Samsung already has single chip 32GB flash as of September of last year and expect to hit 64GB this year. You can buy 16GB solutions already for less than $300 in onesy-twosy retail (and generally a chunk less for millions of them).
There is no reason not to think 64GB of flash will be down to $300 retail Summer of '08.
There are known issues with a few sound cards and RAID or SCSI cards eating up the bandwidth of the PCI bus that cause this. I have an AMD 3000+ running three simultaneous high def streams and no stutter.
I have worked contracts for several companies that have lost secrets due to camera phones and the only cell phones allowed, and only in certain areas, are company issued ones at these sites.
They did this with Server when it was in beta. The idea being that they were offering this free so they could gather bug data from a large pool of users. It got turned off when product got close to gold so they could test performance. Some intrepid users figured out how to turn it off with a little manipulation (rename two folders and change one config file line). It makes a pretty big difference in performance.
That would be a huge legal mess in the US for far too many reasons. A company has to either have a very specific and bonded contract (I worked at a not too large financial services company that asked for a $100 million bond for document storage from an offsite company to cover accidental disclosure liability) or they have to own the servers and keep them on premises. This applies to anyone who has an HR department, payroll, accounting, works with the SEC or NASD, deals with anything patient record related, etc...so basically banking, insurance, medicine, financial services, law, and all ancillary industries would be precluded from using this service.
Also, no manager would ever sign off on offsiting critical documents (a service companies lifeblood) for anything but backup or disaster recovery AKA business continuity.
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Dell, et al. HAVE documentation. They signed legally binding NDA's and contracts. There is serious money involved. I still don't get why everyone thinks the community should be the ones to wirte the drivers. Make a stable ABI and allow manufacturers to write the drivers as they see fit and protect their IP.
Other options is for OS people sacrifice any ability to work in their field and sign life-long NDA's and non-com's to gain acess to the info or have bounties to raise the millions to BUY the information and form business contacts with manufacturers. Personally I would like to see a fully functioning HAL and pull nearly all drivers out of the kernel and rewrite the ABI to use Windows drivers. We would never have an incompatibility again.
"The USSR, when it existed, several times suggested getting rid of all nuclear weapons. The US rejected their proposals."
This never happened. I don't even have to cite a source on this one. I would like to point out that at least as current as Yeltsin, Russia still had a first strike nuclear doctrine. Russia's nuclear arsenal has dwindled rapidly, however due to economic issues and the hard work of Senator Lugar and his Nunn-Lugar Cooperative which has been using US tax dollars to PAY the Russians to disarm (on fo the few use of my tax dollars I approve of). Russia's current nuclear arsenal is used as deterrant towards China, North Korea, and Iran (cited from Jane's and CDI)
" The nuclear non-proliferation treaty requires that nuclear powers work towards nuclear disarmament. The US rejects all proposals calling for nuclear disarmament."
The NNP Treaty actually has three parts: non-proliferation, disarmament, and the right to peacefully use nuclear tech. Part one allows for all of the then current nuclear powers to remain so. Those nations just happen to be the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council. The rule states that those nations will not give the technology to any other nation and will not use nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear nation (although France, the US, and Britain have recently said "rogue states" are fair game.). Part two deals with disarmament. The US has decreased it's stockpile considerably and continues to do so. The Bush administration was the first to try and reverse this although they seem to have had that idea squashed in Congress. The NNP specifically states that disarmament is voluntary and any nation may opt out for a time if they have a perceived threat that necessitates it. I, and a hell of a lot of my fellow citizens, think we do. The idea of the treaty was to reduce pressure on other nations to develop their own weapons in response to perceived "pressure" from nuclear powers to do so. It has worked so far but more needs to be done. To say the US has not reduced it's stockpile is bull, however.
" Presently, 4 of the Central Asian *stan countries are organizing to declare themselves a "nuclear free zone" forbidding all nuclear weapons from their territory. What country is working diplomatically and is pressuring them to scuttle the nuclear free zone idea? The US."
The Central Asian Nuclear Weapons Free Zone (CANNWFZ) is being opposed by the US, France, and the UK on grounds that four of the nations are part of the 1992 Tashkent Collective Security Treaty with Russia which requires Russian nuclear weapons to be used in the event of ANY hostilities as aid to those nations. The CANWFZ specifically allows that treay to stay put. So even though those nations agree to not develop or deploy nuclear on their soil, they are, by proxy, armed with nuclear weapons. It's a have "your cake and eat it, too" situation. The nations involved with the treay are in the lousy position of possibly pissing off both Russia and the US which are both working partners in the region. I do believe this will be resolved as some concessions where made just this year with the treaty and that the US will sign on, but only after tensions with Iran, a neighboring nation, subside a little. The US has signed three other NWFZ treaties and is, at least in spirit, for the idea.
"Considering the US has the most nuclear weapons, engages in the most wars, threatens non-nuclear countries with nuclear weapons, other countries have an incentive to develop nukes. The ironic thing is that only the US has hundreds of thousands of Marines that can be deployed and a strong worldwide military deployment capability -- eliminating nukes will not weaken that capability."
You are mostly correct in the beginning of that statement. By most estimates, Russia still has the most nuclear weapons. The US has more ICBM's. Russia lacks delivery methods for most of it's arsenal, though. There is a real effort and pressure to reduce our stockpile not only of nuclear but of chemical weapons as well. I
In a domain environment, wholes drives are default shared as C$, etc. For your situation, you could just manually share the entire drive and then pick and chose what to back up in BackupPC or just use you folder shares (which is what I do). I have a media share for movies, music, etc. and a document share for all my important files. I run out of a VMWare image that I have backed up to a DVD so if the whole system dies, I just copy the image back and restore the data. I had an electrical outtage and was able to pop this into a virtual machine on my laptop in about 20 minutes when I needed the system up immediately and not wait for the power company (gotta love laptops during a thunderstorm;-). The link to the software I provided in the grandfather post has excellent documentation. If you want something a bit more polished for home use, check out some of the for-pay offerings from Acronis, another company with exceptional support.
Seriously though, Newisys and IBM have chipsets to do 32 Opterons, but why? That market doen't need it for the trouble it would be. Right now, you can do four way glue-less and eight way with little trouble. The next revision, in Decemeber - March-ish timeframe, K8L adds more interconnects, the ability to split HT connections to 8 bits to double connections, and 4 cores per die. This all adds up to 32 way glue-less for a total of 128 cores. The real reason why you don't see large scale single bus style Opterons, is that the combination of the current HyperTransport (ver. 1) and NUMA make for a very chatty bus, which causes performance issues related to scale. The point of HT is that it is routable and switchable by HT chips on the bus-lines, a la Cray. It's just hardly anybody does it.
Microsoft changed their licensing structure so that if you run Server 2003 Enterprise, four VM's of equal or lessor license are free. That effectively caused my company to drop VMWare ESX servers and switch to Virtual Server (VMwares free version counts under this license change as does Xen when it arrives for windows). We estimate saving an average of ~$2700 per server and consolidating to 25% overall physical servers. I don't know how MS is getting this past DOJ, but it is a hell of a deal and almost completely kills ESX (even though VMWares products are head and shoulders aboves MS's...they are insanely priced).
If the host OS is Server 2003 Enterprise, then you get up to four VM licenses for free. It also doesn't matter if the infrastructure is Virtual Server or VMware (or anything else). We consdolidated a few servers and saved nearly $20K in licensing.
Okay, I'll give it the Slashdot norm, but nobody gets what this is. It a hypertransport socket for not just another CPU, but ANYTHING you would want to connect directly to memory and CPU. No PCI or other slow bus.
There are already Xilinx cards available because this has been used in Cray supercomputers for a while (the Opteron ones anyways). This means AMD can counter ANYTHING Intel puts out because you can just slap a $20 speciality DSP on the mobo which could easily be 100x faster than that Intel chip at whatever small set of functions it needs. Video cards are already in the works for this along with all kinds of audio and video stuff. I seem to remember one manufacturer has a RAID processor. The possibilities are endless.
If you go with gigabit ethernet as opposed to fiberchannel or infiniband, be sure to verify every thing support jumbo frames and has good tcp offload. I built a NAS in the earlier days of gigabit and the CPU's were pushing 30% just on framing overhead.
Just another one of those things to look for. Personally, I recommend an IBM Shark or EMC, but you would be talking 7 figures.
You can drag and drop a PDF onto any Postscript level 3 printer and it will just print. No driver, no hassles. It's been that way for years. PDF is mostly just a fancy EPS (encapsulated postscript for you youngin's).
I have a laptop with a Broadcom 4306 and my AP is set for WPA-PSK (TKIP) and it works great with the new Network Manager (there were a couple of very minor gotchas that resolutions to are in the forums). The cool thing is that it now does WPA personal, enterprise (PEAP, LEAP, etc.), and WPA2, so it is ahead of Windows on this one.
You might want to verify your card is supported (there is also ndiswrapper to use windows drivers but it is a lot more hands-on) before installing, however. Hey, if they can do Broadcom's, they should be able to figure out anything.
If you add Winpooch to ClamWin, it becomes realtime. You also get antispyware, etc. from WinPooch. It's a good combo, but it can intimidate some users. I usually recommend ESET's for-pay NOD32 over everything.
Pearl Harbor. Debunked many, many times. The best anyone can claim is that we underestimated and were imcompetent
Operation Paper Clip. I would say this is actually a good thing. Northwoods was one of the projects to get as many of the scientific aparatus of the Nazi's before the Russians did. It lead to NASA, our nuclear program, and many other advances. I am assuming the error you are referring to here is that many of these people committed war crimes and were never prosecuted. Tough. They weren't living it up in the US; most were nearly slaves. Fare trade
Intentionally uncured syphallis experiments. I am assuming you are primarily Tuskegee. This one you got right. It was horrible and a perfect example of abuse of power and utter lack of anything resembling a sense of humanity at the government. A huge black mark against our entire society.
Unwitting LSD experiments. I am assuming you are referring to MKULTRA and associated projects. Although largely unsupported, I'll stipulate that this actually happened and to the scale that is widely reported. The people reportedly involved are also pretty much wack-jobs and I don't doubt they were capable of this. I don't think this rises to anywhere near to the level of other 'experiments', however, such as what was done to thousands of American troops testing nuclear weapons or NBC inoculations.
Northwoods documents. A false flag op proposal that was never implemented and shot down by the COJCOS and POTUS. There are lots and lots of proposals like this every year. Welcome to military thought processes
Various Church committee revelations. Bingo! Now you hit closer to the discussion at hand. The Church Committee refers to the Congressional oversight (or lack thereof) previous to Watergate. Before the public scandal, most ops in the US had very little oversight at all. Today, at least a bunch of somebodies (a couple of committees, the Joint Chiefs, Prez, etc.) are supposed to know what's going on and have a measure of control. These type of ops are nasty, ugly, unethical, and sometimes illegal. The world is not a happy place. The idea of the oversight is to only use as much force as is necessary. Trust me, we are a lot more reserved than just about anybody else out there (or at least pre-9/11 we were). The English and Isreali's have no problem killing anyone anytime. The French are frickin terrifying in what they do. Pretty much ever non-western intelligence apparatus makes us look like boyscouts.
Waco. Huh? This was overzealousness and stupidity, nothing more. Ruby Ridge. See - Waco
Abu Gharib. This is a little closer to the issue at hand, which is lack of oversight or a disregard for humanity as a whole. High value assets can be subjects to all kinds of horrible things in the pursuit of data, but that isn't what happened here. This is what happens when people think they know what they are doing, aren't particularly smart, and have no one to tell them to stop. This should have never happened and further illustrates the breakdown in control and professionalism in the Bush administration
Guantanamo Bay. This type of thing has been happening for a long long time (decades). Unfortunately necessary in certain situations, the way it has been handled and the fact that it has been made public is a really bad thing. Playing dirty is one thing, being dirty is another.
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Sorry to confuse...those would be gigaBIT chips not BYTES. Translation: density goes up, price goes down.
Samsung already has single chip 32GB flash as of September of last year and expect to hit 64GB this year. You can buy 16GB solutions already for less than $300 in onesy-twosy retail (and generally a chunk less for millions of them).
There is no reason not to think 64GB of flash will be down to $300 retail Summer of '08.
Gee, maybe pulling drivers out of the kernel and maintaining a stable ABI might allow manufacturers to release better drivers.
There are known issues with a few sound cards and RAID or SCSI cards eating up the bandwidth of the PCI bus that cause this. I have an AMD 3000+ running three simultaneous high def streams and no stutter.
I have worked contracts for several companies that have lost secrets due to camera phones and the only cell phones allowed, and only in certain areas, are company issued ones at these sites.
They did this with Server when it was in beta. The idea being that they were offering this free so they could gather bug data from a large pool of users. It got turned off when product got close to gold so they could test performance. Some intrepid users figured out how to turn it off with a little manipulation (rename two folders and change one config file line). It makes a pretty big difference in performance.
I suggest checking the VMWare forums about it.
Well, I am 35 and I heard that loud and clear OVER my stereo playing. The cats also flew out of the room.
Cool...
That would be a huge legal mess in the US for far too many reasons. A company has to either have a very specific and bonded contract (I worked at a not too large financial services company that asked for a $100 million bond for document storage from an offsite company to cover accidental disclosure liability) or they have to own the servers and keep them on premises. This applies to anyone who has an HR department, payroll, accounting, works with the SEC or NASD, deals with anything patient record related, etc...so basically banking, insurance, medicine, financial services, law, and all ancillary industries would be precluded from using this service.
Also, no manager would ever sign off on offsiting critical documents (a service companies lifeblood) for anything but backup or disaster recovery AKA business continuity.
Dell, et al. HAVE documentation. They signed legally binding NDA's and contracts. There is serious money involved. I still don't get why everyone thinks the community should be the ones to wirte the drivers. Make a stable ABI and allow manufacturers to write the drivers as they see fit and protect their IP.
Other options is for OS people sacrifice any ability to work in their field and sign life-long NDA's and non-com's to gain acess to the info or have bounties to raise the millions to BUY the information and form business contacts with manufacturers. Personally I would like to see a fully functioning HAL and pull nearly all drivers out of the kernel and rewrite the ABI to use Windows drivers. We would never have an incompatibility again.
"The USSR, when it existed, several times suggested getting rid of all nuclear weapons. The US rejected their proposals."
This never happened. I don't even have to cite a source on this one. I would like to point out that at least as current as Yeltsin, Russia still had a first strike nuclear doctrine. Russia's nuclear arsenal has dwindled rapidly, however due to economic issues and the hard work of Senator Lugar and his Nunn-Lugar Cooperative which has been using US tax dollars to PAY the Russians to disarm (on fo the few use of my tax dollars I approve of). Russia's current nuclear arsenal is used as deterrant towards China, North Korea, and Iran (cited from Jane's and CDI)
" The nuclear non-proliferation treaty requires that nuclear powers work towards nuclear disarmament. The US rejects all proposals calling for nuclear disarmament."
The NNP Treaty actually has three parts: non-proliferation, disarmament, and the right to peacefully use nuclear tech. Part one allows for all of the then current nuclear powers to remain so. Those nations just happen to be the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council. The rule states that those nations will not give the technology to any other nation and will not use nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear nation (although France, the US, and Britain have recently said "rogue states" are fair game.). Part two deals with disarmament. The US has decreased it's stockpile considerably and continues to do so. The Bush administration was the first to try and reverse this although they seem to have had that idea squashed in Congress. The NNP specifically states that disarmament is voluntary and any nation may opt out for a time if they have a perceived threat that necessitates it. I, and a hell of a lot of my fellow citizens, think we do. The idea of the treaty was to reduce pressure on other nations to develop their own weapons in response to perceived "pressure" from nuclear powers to do so. It has worked so far but more needs to be done. To say the US has not reduced it's stockpile is bull, however.
" Presently, 4 of the Central Asian *stan countries are organizing to declare themselves a "nuclear free zone" forbidding all nuclear weapons from their territory. What country is working diplomatically and is pressuring them to scuttle the nuclear free zone idea? The US."
The Central Asian Nuclear Weapons Free Zone (CANNWFZ) is being opposed by the US, France, and the UK on grounds that four of the nations are part of the 1992 Tashkent Collective Security Treaty with Russia which requires Russian nuclear weapons to be used in the event of ANY hostilities as aid to those nations. The CANWFZ specifically allows that treay to stay put. So even though those nations agree to not develop or deploy nuclear on their soil, they are, by proxy, armed with nuclear weapons. It's a have "your cake and eat it, too" situation. The nations involved with the treay are in the lousy position of possibly pissing off both Russia and the US which are both working partners in the region. I do believe this will be resolved as some concessions where made just this year with the treaty and that the US will sign on, but only after tensions with Iran, a neighboring nation, subside a little. The US has signed three other NWFZ treaties and is, at least in spirit, for the idea.
"Considering the US has the most nuclear weapons, engages in the most wars, threatens non-nuclear countries with nuclear weapons, other countries have an incentive to develop nukes. The ironic thing is that only the US has hundreds of thousands of Marines that can be deployed and a strong worldwide military deployment capability -- eliminating nukes will not weaken that capability."
You are mostly correct in the beginning of that statement. By most estimates, Russia still has the most nuclear weapons. The US has more ICBM's. Russia lacks delivery methods for most of it's arsenal, though. There is a real effort and pressure to reduce our stockpile not only of nuclear but of chemical weapons as well. I
IBM's attorneys are generally considered to be the best in the US. Yes, they have a wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cravath,_Swaine_&_Moo re. David Boies attorney used to work for them...hmmm.
In a domain environment, wholes drives are default shared as C$, etc. For your situation, you could just manually share the entire drive and then pick and chose what to back up in BackupPC or just use you folder shares (which is what I do). I have a media share for movies, music, etc. and a document share for all my important files. I run out of a VMWare image that I have backed up to a DVD so if the whole system dies, I just copy the image back and restore the data. I had an electrical outtage and was able to pop this into a virtual machine on my laptop in about 20 minutes when I needed the system up immediately and not wait for the power company (gotta love laptops during a thunderstorm ;-). The link to the software I provided in the grandfather post has excellent documentation. If you want something a bit more polished for home use, check out some of the for-pay offerings from Acronis, another company with exceptional support.
BackupPC works great and can grab anything via SMB (give it admin access and get the whole drive via the standard C$ admin share). Try it out.
Well, since I am on Linux and a 64 bit variant, I guess it will be another 10 years when I get to see the presentation.
Yeah Cray can't seem to get them to scale at all.
Seriously though, Newisys and IBM have chipsets to do 32 Opterons, but why? That market doen't need it for the trouble it would be. Right now, you can do four way glue-less and eight way with little trouble. The next revision, in Decemeber - March-ish timeframe, K8L adds more interconnects, the ability to split HT connections to 8 bits to double connections, and 4 cores per die. This all adds up to 32 way glue-less for a total of 128 cores. The real reason why you don't see large scale single bus style Opterons, is that the combination of the current HyperTransport (ver. 1) and NUMA make for a very chatty bus, which causes performance issues related to scale. The point of HT is that it is routable and switchable by HT chips on the bus-lines, a la Cray. It's just hardly anybody does it.
They scale fine.
Microsoft changed their licensing structure so that if you run Server 2003 Enterprise, four VM's of equal or lessor license are free. That effectively caused my company to drop VMWare ESX servers and switch to Virtual Server (VMwares free version counts under this license change as does Xen when it arrives for windows). We estimate saving an average of ~$2700 per server and consolidating to 25% overall physical servers. I don't know how MS is getting this past DOJ, but it is a hell of a deal and almost completely kills ESX (even though VMWares products are head and shoulders aboves MS's...they are insanely priced).
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PathScale Infiniband card. Lowest latency infiniband neworking card in existance (1.5 microseconds).
http://www.supercomputingonline.com/article.php?s
Xilinx card
Articles about HTX and 4x4 (Torrenza) tie in:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20060607
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_573
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/06/02/qanda_amd_vp_ra
There are many more, but this is a start.
If the host OS is Server 2003 Enterprise, then you get up to four VM licenses for free. It also doesn't matter if the infrastructure is Virtual Server or VMware (or anything else). We consdolidated a few servers and saved nearly $20K in licensing.
Okay, I'll give it the Slashdot norm, but nobody gets what this is. It a hypertransport socket for not just another CPU, but ANYTHING you would want to connect directly to memory and CPU. No PCI or other slow bus.
There are already Xilinx cards available because this has been used in Cray supercomputers for a while (the Opteron ones anyways). This means AMD can counter ANYTHING Intel puts out because you can just slap a $20 speciality DSP on the mobo which could easily be 100x faster than that Intel chip at whatever small set of functions it needs. Video cards are already in the works for this along with all kinds of audio and video stuff. I seem to remember one manufacturer has a RAID processor. The possibilities are endless.
If you go with gigabit ethernet as opposed to fiberchannel or infiniband, be sure to verify every thing support jumbo frames and has good tcp offload. I built a NAS in the earlier days of gigabit and the CPU's were pushing 30% just on framing overhead.
Just another one of those things to look for. Personally, I recommend an IBM Shark or EMC, but you would be talking 7 figures.
You can drag and drop a PDF onto any Postscript level 3 printer and it will just print. No driver, no hassles. It's been that way for years. PDF is mostly just a fancy EPS (encapsulated postscript for you youngin's).
I have a laptop with a Broadcom 4306 and my AP is set for WPA-PSK (TKIP) and it works great with the new Network Manager (there were a couple of very minor gotchas that resolutions to are in the forums). The cool thing is that it now does WPA personal, enterprise (PEAP, LEAP, etc.), and WPA2, so it is ahead of Windows on this one.
You might want to verify your card is supported (there is also ndiswrapper to use windows drivers but it is a lot more hands-on) before installing, however. Hey, if they can do Broadcom's, they should be able to figure out anything.
Ubuntu Desktop is just a metapackage. It's safe to remove and will not affect anything. I stumbled on that one, too.
If you add Winpooch to ClamWin, it becomes realtime. You also get antispyware, etc. from WinPooch. It's a good combo, but it can intimidate some users. I usually recommend ESET's for-pay NOD32 over everything.
Remember the Maine.
Last ruled accidental
Pearl Harbor.
Debunked many, many times. The best anyone can claim is that we underestimated and were imcompetent
Operation Paper Clip.
I would say this is actually a good thing. Northwoods was one of the projects to get as many of the scientific aparatus of the Nazi's before the Russians did. It lead to NASA, our nuclear program, and many other advances. I am assuming the error you are referring to here is that many of these people committed war crimes and were never prosecuted. Tough. They weren't living it up in the US; most were nearly slaves. Fare trade
Intentionally uncured syphallis experiments.
I am assuming you are primarily Tuskegee. This one you got right. It was horrible and a perfect example of abuse of power and utter lack of anything resembling a sense of humanity at the government. A huge black mark against our entire society.
Unwitting LSD experiments.
I am assuming you are referring to MKULTRA and associated projects. Although largely unsupported, I'll stipulate that this actually happened and to the scale that is widely reported. The people reportedly involved are also pretty much wack-jobs and I don't doubt they were capable of this. I don't think this rises to anywhere near to the level of other 'experiments', however, such as what was done to thousands of American troops testing nuclear weapons or NBC inoculations.
Northwoods documents.
A false flag op proposal that was never implemented and shot down by the COJCOS and POTUS. There are lots and lots of proposals like this every year. Welcome to military thought processes
Various Church committee revelations.
Bingo! Now you hit closer to the discussion at hand. The Church Committee refers to the Congressional oversight (or lack thereof) previous to Watergate. Before the public scandal, most ops in the US had very little oversight at all. Today, at least a bunch of somebodies (a couple of committees, the Joint Chiefs, Prez, etc.) are supposed to know what's going on and have a measure of control. These type of ops are nasty, ugly, unethical, and sometimes illegal. The world is not a happy place. The idea of the oversight is to only use as much force as is necessary. Trust me, we are a lot more reserved than just about anybody else out there (or at least pre-9/11 we were). The English and Isreali's have no problem killing anyone anytime. The French are frickin terrifying in what they do. Pretty much ever non-western intelligence apparatus makes us look like boyscouts.
Waco.
Huh? This was overzealousness and stupidity, nothing more.
Ruby Ridge.
See - Waco
Abu Gharib.
This is a little closer to the issue at hand, which is lack of oversight or a disregard for humanity as a whole. High value assets can be subjects to all kinds of horrible things in the pursuit of data, but that isn't what happened here. This is what happens when people think they know what they are doing, aren't particularly smart, and have no one to tell them to stop. This should have never happened and further illustrates the breakdown in control and professionalism in the Bush administration
Guantanamo Bay.
This type of thing has been happening for a long long time (decades). Unfortunately necessary in certain situations, the way it has been handled and the fact that it has been made public is a really bad thing. Playing dirty is one thing, being dirty is another.