Even if that would work, do you think msft wants to give their patents away? Not long ago, a patent troll that owned a tiny part, of a part, of a process sued msft for $1.5B. Msft would be taking one helluva chance giving their patents away.
If msft had some sort of contract with the patent troll, then it could be argued the the the patent troll doesn't really own the patent.
Here is the titel: "Open Standards Initiative Fails in Massachusetts."
Mass wanted to go all open standards for storing their important docs. That way, Mass could be sure they would be able to open those documents decades from now.
That initiative failed. Mass is now not going all open standards for their important documents.
Frankly, I don't Mass will ODF at all. But certainly, Mass will not be all open standards.
I think Bill Gates has openly stately that he considers controlling the standards to be msft's most important goal.
If windows could not be pirated, then China would either stick with old versions of windows, or use Linux, or something. In any case, that could catastrophic for msft.
"POSIX does not imply UNIX! It is an attempt to generalize the traditional UNIX API to match a variety of operating system designs. So, while POSIX implies a hierarchical file system, you might well be able to manage a reasonably conformant implementation on a system with no real top-level hierarchy."
Scox has publically proclaimed *many* times that scox *owns* the UNIX operating system. In an article published by BYTE, titled: "SCO Owns Your Computer" scox hinted that scox owned MacOS. Now, I guess there can be no doubt.
Scox sent letter to 1500 USA business, demanding $699 for for every CPU that is running Linux - because Linux is derived from UNIX, which scox claims to *own* and Linux distributers never paid scox for the right to distribute the OS - except for Sunw.
So now, I suppose, scox will demand the same amount from all MacOS users.
The msft shills here want everybody to think this is about OpenOffice vs MS-Office. It isn't. ODF runs of several WPs, including MS-Office.
What this is about is msft protecting their monolopy by forcing msft's own proprietary standard on the world.
Whatever you think about ODF, please understand that the many (most?) of the posts in this discussion are designed to make you think this is an OO vs. ms-office comparison - it isn't.
Remember? LANs and internet connectivity were were almost unheard of back in WordStar's day. Your PC was basically a fancy typewriter and calculator, it was truely a "personal" computer.
Now, practically every computer on earth is connected, at least, though email. Proprietary standards make no sense today. In fact, proprietary standards made no sense 10 years ago.
I think everybody in the USA should be a lawyer. That is probably the surest career path left in the USA.
IT is being decimated with ubber-cheap offshore labor. Engineering, accounting, and other fields could also be killed by offshore labor. Healthcare could be socialized, or regulated until it totally sucks. What can't be offshored can be killed by H1Bs, or illegal immigrants.
But, not law. Ever hear about massive layoffs of lawyers? Any lawyer, who is not completely incompetent, can probably count on a six-figure income, once he/she has a few years of experience. Lots of lawyers in the USA are millionaires. Aside from money, lawyers have all the power: Judges are lawyers, so are politicians, and so are lawyers. We live in a virtual "lawyerachracy."
There is no way lawyers could have their jobs offshored - it requires too much local knowledge (i.e. what this judge will put up with, what that judge doesn't like). And there is no way there can be too many lawyers, because lawyers cause the very problems that lawyers are paid to solve.
IMO: if you don't want to be a lawyer, be a professional litigant. In the future, everybody in the USA will "earn" their living by suing on another.
Msft shills seem to think so. All this: "the kids have to learn what they'll use in the real world!!" crap.
Want to guess how much time it took me to learn a WP? None. I just figure it out as I go. I suppose there are some specialist who make extensive use of the advanced features of their WP, but is that why kids go to school?
For what most people word processors for, how long does it take to go from OO to MS, or vice-versa? It didn't take me any time at all.
I think weird Al has a degree in architecture from Cal-Poly. Also, didn't the lead guitarist from Boston have an engineering degree from MIT? I vaguely remember something about Gary Shandling having an engineering degree.
After decades of EEE, and millions of dollars spent on numerous mis-information campaigns, and lying to the US-DoJ, and lying to the EU, bogus lawsuits, bogus patens, tax fraud, etc. I think a bit of skepticism with regard to msft, is warranted.
Want objectivity? Okay, since you asked. Please refer to the many links in this post.
Also, if anything is a "troll" it's the original article. Drawing Conclusions about OS sales based on browser stats is idiotic - if not dishonest. And the methodology used is even more idiotic - or more dishonest.
Please note: this IDC data is for product shipments, the article is about browser stats. Which would you trust more?
According the IDC report (Wednesday, July 18, 2007): "Apple's U.S. Mac market share rises to 5.6 percent in Q2 U.S. shipments of Apple's Mac computer line grew 26 percent during the second quarter of 2007, according to just released data from market research firm IDC."
Maybe I'm biased, but the IDC report seems a little more objective, to me. Saying that apple market share is flat because internet usuage statistics seems like an odd way to count.
BTW: I don't know why so many posters are saying that msft tried to do this in 1998, or whatever. Msft has never had anything like this. Pyro would not make FF and integrated part of the desktop. And msft is always 100% proprietary. With msft it's all about vendor-lock-in, Pyro would do just the opposite.
I can see a lot of advantages to browser-based apps. The apps can run on any platform. The apps can be server or client based. The apps can run locally, or a local intranet server, or a remote internet server.
But . . . but . . . I thought msft was saying that Vista sales were through the roof? Remember, just a few months ago, msft was saying that Vista was selling twice as much as XP sold when XP was first released?
Remember that scene from "The Fugive" ?
U.S. Marshal Erin Poole: Care to revise your statement, sir? Prison Guard: What? U.S. Marshal Samuel Gerard: Do you want to change your bullshit story!
2) The "community" does zero to assist with transition or education, instead preferring to focus on childishly deriding them as "evil" if they step so much as an inch out of line with Stallmanite philosophy.
How is the community supposed to know when somebody is switching? Is there some device that sets off an alarm when somebody switches to, or from, F/OSS software? If the company needs help from the community, all the company has to do is ask. Besides, who's calling the company "evil?"
3) Said companies do not have sufficient knowledge about Linux to be able to complete the changeover.
First this isn't about "Linux." Secondly, shouldn't the company, in one way or another, get that knowledge? Is it the community's responsibility to educate everybody - in advance - about every possible detail regarding hardware compatibility etc? How is the community supposed to know what the company is doing, or what the company needs, if the company does not ask?
4) Meanwhile, Microsoft are standing in the background, asking said companies why they're bothering to put themselves through this much pain and suffering in the first place. The "community" continues to distance itself from said companies, supporting Microsoft's portrayal of them as nothing more than a gang of fanatical, anarcho-communist malcontents who simply demand that everyone get with the new religion without lifting a finger to actually make it happen on a practical basis.
WTF? Look, if you decide to use a certain OS, or certain software app - whether F/OSS of proprietary - it's up to you to figure out if it will work for you, and how you will implement it, and it's up to you to learn how to use it. There is tons of documentation out there. The community is there to help if you ask. The F/OSS community can not magically sense what you need to know. And how does the F/OSS community "distance" themselves?
On any given day: I delete spam, throw away junk mail, flip past commercial, hang up on telemarketers, block what pop-up ads I can, ignore the rest, ignore all other ad links, ignore countless signs, and so on. It doesn't really bother me, just part of modern life.
Frankly, I don't see how advertising can be effective when we're so inundated with it constantly.
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If so, then this "report" is 100% meaningless.
Also, if they don't clearly state whether or they are counting parked then this report is 100% meainingless.
Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that Apache is better, or that IIS could not be gaining.
I'm just saying that unless we know, for sure, whether parked domains are being counted, then this report is not meaningful.
GPLv3 is a defense against msft's under-handed tactics. Msft has always been the antagonist - not just against Linux but the entire industry.
Even if that would work, do you think msft wants to give their patents away? Not long ago, a patent troll that owned a tiny part, of a part, of a process sued msft for $1.5B. Msft would be taking one helluva chance giving their patents away.
If msft had some sort of contract with the patent troll, then it could be argued the the the patent troll doesn't really own the patent.
Quinn did not deserve the shameful treatment he was dealt from a corrupt government. All just to make Bill Gates that much richer.
It makes me ashamed to be an American.
Here is the titel: "Open Standards Initiative Fails in Massachusetts."
Mass wanted to go all open standards for storing their important docs. That way, Mass could be sure they would be able to open those documents decades from now.
That initiative failed. Mass is now not going all open standards for their important documents.
Frankly, I don't Mass will ODF at all. But certainly, Mass will not be all open standards.
I think Bill Gates has openly stately that he considers controlling the standards to be msft's most important goal.
If windows could not be pirated, then China would either stick with old versions of windows, or use Linux, or something. In any case, that could catastrophic for msft.
I think google uses standard file formats. Formats like .doc and .xls. Formats that be read by other applications.
Last time I tried was about ten years ago. As I remember, I could not read works files with ms-office either.
"POSIX does not imply UNIX! It is an attempt to generalize the traditional UNIX API to match a variety of operating system designs. So, while POSIX implies a hierarchical file system, you might well be able to manage a reasonably conformant implementation on a system with no real top-level hierarchy."
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http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/p
Scox has publically proclaimed *many* times that scox *owns* the UNIX operating system. In an article published by BYTE, titled: "SCO Owns Your Computer" scox hinted that scox owned MacOS. Now, I guess there can be no doubt.
Scox sent letter to 1500 USA business, demanding $699 for for every CPU that is running Linux - because Linux is derived from UNIX, which scox claims to *own* and Linux distributers never paid scox for the right to distribute the OS - except for Sunw.
So now, I suppose, scox will demand the same amount from all MacOS users.
BTW: scox also claims to own C++.
Msft's stacking the deck strategy is working like a charm. Was there every any doubt?
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http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/2007/07/31/diz-
The msft shills here want everybody to think this is about OpenOffice vs MS-Office. It isn't. ODF runs of several WPs, including MS-Office.
What this is about is msft protecting their monolopy by forcing msft's own proprietary standard on the world.
Whatever you think about ODF, please understand that the many (most?) of the posts in this discussion are designed to make you think this is an OO vs. ms-office comparison - it isn't.
Remember? LANs and internet connectivity were were almost unheard of back in WordStar's day. Your PC was basically a fancy typewriter and calculator, it was truely a "personal" computer.
Now, practically every computer on earth is connected, at least, though email. Proprietary standards make no sense today. In fact, proprietary standards made no sense 10 years ago.
You just need a plugin.
The msft shills keep trying to make people think that ODF == OpenOffice. But nothing could be further from the truth.
ODF works with several WPs, including MS-Office. Since ODF is truely open, and WP can use it. This is very different than OOXML is msft only.
I think everybody in the USA should be a lawyer. That is probably the surest career path left in the USA.
IT is being decimated with ubber-cheap offshore labor. Engineering, accounting, and other fields could also be killed by offshore labor. Healthcare could be socialized, or regulated until it totally sucks. What can't be offshored can be killed by H1Bs, or illegal immigrants.
But, not law. Ever hear about massive layoffs of lawyers? Any lawyer, who is not completely incompetent, can probably count on a six-figure income, once he/she has a few years of experience. Lots of lawyers in the USA are millionaires. Aside from money, lawyers have all the power: Judges are lawyers, so are politicians, and so are lawyers. We live in a virtual "lawyerachracy."
There is no way lawyers could have their jobs offshored - it requires too much local knowledge (i.e. what this judge will put up with, what that judge doesn't like). And there is no way there can be too many lawyers, because lawyers cause the very problems that lawyers are paid to solve.
IMO: if you don't want to be a lawyer, be a professional litigant. In the future, everybody in the USA will "earn" their living by suing on another.
Msft shills seem to think so. All this: "the kids have to learn what they'll use in the real world!!" crap.
Want to guess how much time it took me to learn a WP? None. I just figure it out as I go. I suppose there are some specialist who make extensive use of the advanced features of their WP, but is that why kids go to school?
For what most people word processors for, how long does it take to go from OO to MS, or vice-versa? It didn't take me any time at all.
I think weird Al has a degree in architecture from Cal-Poly. Also, didn't the lead guitarist from Boston have an engineering degree from MIT? I vaguely remember something about Gary Shandling having an engineering degree.
Anybody know of others?
After decades of EEE, and millions of dollars spent on numerous mis-information campaigns, and lying to the US-DoJ, and lying to the EU, bogus lawsuits, bogus patens, tax fraud, etc. I think a bit of skepticism with regard to msft, is warranted.
Want objectivity? Okay, since you asked. Please refer to the many links in this post.
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Also, if anything is a "troll" it's the original article. Drawing Conclusions about OS sales based on browser stats is idiotic - if not dishonest. And the methodology used is even more idiotic - or more dishonest.
Please note: this IDC data is for product shipments, the article is about browser stats. Which would you trust more?
The charts for the IDC data can be found here:
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comm
More links for the IDC report.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2160333,00.a
Or since you have $4500 in spare change, go buy the real thing: http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=207308
Or maybe this article is a well timed bit of smoke screen, designed to try to hide: "Microsoft Xbox 360 Sales Plunge 60% As Problems Mount"
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.j
According the IDC report (Wednesday, July 18, 2007):
"Apple's U.S. Mac market share rises to 5.6 percent in Q2
U.S. shipments of Apple's Mac computer line grew 26 percent during the second quarter of 2007, according to just released data from market research firm IDC."
Maybe I'm biased, but the IDC report seems a little more objective, to me. Saying that apple market share is flat because internet usuage statistics seems like an odd way to count.
http://gears.google.com/
BTW: I don't know why so many posters are saying that msft tried to do this in 1998, or whatever. Msft has never had anything like this. Pyro would not make FF and integrated part of the desktop. And msft is always 100% proprietary. With msft it's all about vendor-lock-in, Pyro would do just the opposite.
I can see a lot of advantages to browser-based apps. The apps can run on any platform. The apps can be server or client based. The apps can run locally, or a local intranet server, or a remote internet server.
But . . . but . . . I thought msft was saying that Vista sales were through the roof? Remember, just a few months ago, msft was saying that Vista was selling twice as much as XP sold when XP was first released?
Remember that scene from "The Fugive" ?
U.S. Marshal Erin Poole: Care to revise your statement, sir?
Prison Guard: What?
U.S. Marshal Samuel Gerard: Do you want to change your bullshit story!
It doesn't matter who's at fault. If I need to use a certain piece of hardware, and linux won't support it, then linux doesn't word for me - period.
2) The "community" does zero to assist with transition or education, instead preferring to focus on childishly deriding them as "evil" if they step so much as an inch out of line with Stallmanite philosophy.
How is the community supposed to know when somebody is switching? Is there some device that sets off an alarm when somebody switches to, or from, F/OSS software? If the company needs help from the community, all the company has to do is ask. Besides, who's calling the company "evil?"
3) Said companies do not have sufficient knowledge about Linux to be able to complete the changeover.
First this isn't about "Linux." Secondly, shouldn't the company, in one way or another, get that knowledge? Is it the community's responsibility to educate everybody - in advance - about every possible detail regarding hardware compatibility etc? How is the community supposed to know what the company is doing, or what the company needs, if the company does not ask?
4) Meanwhile, Microsoft are standing in the background, asking said companies why they're bothering to put themselves through this much pain and suffering in the first place. The "community" continues to distance itself from said companies, supporting Microsoft's portrayal of them as nothing more than a gang of fanatical, anarcho-communist malcontents who simply demand that everyone get with the new religion without lifting a finger to actually make it happen on a practical basis.
WTF? Look, if you decide to use a certain OS, or certain software app - whether F/OSS of proprietary - it's up to you to figure out if it will work for you, and how you will implement it, and it's up to you to learn how to use it. There is tons of documentation out there. The community is there to help if you ask. The F/OSS community can not magically sense what you need to know. And how does the F/OSS community "distance" themselves?
On any given day: I delete spam, throw away junk mail, flip past commercial, hang up on telemarketers, block what pop-up ads I can, ignore the rest, ignore all other ad links, ignore countless signs, and so on. It doesn't really bother me, just part of modern life.
Frankly, I don't see how advertising can be effective when we're so inundated with it constantly.