Yeah, and if you buy a sandwich at the local deli and can only finish half, you had better throw away the other half, instead of giving it to a homeless guy. After all, giving it away is stealing. It's rather like college students in dorms or off-campus housing quietly setting up home networks off one cable line, instead of doing the honest thing and letting the ISP know what they're up to.
I'll be you'll almost never see one of the piraters actually go out and buy a six-foot sub to share. Why spend that kind of money, when one can simply abuse a sandwich and Fight The Man?
Freenet uses encryption, but an ISP can still look at it and say, "Hey, there's freenet!"... going through SSL would additionally obscure the fact that it's Freenet.
Next time read the story instead of rushing to get first post. I'd explain why their claim is ridiculous, but there's already a +5 post which makes it clear.
Internet service providers can always pull the plug?treating Freenet, in essence, as an unsupported feature, in the way that many providers today do not support telnet, Usenet and other less popular services.
...at which point Freenet will start tunneling through http, pop3, ftp, ssh, and any other common protocol. If ISPs start peeking at specific packets, Freenet will start using SSL.
And like i mentioned in an earlier comment, why would ISPs do this? MP3s and porn are far and away the most popular uses for the Internet today, according to a study i just made up. It would be like making cars that don't go over 55 or "tobacco water pipes" that only work with tobacco.
The result, in Ballon's view, is easy to foresee: "At a certain point, the studios and labels and publishers will send over lists of things to block to America Online, and 40 percent of the country's Net users will no longer be able to participate in Gnutella. Do the same thing for EarthLink and MSN, and you're drastically shrinking the pool of available users."
While people will put up with crappy service and high bills, if you take away their MP3s and porn, they will take their business elsewhere. If AOL and MSN started blocking MP3 trading, and Earthlink ran another round of "We don't spy on you or control you" commercials, they'd grab huge chunks of their competitors' former customers.
Indeed, the governments of China and Saudi Arabia have successfully pursued a similar strategy for political ends.
That's because it's harder to leave your country than it is to switch ISPs. Well, maybe only slightly harder.:)
Let's not forget the gorgeous simplicity. Remember Dejanews at its worst? The page took a full minute to load. IMDB is still like that. Even Slashdot has pretty heavy HTML.
Meanwhile Google's pages are no more cluttered than absolutely necessary -- even the source is plain and simple.
Yahoo sorta follows this philosophy, but not strongly enough.
"I honestly believe I have enough positive energy ? this is totally an Aquarius-type deal ? if I record these things thinking very positively, I kind of believe metaphysically it cheers people up. They'll get a positive hit," Reynolds says.
I think Ms. Reynolds has taken a few too many positive hits herself.
I see it like this: with the help of the merger, AOL now realizes it is becoming a monopoly in its own right, so they don't need to advertise anymore, so they don't need a marketing department, so they're laying all those guys off. Makes sense to me.
Saladin for his part answered this by taking a gossamer silk scarf and draping it over the edge of his blade, whereupon it fell to the floor neatly sliced in two.
You know, i sat here scratching my head for ten minutes before i realized that "it" was not referring to the sword.
Sure, the story sounds appaling -- notably the way Mama D. exploits her workers. But do you really think any other business is different? You like having a car, right? Hundreds if not thousands of Mama D.'s went into the production of it. They're called entrepreneurs, and we'd all be living in the dirt without them.
The workers are thrilled to make $80 a day -- it's 400 times what they'd make otherwise. They're overjoyed to trade some muck they dug up for whores and antibiotics and beer and cash. Nobody's forcing them to do it -- they can always go back to whatever they used to do. Without someone "exploiting" them, they'd be bored and poor.
If you're really concerned about this kind of thing, how about asking the guy who cleans the the toilets at work how much he gets paid to do it. Or the people who pick the oranges so you can have a morning glass of OJ. Or just about anything else you enjoy.
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According to the web page that your parent post linked to, they hold 55 MB.
Roof, door, frosted glass.
And take out the horizontal slab, to be replaced with a mahogany desk.
I wasn't trolling.
What's a SLA?
first post!
Yeah, but in another part of the universe, the number on your post might be something else.
The topic of this thread is what is ethicial, not what is legal.
Yeah, and if you buy a sandwich at the local deli and can only finish half, you had better throw away the other half, instead of giving it to a homeless guy. After all, giving it away is stealing. It's rather like college students in dorms or off-campus housing quietly setting up home networks off one cable line, instead of doing the honest thing and letting the ISP know what they're up to.
I'll be you'll almost never see one of the piraters actually go out and buy a six-foot sub to share. Why spend that kind of money, when one can simply abuse a sandwich and Fight The Man?
Freenet uses encryption, but an ISP can still look at it and say, "Hey, there's freenet!" ... going through SSL would additionally obscure the fact that it's Freenet.
Woohoo! did I get first post??
Next time read the story instead of rushing to get first post. I'd explain why their claim is ridiculous, but there's already a +5 post which makes it clear.
Berkeley's a good school, you must be a smart kid. So why are you spreading apocryphal stories?
Internet service providers can always pull the plug?treating Freenet, in essence, as an unsupported feature, in the way that many providers today do not support telnet, Usenet and other less popular services.
...at which point Freenet will start tunneling through http, pop3, ftp, ssh, and any other common protocol. If ISPs start peeking at specific packets, Freenet will start using SSL.
And like i mentioned in an earlier comment, why would ISPs do this? MP3s and porn are far and away the most popular uses for the Internet today, according to a study i just made up. It would be like making cars that don't go over 55 or "tobacco water pipes" that only work with tobacco.
The result, in Ballon's view, is easy to foresee: "At a certain point, the studios and labels and publishers will send over lists of things to block to America Online, and 40 percent of the country's Net users will no longer be able to participate in Gnutella. Do the same thing for EarthLink and MSN, and you're drastically shrinking the pool of available users."
:)
While people will put up with crappy service and high bills, if you take away their MP3s and porn, they will take their business elsewhere. If AOL and MSN started blocking MP3 trading, and Earthlink ran another round of "We don't spy on you or control you" commercials, they'd grab huge chunks of their competitors' former customers.
Indeed, the governments of China and Saudi Arabia have successfully pursued a similar strategy for political ends.
That's because it's harder to leave your country than it is to switch ISPs. Well, maybe only slightly harder.
It's kinda like, "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." :)
Let's not forget the gorgeous simplicity. Remember Dejanews at its worst? The page took a full minute to load. IMDB is still like that. Even Slashdot has pretty heavy HTML.
Meanwhile Google's pages are no more cluttered than absolutely necessary -- even the source is plain and simple.
Yahoo sorta follows this philosophy, but not strongly enough.
"I honestly believe I have enough positive energy ? this is totally an Aquarius-type deal ? if I record these things thinking very positively, I kind of believe metaphysically it cheers people up. They'll get a positive hit," Reynolds says.
I think Ms. Reynolds has taken a few too many positive hits herself.
I see it like this: with the help of the merger, AOL now realizes it is becoming a monopoly in its own right, so they don't need to advertise anymore, so they don't need a marketing department, so they're laying all those guys off. Makes sense to me.
:)
Saladin for his part answered this by taking a gossamer silk scarf and draping it over the edge of his blade, whereupon it fell to the floor neatly sliced in two.
You know, i sat here scratching my head for ten minutes before i realized that "it" was not referring to the sword.
Gee, i didn't get a single one. Must be because i use Mozilla.
Sure, the story sounds appaling -- notably the way Mama D. exploits her workers. But do you really think any other business is different? You like having a car, right? Hundreds if not thousands of Mama D.'s went into the production of it. They're called entrepreneurs, and we'd all be living in the dirt without them.
The workers are thrilled to make $80 a day -- it's 400 times what they'd make otherwise. They're overjoyed to trade some muck they dug up for whores and antibiotics and beer and cash. Nobody's forcing them to do it -- they can always go back to whatever they used to do. Without someone "exploiting" them, they'd be bored and poor.
If you're really concerned about this kind of thing, how about asking the guy who cleans the the toilets at work how much he gets paid to do it. Or the people who pick the oranges so you can have a morning glass of OJ. Or just about anything else you enjoy.
This is a picture along the same lines, only IMHO more awe-inspiring.
If you had worded that a little better, your (-1, Troll) could have been a (+5, Funny).
Then they start hiding Freenet in other protocols. Have it piggyback on https. Or ssh. Or hide it in ICQ messages.
Why do politicians have to kill great science projects for their own political vandettas?
:)
Sometimes a question just answers itself.
I guess this is the Push Technology thing they made such a fuss about a few years ago.
Uh, i don't think that's the only reason Titanic II would suck...
INT PARLOR
A rich MAN and his WIFE are sitting and talking.
WIFE
Hubert, would you fancy taking a cruise on the Titanic later this season?
MAN
No, you stupid bitch, it's been sunk for over a year!