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Matrix Sequel Delayed to 2003
moojin was among the countless slashdot readers who noted that scifi (No I am Sci-Fi dammit) has reported that the 'Matrix Reloaded' will be delayed until the summer 2003. I'm bummed, but I'm willing to wait to see the Brothers W do it right (no way I'm gonna try to spell that name ;)
What do you think this is, a race? Other posts were mo' betta'.
No bonus points for bangs, CAPS LOCK, or a scoop to the tune of three minutes.
then why is it that when the first one cam out I saw a quote from one of the brothers along the lines of (paraphasing) "yeah it was always planned as a trilogy, I mean we could do a sequal and a prequel, two sequels, or two prequels" -- if it was always panned as a trilogy, (as everything seems to be nowadays) why didnt he know exactly what they would do ?
You idiot, it's the Warner BROS.! Not Brothers, BROS.!
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What about Terminator2??
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I believe the Lord of the Rings Trilogy was all filmed at the same time.
That's not so hard to spell. ;)
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Dude, there's a reason why CmdrTaco majored in CS and not English.
You have to remember that Taco regularly misspells a word with only four letters. (The word "Than" In fact, I can't remember a time he has ever spelled it correctly.)
What amazes me is that he's decided to forego printing a word because he doesn't know how to spell it - are we soon to see "Posted by CmdrTaco: It now!" (Sorry I can't think of a single english sentence that can convey meaningful information using only three-letter words.)
I just wish he took some of that IPO cash and spent it on a third-grade english tutor.
And thats why the "sequels" to the Lord of the rings are going to rock, because they arent actually sequels, they are seperate installments to one story.
So what you're saying is that ambiguity is your cinematic god.
I'll agree. The Matrix is plenty ambiguous.
Not because it's meant to be, but because it's full of holes.
A good story may have enough subtlety and nuances that your understanding of it changes on successive viewings, but a movie to which you can apply random and conflicting interpretations is illiterate impressionism.
Basic lesson taught to all writers when they are young: Don't mistake obscurity for depth.
--Blair
P.S. I'd like to thank all those who modded my original post, the one that started this thread, down to 0. Those of us who like knocking power-mad petty tyrants out of their trees need reassurance every once in a while that the human race hasn't lost its ability to whelp them out in the thousands.
That sounds interesting. I wonder if any other movies have ever been shot in this fashion. Doing it this way seems a good way to maximize profit. You don't have to try to get all the actors together again, you don't have to get all the clearences to shot at certain locations again, you don't get unintended delay from actors pursuing aditional projects, etc. The only disadvantage is you could release both films at or near the same time, but you would never do that (to again maximize profit) which has the small potential to irritate Matrix loyalists. Other then that, this seems smart from a production angle. Does anyone know of other films that have tried this?
Lawrence Lessig is my personal hero.
Obviously there is *SOME* way out of this, otherwise they wouldn't have a script. I'm just curious what it is.
if they releas it near christmas, wont it have to compete with one of ther LOTR movies? I doubt this is a coincidence.
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Like the Brothers Coen would ever WANT to make a movie with the Brothers Wachowski. C'mon, the Matrix was a steaming pile of dog shit gussied up with nifty special effects, and that's all the sequels are going to be. Turn off your brain to enjoy. If you can't turn off your brain, don't watch. I fall in the latter category...
probably not, but Attack of the Clones is still the worst. Sounds like attack of the _clowns_
Still reminds me of that dog sci-fi bomb killer clowns from outer space everytime I hear it.
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Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
sequels better than the original:
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There is no sequel, only Zuul.
Well, it looks to me like there were just "rumors" that it would be released by Christmas 2002, not announced. It's not a delay, it's just a more accurate estimate on the time it'll be done.
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This is disappointing. I know a lot of geeks hated the movie, and labelled it as no plot mainstream crap, but I enjoyed it. Wanted to see what they would possibly do next..
::drools::
..on the other hand, at least Fellowship of the Ring is still coming out at Christmas!
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T2 had a bunch of violations of that. Sara was hard core, which was cool, but still I was bugged by it.
Anybody remember the dumb V TV movies that got turned into a series. Us humans won, engineering a superbacteria. Yeah!!! Then once the TV series came out, het, guess what, it can't survive winters dammit. Most contrived plot I've seen. Well, next to Batman having his Bat-Thermal underwear on whenver he went against Mr. Freeze. He had on tights, how did he hide thermals?
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The marketing dept. must have decided it was more strategic to release in the summer 2003. It takes like 8 months to make a movie.
Delays are almost always for marketing reasons.
How hard is it to spell Warner Brothers?
> Neo transcended the Matrix. So what's the deal,
> are they going to bring back the
> machines/Matrix, and have it turn out that
> they didn't beat the machines after all?
Well, since he's interfaced, he can do all sorts of cool stuff. He can make it snow in the middle of the Nirvana mall, he can scroll up cinemas anytime he likes, he can make that girl in the cubicle next to him go to bed with him - and then "disappear" her the next morning, AND he can rig the computer to give all Novicorp's employees big mega-credit bonuses.
Personally, I think Neo will dopple into a baboon again, since he seemed to enjoy it so much the first time.
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Or am I getting confused with _Overdrawn at the Memory Bank_ again?
Where's Raul Julia when you need him?
Was this an elaborate joke?
Hmm... Never attribute to subtle humor that which can be explained by stupidity.
Not "below the belt", so much as "above the covers" -- four feet above the covers.
And I'll be surprised if many people here don't get a GB ref. I admit: it's not quite a cult-status flick, but it's close. The rising 15 year olds don't rule /.
Yet.
"We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
But, "the emprire strikes back" was good, because the story included that from the beginning.
Lucas claims he had all the movies planned, but I think he was winging it on Return of the Jedi. Let's face it, there was a romantic undercurrent between Luke and Leia in Episodes IV & V. Why would Lucas have done that if he knew all along that Luke and Leia were siblings? And in the original ROTJ script, Lando kicks the bucket. Things were definitely in flux.
"...but Attack of the Clones is still the worst. Sounds like attack of the _clowns_ "
So why doesn't 'Clone Wars' sound like 'Clown Wars' to you?
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At the end of the movie all of the people (with some notable exceptions) are still in pods. We never get to see the free city. There is still a lot to do. Being in control of the matrix does nothing about freeing mankind.
The city is being overrun by a herd of Lucy Liu's.
Your brain can tell your body to shut of vital functions and die. Although we, as citizens of the western world, usualy can't do this many indigenous tribes can. In many cultures (some Native American tribes, native Australians) disgraced members of the tribe will actually go off alone, lay down and will themselves dead.
Or so I've heard.
Hell, it's a great plot device.
I diagree, I think "attack of the clones" is a horrible name....it reminds me of that dumb as hell movie "attack from mars" which i refuse to watch based upon the title itself...
It's called "Trixxx". STars Rebecca Lord. Check it out.
No, it shouldn't bother him just as much. Peewee's Playhouse was a great show.
What are they doing filming in SanFran? Wasn't the first one done in Sydney, Australia?
Wachowsky isnt that hard to spell :)
there is some confusion as to what exactly is going on...
...dave
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Am I the only one who thinks that "Matrix: Reloaded" is worse than "Attack of the Clones"?
Well, at least it isn't "The Agents Strike Back"
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What about Scream 2 ??? (In which they had a debate in a film class about sequels.) When I saw Scream 2, I hadn't even known about Scream, had never seen it, never heard of it, etc (I've been hiding under a rock the last few years I guess) - so I was confused .. The movie was obviously a satire of horror movies. So I was thinking, what better way to satire horror movies than to make one that's a self referential seemingly sequel (remember, I didn't know about Scream) of a fake previous movie.
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People seem to either hate the Matrix, or love it. If you hate it, then obviously the sequel will suck for you.
I think the sequel should be good though. The main reason is because it won't just be a re-hash of the first one. It is a distinct story, because the circumstances are almost entirely different.
I really don't understand why so many people hate the Matrix. I mean, I know Keanu can't act, and the plot has holes, but compared to most sci-fi movies it is very solid. ah well, to each his own.
More details available via Corona Canada and KeanuWeb where it states that Matrix 2 was planned for Christmas 2002 and Matrix 3 for Summer 2003.
Those movies were both shot at the same time.
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Sequel to Mad Max: The Road Warrior. No question that was a better movie! 'Course, the sequel to _that_ movie, Beyond Thunderdome, was not as good.
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"The Matrix II, Attack of the Clones"
For that matter, all three original films were better than The Phantom Menace... :)
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It's official. Most of you are morons.
My main problem with the original is the same problem I have with all cyberspace-neuromancer type clones: why in the world would your brain kill your body if you 'thought' you died in some VR-type world? It makes no sense. I mean, honestly, think about it. Most of your body which is devoted to survival is autonomic - heart, respiration, all take serious conscious effort to control, and quite a bit of training. It's extremely unlikely that your mind, thinking that you died, would cut off the *autonomic* response of breathing/heartbeat. That's idiotic. How does your brain know that you honestly died? All those bullets could've passed straight through, and not harmed anything. Consider reality: several people wake up in hospitals thinking that they have died. If your body doesn't die if your brain thinks you died in reality, you wouldn't die from dying in VR! Of course, the better analogy comes from dreams: if you die in a dream, do you die in reality? No... so why in the world does anyone think VR is any different? Granted, the Matrix wouldn't exactly have any 'punch' if they didn't really die, but that's another example of Hollywood sacrificing common sense for theatrical effect. It'd be really nice to see someone who's very very smart come up with a good, scientifically sound plot that's still a good movie.
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A weak argument could be mand that the neural implants in their brains contain the kill-switch, and cannot be removed without killing the individual.
I lived in San Francisco last year and saw Keanu and Lawrence (just to name two) all the damn time in the city. Hanging out at the bars in Northbeach, at dinner South of Market, etc.
My question is, why were these guys always in the city hanging out? Did they ever get any filming done? I'm kind of saying this tongue in cheek, but it's a valid question. I had always heard the Hollywood myth: actors work such long days, filming is hard work, blah blah. Lawrence didn't look very stressed; chilling out with his ever present sunglasses and a frosty beer...
there are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots
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Just my thought. Actually common sense would say "It's just a movie, relax and enjoy the ride". And I do, but I'm also intrigued by the themes of 'unreality' raised by Matrix, Dark City, 13th Floor, Existenz, and others of that genre.
Since the theme of the whole movie seemed to be 'The world is so f***ed up it has to be fake" I just carried that thought to another level, the level of 'reality' revealed by the plot of the movie. Not saying that it is 'literal truth' (if such a term has any meaning in a literary work), just that I thought it was a neat lens to view the story through, and that it could add another level to the themes and issues raised in the movie. I've always been of the rather post-modern view that the audience's reading of and participation in the telling of the story was just as valid as the author's intention.
The effects were cool and all, but I thought that the story line was incredibly weak, and the characters annoying. Anytime I'm watching a movie and I'm happy that the "good guys" die because they irritate me, I'm disappointed.
Tomb Raider was similar. Cool effects, and it would have been a good movie if it had, say, a script.
I'm not really looking foward to this one.
BTW: I think that SW:Ep1 gets a bad rap for no reason. After watching it a second and third time, I felt like it was one of the best movies in the trilogy. I felt that there were subtle references to plots and the universe as a whole that was ignored in the trilogy.
The rips on Jar-Jar are kinda rediculous. He isn't ANY worse than C-3PO. We just like 'threepio because we grew up with him. My sig. other just watched A New Hope for the first time last weekend. She spoke to be afterwards and was like, "Am I the only one that finds C-3PO really annoying?"
Jar-Jar was no worse than C-3PO, we just all thought C-3PO was cool because he was a robot of sorts, and we were little kids.
To suggest that Menace was a bad film and Matrix was one of the greatest really shows an interesting point of view.
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Whoa.
IGN has a similar news report which includes comments regarding the use of katana in the film.
I don't know why they want to make a sequel to the movie. No one has ever made a sequel better that the orginial.
Here's your evidence: In the first half Trinity and the agent jump like frogs, and the policeman says "that's impossible".
I don't see how they are going to do a sequel. At the end of the first movie, the "resistance" won, and Neo transcended the Matrix. So what's the deal, are they going to bring back the machines/Matrix, and have it turn out that they didn't beat the machines after all?
Matrix isn't a standalone movie, with sequels being tacked on. It's the first in what was always planned to be a trilogy.
Yes Dorothy, the Matrix was just the boring intro leading up to the real meat of the story. Worth the wait I'm sure.
Oh yeah and the acting in the original Matrix movie is SO great. None of the actors (except for Laurence Fishburne and that Australian guy that plays the AI agent) come close to being any good at acting. Sometimes I wonder how Keanu Reeves keeps getting roles, maybe it's his looks or something? It's certainly not his acting...
Trust me Aliyah won't lower the acting standards of The Matrix one bit.
Provided they don't screw it up, I don't care about the wait...
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C'mon, I think leo screaming "I'm the King of the Dead!" would be kindof cute, don't you think?
What amazes me is that he's decided to simply not print words he doesn't know how to spell.. since a word with only four letters is beyond him, here is what future posts might look like:
So does this mean we can look forward to more
posts where CmdrTaco uses a single letter for
words instead of spelling them wrong?
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So what does that mean for The Matrix 3's release? "You'll see," Silver said.
Instead of worrying about Matrix 3, they should concentrate on Matrix 2.
If Matrix 2 is a bomb, there won't even be a Matrix 3.
If it's good, maybe I'll take my grandchildren to see it.
Well we could always run down and beat them with pitch forks and make them put it out by Summer of 2002 that way we don't have to wait as long. ^_^ Then again I'd hate to see some of us in cover alls and no shirts on... ::shudders at the thought::
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Now for something completely different. The matrix is an allegory for the New Testament. Morpheus, Neo, and Trinity are the holy trinity.
Morpheus = God: "you're more than just a leader to us, you're like a father to us".
Neo = Jesus: Dies and comes back to life.
Trinity = Holy Spirit: Motivates (dead) neo to believe he is The One. And her name seals the deal.
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But after they got out of the power plant, they were using their own connections, not the robot's. Wouldn't they have programmed them not to kill the body?
My question is, why were these guys always in the city hanging out? Did they ever get any filming done?
I worked as an extra during some of the filming of the sequels. A lot of of the stuff they were filming around here didn't involve Keanu's character, so he was "around" but not actively involved in most of it.
As for the other actors, sometimes you need them, other times a stand-in or stunt double is sufficent. During some of the stunt-heavy sequences the real Carrie-Anne Moss was only on our set once or twice a week at most; ditto for The Fish. But their stunt doubles were around constantly. It depends on what you're filming.
For ongoing info on the sequels, try www.thematrixonline.com .
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My latest interpretation on the Matrix is that it plain sucks. I even beleive that it sucks more at each viewing, but I won't see it a third time to check this theory.
Bad plot. Bad acting. Filled with hidden advertising. Gratuitously violent. Full of rip off.
> My latest - The movie says that it is the first half of the movie that takes place in a 'fake' world. And we buy into it.
This is not the problem. Neo discover that he lives in a fake world. He buy into it. Then he discovers that the real world is a cheap vessel full of japanese computers where you can play virtual kung-fu. He buy into it. At this point, you can be assured that he have room temperature IQ. Celcius, of course.
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They're probably releasing it in a couple years to avoid the present curse of movies turning out to suck.
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I agree that most sequels never messure up, but I see it as trillogy, there where so many un answered questions from the first one . But even so it is always done for the money. The second one will clean house just beause all the original fans will flock to see it to see if it measures up, but it never does. The third will still be a block buster because we want to see how it ends. It's like watching a movie all the way to the last 5 minutes and never knowing what happened, the human mind can not resist.
Sounds good...except that you either have to accept the original story, that the sub is real and the city is not [because in the city Neo can bend walls and fly], or you have to include the entire world, sub+city, in the sim. Thus blowing to hell your reasoning above.
What's more, if the first-half city were real and the second-half city fake, it would be far more difficult to simulate the city and make it look&feel exactly the same as a real-world place, than to create an experience which was consistently VR.
Yes, you are. I love the title, if only for the two meanings it has. Actually three: System, weapons, Agent Smith from tar.
That way people who run Windows will understand it better.
Bring back the survivors and maybe i'll bother.
Oh, give it a rest, and go do something more suited to your intelligence, like playing in the street. Those of us with a few neurons knew that the Matrix wasn't deserving of "serious analysis" the moment Laurence Fishburne delivered that whole "computers are using humans for heat energy" spiel -- and it was played 100% serious.
In other words, if you really want to believe there is anything deep and meaningful hidden in this movie, go ahead, but I reserve the right to wiggle my tongue and make googly eyes at you, because it's plainly obvious that the script was written by bunch of drooling Hollywoodite morons who just needed filler material between action scenes.
funny observations, and usually true, but in this case I believe you're going to discover (come 2003/04) you were dead wrong in betting against the films when both completely blow your mind right out of your head.
the W brothers envisioned a triology from the get-go. and they consider the first film in the trilogy the weak-but-necessary preamble to establish the very complex structural narrative which will be leveraged by the second two films.
if they consider "The Matrix" to be the weakest link in their series (one of the greatest sci-fi films EVER), i'm inclined to trust that they'll deliver the goods. if it takes an extra year, it isn't because they're sitting around trying to figure out a plot. It is because they know they only have one chance to do this correctly, that their cinematic legacy is at stake. Films that are perfect, uncompromised artistic realizations of a unique vision are rare enough. Rarer still are those that can be commercially successful.
Give them the benefit of the doubt. If you want to preemptively gloat about an inevitable cinematic disappointment that lacks in plot and worthiness, I'd recommend you consider the upcoming sure-to-be-a-groaner, "Attack of the Clones". Don't bet against Lucas when it comes to disappointing fans and bungling a legacy- or you WILL be disappointed. He's done it before- TWICE (Jedi & Menace) and he'll do it again. Sure as eggs is eggs.
Will Neo and Trinity have gotten married and had the progeny we all would expect from our superhero and his trophy mate or will she have left Neo for one of the agents who is known for having a "beefed" up light saber. Oh so many questions to be answered, oh so little time...
Oh wait it's taking 3 years to make, oh so much time.
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Much in the same way that some artists say that they know they've really "made it" when Weird Al parodies one of their songs, maybe, in the same way, musicians/actors/athletes know they've made it once they make one of those "I am Sci-Fi" bits.
;)
But, I can't be the only one that would love to see an actual Sci-Fi commercial with CmdrTaco in a CopyLeft shirt belting "No I am Sci-Fi dammit!"
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Since you haven't learned to spell simple words like "than," it comes as no surprise that "Wachowski" would give you fits.
Of course, you could always look them up in imdb, but that would require intelligence.
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Yes it's true that most of the sequels, written after the success of first movie, are bad.
But if the story was written, and shot, in more than one piece, it changes.
For example Titanic II would be bad, because they have to "make up" things. But, "the emprire strikes back" was good, because the story included that from the beginning.
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The Matrix stank.
More holes than a pre-SMT circuit board.
Keanu is a waste of envy.
Laurence Fishburn was just plain wasted as Morpheus.
The only remotely interesting thing in it was people running on walls exploding with gunfire.
But it's plain from the total lack of an ending that they plan decades of sequels, and if it doesn't devolve into Police Academy or a geeky Halloween, I'll be mighty surprised.
Understand, this is the movie Wesley Crusher would have called "his".
The longer they wait to repeat that disaster the better.
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Maybe they could get David Duchovny as Neo instead. He has all that experience with carefully guarding against facial expressions.
What's the point of the second fake world? Why go through the hassle?
THAT is EXACTLY how I felt when I first saw this headline.. :-( It's a sad sad day on /.
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Which is good reason to not make a sequel.
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Uhm. Wachowski? They're from the Chicago suburbs. If you know Chicago, the street names are from downtown. Purposely jumbled, with some impossible combinations such as La Salle and Wabash (which run parallel) or somthing like that.
I want the movie, Quake. Directed by Francis Ford Coppola, George Lucas doing (ONLY!) the ILM, John Romero as "Creative Consultant" and Bongmeister, with actors like Willem Defoe, Vin Diesel and Bill Paxton. The story line will draw from Lovecraft stories as the game did, though vaguely. It will be on the epic grandeous scale of Close Encounters or the first Star Wars. Plot is this: world is completely destroyed leaving only a few the possiblity of travelling back in time through the slipgates to change future events and save the world. In a sort of The Stand rip-off, there are some who side with the Old Ones and become voluntary zombies making for some great Evil Dead-esque scenes of mass carnage between the good and the evil. If done right it could redeem the presently moronic genre of video game movies.
Reminds me of Back to the Future II and III. IIRC, they were making one movie (working title: "Paradox"), and realized they had too much material, so they made two.
There are certainly advantages:
budget: there are some things you only have to do once, like sets and costumes.
continuity: no one's going to look incongruously old in the third one.
writing: you can tell one good story instead of trying to tell two good stories.
box office: you have two sequels to a well loved movie. On only that basis, they should do fine.
You're also right about being "Matrix-like". I hope they focus more on making a good "brothers W" film than being like the original.
However, for continuity, many things will have to be the same: we'll likely need bullet-time, wire fight scenes, and most of the same characters. (Doesn't mean the characters can't grow/change.)
It just takes a while, and you must devote all your energy to it, not taking breaks for food or drink. Coincidentally, it takes about the same amount of time it takes to dies of thirst: two days or so. Less if you cry a lot and walk a long way.
I'd be a little more impressed if these one of these disgraced people just went, "Screw you guys, I'm going to the afterlife," rolled his eyes up in their sockets, and keeled over stone dead before the rest of the tribe stopped laughing at whatever faux pas he committed.
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Most of the arial fighting and martial arts seen in the Matrix (and other knockoffs) were derived from the "Wire Fu" genre of Hong Kong martial arts flicks, where actors performed amazing forms and dance-like fight sequences while hanging on wires to give them seemingly superhuman agility. Some of it is sort of obvious, but it is better if you can appreaciate as the dance/artform that it has become.
no way I'm gonna try to spell that name /. would give you a hard time for misspellling something... hehe
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of course, now they'll give you a hard time for not trying because they really hav noghting better to do.
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From what I've seen with science fiction prequels in the past few years they are always met with warmth.
The brain implants providing the connection were installed by somewhat hostile robots. They contain powerful computers actually running the local client. They were designed to kill the body when the client decides the body has been killed.
Same old lesson: never trust the client.
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The Matrix was intended, from the start, to be a trilogy. This means that the next Matrix movie will be the second part of a story and not a copy of the first movie, wich sequels usually are.
The W bros. have been on record saying that the first Matrix is there mainly to establish the setting of what will basically be a superhero story. That justifies the bit at the end where Neo flies like superman (wich bugged many people).
And they have been saying that the Star Wars trilogy was a big inspiration for them, notably the pattern of "happy-dark-happy" of a trilogy, where a cycle of happy endings and "dark clouds" endings create a rythm wich helps a trilogy to be seen as a whole (think Han Solo in carbonite).
So expect the next movie to be way darker than the first (I expect Zion(?) to be destroyed and the last free humans to be forced to flee from the machines in the Matrix2, and to finally overcome the machines in Matrix3).
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'nuff said
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Matrix III: Abort, Retry, Fail? Could that be the title of the third movie?
Whoa, this changes everything. I mean, whoa, does this mean Larry and Andy taught Keanu some new words? WHOA!
I wish I had more hands so I could give this post 4 thumbs down!
There is a lot of movies with a better sequel what about Teminator, star wars, james bond, planet of the apes (the old ones) and so on i think that Matrix:Reloaded will be a great movie.
He made such a big deal of this in the article, I wonder if they're planning on releasing II and III simultaneously? That would be fun.
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My course was actually "Differential Equations with Linear Algebra," which most just refer to as diff-eq, but you're right, it would be specifically linear algebra the poster was referring to.
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Or maybe it's that he's a lazy motherfucker who can't be bothered to type in "matrix" at imdb.com and copy and paste "Wachowski" into his post...
*sigh*
It seems like the Wachowski brothers are dissapointing. I think the worst blow to the development so far has been the "missed" aquisition of Jet Li, martial arts expert extrodinaire. Apparently, Li was either too greedy or the Wachowski Brothers/Producers weren't willing to give Li the money he asked. This in my opinion, is a very sad blow against the movie.
First, Li's gone, now they push back the date. I pray that the Matrix won't suffer from the sophmore jinx.
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The test of a good movie, to me, is when I've taken 100 bong hits, and then watch it again, it makes me want to take another bong hit.
Well I hope not but since it does have an extra year to develop the film then it might be good.... the first Matrix movie was one of those movies which made you think. Sometimes I even try to bend the cutlery at my house.... doesn't work though :(
I hope to see more story and less visual crap. Every movie out these days has "Matrix-like" moves and it is just getting old.
You said it yourself. The other movies rip off the stuff that made The Matrix. I would be extremely disappointed if the sequel didn't contain the same quality (if not better) effects as the first movie.
The expression is "I could NOT care less." Think about it.
In the meantime you can have some fun with the easter-eggs on the DVD while you wait for the new movie. Go to DVD Easter Eggs :)
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At first I thought you said they would use Daikatana in the film..
The test of a good movie, to me, is when I've seen it 100 times, and then watch it again and come up with a new theory that suddenly re-explains everything
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You may be right, but if I could watch "Planet of the Apes" 100 times, I'd probably have 100 different explanations as to how they came up with that loopy ending, but it wouldn't make it a better movie.
I hope you haven't seen the original Matrix then because Lawrence Fishburn (Morpheus) used to play Cowboy Curtis on Pee Wee's Playhouse and that should bother you just as much.
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because the original was so fucking bad. Bad script. Laughable acting. Boring, predictable story. The only reason I didn't walk out of this movie is because some friends had driven me to it. Look, juts because you're a geek, doesn't mean you also have to be a brain dead idiot. Think for yourself. Watch this movie. Don't just parrot what people tell you.
Evil Dead. 'Nuff said.
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To quote The Limey: There's one thing I don't understand. The thing I don't understand is, every mother----in' word you're saying. :)
Still, it seems a bit excessive with a 6 month delay just to glue a replacement grapefruit on there. His facial expressions were pretty non-existant to begin with so who's really gonna notice.
are Larry and Andy Wachowski. That's not so hard to spell. ;)
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Phrase: Silver assured that the extra time added to the production schedules is simply meant to benefit the quality of both films.
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Definition: 1) Normally used to cover ones "butt" in hopes that releasing early of said time makes people feel better 2) We really messed something up, and need more time. Possibly because the plot was lacking, and we dont want another mistake like the new Star Wars (timining coincidence... i think not!) 3) There's been a lack of press, lets bring some hype back up
That seems about right I think!
Is this delay because of production problems / quality issues or just because the struggling AOLTW movie division can't hope to compete with StarWars Episode II: Send In The Clones? They've lost too much money recently to send a big-budget guaranteed hit in to fall on its sword against the LucasFilm monster.
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they said that they are filming this as one long movie, not two... Interesting.
I hope to see more story and less visual crap. Every movie out these days has "Matrix-like" moves and it is just getting old. I would really hope that the next one is just as groundbreaking as the first.
They sure dodged a bullet on that one! Wonder where they picked up that trick?
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What's up with the boner games and movies have for katanas? The well-armored guy with a large, 2-handed sword was the ultimate on the battlefield (sorry, EverQuest, 2 1-handers = dirt nap, and fast.)
At least, until the Great Equalizer. You know what that is? That's the thing you shoot at a dog-sized monster and hit it with a dozen times before it dies. sigh
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd pay big bucks to have the Brothers Wachowski and the Brothers Coen team up for a movie. :)
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Maybe the reality that Neo "conquered" was just chrooted?
Or, um, uh, maybe not...
The ONLY movies that were designed from the start to be a trilogy from the start are the Lord of The Rings.
I'm sorry. I just found this funny to the point of virtual insanity.
The first movie would take place almost entirely in the world of Thomas Anderson, with a lot more Hitchcock style cat-and-mouse action. It would end in the Nebuchadnezzar with Morpheus saying "welcome ... to the real world".
The second movie would start with the shot of Neo in the medical tank with hundreds of wires trailing out of him.
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Kids think of this hunk of crap the way us older folks thought of Star Wars, which was panned as mindless entertainment, too, but wrongly so, since it's got a strong story under all that cheesy blaster fire. The Matrix, by contrast, has a lousy story, no score, wasted effects (giant spiders?), empty acting, and very little merchandising value.
Here's hoping the producers of The Matrix put CyberEwoks into the sequel and fuck their fans the way Lucas fucked us.
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I believe that they're concurrently shooting the movies for Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Anyone know if they're still using Anakin as Ender? It's not too late to kill myself, is it?
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Well, as if Agent Smith could "get out" if he wanted to... That would imply that there is some means to "rise up" from THE Matrix into the "Real World."
Obviously the best place for a sequel to take place is in the "Real World," because that's where the machines ultimately rule. That's where the final war needs to take place.
But recall also that you can't just go around unplugging everybody. People have to be "willing" to leave, and prepared to "let go."
I can't imagine a dumb plot surrounding such an intensely spiritual issue. Honestly, how many people do you know who would trade their SUVs and cel phones and - ahem - cool computers to wake up in a barren wasteland surrounded by giant robotic insects and "squiddies"?
Ha, I didn't think so.
I wonder, then, how much more willing these same inerred minds will be once they spend a bit of time in what Neo describes in the final voice-over as a world without controls, without rules, and without agents.
It seems to me that in the plot of the first film there was a bit of a corny element in the love Trinity develops for Neo. Surely this can't be the kind of love that this whole series is about!? If it's going to try and live up its thinly-veiled Buddhist world-view then the only remedy for humanity is a Bhodisattva (in the form of Neo) who deals directly with the problems of human attachment. That's a broader kind of love that - yeah I know - just doesn't play well in an action movie.
One friend of mine decried the corruption of the concept of Maya in The Matrix because to her mind it was a foul idea that the whole of humanity is reduced to a kind of social-structure-junky and that there's no remorse or reflection in the wake of killing these beings. In a way, she felt, this was basically promulgating a Fundamentalist paranoid world-view in the guise of a Noble Truth.
Maybe she's right. I'd like to see some of these themes addressed in this sequel, but I doubt the fine Wachowski brothers will stop having fun long enough to consider these questions.
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Hey all. They were filming parts of this in downtown Oakland last Fall. A chase scene right outside my friends office.
Code Red III The Matrix's NT 7 servers simply couldn't handle code red and therefore made the filming impossible.
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one of the greatest sci-fi films EVER
Just imagine how cool The Matrix would have been if they had cast a real actor for the film instead of Keannu Reeves.
The guy has all the depth of a puddle in the middle of a heat-wave.
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The test of a good movie, to me, is when I've seen it 100 times, and then watch it again and come up with a new theory that suddenly re-explains everything. Like when I finally understood the Madonna conversation at the beginning of Reservoir Dogs (metaphor for whole movie, acting like first time thieves gets them hurt).
My latest - The movie says that it is the first half of the movie that takes place in a 'fake' world. And we buy into it. Look deeper. The evidence is flimsy. In fact, it is more elegant if the second half of the movie takes place in a fake world. The tech that creates a fake world could create either. But wouldn't it be easier to make one sub and a little surroundings versus the entire world? Think about it. Neo lives a boring life in our boring world, then he meets these weird people, takes a pill, weird shit happens, they strap him into a vr chair, and boom, the whole second half of the movie is imaginary. Boring programmer vs. the savior of the world, which is more likely?
heh, well I think most of the people in my circle of friends were firmly in the "Tim Burton Smoked A Fat Bag of Crack That Day" school of thought... :-)
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hello this is gladys malone it is very hard for me to find things that interest me on this slashdot but this is what sean who works at the retirement center puts me on everyday. on movie night a while ago we watched this movie and i didn't understand it at all first he was working in an office and then something comes out of his stomach and then all of a sudden he takes a pill and he is on a space ship and is doing kung fu with a black man i thought that the japanese do kung fu. but then he can make things appear and do flips in the air because he is the one. i dont know what that means being the one but i guess it was important. maybe someone here can help me understand it better i don't know why sean the director of entertainment always gets these movies for us he must think that just because he likes them that we'd like them too. i really just wish he'd get us an old humphrey bogart film because most of us are very set in our ways and don't understand these newfangled music especially when the music is so loud that you can't even hear the words anymore. and the things they call music it just sounds like noise to me.
when i was younger i used to go to all the jazz clubs and the older people would always say 'that's not music' but this is different this isn't music at all it sounds like the people who are digging up the road in front of my house, especially with all the language because they use terrible language in that music too. sean says i have to go now because i have to go see doctor johnson goodbye your friend gladys malone
I hope that b/c they delayed they are making the action sequences better, and the plot makes more sense. Plan to see the Matrix 2&3 about 70 times.
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Oh well.
Pee-Wee's Playhouse pretended to be a kids' show. Duh.
....Matrix Community, where even some of us participated in a official documentary on the movie.
and for clearer understanding of the metaphor of the Movie:
matrix metaphors
And a U.S. Patent Office RFC responce
And of course my response to the EU consulation on Software patents -- rue.pdf
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Why don't they break the trend and release it in March or something? I pretty much ignore movies during the summer because they all have these amazing trailers then turn out sucking the big one (can you say Jurassic Park III?) I say March or April, there's no football, there's no going to the beach, perfect time to release a great movie.
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They re-imagined Planet of the Apes, just released Apocalypse Now Redux, and now it the matrix...RELOADED!
But look on the bright side, at least it's not "Matrix episode 2: Attack of the Clones"
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I was looking forward to this, and by putting it off, our expectations are now even higher. It better not suck. Too bad Trinity won't be in it.
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i'd rather see madona do it it :)