilities. Some things which are described as part of the "environment" are to me nothing more than applications. For example they claim to include file managers as part of the environment. Where I come from, a file manager is nothing more than a application. Why does it have to be so confusing?
Phil
(who runs TWM at home still, cos it does what he wants in the way that he wants)
Sorry. In a way similar to your article's parent, your article could have been an equally misguided retort to the original. I wish slashdot would indicate that there are missing articles in the thread.
I was wrong, ooops.
I keep seeing Hitler's revenges driving around town (erm, VW Beetles, for those not in the know).
So "not going away" doesn't mean anything.
If I thought Alphas were any good I'd have bought one. Oh, I did. And it was. And it still is.
For mathematical computing it is the easiest to program in efficient C of any architecture I know. My C code trounces hand-optimised assembly on an equal speed Athlon, despite the fact that my instruction latencies are, on paper, longer.
Total non-sequetor. Youve read so much between lines that it appears you didn't read the original lines. You are the one who comes over very poorly with your follow-up.
Can you please now inform of us the attenuation created by the diffraction? Can you also please inform us of the attenuation required for safe sun viewing with the human eye? Can you then inform us whether the viewing of the sun obliquely through many layers of different refrectivities will be a distorted mess?
Can you then retract your recommendation, and post a link to goatse.cx instead, as it's more useful.
I remember about 5 years ago a mate was telling be about one of his fellow student's university engineering projects (Helsinki University of Technology, IIRC). It was a cheap Linux based MP3 player for his car. The best bit was the Ethernet connection in his garage...
FatPhil
Every argument eventually reaches a 2nd world war reference...
Anyway, the method used by the Nazi's was far more insideous than what you describe. The first target was the intellectuals, and when the intellectuals were out the way it would be easier to bring about the disgustingly far-reaching situation that finally ensued. The first targets were the Communists and the gays, both of which were a significantly high proportion of the political intelligencia at the time. (Remember, that being a "Communist" as a contrast to the prevailing NSDAP politics of the time has _no_ relation to the corruption and hideous dictatorships of some of the Eastern European countries last century (Europe does geographically go as far east as Russia) so don't be scared by the word, please)
With the David Touretskys out of the way (I'm not saying he fits into any catagory other than intelligencia) (and the Chomskys, etc.), it would be far easier for laws to stamp on the rest of us.
All I know is that when (/if) I have given up faith in the law, I will maintain my faith in the power of the underground.
No, Mr spook, of course I won't take an active part, merely observing...
"
And even the castigated 2600 Hacker Quarterly has gotten around the no-linking decision by simply removing the HTML and carrying a text list of more than 200 URLs you can cut and paste into a browser to reach a site that does post DeCSS. The total delay bought with nine months of litigation: about two seconds.
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If they were to set up a FORM with a text entry field for a URL, and a submit button, which would then redirect you to a mirror site, would that be considered linking? Which is the "link", the "submit" button (which instanciates another http transaction) or the text entry field containing a site as a default value.
If that still counts as linking, would having the text entry field blank by default but filled in by JavaScript on another button get around the law.
Down from two seconds to about half, now that's optimisation...
Who's the American who sent some code over to a Norwegian guy last year?
Congratulations on not getting caught. Shame about the European though.
FatPhil
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DeCSS? That's a different story, but it's an issue
because you guys allowed the DMCA to become law.
You owe one big freaking apology to at least one Norwegian citizen for making statements like that.
You've far from destroyed his arguments. From my viewpoint, anyway, for I agree with you, but I agree with him too...
If anything you've reinforced his arguments. You've higlighted that the development cycle speed may be a cause for these kinds of oversights. You only seem to differ on the position of responsibility (are you a manger?). The review process could be done in at least two places; both in ideal world. By the developers, firstly, and then you are right, by the distributions. When I download an RPM from redhat, I want that to mean that there is an assurance that what they are distributing doesn't have any silly bugs in it (that includes accepting the first parameter to a variadic stream function from an external source without validating the string's contents). However, the original authors are fundamentally responsible for putting the naive code in there in the first place.
Now given the open source model, everyone can contribute to the source - you, me and Anonymous Coward. If there's something you wish to use, grab the source, and do some linting before you build it. If you find anything wierd, try to break it, if it breaks, try to fix it. Whatever you do, tell the development team too about it, if only so that when there's a later exploit you can point the finger and say "I told you so" smugly, if you're the kind of person who enjoys that kind of thing.
The stupid thing about all this is that all these problems can be statically detected by linting, and detected at runtime using special debugging versions of the library functions. (i.e. you can know how many parameters there are, and whether you are possibly passing a tainted string, and whether the number of parameters is correct, and whether the parameters being claimed to be pointers do point within heap space or stack space, and if they are in stack space whether they are actually part of a stack frame.) Has nobody ever heard of Purify, etc.?
Finally, Debian focusses on quality more than speed (and refuses to play infantile version-number games with the other disties), so your criticism should only be applied to Slackware, Mandrake, Redhat and SuSe, et al.
FatPhil
User of, in order over the last 4 years, Slackware (4.2 was OK, but I wanted more from my OS), Redhat (buggy, but still in use), SuSe (mind-blowingly fucked), Debian (only 10% sucky, easily the best Linux).
I don't wish to get religeous, but if C wasn't used for Systems Programming, we'd still be back in the 70s. C accelerated OS development so much. However, its power is also its weakness. You can place a bullet between your toes, for sure, but for goodness sake don't let the bullet's velocity and angle of approach be parameters from a client.
My gf is from the USA. I work in IT. Where did we move after she finished her PhD (in Cambridge, Silicon Fen, where there are more IT jobs than people)? Yup you guessed it, 2 time zones even further away from the USA*. She didn't even want to live there!
(Note - there are (at least) _2_ "United States" in America, the USA, and The United States Of Mexico. So "US" is still ambiguous.)
Cheers,
I did look on security focus before I posted my first comment, but it was such _old news_ that it was no longer on the front pages (it's in the archive).
Now they have a link to the ZDNet article, which seems a waste of time considering how watered down it is.
Last weekend I was in the biggest electronics "boutique" in town, erm, the country.
Side by side were 52" CRT for ~$6000 and a 52" plasma for $18000 (my conversion may be screwy, but the ratio was 1:3). Both running off (separate) DVDs.
The CRT looked superb, the plasma looked crap, from any distance.
So you're right, the "value" is certainly not real. (unless you're too short of space for the CRT, in which case buy a saller telly, fool!)
The primes don't actually need to be primes! Industrial strength pseudo-primes will do just as well.
http://www.utm.edu/research/primes/
has loads of info on primes and pseudo-primes.
I recommend "primeform" and its successor "pfgw" as a generator of strong pseudo-primes (SPRPs) as you can chose what form they have:
e.g. if I wawnted a 4000 bit key I could ask
For n=1 to 1000
For k=1 to 2^16-1 step 2
Is 2^4000 + 5614*n*n + k prime?
And just wait a few seconds.
You have pretty much absolute freedom over the expression you try, so you can even feed it a 1000bit random number and ask it top find the next SPRP after that number.
Primeform has its own forum on egroups:
http://www.egroups.com/group/primeform
Given that they weren't the first to discover the algorithm. The first discoverer was gagged by national security (that's GCHQ for you).
I still view it as mathematics, however, and thus not "a device" for anything.
Or...
Does this mean that "A" has finally found a NP-space P-time inverse, and the whole algorithm becomes no more than a toy!
As alread noted, they haven't indicated how this gets transmitted, but they also don't say where the figure of 400 hosts comes from.
It looks like they wanted to be the first to break the story and didn't care about what they had to leave out to gt there first.
Yup. However there's more to the site than the HTML. The images are ripped off. That's copyright infringement. How would linux.com like it if instead his HTML pointed to _their own_ images, not his own local ripped off copies?
It started years ago when the newest "feature" was interchangable covers.
In order to ensure the market was full of induhviduals with different colour phones a certain telecomms company gave away _3_ of their phones each with extra covers to all their employees, even subcontractors, last christmas (1998). That helped it become a "must have" feature for consumer phones.
However, the 5110 is a bulletproof phone, so I'm not going to criticise the technology, mine's lasted me since last christmas very well.
It is now well accepted that our particular encoding of base pairs in the nucleic acid chains is arbitrary. Whether the use of nucleic acids is necessary at all for reproductive organisms isn't known. Certainly some non-NA based molecules have been constructed which could be said to reproduce.
So don't be too DNA-centric.
Slashdot Mirror
What's the difference between the window manager and the environment? Where's the bounary drawn between theie responsibilities. Some things which are described as part of the "environment" are to me nothing more than applications. For example they claim to include file managers as part of the environment. Where I come from, a file manager is nothing more than a application. Why does it have to be so confusing?
Phil
(who runs TWM at home still, cos it does what he wants in the way that he wants)
Sorry. In a way similar to your article's parent, your article could have been an equally misguided retort to the original. I wish slashdot would indicate that there are missing articles in the thread.
I was wrong, ooops.
Phil
Phil
"Alpha is not going away."
I keep seeing Hitler's revenges driving around town (erm, VW Beetles, for those not in the know).
So "not going away" doesn't mean anything.
If I thought Alphas were any good I'd have bought one. Oh, I did. And it was. And it still is.
For mathematical computing it is the easiest to program in efficient C of any architecture I know. My C code trounces hand-optimised assembly on an equal speed Athlon, despite the fact that my instruction latencies are, on paper, longer.
FatPhil
Total non-sequetor. Youve read so much between lines that it appears you didn't read the original lines. You are the one who comes over very poorly with your follow-up.
FatPhil
Can you please now inform of us the attenuation created by the diffraction? Can you also please inform us of the attenuation required for safe sun viewing with the human eye? Can you then inform us whether the viewing of the sun obliquely through many layers of different refrectivities will be a distorted mess?
Can you then retract your recommendation, and post a link to goatse.cx instead, as it's more useful.
FatPhil
I remember about 5 years ago a mate was telling be about one of his fellow student's university engineering projects (Helsinki University of Technology, IIRC). It was a cheap Linux based MP3 player for his car. The best bit was the Ethernet connection in his garage...
FatPhil
Every argument eventually reaches a 2nd world war reference...
Anyway, the method used by the Nazi's was far more insideous than what you describe. The first target was the intellectuals, and when the intellectuals were out the way it would be easier to bring about the disgustingly far-reaching situation that finally ensued. The first targets were the Communists and the gays, both of which were a significantly high proportion of the political intelligencia at the time. (Remember, that being a "Communist" as a contrast to the prevailing NSDAP politics of the time has _no_ relation to the corruption and hideous dictatorships of some of the Eastern European countries last century (Europe does geographically go as far east as Russia) so don't be scared by the word, please)
With the David Touretskys out of the way (I'm not saying he fits into any catagory other than intelligencia) (and the Chomskys, etc.), it would be far easier for laws to stamp on the rest of us.
All I know is that when (/if) I have given up faith in the law, I will maintain my faith in the power of the underground.
No, Mr spook, of course I won't take an active part, merely observing...
FatPhil
(NOT)
"
And even the castigated 2600 Hacker Quarterly has gotten around the no-linking decision by simply removing the HTML and carrying a text list of more than 200 URLs you can cut and paste into a browser to reach a site that does post DeCSS. The total delay bought with nine months of litigation: about two seconds.
"
If they were to set up a FORM with a text entry field for a URL, and a submit button, which would then redirect you to a mirror site, would that be considered linking? Which is the "link", the "submit" button (which instanciates another http transaction) or the text entry field containing a site as a default value.
If that still counts as linking, would having the text entry field blank by default but filled in by JavaScript on another button get around the law.
Down from two seconds to about half, now that's optimisation...
FatPhil
Who's the American who sent some code over to a Norwegian guy last year?
Congratulations on not getting caught. Shame about the European though.
FatPhil
You owe one big freaking apology to at least one Norwegian citizen for making statements like that.
FatPhil
I honestly believe that they are making it up as they go along, and that their premises are fundamentally flawed.
-- Dr. KevorkianFatPhil
I don't need no real world. When I get hit by a truck as I cross a road at a pedestrian crossing, I'll die knowing that I was in the right. FatPhil
Two man carrying a huge mixing bowl, but what's that poking out of the front.
Mummy, I'm scared!
FatPhil
You've far from destroyed his arguments. From my viewpoint, anyway, for I agree with you, but I agree with him too...
If anything you've reinforced his arguments. You've higlighted that the development cycle speed may be a cause for these kinds of oversights. You only seem to differ on the position of responsibility (are you a manger?). The review process could be done in at least two places; both in ideal world. By the developers, firstly, and then you are right, by the distributions. When I download an RPM from redhat, I want that to mean that there is an assurance that what they are distributing doesn't have any silly bugs in it (that includes accepting the first parameter to a variadic stream function from an external source without validating the string's contents). However, the original authors are fundamentally responsible for putting the naive code in there in the first place.
Now given the open source model, everyone can contribute to the source - you, me and Anonymous Coward. If there's something you wish to use, grab the source, and do some linting before you build it. If you find anything wierd, try to break it, if it breaks, try to fix it. Whatever you do, tell the development team too about it, if only so that when there's a later exploit you can point the finger and say "I told you so" smugly, if you're the kind of person who enjoys that kind of thing.
The stupid thing about all this is that all these problems can be statically detected by linting, and detected at runtime using special debugging versions of the library functions. (i.e. you can know how many parameters there are, and whether you are possibly passing a tainted string, and whether the number of parameters is correct, and whether the parameters being claimed to be pointers do point within heap space or stack space, and if they are in stack space whether they are actually part of a stack frame.) Has nobody ever heard of Purify, etc.?
Finally, Debian focusses on quality more than speed (and refuses to play infantile version-number games with the other disties), so your criticism should only be applied to Slackware, Mandrake, Redhat and SuSe, et al.
FatPhil
User of, in order over the last 4 years, Slackware (4.2 was OK, but I wanted more from my OS), Redhat (buggy, but still in use), SuSe (mind-blowingly fucked), Debian (only 10% sucky, easily the best Linux).
I don't wish to get religeous, but if C wasn't used for Systems Programming, we'd still be back in the 70s. C accelerated OS development so much. However, its power is also its weakness. You can place a bullet between your toes, for sure, but for goodness sake don't let the bullet's velocity and angle of approach be parameters from a client.
FatPhil
(yup, it's "elided" = left out)
My gf is from the USA. I work in IT. Where did we move after she finished her PhD (in Cambridge, Silicon Fen, where there are more IT jobs than people)? Yup you guessed it, 2 time zones even further away from the USA*. She didn't even want to live there!
(Note - there are (at least) _2_ "United States" in America, the USA, and The United States Of Mexico. So "US" is still ambiguous.)
Phil
* To the land of Hakkinen and Torvalds, fyi.
Cheers,
I did look on security focus before I posted my first comment, but it was such _old news_ that it was no longer on the front pages (it's in the archive).
Now they have a link to the ZDNet article, which seems a waste of time considering how watered down it is.
Cheers again.
FatPhil
Last weekend I was in the biggest electronics "boutique" in town, erm, the country.
Side by side were 52" CRT for ~$6000 and a 52" plasma for $18000 (my conversion may be screwy, but the ratio was 1:3). Both running off (separate) DVDs.
The CRT looked superb, the plasma looked crap, from any distance.
So you're right, the "value" is certainly not real. (unless you're too short of space for the CRT, in which case buy a saller telly, fool!)
FatPhil
He's not permenantly in Finland anymore.
/Linus/ with a drawl yet?
I wonder if he pronounces
FatPhil
(who is)
The primes don't actually need to be primes! Industrial strength pseudo-primes will do just as well.
http://www.utm.edu/research/primes/
has loads of info on primes and pseudo-primes.
I recommend "primeform" and its successor "pfgw" as a generator of strong pseudo-primes (SPRPs) as you can chose what form they have:
e.g. if I wawnted a 4000 bit key I could ask
For n=1 to 1000
For k=1 to 2^16-1 step 2
Is 2^4000 + 5614*n*n + k prime?
And just wait a few seconds.
You have pretty much absolute freedom over the expression you try, so you can even feed it a 1000bit random number and ask it top find the next SPRP after that number.
Primeform has its own forum on egroups:
http://www.egroups.com/group/primeform
FatPhil
(a top 20 producer of titanic primes)
Given that they weren't the first to discover the algorithm. The first discoverer was gagged by national security (that's GCHQ for you).
I still view it as mathematics, however, and thus not "a device" for anything.
Or...
Does this mean that "A" has finally found a NP-space P-time inverse, and the whole algorithm becomes no more than a toy!
FatPhil
As alread noted, they haven't indicated how this gets transmitted, but they also don't say where the figure of 400 hosts comes from.
:-)
It looks like they wanted to be the first to break the story and didn't care about what they had to leave out to gt there first.
Bloody first posters!
FatPhil
Yup. However there's more to the site than the HTML. The images are ripped off. That's copyright infringement. How would linux.com like it if instead his HTML pointed to _their own_ images, not his own local ripped off copies?
"We'll ban people from linking to us!" I doubt.
It started years ago when the newest "feature" was interchangable covers.
In order to ensure the market was full of induhviduals with different colour phones a certain telecomms company gave away _3_ of their phones each with extra covers to all their employees, even subcontractors, last christmas (1998). That helped it become a "must have" feature for consumer phones.
However, the 5110 is a bulletproof phone, so I'm not going to criticise the technology, mine's lasted me since last christmas very well.
FatPhil
It is now well accepted that our particular encoding of base pairs in the nucleic acid chains is arbitrary. Whether the use of nucleic acids is necessary at all for reproductive organisms isn't known. Certainly some non-NA based molecules have been constructed which could be said to reproduce.
So don't be too DNA-centric.
FatPhil