>>Sun buys the rights to x86 drivers that they need from the company that apparently held them and that's "joins with scox to kill Linux"? Then sun tells us that only sun linux is legal. > Finally sun tells us that linux is java.
2003, shortly after sun joined msft in sponsoring the scox-scam. McNeally said something like: "of course we are very exicted to have the only legal version of linux on the market." You can research it yourself. Sun calls their version of linux "Java Desktop." Java? WTF? It's Linux.
Yes techies flip-flop on their opinion of Sun. But, that is because Sun flip-flops on Sun's strategies, and opinions, like mad.
Penguine suit McNeally *loves* linux. Then sun joins with scox to kill Linux. Then sun tells us that only sun linux is legal. Then sun tells that linux is great - but only as a desktop, not a server. Finally sun tells us that linux is java.
Sun's official opinions on msft, and on x86 technology, have been equally schitzo. One day sun curses msft as an evil company, with crap technology, the next day, sun is msft's biggest bestest buddy in the whole wide world. One day sun sneers at all things x86, the next day sun is releasing x86 solaris - then sun is cranking out x86 windows boxes.
So when sun stops flip-flopping on everything, maybe people will stop flip-flopping on their opinions about sun.
In the 1990s, Sun was awsome. Sun created amazing technologies, and set the standards. Now Sun just provides commodity products and services. If Sun wants to be another winbox maker, so what. Frankly, it suits Sun.
These days, Sun is more interested in cutting costs, than developing cutting-edge technology.
Whenever one of these discussions ensues, there is always a boat-load of these sorts of posts:
"*I* am doing well right *now*. Therefore, everything must be great for everybody, everywhere, unless they're incompetent. Also, everything will be great in the future as well."
Frankly, that sort of evidence is totally anecdotal, and the view is totally myopic.
Trying looking at the big picture. Look at the available evidnece, and use a little common sense:
- What costs $50/hour in the USA costs $5/hour elsewhere. Do the math.
- Employers are breaking their necks to outsource everything they possibly can.
- Whatever barriers that *presently* exist to offshoring, are being torn down, or manuvered around, fast.
- Most of the outsourcing does not make the news. I see 20 person departments being offshore outsourced all the time. And everytime, most people thought it could never happen to them.
IT salaries are down, jobs are going away. We have seen this happen in other industries. Pull your heads out of the sand and look towards the future. Sure there will be *some* jobs that can not be out-sourced. But, when you take a realistic look at the supply/demand equation, it's a grim outlook for practically all IT workers in the USA.
Is there such a thing as a "software engineer" who works in PHP or BASIC? I've never heard of such a thing. I guess, to be a software engineer, you can't work with a scripting language?
No offense, I'm asking because I don't know. I have seen a report where django, rails, and symfony were compared, and symfony came in dead last - by a substantial margin.
I don't have a lot of faith in benchmarks. I like to think I have an open mind.
I like Python better than PHP, but I think there may be compelling advantages to PHP when it comes to frameworks. Issues that concerns me with Python, and Python frameworks, include: hosting, deployment, configuration and administrative overhead.
I get the impression that Python framework developers just assume the user has complete control over the server. Those who develop Python frameworks seem to have little regard for the realities of shared hosting. System requirements tend to be sky-high: Apache 2.x, mod_python (latest version), fastcgi (at least), command line access, PostgreSQL (recommended). Assuming you can meet the system requirements, you still have server configuration issues such as setting up the Path, and maybe the.htaccess file.
For example, as I understand it, in Django: * The database model has to be manually synced to database from the command line, anytime any change is made to the database. * A configuration file has to be created for every application. * Urls have to be configured in the urls.py file to match the view. * The webserver has to be restarted every time modify your code - or touch every file if using fastcgi.
configuration. I don't think this amount of configuration is required by Rails, or the PHP frameworks. Am I wrong about that? And is it really an issue?
Is it just because it's something that you didn't want to hear?
Face reality folks: scox was not hurt - justice was not served.
Look at the facts: scox was never profitable, scox had very little money left, and scox was gushing red ink. Scox really was as good as dead before the scam. The scam did not hurt scox. Sorry but it's true. The execs and lawyers made a ton of loot. These are all easily verifiable facts.
The scam is 4.5 years old, and it's far from over.
Why do you think that msft arranged financing? For no reason? Are you aware of msft's history?
Scox was as good as dead before the scam. In fact, scox still has a higher market cap now than before the scam. Scox had never been profitable before the scam, they were losing money every quarter. Scox had no hope of turning that around. Since the scam, scox execs and lawyers have made a ton of money.
Msft's objective was to put a legal cloud over linux, and that was probably accomplished as well. Msft's other objective was to send this message to any company that might be thinking about contributing to Linux: "anybody who contributes to linux will be punished with a $100 million lawsuit, and five years in court."
Scox got away with outright lying to the SEC *many* times. Numerous public lies, extortion, mail fraud, barratry, vexatious abuse of the legal system, securities fraud, and more. Scam planned to go bankrupt all along, it's the only way the scam would make sense. As always, msft got away with the scam as well.
All this "lawsuit" amounts to nothing more than a msft PR stunt. This lawsuit is about 1% of msft's on-going fud campaign. Msft paid some scammer hillbillies from Utah to file bogus claims against ibm (not even a linux distributor) just to slime linux.
All of this "scox screwed themselves" cheerleading is laughable.
Debian network version is under 200mb. I don't have to download and install, and de-install, a lot of cruft that I don't want. Also, with debian, I don't have to download a new version every six months, or whatever. I just keep updating the system I have. Best package management in the business.
IceWM: does what I need, seems crisper, and snappier, than gnome or kde.
W2K: best OS msft ever developed, IMO. Very fast on a 900mhz system with 384mb of ram. Works with all of my hw/sw. No cartoon interface.
I used to do the same thing, and it worked with CompUSA, and BestBuy.
But, not TigerDirect. TigerDirect swore up and down that they would honor the gaureenty that they proudly display on their web-site, if I sent them all the receipts and photocopies of certificates via. certified mail.
So I spent another $3.50, stood in line at the post office, etc. When I called back, they acted like they had no idea what I was talking about. Unless I wanted to take them to court over $80, I had no recourse.
TigerDirect also require an insanely bothersome online process before you even mail in the receipts.
That was the one-and-only time I ever did business with TigerDirect.
Read rippoff-report about TigerDirect, I wish I had.
When I say "logical" I mean a system that logically flows from a few core ideas, as opposed to a system that is just a grab-bag of unrelated points-of-views?
For example the right want's freedom of expression unless it's porn, or burning the flag. The left wants freedom of expression unless it's hate speech. Libertarians want freedom of expression - period.
Consider the disconntected values of the right: religion in government, pro-active military, less tax burden for investors, strongly anti-drug, pro capital punishment, anti-abortion, anti strong gun control. These idea do not steem from any central belief system.
The same is true of the left: environmentalism, government assistance to poor, government assistance to minorities (regardless of income level), passivism, againt capital punishment, pro-abortion, pro gun control. These are just a grab-bag of unrealted values.
Libertarians beliefs tend to absolute, maybe too absolute. But it all fits together in a logically structured manner. Some of the core beliefs are "your rights end where mine begin" and "it is not the responsibility of the government to re-distribute wealth." The ideas do make some sense, and the entire value system ties together. Because of the this libertain ideas can be debated with logic and structure. Not just: I believe this, or I believe that.
Maybe the logical structure of the libertain system appeals to the the technically inclined.
As I understand it, gateway has no techology, or manufacturing. All gateway does is buy PCs and slap the "gateway" name on them. Furthermore, gateway hasn't been profitable since 2000. And the gateway name doesn't carry any special prestige. No special distribution channels that I know of.
So if you're already a computer seller, what does owning gateway do for you?
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I see job ads for "Java Ninjas" or "PHP Rock Stars" and the like. Consider common office expressions like: "I dodged a bullet on that one" or "I'm up to my ass in alligators" or "I've been putting out fires all day." People are said to "pirate" software. We "surf" the net.
We compensate for our lives being so pathetic and boring by using all kinds of action/adventure expressions.
I wish I could remember that dilbert quote. Something like: "This day memos will be writen, messages will be faxed, and files will be printed and saved for all eternity."
Isn't the whole point is to have the loudest boom-car on the block? Who need sound quality when all there is to "music" is: **THUD** **THUD** **THUD** **THUD** **THUD** **THUD**. That and maybe some moron chanting mosoginistic obsenities, racial slurs, and glamorizing drugs and violence.
Next thing somebody will write an article saying that music should have composition, harmonies, melodies, varity, and subbtle qualities. Or that vocalists should actually be able to sing - not just talk into a mic, or that "musicians" actually read and write music, or that musicians actually play a musical instrument. Or that lyrics should be more than "funk soul brotha" repeated a thousand times.
Come on folks, this is the 21st century. The point of a sound system is prove that you're a real man by being obnoxious, and irritating other people. And besides, the recording industry is a *business* it's all about your crib and your bling. Screw "sound quality."
For a statement to be libel, that statement has to be claimed to be a fact - it has to provable, or disprovable. For example, if I said that I knew for a verifiable fact that you were certifiably mentally ill - then you might have a case for liable against me (assuming you are not mentally ill).
But, if I say that you are a "crackpot" or a "doo-doo head" then that would not be actionable because such statements can not proven to be true, or untrue.
Furthermore, if something is stated as an opinion, or in jest, then that is not actionable either.
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>>Sun buys the rights to x86 drivers that they need from the company that apparently held them and that's "joins with scox to kill Linux"? Then sun tells us that only sun linux is legal.
> Finally sun tells us that linux is java.
2003, shortly after sun joined msft in sponsoring the scox-scam. McNeally said something like: "of course we are very exicted to have the only legal version of linux on the market." You can research it yourself. Sun calls their version of linux "Java Desktop." Java? WTF? It's Linux.
Yes techies flip-flop on their opinion of Sun. But, that is because Sun flip-flops on Sun's strategies, and opinions, like mad.
Penguine suit McNeally *loves* linux. Then sun joins with scox to kill Linux. Then sun tells us that only sun linux is legal. Then sun tells that linux is great - but only as a desktop, not a server. Finally sun tells us that linux is java.
Sun's official opinions on msft, and on x86 technology, have been equally schitzo. One day sun curses msft as an evil company, with crap technology, the next day, sun is msft's biggest bestest buddy in the whole wide world. One day sun sneers at all things x86, the next day sun is releasing x86 solaris - then sun is cranking out x86 windows boxes.
So when sun stops flip-flopping on everything, maybe people will stop flip-flopping on their opinions about sun.
In the 1990s, Sun was awsome. Sun created amazing technologies, and set the standards. Now Sun just provides commodity products and services. If Sun wants to be another winbox maker, so what. Frankly, it suits Sun.
These days, Sun is more interested in cutting costs, than developing cutting-edge technology.
Whenever one of these discussions ensues, there is always a boat-load of these sorts of posts:
"*I* am doing well right *now*. Therefore, everything must be great for everybody, everywhere, unless they're incompetent. Also, everything will be great in the future as well."
Frankly, that sort of evidence is totally anecdotal, and the view is totally myopic.
Trying looking at the big picture. Look at the available evidnece, and use a little common sense:
- What costs $50/hour in the USA costs $5/hour elsewhere. Do the math.
- Employers are breaking their necks to outsource everything they possibly can.
- Whatever barriers that *presently* exist to offshoring, are being torn down, or manuvered around, fast.
- Most of the outsourcing does not make the news. I see 20 person departments being offshore outsourced all the time. And everytime, most people thought it could never happen to them.
IT salaries are down, jobs are going away. We have seen this happen in other industries. Pull your heads out of the sand and look towards the future. Sure there will be *some* jobs that can not be out-sourced. But, when you take a realistic look at the supply/demand equation, it's a grim outlook for practically all IT workers in the USA.
Is there such a thing as a "software engineer" who works in PHP or BASIC? I've never heard of such a thing. I guess, to be a software engineer, you can't work with a scripting language?
I'm not sure about this particular issue, maybe Stallman is right.
But, usually, Torvalds is well spoken, and sensible. Whereas Stallman often seems to border on being a nut-case.
I have never actually even used Office-2007, but I've used every other version of office, for the last 15 years or so.
From everything I've seen, ms-office always beats OOo, in terms of features, and speed.
Does office-2007 really suck *that* bad?
OpenOffice runs on linux, and I don't have to put up with msft's filthy scamming.
BTW: I work for a very large company, and everybody in my dept uses staroffice.
At home, I use abiword and gnumeric.
Probably only one developer. I like structured, readable, maintainable code.
I am leaning towards python and a python framework, but I am not happy about the deployment and configuration issues associated with python.
Is there that big a difference between php and python? Is python worth the trouble?
As you may have guessed, I know some python, and some php, but I no expert in either.
No offense, I'm asking because I don't know. I have seen a report where django, rails, and symfony were compared, and symfony came in dead last - by a substantial margin.
I don't have a lot of faith in benchmarks. I like to think I have an open mind.
I like Python better than PHP, but I think there may be compelling
.htaccess file.
advantages to PHP when it comes to frameworks. Issues that concerns me
with Python, and Python frameworks, include: hosting, deployment,
configuration and administrative overhead.
I get the impression that Python framework developers just assume the
user has complete control over the server. Those who develop Python
frameworks seem to have little regard for the realities of shared
hosting. System requirements tend to be sky-high: Apache 2.x,
mod_python (latest version), fastcgi (at least), command line access,
PostgreSQL (recommended). Assuming you can meet the system
requirements, you still have server configuration issues such as
setting up the Path, and maybe the
For example, as I understand it, in Django:
* The database model has to be manually synced to database from the
command line, anytime any change is made to the database.
* A configuration file has to be created for every application.
* Urls have to be configured in the urls.py file to match the view.
* The webserver has to be restarted every time modify your code - or
touch every file if using fastcgi.
configuration. I don't think this amount of configuration is required
by Rails, or the PHP frameworks. Am I wrong about that? And is it
really an issue?
Is it just because it's something that you didn't want to hear?
Face reality folks: scox was not hurt - justice was not served.
Look at the facts: scox was never profitable, scox had very little money left, and scox was gushing red ink. Scox really was as good as dead before the scam. The scam did not hurt scox. Sorry but it's true. The execs and lawyers made a ton of loot. These are all easily verifiable facts.
The scam is 4.5 years old, and it's far from over.
Why do you think that msft arranged financing? For no reason? Are you aware of msft's history?
Scox was as good as dead before the scam. In fact, scox still has a higher market cap now than before the scam. Scox had never been profitable before the scam, they were losing money every quarter. Scox had no hope of turning that around. Since the scam, scox execs and lawyers have made a ton of money.
Msft's objective was to put a legal cloud over linux, and that was probably accomplished as well. Msft's other objective was to send this message to any company that might be thinking about contributing to Linux: "anybody who contributes to linux will be punished with a $100 million lawsuit, and five years in court."
Scox got away with outright lying to the SEC *many* times. Numerous public lies, extortion, mail fraud, barratry, vexatious abuse of the legal system, securities fraud, and more. Scam planned to go bankrupt all along, it's the only way the scam would make sense. As always, msft got away with the scam as well.
All this "lawsuit" amounts to nothing more than a msft PR stunt. This lawsuit is about 1% of msft's on-going fud campaign. Msft paid some scammer hillbillies from Utah to file bogus claims against ibm (not even a linux distributor) just to slime linux.
All of this "scox screwed themselves" cheerleading is laughable.
Sorry.
Debian network version is under 200mb. I don't have to download and install, and de-install, a lot of cruft that I don't want. Also, with debian, I don't have to download a new version every six months, or whatever. I just keep updating the system I have. Best package management in the business.
IceWM: does what I need, seems crisper, and snappier, than gnome or kde.
W2K: best OS msft ever developed, IMO. Very fast on a 900mhz system with 384mb of ram. Works with all of my hw/sw. No cartoon interface.
> It doesn't help too that many Americans view things like health care as their God-given right.
I think you have it backwards, America is about the last nation on earth that doesn't have universal health care.
> Many people don't want to even pay for their own health care.
Nobody wants to pay for their own anything.
> They foist those costs onto their employers
Unless you work for the military, or something, you pay for most of your own healthcare. Employers do not pay a large % of most people's healthcare.
I used to do the same thing, and it worked with CompUSA, and BestBuy.
But, not TigerDirect. TigerDirect swore up and down that they would honor the gaureenty that they proudly display on their web-site, if I sent them all the receipts and photocopies of certificates via. certified mail.
So I spent another $3.50, stood in line at the post office, etc. When I called back, they acted like they had no idea what I was talking about. Unless I wanted to take them to court over $80, I had no recourse.
TigerDirect also require an insanely bothersome online process before you even mail in the receipts.
That was the one-and-only time I ever did business with TigerDirect.
Read rippoff-report about TigerDirect, I wish I had.
When I say "logical" I mean a system that logically flows from a few core ideas, as opposed to a system that is just a grab-bag of unrelated points-of-views?
For example the right want's freedom of expression unless it's porn, or burning the flag. The left wants freedom of expression unless it's hate speech. Libertarians want freedom of expression - period.
Consider the disconntected values of the right: religion in government, pro-active military, less tax burden for investors, strongly anti-drug, pro capital punishment, anti-abortion, anti strong gun control. These idea do not steem from any central belief system.
The same is true of the left: environmentalism, government assistance to poor, government assistance to minorities (regardless of income level), passivism, againt capital punishment, pro-abortion, pro gun control. These are just a grab-bag of unrealted values.
Libertarians beliefs tend to absolute, maybe too absolute. But it all fits together in a logically structured manner. Some of the core beliefs are "your rights end where mine begin" and "it is not the responsibility of the government to re-distribute wealth." The ideas do make some sense, and the entire value system ties together. Because of the this libertain ideas can be debated with logic and structure. Not just: I believe this, or I believe that.
Maybe the logical structure of the libertain system appeals to the the technically inclined.
Are any standards specified? Or does the DoJ just shrug and say: "Idunno, I guess everythings all right." ?
It's not arrogance, if it's accurate. The worst that could happen to msft is that they have to pay a fine, or pay a settlement.
Since msft has $30 Billion in the bank, what do they care?
How many have there been?
http://www.noooxml.org/petition
As I understand it, gateway has no techology, or manufacturing. All gateway does is buy PCs and slap the "gateway" name on them. Furthermore, gateway hasn't been profitable since 2000. And the gateway name doesn't carry any special prestige. No special distribution channels that I know of.
So if you're already a computer seller, what does owning gateway do for you?
I see job ads for "Java Ninjas" or "PHP Rock Stars" and the like. Consider common office expressions like: "I dodged a bullet on that one" or "I'm up to my ass in alligators" or "I've been putting out fires all day." People are said to "pirate" software. We "surf" the net.
We compensate for our lives being so pathetic and boring by using all kinds of action/adventure expressions.
I wish I could remember that dilbert quote. Something like: "This day memos will be writen, messages will be faxed, and files will be printed and saved for all eternity."
Isn't the whole point is to have the loudest boom-car on the block? Who need sound quality when all there is to "music" is: **THUD** **THUD** **THUD** **THUD** **THUD** **THUD**. That and maybe some moron chanting mosoginistic obsenities, racial slurs, and glamorizing drugs and violence.
Next thing somebody will write an article saying that music should have composition, harmonies, melodies, varity, and subbtle qualities. Or that vocalists should actually be able to sing - not just talk into a mic, or that "musicians" actually read and write music, or that musicians actually play a musical instrument. Or that lyrics should be more than "funk soul brotha" repeated a thousand times.
Come on folks, this is the 21st century. The point of a sound system is prove that you're a real man by being obnoxious, and irritating other people. And besides, the recording industry is a *business* it's all about your crib and your bling. Screw "sound quality."
For a statement to be libel, that statement has to be claimed to be a fact - it has to provable, or disprovable. For example, if I said that I knew for a verifiable fact that you were certifiably mentally ill - then you might have a case for liable against me (assuming you are not mentally ill).
But, if I say that you are a "crackpot" or a "doo-doo head" then that would not be actionable because such statements can not proven to be true, or untrue.
Furthermore, if something is stated as an opinion, or in jest, then that is not actionable either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel