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Ubuntu 6.06 'Dapper Drake' Released

BBSeXoDuS writes "Ubuntu Dapper Drake has been finally been released. Run on over to the download site while it's still hot. From the announcement: 'Ubuntu 6.06 LTS introduces functionality that simplifies common Linux server deployment processes. For system administrators setting up large numbers of web, mail and related servers, Ubuntu 6.06 LTS offers the fastest and most consistent path to deployment, combined with the availability of global commercial support where needed.' "

435 comments

  1. Oh, the humanity! by minginqunt · · Score: 2, Funny

    It is... *sniffs delicately*... brown?

    1. Re:Oh, the humanity! by henriquemaia · · Score: 3, Funny

      Orange. And brown.

    2. Re:Oh, the humanity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yeah... it's still pretty brown.
      And sorta orange. But mostly brown.

      Protip: Make your GRUB brown, too!
      sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.bak
      sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst


      Change the "# Pretty colours" section to:

      color white/brown white/red

      and you, too can have a colorful GRUB that matches your OS.
    3. Re:Oh, the humanity! by exit3219 · · Score: 1

      Kubuntu is blue ;)

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    4. Re:Oh, the humanity! by Crizp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And I'm glad Ubuntu is orange and brown - a very welcome change from that oh-so-2000's blue.

      Several others have started using it, I believe Terracotta will be to 2007 what blue was for 2000.

    5. Re:Oh, the humanity! by omeg · · Score: 1

      No, actually, it's orange. We changed the official color for this release.

    6. Re:Oh, the humanity! by fsapo · · Score: 0

      Nope, the default theme now is ORANGE!

      And also it comes with a nice Tangerine Theme! :)

    7. Re:Oh, the humanity! by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1
      It is... *sniffs delicately*... brown?

      Well, what do you expect? They even called their newest baby "Diaper Drake"...

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      Ah, arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari
    8. Re:Oh, the humanity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Several others have started using it, I believe Terracotta will be to 2007 what blue was for 2000. Others?

    9. Re:Oh, the humanity! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Precisely.

      But I have to say that I believe the ubuntu colors to be chosen for warmth, readability & usability, rather then out of some nebulous fashion need.

      Other operating systems can have their bling, colors everywhere, metallic nonsense if they like. I think ubuntu's scheme looks great & more importantly, my eyes feel great after working with it for hours.

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    10. Re:Oh, the humanity! by BiggyP · · Score: 0, Troll

      Vibrant but still equally unpleasant, do you know if the screenshots on http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop are of the finished article or various pre-release stages?

      Do we now treat ubuntu as a single user OS and assume everyone will be switching off rather than logging out, or is that not the message the sodding great power button and a 'Quit' caption gives? Are the icons all peculiarly mangled just for fun, i see a certain amount of Tango, some throwbacks to GNOME default and some pretty horrible ubuntu specific ones. OO.o still seems to have its set of GNOME style icons, does it make sense to change most of the system and leave the icons in one of its most important components? Oh, and what's the power button in the top-right corner for, is it a quick 'Quit' button?

      I'm sorry to sound so negative, and i haven't actually downloaded the liveCD myself yet to find out, but what i've seen of the new graphics has yet to convince me that it was a good move.

    11. Re:Oh, the humanity! by DenmaFat · · Score: 1

      Brown is the new blue.

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    12. Re:Oh, the humanity! by idonthack · · Score: 1

      The brown reminds me of the old amber monochrome displays of yore. :)

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      Why is it that when you believe something it's an opinion, but when I believe something it's a manifesto?
    13. Re:Oh, the humanity! by eclectro · · Score: 1

      Yeah... it's still pretty brown.

      Well we know what part of the project the UPS man works on.

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    14. Re:Oh, the humanity! by BiggyP · · Score: 1

      Well i was actually after an answer to the questions posed, not simply trolling, oh well i guess this is /. and i did just criticise the worlds current favourite distro.

    15. Re:Oh, the humanity! by mortram · · Score: 1

      The final 6.06 actually includes some additional themes (beyond the very dated Crux, Gorilla, etc.) which are pretty attractive, for those who like greys and blues. Tango is also included.

    16. Re:Oh, the humanity! by Pecisk · · Score: 1

      I certainly support your comment. Ubuntu Dapper's brown/yellow is so calm on eyes that I don't even notice how long I work. And I work long and with lot of open windows.

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  2. Been there done that! by s31523 · · Score: 3, Informative

    OK, we got the post of "almost" released, and I was waiting for the "released" post!

    Anyway, I moved to the 6.06 RC from Breezy 5.10 and it was smooth. My laptop is loving the new Network Manager and updated Xorg with Gnome 2.0. It is a very nice package. I think Ubuntu will be on the forefront of competitive alternative OS's to Windows, especially if Vista keeps slipping!

    1. Re:Been there done that! by Yuioup · · Score: 1

      I think so.

      Vista opens a window of opportunity for Linux to finally make its way on to the Desktops of many disenchanted users. Ubuntu should be the first one to fly right through it!!

      (The puns in the last paragraph were very much intended).

      Y

    2. Re:Been there done that! by meh13579 · · Score: 1

      For some reason the thought of throwing a penguin through a window made me chuckle just a little bit.

    3. Re:Been there done that! by brother+bloat · · Score: 1

      That's because you're insane...

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    4. Re:Been there done that! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      For some reason the thought of throwing a penguin through a window made me chuckle just a little bit.

      Especially if you visualise it copping a chair flying the other way...

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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    5. Re:Been there done that! by s31523 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Disenchanted and those who do not want to shell out hundreds of dollars for a crappy OS. For work I needed to by a copy of XP Pro because of a compiler and other tools that were old and wouldn't run under Linux (using Crossover/Wine). I shuttered when I paid $78 for XP Pro and kept saying "it's a tax deduction" to justify it.
      For most people however, using their email and word processing, photo software, digital cameras, multimedia CD/DVD burning is all they need an Ubuntu works. There is a lot of DVD and CD burning software out there. I just installed Nero for Linux and it's great! The only thing really missing is a good DVD authoring program. QDVD author tries to put a GUI front-end on DVD author, but it sucks.

      The next step for Ubuntu is to get application developers to crank out some decent multimedia software packages. At that point I can't see why any "normal" user would want to use Windows.

    6. Re:Been there done that! by pedalman · · Score: 1
      For some reason the thought of throwing a penguin through a window made me chuckle just a little bit.
      This is good entertainment, too: http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf
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      Friends don't let friends line-dance.
    7. Re:Been there done that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully, it's Gnome 2.14. Gnome 2.0 sucked greatly, but it has become quite pleasant now.

    8. Re:Been there done that! by dsginter · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think Ubuntu will be on the forefront of competitive alternative OS's to Windows, especially if Vista keeps slipping!

      From this day forth, all non-Ubuntu operating systems should be referred to as "Non-Canonical OSes".

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    9. Re:Been there done that! by slack_prad · · Score: 1, Informative

      yes it's gnome 2.14.1

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    10. Re:Been there done that! by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 1

      Can't k3b do this? Last time I used it it was pretty full featured.

      Using Nero for Linux is a situation I would rather people didn't have to face.

    11. Re:Been there done that! by Andy+Somnifac · · Score: 2, Insightful
      At that point I can't see why any "normal" user would want to use Windows.

      Because most "normal" users don't even realize that an alternative is out there. People are used to being spoon fed, which Microsoft does (with a very large and forceful spoon). If you say the word "Linux" to most people, they'll think you're talking about a piano playing Peanuts character. We won't even go into the looks you'll get when you start using names like "Ubuntu."

      It has been shown that a large percentage of Americans (yes, I'm going to stick to one country, as I can't speak for anyone else) don't care that their personal freedoms and rights are being eroded. Do you really think they care where their OS comes from?

      For most "normal" users XP works. They just want to look at myspace, play their games, and download their porn. For these purposes, as far as their concerned, XP does what they need.

    12. Re:Been there done that! by PhoenixPath · · Score: 1

      Like making penguins fly?

      Check out YetiSports. In Pingu-Throw there are no windows, but you get to hit 'em with a bat and see how far you can make 'em go.

      www.yetisports.org/

    13. Re:Been there done that! by s31523 · · Score: 1

      True, that is why the word needs to get out. I would not be surprised if Ubuntu goes mainstream, decides to offer an IPO and just prior starts running some commercials similar to those new Mac comercials (which are kinda funny). Then when people go to buy their new Dell for $499 and have to pay $200 for the new Windows Vista, they might say hey, what about the free Ubuntu thing?

      A pipe dream, I know, but weirder things have happened!

    14. Re:Been there done that! by bodger_uk · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes, yes, to all of the above, but there is one question over software remaining. Video editing. This is the one thing stopping me moving my final system (and my Dad's system) to linux. Pinnacle are not too bad at supplying drivers (or at least they weren't last time I checked) but not software. I've never found anything that could take it's place.

      I welcome any suggestions.

    15. Re:Been there done that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cinelerra, over at heroinewarrior.com, is supposed to be some kind of video editing thing.

    16. Re:Been there done that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now watch as another application becomes "what I need to keep windows for".

      Sigh

    17. Re:Been there done that! by BiggyP · · Score: 1

      In the version i currently have installed it has no obvious wizard capable of transcoding an xvid video to MPEG2 before putting them in the right place and producing a custom menu for DVD use, this doesn't matter to me but it does to an awful lot of other users. Nero for linux, or at least the version i've used, offers no such bells and whistles, you'd be hard pressed to find a reason to use it over any of the Free linux burners.

    18. Re:Been there done that! by Sod75 · · Score: 1

      not sure if its what you want but get around with Kino fine...

    19. Re:Been there done that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe you need the Nero Vision Authoring (or whatever its called) package. Due to the licencing of MPEG2, they sell it separately. I don't know whether its available for Linux, but kudos to Nero for supporting the OS in the first place. Many companies would just say 'only supported on Windows' and that'd be that.

      Perhaps if people bought this kind of stuff, companies would realise there's a market for linux software and make more.

    20. Re:Been there done that! by martonlorand · · Score: 1

      For DVD authoring theres KMediaFactory - I used Qdvdauthor and dint like it. KMediaFactory is pretty easy too use - true it doesnt have that many features. But for basic home DVD authoring its just fine... A bit like iDVD...

    21. Re:Been there done that! by s31523 · · Score: 1

      I try to run my Windows software that I need under Crossover Office (commercial version of WINE). Check it out, they give it out for a free test drive and its a breeze to install.

    22. Re:Been there done that! by scum-e-bag · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's some info from the mplayer homepage which should allow you to transcode your avi files to mpg for VCD:

      PAL VCD
      mencoder -oac lavc -ovc lavc -of mpeg -mpegopts format=xvcd -vf scale=352:288,harddup -srate 44100 -af lavcresample=44100 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video:keyint=15:vrc_buf_size=327:vrc_m inrate=1152:vbitrate=1152:vrc_maxrate=1152:acodec= mp2:abitrate=224 -ofps 25 -o movie.mpg movie.avi

      NTSC VCD
      mencoder -oac lavc -ovc lavc -of mpeg -mpegopts format=xvcd -vf scale=352:240,harddup -srate 44100 -af lavcresample=44100 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video:keyint=18:vrc_buf_size=327:vrc_m inrate=1152:vbitrate=1152:vrc_maxrate=1152:acodec= mp2:abitrate=224 -ofps 30000/1001 -o movie.mpg movie.avi

      You then convert the mpg to VCD image using vcdimager
      vcdimager movie.mpg

      This creates vidoecd.bin and videocd.cue

      Then use cdrdao to write the whole thing to CD

      cdrdao write --device /dev/hdc videocd.cue

      As for custom menus in linux... is there a way?

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      Does it go on forever?
    23. Re:Been there done that! by sunya · · Score: 1

      if you are okay with non-free then Mainconcept make a pretty decent video editor. On the Free/free front Jahshaka hit rc3(?) recently. On KDE you have KDEnlive....

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    24. Re:Been there done that! by HiThere · · Score: 1

      It will. It already is. E.g., I still keep a MSWind95 machine around to run an old copy of Passport Designs Encore. I'd love to switch that machine to Linux, but I can't. Rosegarden and NoteEdit aren't even approximately good enough (or weren't the last time I checked a few months ago).

      Different people have differing needs. Live with it. There will always be someone who can't change for perfectly legitimate reasons. The trick is to cut down their numbers. Each new niche that Linux is "good enough" in removes a potential monopoly.

      P.S.: The only way Linux could be "good enough" would be if Wine or Win4Lin got good enough. Encore can't export it's files in any public format without much loss of information. A work around that's in place is to incrementally print out the files, and then scan them in on a Mac, and have a scan-file reader that works with MakeMusic Finale scan them into Finale. Then you've only lost the text...generally. And for this kind of file that's relatively easy to add. So now I have the files "locked into" Finale. Midi export loses the notations, and frequently even the quantization ("is this speed note a quarter note, or a half note? or possibly an eighth note?"). (I really need to check on what an "Enigma transportable file" is. That may be a portable export format that Finale can generate.)

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    25. Re:Been there done that! by JazzLad · · Score: 0

      Four words: WIFI on cheap laptops. My new Acer laptop has one of those crappy broadcomm wifi cards that has no linux drivers. Sure, I can use ndiswrapper, but now it becomes harder for the average joe. Also, until Linux becomes better at hopping from AP to AP regardless of encryption (obv. still need a key ;)) with the ease of XP, I will still need XP when I'm on the go. It sucks, I dual boot w/ ubuntu for when I'm tethered (wired nic works great) but I am not geek enough to find it easy to change my wifi settings every time I go from home to work to a friend's house to perhaps a client's office to home. Just not worth it. Mad props to those of you doing it, I'm just not geek enough. -JazzLad -- Sorry for spelling/grammar errors. I was raised in the USA, we're lucky I can read/write ;)

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    26. Re:Been there done that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Broadcom wireless card on my laptop as well and I've previously always had to use ndiswrapper to get it working. However, Ubuntu Dapper was actually the first Linux distribution that detected it and included drivers for it out of the box. I haven't had to do anything to get my wireless card working as it just worked out of the box on Dapper. I suggest trying the live CD if you're interested.

    27. Re:Been there done that! by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      At that point I can't see why any "normal" user would want to use Windows. Games like Oblivion, Call of Duty 2 and UT2004 to name a few.

    28. Re:Been there done that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err. UT2004 has a native linux client. Just so ya know. But yeah, I know what you mean. I'm sure I'll install that Vista crap about the same time that Elder Scrolls V comes out. *grumble*

    29. Re:Been there done that! by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      With critical patches backported from 2.14.2. And 2.14.2 will be made available through the dapper-updates repository.

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    30. Re:Been there done that! by Andy+Somnifac · · Score: 1
      I'm all for that happening.

      All that's keeping me from dropping XP completely is a few games. If there was significant support for an alternative OS, complete with good time wasters, I mean diversions, I mean games, I'd be completely Windows free.

    31. Re:Been there done that! by DragonWriter · · Score: 1
      At that point I can't see why any "normal" user would want to use Windows.


      Because The Sims 2 and Rome: Total War (for example) aren't available on Linux.

      For the average user, an OS isn't an end to itself, but something to run other software on.
    32. Re:Been there done that! by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      Which games are holding you back? A lot of games are either made for Linux or will run with Wine or Cedega. Here's Cedega's game database, you should see if your games are supported.

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      "What is Internet Explorer 7? Are you saying we can't access the normal internet?" - I love tech support. Really.
    33. Re:Been there done that! by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if people bought this kind of stuff, companies would realise there's a market for linux software and make more.

      GNU/Linux needs closed software like it needs an NT kernel and a web browser called Internet Explorer.

    34. Re:Been there done that! by Andy+Somnifac · · Score: 1
      I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one still playing Ultima Online after all these years. I see that UO itself is supported, but I've yet to read about anyone having much success getting some of the helper apps (UOA, UOAM) to work reliably under Linux...

      Though it is completely possible that I've missed any success stories. If that's the case, I'd love it if someone could point me towards one.

    35. Re:Been there done that! by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      GNU/Linux needs closed software like it needs an NT kernel and a web browser called Internet Explorer.

      Exactly. I want free and open software to go with my free and open OS.

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      "What is Internet Explorer 7? Are you saying we can't access the normal internet?" - I love tech support. Really.
    36. Re:Been there done that! by sweescent · · Score: 1

      I see you have an affection for this OS; I'm trying to grow the same affection; however, I can not figure out how to connect my wireless to get online. Perhaps you can shed some light on this for me; mind you, I am not a computer geek; but I can follow instructions. Let me know if you can help.

      Sweescent

  3. Blast by alexmc · · Score: 0

    Bother. I just installed Ubuntu a few days ago. Now I'll have to test its upgrade procedure :-)

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    1. Re:Blast by s31523 · · Score: 1

      It should go pretty smoothly! I was actually impressed, since Linux and "smoothly" are not used in the same sentence very often, that is, until now!

    2. Re:Blast by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bother. I just installed Ubuntu a few days ago. Now I'll have to test its upgrade procedure :-)

      I've been tracking Dapper since flight 3, its as easy as:

      sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -yqq dist-upgrade

      (and wait)

      Alternatively, you could just boot & wait - the updater will update everything in the background for you :-)

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    3. Re:Blast by corvair2k1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I actually installed Breezy for the first time... Yesterday.

      However, I'm sure the upgrade process is pretty smooth for people who haven't mucked around in things yet. =)

      I'm quite happy about this upgrade, because I hear that there is greatly increased Mac PPC support (wifi, sound, etc.) Maybe it'll help with the heat issue I'm having as well...

    4. Re:Blast by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm generally amazed at how easy it is to get things working under Linux, so I'm
      interested to know what things prevent you from having a "smooth" experience with
      Linux.

      Care to embellish your original post?

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      *sigh* back to work...
    5. Re:Blast by s31523 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ATI Mobility 7500 Graphics Card
      Just could not get the DRI drivers to work right under Breezy 5.10, until about a month ago when Breezy released an Xorg update, then things went smoothly. Under Dapper things are even better, woooo hooo!

      Wi-Fi
      Wireless and wired networking was flaky. Was constantly dropping to a term session to restart or reconfigure networking. The manual setup for WPA access points sucked. All is forgiven in Dapper, since the new network manager rocks!
      Sound
      Could not get Breezy to record sound from my line-in at all. This sucked. Haven't tried this yet on Dapper
      DVD
      Playing DVDs was a bitch to figure out way back when (when I was a real newbie). Ripping DVDs on the other hand still sucks. DVD rip is cool, but combining ripped tracks into one new DVD title then burning back to a disc just doesn't work under linux. DVDAuthor is the best thing I have seen, but it doesn't work and is a pain to use, even the GUI for it, QDVDAuthor, sucks.
      Windows Programs
      I have several applications in Windows that I just need to run. I bought Crossover Office from codeweavers and this gets me several programs that I need, but falls short. Granted, this is a bit outside the scope, but it gets honorable mention.
      Automount
      Settings in my fstab file just get ignored. I have a FAT32 partition that I use to share crap between my Windows NTFS boot and my Linux boot. I added all the appropriate settings to fstab, but Gnome (or whoever) still mounts the FAT32 partition as read-only even though I commanded it to allow user mounts and RW mode.
      Installing Any Application From Source
      Since many applications out there only exist in source code (i.e. no .deb package) I end up trying to build and install the source code. This rarely "just works". This is the biggest pain in the ass. I am a software engineer and am quite familar with makefiles and compilers, etc. But sometimes after a long day of solving problems I just want to come home and not have a fight with my Linux box. There are several software apps that looked cool as a moose, but I couldn't get them to build and install from source.

      It is also worth mentioning that I started reacquainting myself with Linux about a year or so ago after abandoning Red Hat in the late 90's. Back in the 90's Linux was a real pain in the ass, hell getting my printer to do anyting back then before CUPS was like brain surgery... So I still have the stigma here and there. I have said this before, and I will say it again. Linux is today what Windows 95/98 was back when it came out, that is, for the most part things work, but every now and then you have to fight with something in a terminal window. I think the next 5 years will bring Linux to level that makes Windows look like a costly alternative to Linux, rahter than the view of Linux as a free alternative to Windows.

    6. Re:Blast by BecomingLumberg · · Score: 1
      I have an onboard CMedia 'Xear' soundcard on my mobo. I have yet to find a distro that can support it natively. I dont mind editing config files either, but since this is my first switch, I would like some guidance. Most of the forums I have seen assume the user is already adept at the environment, and asking a 'n00b' question will normally just get my flamed by a linux troll. Good times.

      That said, I will be trying Dapper Drake and hoping for the best.

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      If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.-TJ
    7. Re:Blast by zxnos · · Score: 1
      i can, perhaps, embellish. i installed the hedgehog on my hp notebook. i couldn't get wireless to work after a an hour of working on it under the AMD64 build. i know about ndiswrapper and all that. my clock won't work, my keyboard works like a cat, when it feels like it.

      i read the review posted under vista yesterday. it appears easy if you know all the commands. (like on windows and finding icons) my eyes glazed over when i read a bunch of small text, sudo apt-get... it feels like i just have to *know* the name of an app when i want to upgrade something. at least with icons i can search around until i find what i need.

      i am willing to give this new one a shot. can i just fire up the hedgehog and update? does broadcom wireless work under the new AMD64 build? if i could get wireless to work quickly i would start using this OS.

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    8. Re:Blast by AusIV · · Score: 1
      I could give you a list of bumps I've experienced with Linux. I ran into a bunch trying to install MythTV, and I'm running into even more trying to upgrade it. Lately, I've been trying to make my Ubuntu desktop connect to my Windows Laptop wirelessly to share the internet connection, but I've yet to get more than 1.0 mbs. A while back, I tried to install ZoneMinder on a friend's computer to help them do security at their farm. Zoneminder was a pain to get installed, and I later found out the card I had purchased didn't have Linux drivers (despite claims I'd seen before purchasing the card). Finally I decided to use the windows software that came with the card, and I had it up and running in under an hour. I'll grant you that most of these things stem from inexperience, but everyone has to start somewhere, and I've known people who gave up because it was difficult.

      Yes, there are lots of things that are easy to get running on Linux. Getting a LAMP webserver setup takes minutes. A samba server is a quick and easy way to interact with a windows network. I've found lots of tools that are cheaper and easier to use in Linux than they are in windows, that's why I have a Linux desktop, but there are certainly enough challenges for it to be a bit disconcerting.

    9. Re:Blast by RingDev · · Score: 0

      "I've been tracking Dapper since flight 3, its as easy as:
      sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -yqq dist-upgrade"

      Call me a lazy windows user (but I do dual boot Ubuntu), but is there a quick and easy GUI based way to do this? I mean with windows I can set it up to update automatically (download then prompt for install schedule) or I can run the update from the start menu.

      -Rick

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      "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
    10. Re:Blast by Moby+Cock · · Score: 2, Funny

      sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -yqq dist-upgrade

      As easy as that, huh?

      I just don't understand why Linux has not caught on with non-technical folks.

    11. Re:Blast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried to install it a couple days ago, but the liveCD installer died every time. I had to edit xorg.conf (and keep in mind I have barely a clue what I'm doing!) to get 640x480 working, and once I DID get into the GUI the installation failed every time.

      I don't think it likes my Radeon 9800XT very much?

    12. Re:Blast by moranar · · Score: 1

      Well, Ubuntu, as Windows, has a graphical update manager, called synaptic. You should change the repositories it uses from breezy to dapper. By the way, this is not doable in Windows, not without the not-so-quick-and-easy way of buying the upgrade, inserting the CD/DVD, and updating from there. This is not just "Windows Update".

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    13. Re:Blast by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The command line is hard! (For most people, not for me...) There is however no reason that they couldn't add this as a cron-job in the default install.

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    14. Re:Blast by moranar · · Score: 1

      Yes, as easy as that. Given that you're updating an entire operating system plus all the applications, I don't see how much easier it should be. Plus, this is possible also from a GUI, with synaptic.

      The OP left out the part in which you modify the package repositories list to point to dapper instead of previous releases, though.

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    15. Re:Blast by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Well, for Kubuntu, the process is easy. Go to webpage, read instructions, change "breezy" to "dapper" in the GUI package manger (Adept), click "Apply", then "Full Upgrade" then "Commit changes". When download/install is complete, reboot.

      Compared to the process for Windows major version upgrades, its actually a lot simpler. Unless the Vista->XP upgrade process is better than any previous Windows upgrade I've seen, quicker and probably far more reliable, too.

    16. Re:Blast by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Call me a lazy windows user

      Yes, I will - 'cause you didn't finish reading my post:

      Alternatively, you could just boot & wait - the updater will update everything in the background for you :-)

      Oh, and upgrading between major releases of windows has always needed physical media as far as I can tell, no updating via windows update for you!

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    17. Re:Blast by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just don't understand why Linux has not caught on with non-technical folks.

      I gave technical advice for a technical forum. Here's how you do it if you're non-techie:

      1) Boot.
      2) Go to update manager. It will tell you there's a new release.
      3) Choose upgrade.

      Can you tell me any other operating system that's easier to upgrade between major releases? I seriously fucking doubt it.

      Looking over your comments history, I'd say you deserve my nickname more then I do (have you read my diary yet?)

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    18. Re:Blast by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

      The Update Manager should automatically notify the user when a new release is available. You can either wait for its daily check or launch it from the "Administration" menu and click "Check". It will then notify you that there is a new release available, you click "upgrade" and it downloads and upgrades everything. I'm in the middle of downloading the upgrade right now (its a 700 MB download which is going to take close to two hours to download on my connection), but from what I've heard, the upgrade from breezy to dapper is um a breeze.

      I somehow doubt that Windows' automatic updates will get you to Vista quite as easily :)

    19. Re:Blast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've been using Dapper since last december, now it's released.

      Please somebody, tell me, where do I get the next cutting-edge/almost-working branch? Who cares about stability - I want functionality!

    20. Re:Blast by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The MANUAL GUI way to do this (the update-manager will do it automatically) is to run the "Synaptic Package Manager", click on the update or refresh or whatever it is button with the circling arrows icon on it... Then you "Mark All Upgrades" and finally "Apply".

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    21. Re:Blast by Soybean47 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're back on a hoary hedgehog build, you'll have to update to Breezy Badger before updating to Dapper Drake. Both are reasonably straightforward operations, but my undestanding is that it works best if you upgrade one version at a time.

      If you don't have much invested in your current install, though, it might be worthwhile to download a Dapper install disc and start from scratch. The upgrade path "shouldn't" cause any problems, but a clean install is just a touch more likely to go smoothly.

      As for the broadcom wireless... I don't have first-hand experience, but I hear good things about Dapper's wireless support. I know some people have, in fact, been able to get wireless working quickly under Dapper. Someone else may be able to give you more details about support for broadcom adapters, specifically.

    22. Re:Blast by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Long version of upgrade notes is here.
      Short version: running Update Manager from System/Administration menu should take care of everything

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    23. Re:Blast by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 1
      i am willing to give this new one a shot. can i just fire up the hedgehog and update?

      Not quite. You have to upgrade to the intermediate Breezy Badger first. Wifi should be better, my Atheros-based card didn't work in Hedgehog but worked fine in Badger. I'm going to be curious to see how things go with Drake...

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    24. Re:Blast by Knuckles · · Score: 1
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    25. Re:Blast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like Windows? Idiot.

    26. Re:Blast by natrius · · Score: 1

      It's easier than that. If you have a breeezy system that's fully updated, you should be able to run the graphical update manager and click a button to upgrade to dapper. Not only is this easier for non-technical users, but it also takes care of dependency issues and upgrade needs that apt-get alone isn't sophisticated enough to detect. Even if you're a command line guru, use the graphical update manager to upgrade to dapper.

    27. Re:Blast by Snover · · Score: 1

      Automount
      Settings in my fstab file just get ignored. I have a FAT32 partition that I use to share crap between my Windows NTFS boot and my Linux boot. I added all the appropriate settings to fstab, but Gnome (or whoever) still mounts the FAT32 partition as read-only even though I commanded it to allow user mounts and RW mode.


      Are you it's actually read-only and that you just don't have permissions to write to the partition? Try mounting it with -o umask=000.

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    28. Re:Blast by phaggood · · Score: 1

      > does broadcom wireless work under the new AMD64 build? if i could get wireless to work quickly i would start using this OS.

      I have Suse10.1 on the Presario V2630 which has the Broadcom 4318 mini pci - I'm using ndiswrapper plus the acer 64bit driver. Doesn't work under NEtworkmanager, NM *sees* the accesspoints but trying to connect it just times out - so on the commandline if I issue the command 'dhcpclient wlan0' I can connect.

      Hopefully, after Dapper finally downloads (nobody is > 18kbs and I'm AT a university) I'll take it home and give it a try.

    29. Re:Blast by Zooka · · Score: 1

      "Most of the forums I have seen assume the user is already adept at the environment, and asking a 'n00b' question will normally just get my flamed by a linux troll. Good times."

      Flaming of a 'n00b' is rare at the Ubuntu Forums. And since Ubuntu attracts a lot of n00bs, most beginner questions have been asked multiple times already. So if you are capable of using the forum Search....

    30. Re:Blast by s31523 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have no idea what the cause is. I know I can't open the drive in Gnome and do any write-related operations. I can't even umount the drive by right clicking in Gnome. I have to do it from terminal as sudo and then if I mount again as normal user I can write to the partition.
      Would the -o umask=000 be something to put in /etc/fstab? And, forgive the stupidity, what exactly does this do?

    31. Re:Blast by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      It'd be in the options section of that line in fstab.  Same place as your "rw" and other options, separated from the others by a comma, just like any other.

      Leave off the -o part, that's for if you're mounting from the command line (i.e. "mount -o umask=000 /dev/hda3 /mnt/windows")

      So, the line would look something like:

      /dev/hda3     /mnt/windows    vfat    rw,users,umask=000    0 0

      where the first part is the device, the second part is the path where you want to mount it, the third is the filesystem type, the fourth is options, and the last two zeros... I have no idea, I've never really gotten what those do, just leave them as zeros.  Something to do with the order in which things get mounted, I think.  Never been an issue for me.

      That's all from memory, so you might check it before you use it :)

    32. Re:Blast by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      You obviously haven't seen windows command line apps. They're MUCH worse, and just as common when you get into the few equally powerful things that windows actually offers. TIP: this *isn't* one of them; to do an upgrade like this on windows is *impossible*. The closest equivalent (upgrading via a CD you waited on, from windows 2000 to XP or something) takes longer, is less reliable, and breaks software.

    33. Re:Blast by rdoger6424 · · Score: 1

      Wait for Edgy Eft flight 1.

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    34. Re:Blast by rdoger6424 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I can just go to windows update and BOOM! I update from windows 98 to XP. No disk, no reboot required. Absolutely free.

      </sarcasm>

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    35. Re:Blast by rdoger6424 · · Score: 1

      You installed the beta. the normal install was released today. try downloading it again.

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    36. Re:Blast by NinjaPiratePanda · · Score: 1

      "i am willing to give this new one a shot. can i just fire up the hedgehog and update? does broadcom wireless work under the new AMD64 build? if i could get wireless to work quickly i would start using this OS."

      I'm running the AMD64 build on my laptop and my Broadcom wireless card was detected by the install and is working perfectly. This is the first Linux distribution where I didn't have to setup ndiswrapper for the wireless card. I suggest playing around with the live CD first if you're planning on doing the install and are a little hesitant.

      The main problems with 64 bit is that there is no flash plugin, no Java browser plugin and no win32 codecs available. If those items are really required they can be setup in a chroot environment which can be configured to be completely transparent to the user.

    37. Re:Blast by flosofl · · Score: 1

      The OP left out the part in which you modify the package repositories list to point to dapper instead of previous releases, though. Upgrading via apt takes care of that. My repos were all updated to the Dapper ones automagically

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    38. Re:Blast by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      OS X is that easy, with the caveat that the updates come on DVD and you have to stick the disk in first and double-click the icon.

      But anyway, if the GUI way is so easy... why would you bother giving the techie instructions? "Click update" is going to be a hell of a lot faster than opening a terminal window, whether or not you're a techie. So why bother with the sudo crap?

      This is pretty much my entire criticism of Linux users: they always recommend the hard way of doing things so they can look 1337 and get geekcred or whatever. It's basically the "high priesthood of technology" all over again.

    39. Re:Blast by CerebusUS · · Score: 1

      Sadly, this failed for me on my Ubuntu 5.10 server (no gui installed)

      dpkg failed with a message that the file system was read-only and wouldn't proceed.

      Now I'm waiting for my cd image to finish downloading.

    40. Re:Blast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, I will - 'cause you didn't finish reading my post:

      I'm sure he did, but the relevent part of your post ("you could just boot & wait - the updater will update everything in the background for you") does not clearly say it's a "quick and easy GUI based way" that's comparable to "with windows I can set it up to update automatically (download then prompt for install schedule) or I can run the update from the start menu."

      You didn't have to be such a dick about it.

      Oh, and upgrading between major releases of windows has always needed physical media as far as I can tell, no updating via windows update for you!

      DUH. Non-free operating systems (like Windows and OS X) are different. Buyers of non-free operating systems want physical media for at least version x.0 as a starting point before online update.

      See, I can be a asshole just like you.

    41. Re:Blast by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Except that he did mention the simple way, in the very same post. The only downside being the rebooting part, which is of course obligatory for OS X.

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    42. Re:Blast by ladoga · · Score: 1

      But anyway, if the GUI way is so easy... why would you bother giving the techie instructions? "Click update" is going to be a hell of a lot faster than opening a terminal window, whether or not you're a techie. So why bother with the sudo crap?

      Well... it depends. I like to use CLI for updating software because it's more flexible and powerful than doing the same thru GUI. For example I was in Ireland a while ago visiting my friend and I needed to update stuff on my home puter. (Which is in Helsinki, Finland) So I simply logged in using SSH on friend's laptop and ran # apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Job done. If I knew only how to "click update", then doing it from 2000km away would be a tad harder thing to archive.

      I haven't done updating software in GUI way for a some time. When I really started with linux I used Synaptic (GTK GUI for apt-get), but soon switched to using command line because for me it is simply a faster way to search and update software than clicking, pointing and scrolling with mouse. Once you know the commands it takes few seconds to type them and you're done.

      Here's the procedure which I would use to see if there's a program called cplay and install it via CLI:
      Alt-t (this opens aterm window in my system)
      apt-cache search cplay (searches apt database for program named cplay)
      apt-get install cplay (installs program named cplay)

      Doing the same with Synaptic GUI:
      right click (opens menu)
      move mouse to fileutils->synaptic
      click synaptic (starts loading synatic apt GUI)
      move mouse over search button
      click (opens search box)
      move mouse to searchbox
      click
      type cplay
      move mouse over search results
      click icon next to cplay
      move mouse over "Apply" button
      click

      First way is much quicker. There are even simpler GUIs for apt than synaptic though. One example being update manager in Ubuntu, but more you simplify, more you lose features.

      You have a point though. People who use apt-get from CLI surely know the commands, but it's hebrew to people who never used it. I agree...I'd first show my mum the GUI way of doing it too. (Though my mum isn't reading slahdot). But you're wrong if you think using command line is about showing "high priesthood of technology". Most people who use CLI use it to get things done easier/quicker/more effetively etc. It's all about choosing the right tool for the job.

    43. Re:Blast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanx for your help man, even I was looking for this

    44. Re:Blast by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1

      I tried telling my Interweb Explorer
      sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -yqq dist-upgrade
      and it didn't work. The Internet is broken I guess, and there's no Linux for me.

    45. Re:Blast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, I can be a asshole just like you.

      No, not "just like", cause your not as funny...

    46. Re:Blast by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      i read the review posted under vista yesterday. it appears easy if you know all the commands. (like on windows and finding icons) my eyes glazed over when i read a bunch of small text, sudo apt-get... it feels like i just have to *know* the name of an app when i want to upgrade something. at least with icons i can search around until i find what i need.

      Some people prefer apt-get, but there's graphical programs to do the same things. To add programs, just go to Applications->System Tools->Add Programs. It's a simple gui with categories on the right, programs on the left, and a search box. If you want a less simple gui with a better search, click the Advanced button and it opens up Synaptic. When programs want to update/upgrade themselves, a little orange icon appears in the panel (kinda like Windows Update) and you click it and they update (you can turn off notifications if they annoy you, and you can just open Synaptic and click the Update button to update).

      Most things in Ubuntu have a graphical way to do them, though occasionally there are things that do require the command line, but you can usually find a web site that will tell you what to do and then it's just copy and paste. If you're really command-line adverse, however, I recommend Mepis. The new version is supposed to come out June 18th. It's got good hardware support, comes enabled with mp3, dvd, etc support so you don't have to mess with that, and it's based off Ubuntu. Try the live cd and see if you like it.

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    47. Re:Blast by HeroreV · · Score: 1

      Maybe you are unsure about what a "major release" is. A gigantic pack of patches to fix security holes discovered years ago doesn't count as a "major release".

      Maybe you are referring to the Service Packs. If so, maybe you should read up on all the problems associated with that.

    48. Re:Blast by gsasha · · Score: 1

      "People who use apt-get from CLI surely know the commands, but it's hebrew to people who never used it."

      Hebrew is not such a hard language to learn, I did that myself :).
      Here in Israel we say "chinese" when we mean "something hard to learn"

  4. To convince your friends by Tribbin · · Score: 5, Informative

    To convince your friends to try it, order 10 PC-edition CD's delivered at your door for free and give them away to people mildly interested.

    It's live-CD installer style. Will probably impress many.

    https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

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    1. Re:To convince your friends by Knx · · Score: 3, Funny

      While your approach is interesting, I'd like to point out another argument:

      the logo

      Now, the problem is that some of your friends may just want to "install" that as their new wallpaper on ... er ... their Windows desktop. Bummer.

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    2. Re:To convince your friends by SpiritusGladius1517 · · Score: 0

      Also, if you don't want the hassle of installing with GNOME and changing to KDE, you can order Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE as default) Desktop CDs as well.

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    3. Re:To convince your friends by EnderGT · · Score: 5, Informative

      Dude, stick a "NSFW" on that, will ya!

    4. Re:To convince your friends by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      i will save Ubuntu the cost of shipping & handleing and download an ISO and keep a stack of blank CD-Rs and burn a few for anyone that asks

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    5. Re:To convince your friends by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1, Troll

      Last time I tried that, every CD they sent me was corrupt. The install disks wouldn't install at all, and the LiveCDs crashed at random intervals. I was absolutely not impressed. I've tried to get Ubuntu working, but if they can't even press their CDs correctly, how do they expect anyone to actually bood the damn thing?

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    6. Re:To convince your friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody left a stack of Ubuntu: Linux for Humans cds in the local gay coffeeshop. (Since gay nerds predominately use Macs, who knows wtf they were thinking.) Anway, I took the pile home and never got around to doing anything with them. They look nice next to my AOL CD collection though.

    7. Re:To convince your friends by ThePengwin · · Score: 1

      And if they think it sucks... cool design CD Coasters!!!

      Woo hoo!

      I think thats what my 5.10 ones are going to become now...

    8. Re:To convince your friends by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      Better yet, burn the CDs yourself; it is GPL, after all.

    9. Re:To convince your friends by Skythe · · Score: 1, Funny

      The question i should ask you is: why were you hanging out in the local gay coffeeshop?
      whoosh!

    10. Re:To convince your friends by Simon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It sounds more likely that you have a hardware problem or incompatibility.

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    11. Re:To convince your friends by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      Weird, what's the deal with that? Seriously, where did that come from?

    12. Re:To convince your friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's where the hot chicks hide out.

    13. Re:To convince your friends by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'd love to put that on the desktop of my stinkpad running ubuntu, but I take it to work... :(

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    14. Re:To convince your friends by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      I more wonder how someone got three girls together that actually were willing to do that... I guess I don't get out enough...

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    15. Re:To convince your friends by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know if your problem was real or not but I know that mine was: I requested a stack of 10 CD sets when they did this the first time. I was excited because it was based on debian, implying stability, yet had a LiveCD and a nice set of apps bundled.

      Unfortunately, I tried it on three different machines, one of which actually used to run debian, and all of which are capable of CD booting. NONE OF THEM MANAGED TO COMPLETE THE BOOT PROCESS. I promptly threw the CDs away, because they would do far more harm than good on the Linux evangelism front.

      Well, now I have dapper drake on my laptop. It runs great. The installer is still stupid though; If you elect to partition the entire drive "automatically" it automatically creates a single partition. This would probably be fine for SCSI, but this is IDE, and they could trivially detect that if they cared. Since it's a 30GB disk, this put the boot files past the 512 cylinder boundary, and it wouldn't boot! Great work, kids. After reinstalling, this time manually partitioning with a /boot in the P-1 slot, at the beginning of the disk of course, it works great. But the installer is still stupid, and while I can give the LiveCD to people to check out, I'm going to have to help them install if they decide they're that interested.

      Still, the fact that it actually works now is a big improvement.

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    16. Re:To convince your friends by Ragnarrokk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ah, the burn-the-CD yourself argument. People don't for some reason or another, trust blank CDs. I have found most people FAR more enthusiastic to try Ubuntu when they have the packaging and the nice sleeve and what not. It makes it look "respectable" and "safe", plus is has nice instructions on the case.

      Nowadays I tend to lug around a bag of Ubuntu CDs every day I go to school because *someone* will end up needing or wanting one. Need to get around to ordering some more soon.

      ``Ragnarok

    17. Re:To convince your friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's where the hot chicks w/dix hide out.

      There, fixed that spelling for you...

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    18. Re:To convince your friends by Braino420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ya, that's what I did with people I work with. It's really nice because each CD booklet comes with the install CD and then a Live CD to test it out with. People at work were like 'WTH is a live cd?'

      So, they're pretty much giving you 20 CDs, and you can even ask for more or trade some of the PC ones for 64-bit or powerpc. It did take awhile though, about 2 months. But I can't think of another OS that ships out 20 CDs for FREE.

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    19. Re:To convince your friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What modern machines still have that 512 cylinder boot limit?

    20. Re:To convince your friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, well the most likely reason would be that he's gay? What's your point?

    21. Re:To convince your friends by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      My IBM Thinkpad A21p, for one. It's a few years old but it's a Mobile P3-850, that's MORE than enough machine for running Ubuntu or what have you. (It's sitting to my right, running the latest dapper.) And MANY others. Don't assume that because you have something you just went out and bought that the rest of the world does. This is not billed as an OS to bundle with new PCs, it's an OS for your existing PC.

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    22. Re:To convince your friends by charlesnw · · Score: 1

      Do a search on flickr for ubuntu logo.

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    23. Re:To convince your friends by alienw · · Score: 1

      The 512-sector limitation disappeared from LILO and most BIOSes about 5 years ago, so it's now a non-issue. Not entirely sure what your problems were, sounds like your machine is just way too old.

    24. Re:To convince your friends by Knx · · Score: 1

      I more wonder how someone got three girls together that actually were willing to do that... I guess I don't get out enough...

      Well, either that or these girls have been getting out too much.

      :-)

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    25. Re:To convince your friends by pafrusurewa · · Score: 1

      You must work in a really prude environment (or country) if that's NSFW. Seriously.

    26. Re:To convince your friends by EnderGT · · Score: 1
      At this place, the JC Penney catalog might be considered NSFW.

      I, personally, have absolutely no problem with that image - I rather liked it, actually ;P

      But I could be fired for accessing it. Gotta love it.

    27. Re:To convince your friends by batkiwi · · Score: 1

      You're in a pretty unique situation. My REALLY old thinkpad p3 500mhz doesn't have the 512 limitation. It's at least 7 years old (1999).

    28. Re:To convince your friends by BigVig209 · · Score: 1

      Or, like many of us, he is a public employee in the U.S., where, in some states, accessing, downloading, and/or storing images or material that could possibly be considered obscene, like that photo, can be considered a crime and reason for dismissal.

    29. Re:To convince your friends by pafrusurewa · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what I meant. That's a really prude country that you live in. But I didn't know it was so bad. Unbelievable.

  5. Software versions? by baadger · · Score: 1, Redundant

    So what software versions are supported by Dapper out of the box? Theres Gnome 2.14, Xorg 7?

    Anyone know of a list?

    1. Re:Software versions? by henriquemaia · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:Software versions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a part of what I have installed. I guess it must be the same in default Ubuntu Dapper as well:

      XOrg 7.0.0
      Gnome 2.14.1
      OpenOffice 2.0.2
      Kernel 2.6.15-23...

    3. Re:Software versions? by Tribbin · · Score: 1

      All I know is that I no longer pay attention to that lately. All stable latest and greatest is now in dapper.

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    4. Re:Software versions? by Keichann · · Score: 1

      http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/

      A fairly complete list of packages there, things like w32codecs and realplayer can be fetched from Debian Marillat.

    5. Re:Software versions? by baadger · · Score: 0, Redundant

      super-informative++;

    6. Re:Software versions? by Respect_my_Authority · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu has Xorg 7.0 and Gnome 2.14.1.

      They've had a bit of a bad luck because a new version of Xorg was recently released and it didn't make its way to Ubuntu. Also, KDE 3.5.3 and Gnome 2.14.2 were released just today, so naturally Ubuntu doesn't have them.

      And Ubuntu's kernel is not the latest version.

      All software in Ubuntu is actually quite new -- they've just had some bad luck in timing the dapper release and this makes lots of packages look older than they actually are. :-(

    7. Re:Software versions? by baadger · · Score: 1

      Xorg 7.1 is incompatible with alot of drivers atm, including nVidia's (and presumeably ATI's) proprietary drivers. I doubt we'll see it in wide use just yet.

      Suckers like me using Gentoo are just too scared to move to GCC 4.1 and Xorg 7.0, especially on the AMD64 arch.

  6. Seamless Upgrade by old_skul · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you dreading a long, drawn-out upgrade process, Ubuntu can upgrade using update-manager from many previous Debian builds. It's a seamless transition that can run in the background while you continue to work. One (count 'em) reboot is required, and you're done.

    Congrats to the Dapper team.

    1. Re:Seamless Upgrade by strider44 · · Score: 4, Funny

      A reboot? Linux is obviously not ready for the desktop!

    2. Re:Seamless Upgrade by ats-tech · · Score: 1

      sudo update-manager -d

      For those that may not know the command

    3. Re:Seamless Upgrade by hdante · · Score: 1

      No way. I'm using breezy here and running 'update-manager' doesn't change my current tree. Every Ubuntu upgrade I have to find out what's the id of the new distribution and change it by hand.

    4. Re:Seamless Upgrade by acramon1 · · Score: 1

      Only one reboot? Linux is obviously not ready for the desktop!

    5. Re:Seamless Upgrade by Knuckles · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:Seamless Upgrade by natrius · · Score: 1

      For those of you dreading a long, drawn-out upgrade process, Ubuntu can upgrade using update-manager from many previous Debian builds.

      No it can't. The only supported upgrade path is from breezy to dapper. Cross distribution upgrades (Debian to Ubuntu) can be even worse than trying to skip a release. If you don't already have breezy installed, backing up your data and installing from scratch is the best way to go. The developers plan to be able to support upgrades from one LTS (long term support) release to another, but other than that, skipping a release has never been supported. Don't do it.

    7. Re:Seamless Upgrade by hdante · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I'm already downloading it. I think the version of update-manager in the page is incorrect. There says "0.42.2ubuntu12~breezy1" should work, but I have "0.42.2ubuntu12~breezy2" and there was no notice about the new distribution.

    8. Re:Seamless Upgrade by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      That's just a slightly newer version - probably the website guys missed that it was updated in 05.10 (Breezy)

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    9. Re:Seamless Upgrade by Zwaxy · · Score: 1

      sudo update-manager -d

      While that command is fine at the moment, the "-d" means to upgrade to any available bleeding-edge version, so if you run it in a few weeks time, you'll end up with an very early, probably unbootable, version of the "Edgy Eft" release.

      So just:

          sudo update-manager

      if you want to upgrade to 6.06 LTS.

    10. Re:Seamless Upgrade by Goaway · · Score: 1

      It's apparently broken. It doesn't work for me either, or for several others I've talked to. Developers don't seem to know why.

    11. Re:Seamless Upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to run with "update-manager -d" to get the upgrade. The general upgrade feature will be availalbe today.

    12. Re:Seamless Upgrade by HeroreV · · Score: 1

      System > Administration > Update Manager

      For those who do not want to know the command.

  7. At last! by mpiktas · · Score: 2, Funny

    At last it is on Slashdot. I've been refreshing the front page all day:) And no, I am not a sad sad geek. Ok, maybe a little:)

    1. Re:At last! by exit3219 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, the news is a little late. It has appeared on the first mirrors about 3 hours ago. BTW, Kubuntu is out there as well: http://kubuntu.com/download.php (I wouldn't bother downloading it right now, since there's a huge congestion on the servers. I hope it'll be gone in a day or two.)

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  8. it's great by rap-engineering · · Score: 1

    I have been running it on my dell b120 for a week with no problems

    1. Re:it's great by wild_berry · · Score: 1

      I dist-upgraded this morning. It boots quickly, makes good use of proprietary video drivers, is well-organised, functional and efficient. I would say that it is comparable to Win2k or WinXP from the month or so I've been using a release candidate. I hope that the fall's Edgy Eft release can be comparable to the looks and usability of these Windows Vista previews I keep seeing.

    2. Re:it's great by harrkev · · Score: 1

      There is supposedly a six-month cycle, but this one slipped two months. Will Eft be in another four months (6.10, back to the original schedule), or will it be released six months from today (6.12)?

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    3. Re:it's great by wild_berry · · Score: 1
  9. Usability and functionality by brenddie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I already fill my functionality needs with RHEL and CentOS but it would be nice if this release of ubuntu could perform the same tasks (plus comercial support) and on top of that "looks good" and is easy to use. This will surely raise the bar even higher than already set by Fedora5.

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  10. Careful when Upgrading by goofyheadedpunk · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a Dapper user since before it was cool I'd like to warn everyone using Apple products, especially iBooks and other slightly more supported hardware, against upgrading just yet. A severe bug was introduced having to do with the ATI cards in laptops on May 29 that causes persistant systems freezes. (Why would you upgrade all of xorg two days before release?) The errors are unrecoverable and require a system reboot. There hasn't been much in the way of response, as everyone seems to be celebrating the release of Dapper.

    More information can be found in the forums and launchpad.net.

    --

    What if the entire Universe were a chrooted environment with everything symlinked from the host?
    1. Re:Careful when Upgrading by reaktor · · Score: 1

      Yes, ubuntu never worked with the radeon 9600 in my powermac. I installed gentoo and it worked automagically! Something is fishy with ubuntu and ATI/X11 for PPC.

    2. Re:Careful when Upgrading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's not the OS that's fishy, maybe it's your fucking piece of shit hardware vendors. It'd be cool if they played nice but instead we've got to use workarounds and kludges that hurt everyone else just to keep you fucks happy.

    3. Re:Careful when Upgrading by Dan+Ost · · Score: 1

      How is Gentoo working for you?

      The reason I ask is that it seems odd to me that if Ubuntu was your first choice that
      Gentoo would be your second.

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    4. Re:Careful when Upgrading by hahiss · · Score: 2, Informative

      I tried reading the bug reports: are these the non-free drivers? I've been running dapper for a few days on my 2001 iBook without this problem, but I'm not running the ATI specific drivers.

      The only real problem I ran into was one with tetex; there's a misconfigured file, and so TeX wouldn't do any hyphenation.

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    5. Re:Careful when Upgrading by surgicaltubing · · Score: 1

      So should i upgrade my iMac Blue'n'White running Badger?

    6. Re:Careful when Upgrading by goofyheadedpunk · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it's the free xorg driver that's barfing.

      --

      What if the entire Universe were a chrooted environment with everything symlinked from the host?
    7. Re:Careful when Upgrading by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu and Gentoo have a lot in common, particularly the glitz factor, being on (or close to) the bleeding edge, and a huge user community. I typically put gentoo on my systems that I want to run Linux, but for my laptop I installed Ubuntu so I could have access to binary packages for everything because when I want an app on my laptop it's highly impractical to compile it... my laptop is many times slower than my desktop. Well, many being 3 or 4, when you take into account the slower cpu, the slower memory, the slower hard drive, the craptacular ATI Rage Mobility M3 (Rage Pro+ AGP) etc etc.

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    8. Re:Careful when Upgrading by kwoff · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, so it's the ATI card? I do indeed have one, ATI Mobility Radeon X600. Yesterday I managed to workaround this problem (I think) by booting into previous kernel versions, since I think it's a kernel-driver problem. I found that "kacpid" processes kept starting, and after 5 or 10 minutes windows would start closing at random and finally everything locked up and the fan started whirring faster.

    9. Re:Careful when Upgrading by hotani · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, careful with the SMP kernel on MDD G4s, as in: Don't. It is not ready and will totally hose the system. Apparently it works in Breezy, but when I loaded it for Dapper the most obvious problem was my system clock was completely out of whack and I couldn't do anything because the screensaver kept taking over. When I did finally get in and past the screensaver of death, every applet in my menu died at once producing about 8 error messages on the desktop.

    10. Re:Careful when Upgrading by asituationist · · Score: 1

      Actually there are a few more problems than that on the mac (especially older G4's), i haven't been able to use any of the RC's on my 867mhz Quicksilver due to kernel issues during the boot cycle - more here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux -source-2.6.15/+bug/34508

    11. Re:Careful when Upgrading by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Your desktop video card compiles apps faster?

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  11. EasyUbuntu. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    After installing dapper, I highly reccommend grabbing easyubuntu - it's a little package to get mp3s, wmvs, flash, java, crappy non-free nvidia/ati drivers etc all automagically installed.

    Takes one of the niggles out of ubuntu.

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    1. Re:EasyUbuntu. by jwd-oh · · Score: 1

      BUMPS is easier.

    2. Re:EasyUbuntu. by El+Tonerino · · Score: 1
      So what you're trying to say is that nvidia/ati drivers are crappy and non-free but mp3s, wmvs, flash, java are free and non-crappy? Ahem. I think you mean
      it's a little package to get crappy non-free mp3s, wmvs, flash, java, AND nvidia/ati drivers etc all automagically installed.
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    3. Re:EasyUbuntu. by theTerribleRobbo · · Score: 1

      Oh my god. I think I love you. EasyUbuntu is awesome. I had no idea it even existed.

    4. Re:EasyUbuntu. by huwnet · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked easyubuntu was only for x86 :(

    5. Re:EasyUbuntu. by syphax · · Score: 4, Informative


      Just checked here:

      Get EasyUbuntu!

      Stable Release
      The 3.0 release supports:

              * Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu
              * Breezy/Dapper
              * x86/powerpc/amd64

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    6. Re:EasyUbuntu. by huwnet · · Score: 1

      Thanks must have updated since I last checked :)

    7. Re:EasyUbuntu. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      *grins*

      Good point - but I do consider the mp3 stuff free (they're under the GPL after all, just covered by patents that don't apply to most of the world)

      wmvs, flash & java, are all non-free & crappy, yes.

      But the nvidia/ati drivers are non-free and run in kernel space with the ability to crash my machine far harder then anything in user space.

      That's why they got the 'crappy' prefix.

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    8. Re:EasyUbuntu. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Oh my god. I think I love you.

      Well, read my journal and make me your friend then :-)

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    9. Re:EasyUbuntu. by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 1

      Agreed; if it's Free Software, I couldn't give a damn about patents.

    10. Re:EasyUbuntu. by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

      You should buy a Mac! Uh, isn't that the answer for every problem?

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      The world is made by those who show up for the job.
  12. What's that burning smell???? by What'sInAName · · Score: 1


    Hmm, the servers seem to be a bit... slow for some reason. Even mcs.anl.gov. That says something!

    Heh, I'm sitting here on my laptop at USENIX, waiting for the talk to start. How many of you out there are doing the same?

    1. Re:What's that burning smell???? by ghost+of+perception · · Score: 1

      I am downloading from the European Mirror and it took a while to get started and is moving along at 20.3kbs at the moment. The torrents are still showing Breezy but thats to be expected at this stage. Currently running PC Linux OS duel boot with xp but hopefuly Drake will replace both on the laptop.

    2. Re:What's that burning smell???? by s31523 · · Score: 1

      That is why I installed the 6.06 RC a few days ago! It screamed! Install was done in 45 minutes flat, including download time! LOVE broadband!

    3. Re:What's that burning smell???? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I've been running since 6.02, updating once or twice a week. I only had to download 130 MB today and it did it at about 50kB/sec.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  13. The Death of Fedora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    This is the beginning of the end for Fedora. Red Hat really shot itself in the foot with the dividing of its distro. It projected an image that Red Hat wasn't really willing to eat its own dog food. Canonical has one distro and one distro that it "stands" by for production use. A former Red Hat user.

    1. Re:The Death of Fedora by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please, it's not as if theres any need or reason for rivalry.

      Both can co-exist, and it's only childish coments such as these that encourage the rabid fanboyism that this community suffers from.

    2. Re:The Death of Fedora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I don't know. I installed Dapper a few days ago just to check it out, and while it's much better than Suse 10.1 for hardware support, I still use FC5 because, out of the box ALL my hardware (LS120 etc) work correctly without any voodoo rituals. I just couldn't get the hardware support from Dapper that FC5 gives.

    3. Re:The Death of Fedora by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Amen to that! I used to use redhat as well, and I stopped using it on principle when they cancelled the normal redhat and moved to the fedora model. Unix/Linux geeks in general have been bitching out Microsoft for making us be their beta testers forever, but then thousands of them jumped on Fedora, which is the exact same thing! Fucking sheeple. I feel that Red Hat broke a covenant :) with us when they dropped the free stable Red Hat. As soon as Fedora gets stable, they upgrade a bunch of stuff, because the ENTIRE POINT of Fedora is to provide beta testing for RHEL. There is NO OTHER POINT. Those who use it are SUCKERS.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:The Death of Fedora by neus · · Score: 1

      Did Netcraft told you that ?

    5. Re:The Death of Fedora by jchandra · · Score: 1

      I too have switched from FC4 to Ubuntu, and I'm sure that a lot of others have too. After FC2, I was looking for a better distribution, but decided that Gentoo(takes too much time), Mandrake(Mandriva whatever) & Suse(or Novell or whatever) was a step down. But Ubuntu is a step up from Fedora, esp synaptic for software updates is miles better than yum.

      I don't see any fanboy-ism in the other AC's posting - he is probably right, it may not be the death, but Fedora will be the one losing out as Ubuntu gains.

      Another AC.

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    6. Re:The Death of Fedora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      encourage the rabid fanboyism that this community suffers from.

        2leet4U: Yeah. Linux zealots suck so bad. That's why us SERIOUS computer users use Windows! It just works, you stupid hippie dorks!

        M4KK4TT4KK: No way, loser! Your platform is dumb! You guys just copy from us all the time! Steve Jobs could totally beat up Bill Gates!

    7. Re:The Death of Fedora by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      This isn't really true. Canonical has "stable" and "testing" branches, just like Debian. Red Hat has a similar process, except RHEL would be considered "really stable". Just because "Fedora" and "RHEL" are different names doesn't mean they're separate.

  14. Release notes by soboroff · · Score: 2, Informative

    More useful information for geeks... although the support is indeed the real news.

    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/606

  15. Upgrade by Rotting · · Score: 1

    I actually managed to fully upgrade from breezy (5.10) to dapper (6.06) without having to wipe the system. Of all the distros I have tried I have never used (IMHO) one that had such a painless upgrade process for major revisions.

    They are doing a really great job on this.

    1. Re:Upgrade by exit3219 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I think this is an acomplishment of the Debian APT system. Ubuntu hadn't much to do with it. Upgrades have been easy in Debian since... always!

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    2. Re:Upgrade by Dan+Ost · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the world of Gentoo, Debian, OpenBSD, and NetBSD (sorry, don't know about FreeBSD).

      Upgrading should never be a hassle.

      --

      *sigh* back to work...
    3. Re:Upgrade by imbaczek · · Score: 1

      Welcome to Debian. Enjoy your stay :)

  16. this is light years past vista by observer7 · · Score: 0

    this release of an operating system in terms of quality , bugs removed and security is the best for the computer enviroment since microsoft launched windows 98

  17. Breezy to Dapper quick'n'painless. by eddy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Upgraded from latest Breezy to Dapper earlier today. Only had to download 594MB of archives, and it took 95 minutes in total (download+unpacking/configuring).

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    1. Re:Breezy to Dapper quick'n'painless. by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Yeah, tried that myself too. First, I though I would easily beat you because of my faster download speed.

      Now my nvidia drivers are not working anymore, my drive needed manual repairing (by just hitting y all the time), my network conection was down for some time (needed to bring it up manually as well, for some reason), a manual xorg.conf edit was needed, and the synaptic package manager complains that my (correct) root password is incorrect.

      This was typed on the last I will see from Linux from another year at least. Fucked up package managers get me all the time (first tried fedora).

      If there are any errors in this post, I am currently looking at about 20 cursors due to the broken firefox/nv driver combination. Back to windows for me.

    2. Re:Breezy to Dapper quick'n'painless. by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'm back at a slightly normal installation. Strangely enough, there are now no problems anymore in the package manager. I started the synaptic package manager after xhost + from a user prompt and then starting it from a sudo su - session: not something you would like to let a novice user do either. Then I had to remove the mplayer32 package to be able to upgrade openoffce. Fortunately, this being linux, I have not found any data loss yet, and the new system feels *much* more responsive than the first. After also upgrading the nvidia package, resetting my xorg.conf to include the nvidia driver and a reboot, everything seems to be fine. I hope. I liked the way my ntp.conf was updated, nice way to show the diff between the files, and this is the first linux distro upgrade that, although not smoothly, actually worked.

      I'll leave it in there for now. Almost 1 o'clock, Linux does that to you...

    3. Re:Breezy to Dapper quick'n'painless. by warp_factor_9 · · Score: 1

      Same here.... upgraded from Breezy to Dapper (apt-get upgrade....) in just under 3 hours. Only trouble I had after was with my wireless card (Linksys WPC54G). Had to uninstall ndiswrapper and edit the /etc/network/interfaces file removing the old "wlan0" references, then a reboot and away it all went. So far so good; no probs at all.

  18. Hot servers? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny
    TFA: Run on over to the download site while it's still hot.

    Thanks but I plan to let the servers cool down for a few days before I hit them.

    1. Re:Hot servers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a torrent:
      http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/ dvd/
      But it is only for the DVD.

    2. Re:Hot servers? by fimbulvetr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm, that's a link to breezy (5.10)

      Here:

      http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/ dvd/

  19. I'll miss the constant updates... by kkiller · · Score: 5, Informative

    Having used Dapper for the last few months as a desktop user, I can say its a pretty neat system, but carries a few flaws. It boots far quicker than Breezy, seems to close down faster as well, has a smartend orange look (albeit resembling Vista a little but dumping that uniform Brown look for good), while the new shutdown dialog is quite cool. It remains the free easy-to-use distro of choice, at least for me.

    So what sucks? SAMBA's graphical configuration is still useless for setting up Linux-Windows shares. The new Gnome Screensaver actually seems a retrograde step, losing RSS, per-screensaver settings and several popular XScreensaver hacks - supposedly in the name of ease-of-use. I can imagine users will fall over themselves with hacks to get XScreensaver working again.

    1. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by henriquemaia · · Score: 1

      "I can imagine users will fall over themselves with hacks to get XScreensaver working again."

      sudo apt-get install xscreensaver

    2. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by exit3219 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You won't miss them, 'cause Edgy Eft (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft) is coming fast (October 2006)

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    3. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by kkiller · · Score: 3, Informative

      Err, not exactly. I have that package installed, and it does not run at startup by default. Sure, getting it to do the latter isn't exactly hard, but it's not out of the box either - and will surely become a subject of the Automatix/EasyUbuntu scripts out there.

    4. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by kkiller · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Whats an Eft?

    5. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Funny
      Whats an Eft?

      A young peasant. They do get better though.

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    6. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by delire · · Score: 3, Funny
      I can imagine users will fall over themselves with hacks to get XScreensaver working again.
      Tell me about it.. It took days. I lost a leg and three fingers in the battle and am since stricken with a gripping case of Tourettes Syndrome. Here's what i had to go through:
      sudo apt-get install xscreensaver
      Linux on the desktop, yeah right!
    7. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by tokul · · Score: 2, Informative
    8. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by kkiller · · Score: 2, Informative
      *sigh*

      You still need to add it to your list to startup programs in Sessions for it to do anything useful. Like I said, not exactly difficult, but might be confusing for some users - a solution which allowed you to switch between the two screensaver packages and activated them would have been better.

    9. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh*

      You still need to add it to your list to startup programs in Sessions for it to do anything useful. Like I said, not exactly difficult, but might be confusing for some users - a solution which allowed you to switch between the two screensaver packages and activated them would have been better.


      Anyone who cares enough about what *screensaver* package they use should be able to figure it out. Personally, all I care is that my screen goes blank after about an hour or so.

    10. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 1
      If really you want a configuration UI for selecting different screensaver systems, maybe Gnome is not the DE for you... That is just so much against the "idea of Gnome" that I don't if I should be laughing or crying.

      Besides, I honestly don't see why most (or even many) people would like to tweak their screensavers more than they can now.

    11. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by Zwaxy · · Score: 1

      A problem with the GNOME version is that the screen goes black after an hour or so even if you're actively playing a game in full-screen mode.

      That's why I switched back to xscreensaver.

    12. Re:I'll miss the constant updates... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Personally I'm hanging out for Windy Weasel, soon to be followed by Flatulent Ferret.

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  20. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by nhaines · · Score: 5, Informative

    Simply use Update Manager. 5.10 will say that the new release 6.06 is now available, with a button that will download an upgrade tool that will handle the repository and package transitions plus the postinstall stuff for you in a safe manner. If you've been running a 6.06 beta, just download any new package updates. If you've updated the beta in the last two days, you're basically already running 6.06 LTS.

  21. torrents by glarvat · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:torrents by kusanagi374 · · Score: 2, Informative

      What is the alternate ISO for? I've tried looking for info about it on the release notes but couldn't find anything. Anyone care to enlighten me?

    2. Re:torrents by AndreasB · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's the text-mode install, just in case the live cd won't boot on your hardware or something.

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    3. Re:torrents by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Desktop I386 is extremely fast from here.

      does anyone know a mirror for automatix? seems the main ubuntu sites are suffering the slashdot effect

    4. Re:torrents by Zwaxy · · Score: 1

      This email explains the renaming of the CD .iso files, but basically the live CD now has a pretty installer, and has been renamed to 'desktop', whereas the install CD still has the old text-only installer, and is now called 'alternate', to indicate that most people won't be needing it.

    5. Re:torrents by Knuckles · · Score: 3, Informative

      Automatix is considered unsafe. It overwrites system files, forces potentially dangerous operations, etc. (At least it did at one time, the author got a lot of advice and has changed things, but I still wouldn't trust it.)

      Easyubuntu is a better option.

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    6. Re:torrents by CamD · · Score: 1
      ...the live CD now has a pretty installer...
      Does that just refer to the live install, or is it possible to install at boot? Would I want alternate for installing without booting live?
    7. Re:torrents by Zwaxy · · Score: 1

      The way it works is you boot the 'desktop' CD, which runs a live session, giving you a desktop with an install icon on it.

      If, for some reason, you don't want to run a live session, you'll need the alternate CD, yes.

  22. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 3, Informative
    For those of us who are running 5.10 or one of the 6.06 betas, what is the upgrade procedure?

    If you're running a 6.06 beta, you don't have to do anything. Boot up, log in & wait for the update manager to let you know its finished updating.

    If you're running 5.10 (or earlier), the short, easy instructions are available here - cli instructions are:
    1) Change your sources.list to reflect the sources.list as shown on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666
    2)Save the file and then type this in a terminal:
            sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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  23. BitTorrent Links by solferino · · Score: 3, Informative

    i386

    amd64

    powerpc

    p.s. you're getting the Dekstop version here. Described thus on the download page:

    The desktop CD allows you to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later. This type of CD is what most people will want to use. You will need at least 192MB of RAM to install from this CD.
    1. Re:BitTorrent Links by trustbyte · · Score: 1

      my mistake..that ftp is not like that
      is like this:

      ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ubuntulinux.org/r eleases/releases/6.06

  24. The Ubuntu Car is not brown ! by Ploum · · Score: 1

    It's no more brown ! It's orange ! There is even a Dapper Car ! Of course, this was before! If you look closely, you will see that the car has 4 wheels. This is not true anymore as we are now all using flying cars.

    BTW, there's even Ubuntu in Belgium now...

  25. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by SStrungis · · Score: 2, Informative

    You should be able to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list without any trouble. Change all instances of "breezy" to "dapper". Do an apt-get update and then an apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade.

  26. To been or not to been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad it has been finally been released.

  27. Where's the DVD release? by Ossifer · · Score: 1

    This would surely help in these early days, when everything you need can be downloaded at one time, via bittorrent.

    1. Re:Where's the DVD release? by Ossifer · · Score: 4, Informative

      The DVD links on the standard Ubuntu download page all point to breezy releases. I did some poking around and found: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/ dvd

      Good luck!

    2. Re:Where's the DVD release? by Dude+McDude · · Score: 0, Interesting

      What is in the DVD iso version? (it's ~3.13GB)

    3. Re:Where's the DVD release? by Ossifer · · Score: 1
      What is in the DVD iso version?
      Everything.
    4. Re:Where's the DVD release? by Zwaxy · · Score: 1

      Here are torrents for the various dapper CDs.

  28. I'm extrememly pleased... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with the news of this release. This pleasantry comes with one caveat, however, and that is since 5.10, I have since bought a MacBook that runs OS X. I'm of the opinion that of all Linux distros, Ubuntu is the finest attempt at reaching the level of desktop maturity out of the box that OS X users currently enjoy. I think I may install it on my MacBook, but I'll have to check to ensure that 6.06 is compatible with Core Duo Intel motherboards.

  29. Chav Linux by kkiller · · Score: 1
    Focus ST. Ok, the name is ill-chosen, you can get it in a sort of orange tracksuit colour that wouldn't look out of place on a rapper and it's bound to become the car of choice for Burberry check-wearers across Essex - but that doesn't stop it from being a fantastic car.

    Mmmmm, Burberry windows :-D

  30. Why I don't use it by teslatug · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So I gave Ubuntu a shot with all the hype, and I must say I hate their package manager. I want to upgrade Firefox to 1.5.0.3 so I do a search with their utility (forget the name) and I can't find it. That makes a bit of sense as it was pretty new. I figure I'd get it directly from Mozilla, but first let me remove the old package. Can't do it, unless I want to remove all of Ubuntu desktop. Why would I want to remove all the desktop apps? What is this Microsoft? They have to bundle the browser? Just try and remove any application using their package manager. Pretty much everything that comes with Ubuntu is tied into that Ubuntu desktop app. So I end up having two of everything. How is that user friendly? Yes, I'm sure you can remove it by going command line. But for that I'll stick with Slackware. At least I know what to expect, I just thought I'd try this new fangled user-friendly distro.

    1. Re:Why I don't use it by mat1t · · Score: 2, Informative

      The package isn't a real program. It's a meta package to group other packages together. It's best use is allowing you to change between ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu.

      There's no harm in removing that package (even though it's not very user friendly and doesn't tell you)

      On the plus side though, Firefox 1.5.0.3 is already installed! :)

    2. Re:Why I don't use it by kkiller · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package - it installs default ubuntu desktop components. It doesn't have to be there, inless you are using a development version and wish to follow changes to the defaults as they are made. You can happily remove it if you need to.

    3. Re:Why I don't use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Can't do it, unless I want to remove all of Ubuntu desktop.
      You don't need to remove any desktop programs. The 'ubuntu-desktop' package is just a meta-package to install all the default packages for the desktop user. Removing it just means those packages will not be upgraded as a group in the future.
    4. Re:Why I don't use it by mz2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage that has dependencies to basically all desktop apps that are installed by default in Ubuntu (so that for example if you do a minimal install you can later on just do a "desktop installation" later on very easily (e.g. sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop). So you can remove ubuntu-desktop safely and everything will work just fine (which you would find out also if you read the package description of gnome-desktop).

      Also, one particularly useful feature I've found with ubuntu/debian package handling is in cases where you need/want a slightly newer version of an application that's not yet available in the repositories with the version you want, you can do "sudo apt-get build-dep foobar" and then very easily compile your foobar yourself without having to worry about finding every header package that you need for compiling the app (something I find incredibly annoying on e.g. RHEL). Also, you can for most of the time install debian unstable packages as well if you're very impatient with getting packages not yet available for ubuntu.

    5. Re:Why I don't use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ubuntu-desktop package is just a meta package with dependencies on things they think you should have on the desktop platform, it has nothing in itself. Go ahead and uninstall it. Pretty soon however ff will be released in dapper-updates or dapper-backport or some 3rd party repo and you can install it from there, or you can roll you own package, check out checkinstall

    6. Re:Why I don't use it by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 1
      ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package -- removing it doesn't remove any programs, installing it ensures that you have all of the parts that form Ubuntu Desktop... If you had bothered to read the description you had seen this: It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system packages are not desired. However, it is recommended that you keep it installed, because it is used to carry out certain upgrade transitions (such as adding new packages to the system).

      Nice rant, anyway.

    7. Re:Why I don't use it by 10Ghz · · Score: 1

      "Just try and remove any application using their package manager."

      I have removed apps several times on my Ubuntu-machine, and I haven't seen this problem you describe. Am I missing something here?

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    8. Re:Why I don't use it by fishbot · · Score: 1

      It's a metapa... no, just kidding, I know many people have already said that. However, if you look at the description of ubuntu-desktop (rather than just going "aah! stopit!" and reaching for a Windows CD) then it does tell you that it is not, in fact, the entire desktop.

      I do recall a time once when Ximian Red Carpet (remember that, RPM fans?) decided to remove libc and everything that depended on it when I ugraded Galeon.

      That wasn't fun.

    9. Re:Why I don't use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can just remove the ubuntu-desktop, it's on of those meta packages which don't actually contain anything just depend on a lot of stuff. That one and a few others are just there to tie everything together.
      IIRC it even says so in the description.

    10. Re:Why I don't use it by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I haven't checked but it seems likely that mozilla-firefox is filling a dependency for a virtual package called like "web-browser" or something. The system wants a browser so that it can handle web content. Anyway, the solution was just to leave the old one alone and install your own firefox to /usr/local until the one in the OS was updated, which usually doesn't take very long at all.

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    11. Re:Why I don't use it by echo · · Score: 1

      A good thing to use to get newer versions of packages than the offical one is klik.

      http://klik.sourceforge.net/

    12. Re:Why I don't use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to remove it. Just get your favorite Firefox and untar in /usr/lib. That's and you re set to go.

  31. Misleading summary!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why no shill paragraph boasting about the latest review of Vista beta?

  32. Crying Shame! by crhylove · · Score: 1

    Congrats to Ubuntu and all the ubuntu-folk, however the only thing that's going to REALLY put a dent in windows is being AHEAD of the game, and that would mean XGL and compiz long before Vista comes out. And no txt file hacking in the terminal, either...... Just drag and drop or install automagically.

    When is Linux going to be AHEAD of the other OSes? All my average-joe friends would switch now if XGL and compiz came pre-installed!

    rhY

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    1. Re:Crying Shame! by mat1t · · Score: 2, Informative

      bring on the Edgy Eft

    2. Re:Crying Shame! by VP · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's the next version, where all the new "experimental" stuff is going to be included. And it will still come out before Vista...

    3. Re:Crying Shame! by Mathiasdm · · Score: 1

      October: Ubuntu 6.10 (unless that gets delayed 2 months as well - then it's december... Still earlier than Vista).

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    4. Re:Crying Shame! by goldspider · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu isn't necessarily trying to "put a dent" in Windows. Maybe they just want to make a good Linux distribution. You can have the latter without being motivated by the former.

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    5. Re:Crying Shame! by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Having done Windows upgrades, I have to say in many respects, Ubuntu (and many other Linux distros) are ahead of Windows.

      And I think KDE and Gnome are better in the UI department, too.

      And I think Ubuntu (and others) are clearly ahead in the approach to security, with Vista following along with a sudo-style approach to administrative functions.

      Its all a matter of what is important to you.

      OTOH, it doesn't have to be a war, except to the people who have a financial stake in the dominance of one system or the other; XP and Kubuntu are perfectly happy alongside eachother on my system.

    6. Re:Crying Shame! by babbling · · Score: 1

      I think software patents, proprietary file formats/codecs, and the lack of Free Software video card drivers are the only things preventing Ubuntu and some other Linux operating systems from being "better than Windows". That's a massive improvement from 5 years ago. If we can manage to get those issues sorted out (RESEARCH BEFORE VOTING AND LOBBYING!) then I think Ubuntu will be unstoppable.

      It's important to realise, though, that the goal isn't to "beat Windows". The goal is a Free Software operating system that we can all use. Ideally, we should be able to enjoy community, culture and the internet in absolute freedom - freedom to share, create, study, and enjoy.

      This will need to happen not only through a Free operating system, but also through projects like Wikipedia, and other "Free Culture" media. Movies, music, games, and books should all become free (as in freedom) within the next 10 years. Some say it will never happen, but I think that what has been accomplished already is proof that it will happen.

      Not everyone is a programmer and the most important projects in the future are no longer programming ones, but creative ones. Programmers still have a major role to play, though. Free tools need to be created that allow people to easily create Free Culture. Eventually, everyone needs to get involved, and Wikipedia is proof that there are so many people who will get involved as soon as it becomes easy to be involved.

    7. Re:Crying Shame! by Knuckles · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, looking at bug #1, I do think they try.

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    8. Re:Crying Shame! by GoatPigSheep · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, the GPL prevents you from combining free software with closed drivers in a simple way. They have to make it exceedingly difficult or Richard Stallman will leave bags of burning dog doo on the porches of all the Ubuntu programmers.

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    9. Re:Crying Shame! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As much as I like using OS X for multimedia, you can't beat doing a apt-get update to upgrade the entire OS AND all your applications at once. Pure magic in my opinion.

  33. Any Torrents??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any torrents out there?

    1. Re:Any Torrents??? by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      Dunno. I'm upgrading via Synaptic, and it's pulling down at about the max my DSL can handle.

    2. Re:Any Torrents??? by slack_prad · · Score: 0

      TA doesn't show where the torrents are.
      all kinds of downloads(direct/bit torrent/jigdo)/for all platforms are here

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  34. Wireless? by edmicman · · Score: 1

    Will my wireless G with WPA-PSK work on the liveCD? I've got a Dell 600m....I hate having to go upstairs and hook into the wired internet to be able to do anything.

    1. Re:Wireless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm typing this response on a laptop running Ubuntu 6.06 with an Atheros A/B/G card .. connected go a G AP with WPA-PSK/TKIP running. Not only did it work perfectly the first time, NetworkManager saw the AP, popped up a password dialog box, and let me go to town. Pretty much as smooth as my OS X laptop handled it. A++, Would Network Again, etc.

    2. Re:Wireless? by skinnygmg · · Score: 1

      the whole point of a live cd is so you can try it, without installing it, to see if it works with your junk!

  35. Ubuntu Desktop is just a placeholder by charnov · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu Desktop is just a metapackage. It's safe to remove and will not affect anything. I stumbled on that one, too.

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  36. Automatix?? by fredrik70 · · Score: 1

    Do you still have to run the automatix script in order to getr all the media codecs, etc?

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    1. Re:Automatix?? by delire · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are best to use Easy Ubuntu, reccommended by Ubuntu developers and package maintainers over competing scripts.

    2. Re:Automatix?? by digidave · · Score: 1

      Run EasyUbuntu instead, but yes, you must install them because Ubuntu isn't legally allowed to include those codecs.

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  37. No more losing packages I installed! by Clinton · · Score: 0

    Just like the subject says, while I've been using Dapper for the last few months, I would have to apt-get install openoffice.org and numerous other packages on several occasions. For some reason their update software would REMOVE them! I'm not sure if they were doing this to get their system to their idea of "pristine", but I found it extremely annoying.

    I welcome this release, and keeping the packages I've installed.

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    1. Re:No more losing packages I installed! by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      Maybe you uninstalled something that was required for the meta-package "Ubuntu-Desktop", thus causing it to be removed as well.

      I've noticed oddness with updates in Dapper if you don't have that package installed. Never showed up in Breezy, presumably because that was all security updates and not major changes to the whole desktop.

      Or maybe not. Just throwing out one possibility.

  38. Back to the good old days by mslinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Red Hat drops their free version of Red Hat Linux. They had mind-share. They owned the grass roots Linux movement. They created a huge void.

    Debian is plugging along quietly producing a great, but somewhat difficult to use (for newbies and non-unix geeks) distro. Ubuntu comes along, works closely with the Debian project to produce a polished version. Now, we're back to the good old days of Linux :)

    Red Hat *really* screwed-up, but I'm glad that Debian and Ubuntu have filled the void as they'll never pull a stunt like RH did.

    1. Re:Back to the good old days by Etyenne · · Score: 2, Informative
      Red Hat drops their free version of Red Hat Linux.

      Not quite. Actually, they renamed it "Fedora". But that's too much for some to understand ...

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    2. Re:Back to the good old days by tabdelgawad · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's fair to say Red Hat screwed up. They are still the number one commercial Linux vendor by a large margin, and their closest (only?) competitor, Novell, started immitating their Linux business model (free 'testbed' version, paid commercial offering).

      As far as I can tell, Canonical is mostly a charity funded by Shuttleworth. It is not operating under the same financial constraints as a public company with shareholders like Red Hat and Novell.

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    3. Re:Back to the good old days by mslinux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We'll have to agree to disagree.

      IMO, Ubuntu would have no traction (may not even exist) if RHL was still available. That's what I mean about screwing-up. Sure, RH is in the 'Enterprise' now along with vicious competitors such as Sun, IBM, MS, etc. Letting go of the grass roots Linux movement is where they screwed-up.

    4. Re:Back to the good old days by BiggyP · · Score: 1

      What if they'd allowed use of the redhat brand, Redhat Fedora for instance, would that have been a better move?

    5. Re:Back to the good old days by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

      >>Letting go of the grass roots Linux movement is where they screwed-up.

      Huh? Are you whining because they had a desktop version that they sold on store shelves and let you download for free, and now they only let you download the free version, and you can't buy it in a retail outlet?
      The horror, they must be bad guys.

      Fedora with its extra repositories is a much better desktop distro than the old red hat distro ever was.

      In addition, because Red Hat sells and supports an Enterprise version, they are able to finance the development of many open source things like GCJ and kernel fixes.

      If they changed the default theme to brown and sent out free CDs would it make you feel better about it?

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    6. Re:Back to the good old days by alienw · · Score: 1

      Redhat didn't screw up. The free version was pretty rough, and wasn't really very appropriate for a commercial OS vendor to develop. I like the Fedora development model a lot more, and it actually makes sense to buy the Enterprise version of redhat now. Considering how important Redhat is to Linux development, any move that puts them in a better position is a good move.

    7. Re:Back to the good old days by ClamIAm · · Score: 1
      Ubuntu comes along, works closely with the Debian project to produce a polished version.

      Whoa there cowboy. I know that Ubuntu is based off of Debian (at least for now), but I don't think it's fair to say they work "closely".

    8. Re:Back to the good old days by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Actually, they renamed it "Fedora". But that's too much for some to understand ...

      Actually, they didn't. Fedora was a community project that Red Hat muscled into and took over.

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    9. Re:Back to the good old days by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

      If they changed the default theme to brown and sent out free CDs would it make you feel better about it?

      Only if they dropped their broke-ass RPM and got with something that actually handles dependencies sanely.
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    10. Re:Back to the good old days by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

      >>Only if they dropped their broke-ass RPM and got with something that actually handles dependencies sanely.

      Huh?
      Packages don't install if their dependent packages aren't installed. That's how things are supposed to work.

      You can use yum on top of that to have it automatically pull down the dependencies. Not sure what the problem is. Can you give examples?

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    11. Re:Back to the good old days by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

      Packages don't install if their dependent packages aren't installed. That's how things are supposed to work.

      So far, so good...

      You can use yum on top of that to have it automatically pull down the dependencies.

      That's the problem. On its own, rpm eventually drives you into dependency hell.

      Package A depends on Package B. Fine, install Package B. Nope, Package B depends on Packages X, Y, and Z, each with their own dependencies, and rpm does not provide any way to trace the chain of dependencies to its end.

      RPM is fundamentally broken.

      I used RH for about 2 years, back before they added yum, and eventually I just had to give up and move to an apt-based system that could handle the full chain of dependencies.

      I've never looked back....

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    12. Re:Back to the good old days by cortana · · Score: 1

      You are comparing apples to oranges, as they say. Consider this: apt is to yum as dpkg is to rpm.

    13. Re:Back to the good old days by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

      My point is that, either because the tools weren't there yet, or I was just ignorant, I ended up in dependency hell with no way out at the time.

      The relevant part of my post is "I never looked back".

      RedHat had me, and then lost me...

      That was the point of the OP, that RH's one-time dominance of desktop Linux has evaporated.

      For me, it was rpm that drove me away.

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  39. version numbering schemes by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

    I understand the major.minor.patch system. It makes sense to me. But I've always wondered what numbers like "6.06" are supposed to mean. Do we ignore leading zeros (i.e. 6.6 - 6th release of version 6)? Are we supposed to assume a separator (i.e. 6.0.6 - 6th bugfux of version 6)? Or is this a different system of some kind altogether? It's not just Ubuntu - Opera (and others) do this too.

    1. Re:version numbering schemes by jwd-oh · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is very simple: 6.06 = 2006 June

      The previous Ubuntu version was released in 2005 October and its version was ...

      (wait for it)

      "5.10"!

    2. Re:version numbering schemes by Alkonaut · · Score: 1

      I don't think they mean "version" I think they mean release date "Ubuntu 2006.06".

    3. Re:version numbering schemes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The versioning scheme is Year.Month(Y.MM) so June = 6th month and Year = 20006 --> 6.06

    4. Re:version numbering schemes by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

      Aha! That clears it up. Thanks.

      Now if I could just figure out Opera's versioning...

    5. Re:version numbering schemes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, it represents the date of release. 2006 (6) - june (06)

    6. Re:version numbering schemes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6.06 = June 2006

    7. Re:version numbering schemes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubuntu Year.Month

      They're numbered after the month in which they were released - so Warty, 4.10, was released in October 2004, Hoary, 5.04, was released in April 2005, Breezy, 5.10, was released in October 2005, and Dapper, 6.06... well it's June isn't it.

    8. Re:version numbering schemes by MimsyBoro · · Score: 1

      Sorry but you really missed it. 6.06 -- June 2006

      The previous releases were 5.10 -- October 2005 and 5.04 -- April 2005.

      The reason is that Ubuntu releases are generaly every 6 months (they kind of messed up with Dapper).

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    9. Re:version numbering schemes by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Just assume that the zero is stupid, and they just wanted to make sure that there could be no version 6.6.6.

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    10. Re:version numbering schemes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I guess we have to wait 14 years for the 4.20 version??

      That'll be one smokin version!

    11. Re:version numbering schemes by punkrockguy318 · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu uses dates for their versioning system. Since dapper was released in 2006 in the month of June, the 06th month, it is called 6.06.

    12. Re:version numbering schemes by MarkJenkins · · Score: 1

      Actually it will be 20.4

  40. Dupey goodness? by Al+Cap0wn · · Score: 0

    http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/05/31/237259.sh tml

    There was enough unnecessary Ubuntu sackriding going on in the editorial content for the Vista article, I think we can call this one a dupe.

  41. Upgrade from FC4 by parodyca · · Score: 1

    This is great. I've been waiting for this. Now what is the best way to upgrade my two FC4 machines and one RH9? Can I install over top without any sort of reformatting?

    1. Re:Upgrade from FC4 by LuckyStarr · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you do with these machines. There are many scenarios, especially with long used installations. Only you know where all your valuable data is on your machines. Locate it and back it up.

      Desktop-Use only: It may be sufficient to just re-use your current /home directory. In case /home is a seperate partition: Bingo! Just do not format it when installing Ubuntu and give it the proper mount-point (/home). In case it is not a seperate partition: Copy all the data away (preferrably with tar), install Ubuntu, recover your /home directory from the tar-file.

      In both cases manually readd your users and re-chown your user-directories to the correct users afterwards. (chown -R user:user /home/user) This is because of different uids on different machines.

      Importatnt: Think (twice!) before you type. I am not responsible for any loss of your data.

      For Server-Use: Depends on what servers you use. Contact a sysadmin.

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  42. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by Respect_my_Authority · · Score: 1

    apt-get dist-upgrade is better for upgrading between releases. It can handle situations where new dependencies have been added or old dependencies removed. apt-get upgrade is good for upgrades where dependencies don't change (like getting security updates for the stable release).

  43. The warts on the Drake... by Azar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, I switched to Dapper Drake from Breezy Badger on April 14th. Breezy Badger had run flawless the entire time since it was released up until April 6th.. I then recieved an i915 irq wait error where X would crash and wouldn't come back up without a reboot. This would repeat itself every couple of days, and all the information I could find on it said that it was fixed in the kernel in January of 2005 by the Ubuntu devs. With no explanation of what caused the issue and with it already having been "resolved" 16 months before by the same team who produced my distro, I decided to switch to the (then) alpha of Dapper Drake. I haven't had the problem since.

    This release is the most polished and the nicest version "out of the box" that the Ubuntu team has ever released. It's a fantastic distro and one that has worked amazingly well since the alpha versions with one major glaring exception. The printing subsystem is a giant leap backwards . Cups 1.2 seems to be a large part of the problem, with the Ubuntu/Gnome print manager as the the other part. I've lost my ability to print in duplex mode which worked in Warty, Hoary, and Breezy. Print jobs now print one page at a time (rather than one continuous feed), like it's sending a 30MB per page document to the printer. Some printers don't work at all anymore. We have a Cannon ImageRunner at work that you could identify as a "LaserJet 6". I've tried every which way to get that think to work (including trying different printer models and/or drivers) and print jobs will just spool indefinitely. Right click on a printer and go to properties and it takes 7-8 seconds with 100% CPU utilization before it opens (1-2 seconds with normal load under Breezy). I don't see how this made it out the door with the printing subsystem in this state.

    Hopefully for others sakes, I'm just surrounded by the 4 or 5 models of HP and Cannon printers that suck with this version of Ubuntu and it's not a widespread issue. It's a huge disappointment and one that I hope they can fix in the coming months. Since this is my work machine, I was very excited about the 3 years of support on the desktop and I wanted to stick with this version of Linux for quite some time. Without a fix to these printing issues, it's going to be painful.

    1. Re:The warts on the Drake... by jwd-oh · · Score: 1

      Canon ImageRunner Printers? Just use a postscript driver. Any printer that has postscript, just use a postscript driver. take a look up at http://www.linuxprinting.org/ for more information.

    2. Re:The warts on the Drake... by Wylfing · · Score: 2, Funny
      You're the same guy who posts "Why no love for Rogues" on the WoW forums and launches into a screed about how horribly broken and unbalanced WoW is, aren't you? Something like:

      WoW is the most polished and the nicest version "out of the box" that any MMORPG team has ever released. It's a fantastic game and one that has worked amazingly well since the alpha versions with one major glaring exception. The rebalance for Rogues is a giant leap backwards. Equipment seems to be a large part of the problem, with talents as the the other part.

      Pretty close?

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    3. Re:The warts on the Drake... by �berhund · · Score: 1

      I've never had an easier time setting up printers on Linux than with Ubuntu and Kubuntu Dapper. The Kubuntu print manager even lets you scan your network for IPP print servers. No more hunting around for IP addresses for me. On my corporate LAN, I have 3 different printers that I use: A Konica, a Sharp, and an HP. All were easy to set up and work very well.

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    4. Re:The warts on the Drake... by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 1
      Meh - My mouse works different under 6.06 - I didn't expect it to ever work like I wanted it to, but under 5.10 it did *exactly* that. I have looked into every mouse config file on both distros - and they read line for line the same. Why they behave differently I have no idea. All I can say is - in 5.10 my mouse works like I want. Oh - and mouse config in linux blows major chow. If it doesn't autoconfig and isn't a standard mouse - good luck, welcome to the 'bad old days' of standard hardware. I never had to look into it before - never had a need. I would have thought though that a mouse would be like every other part of a linux system, customizable to the nth degree. I was hoping that you could edit a config file and map a mouse button to anything ...{sniff} ...aint so.

      Sera

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  44. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by Clinton · · Score: 0

    Just like the parent says - and to make sure there are no hitches, follow this order:

    Update your sources.list

    apt-get update
    apt-get upgrade
    apt-get dist-upgrade
    (reboot)

    And you're all set. Painless.

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  45. First distro that worked with mine by charnov · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have a laptop with a Broadcom 4306 and my AP is set for WPA-PSK (TKIP) and it works great with the new Network Manager (there were a couple of very minor gotchas that resolutions to are in the forums). The cool thing is that it now does WPA personal, enterprise (PEAP, LEAP, etc.), and WPA2, so it is ahead of Windows on this one.

    You might want to verify your card is supported (there is also ndiswrapper to use windows drivers but it is a lot more hands-on) before installing, however. Hey, if they can do Broadcom's, they should be able to figure out anything.

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    1. Re:First distro that worked with mine by Tweekster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is one nice thing about many unix interfaces, a consistent interface for setting up a class of hardware. None of this cute cuddly randomly generated interface that windows has, with a new set of utilities for every single different mfg.

      It may not always be supported in linux/freebsd but once it is, it will work in a manner consistent to the system.

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  46. Re:Automatix?? Use BUMPS instead by jwd-oh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Automatix has not been ported to Dapper yet. Use BUMPS. Its is simple and just works.

  47. real hackers don't burn CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    run the installer from your hard disk http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.htm l

  48. Arrr.... by Mathiasdm · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was going to get the torrent, but the Pirate Bay is down!

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  49. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  50. Automatix by tecker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Automatix is also highly talked about similar to easyubuntu but if you compare the features in easyubuntu.

    Pick for yourself but after trying ubuntu and the multimedia fiasco trust me and WMF, you will want one of these.

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    1. Re:Automatix by fishbot · · Score: 1

      Automatix doesn't support Dapper just yet ...

    2. Re:Automatix by tecker · · Score: 1
      Actualy it was updated reciently and now it can. From my linked forumn for Automatix.
      This is a graphical interface for installation of a lot of apps on Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu BREEZY AND DAPPER (DOES NOT WORK ON Warty or Hoary) and for tweaking a few things to get your Ubuntu box up and working in full throttle in the quickest possible timespan.
      Just giving people a choice.
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    3. Re:Automatix by fishbot · · Score: 1

      Blimey. Well, it wasn't updated when I checked before lunch ... ;-)

    4. Re:Automatix by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Autmatix is crap and fucks your system (most users will find out when upgrading to Dapper). Easyubuntu is much safer. Google the Ubuntu Forums if you don't believe me.

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    5. Re:Automatix by EvilIdler · · Score: 3, Informative

      Automatix overwrites system configurations and whatnots, and force
      various commands to say 'yes' to possibly dangerous operations.
      The #ubuntu denizens recommend againsy using it.

  51. .rpm .vs. .deb distros by Medievalist · · Score: 0

    The big difference is that the distros you mentioned are RPM-based (Red Hat and a Red Hat knockoff) while Ubuntu uses debian-style packaging.

    If you are already familiar with RPM, or you want advanced architechture support not available with .debs, you might find this to be a significant issue.

    I have to say, though, that Ubuntu is lightyears ahead of Red Hat (including Fedora) in terms of polish and hardware support. After spending a week hacking Fedora C5 to get wireless partially working on my laptop, I threw up my hands and installed breezy... which pretty much worked out of the box, done deal. The only parts I had to tinker with were 915resolution (10 minute fix to get maximum screen res, same as on Fedora) and WPA_supplicant (which is supposed to be working on Dapper, but I haven't tried it yet).

    I'm sticking with RHEL on my big corporate server farms for now, because I understand its strengths (up2date rulez!) and weaknesses (bugzillas from end-users are consistently ignored). I'm running Ubuntu on the test servers and laptop, though, to get familiar with the system, and if it works out I'll think seriously about cutting the servers over too.

    1. Re:.rpm .vs. .deb distros by kongit · · Score: 0

      why not just put debian on the server. Sarge took 3 years to get stable, and it is very stable. While debian might not look as snazzy as ubuntu, its release scheduling and the anal-retentive developers make it a very good product for servers and the like. I am not so sure that ubuntu would be the best option for a server.

    2. Re:.rpm .vs. .deb distros by Medievalist · · Score: 1

      Well, as I stated I'm very very familiar with RPM. And the corporate suits are comfortable with the Red Hat business model - up2date is just a wonderful wonderful thing in a large heavily regulated business.

      But you're right as far as debian being a nice solid server platform. Don't know about Ubuntu for that yet, it will be interesting to see if they can match debian's stability.

  52. A newbie question.... by apeeira · · Score: 1

    I know I may be hacked to pieces for asking this but here I go.... since I don't have a broadband connection to upgrade my previous version of Ubuntu (dial up is OUT of the question), is other way to upgrade to the new Ubuntu? By the way I installed it on a HP Pavillion ZE4300 and it worked like a charm!!!! If this keeps going I'm seriously thinking of dumping Windows and give it a good "vista" of the recycle bin :)

    1. Re:A newbie question.... by dmbtech · · Score: 0

      Use http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ , theyll send you absolutely *FREE* cds in the mail. It takes a while, but it is free, and good for people with dialup.

    2. Re:A newbie question.... by PsychoBrat · · Score: 1

      Just order a free one from the site! https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

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    3. Re:A newbie question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm...wondering if you should (can) order the DVD version...might have more packages you can apt-get, since you can't apt-get through the repositories unless you learn how to use Ubuntu with a dial-up package (they exist).

      P.S. Broadband service has come down considerably in price, so you may want to look into this option again...in Chicago, it's basically the same price as dial up, so there's no reason to use dial up anymore.

      So...if you can, get broadband and if you don't already have a network card installed in your box...buy one...they're very cheap.

      Good luck

    4. Re:A newbie question.... by und0 · · Score: 1

      If you know someone who has a reasonably fast connection (DSL, cable) you can follow the "Using APT Offline" guide, you can find it in the apt-doc Debian package, don't know if is present on Ubuntu, or you can find a slightly older version here: http://www.batmat.net/apt-offline/

    5. Re:A newbie question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, assuming that you have access to a broadband connection somewhere to download the iso you could do that, burn it, bring it home and add it as a repository in Apt/Synaptic.

      Alternatively if you have absolutely no internet access you could order a cd from https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ . The CD's are come free of charge. Then you could add it to the repository list again in Apt/Synaptic and upgrade away from there.

      Those are the only two ways I can think of.

    6. Re:A newbie question.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You could probably just get a CD, add the CD to your sources.list file, and do an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade.

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    7. Re:A newbie question.... by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Have someone download an Ubuntu CD iso and burn a CD for you, or have one shipped for free from Ubuntu Shipit. Log into your previous version, put the CD into the drive, and it will ask you if you want to upgrade. Ignore other posters who tell you about APT Offline Guide our adding your CD into sources.list, this is not needed anymore.

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    8. Re:A newbie question.... by apeeira · · Score: 1

      Thank you very much!!!! It worked like a charm!!!! so this is it, Windows WILL get a "Vista" to the recycle bin :) Cheers!!

    9. Re:A newbie question.... by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Thanks for letting me know, it's good to hear it worked. Cheers!

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  53. Re:No LiveCD? by ajs318 · · Score: 1

    You are indeed missing something. The same CD now doubles as both an installation CD and a live CD. What's more, unlike ordinary Debian, the packages are right there on the CD; so you don't need a working internet connection just to install it.

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  54. BitTorrent by tweakt · · Score: 3, Informative

    .torrent files are on all the mirrors. Well seeded and screaming fast right now.
    No need to wait!

  55. Installable on an external firewire disk? by wazzzup · · Score: 1

    I tried installing Dapper on an external firewire drive about a month ago and it couldn't finish install (couldn't install bootloader). I found out this was a known issue.

    Is it possible that this has been fixed? I want to give Linux a real world try by seeing if I can do my job in it for a week or so but I have a laptop with precious little space on my internal drive.

    1. Re:Installable on an external firewire disk? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      You can search for it

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  56. PARTED BROKEN by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 1

    I don't have the one from today, but downloaded a live CD last week. Couldn't install it on the drive trying to do a manual partition because the partition editor was broken. Was this remedied in the last week? Did anyone else see this problem?

    1. Re:PARTED BROKEN by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      When I first installed dapper (6.02 I think) the partition editor would allow me to partition, but the installer wouldn't figure out which partitions were supposed to be mounted where and the whole thing would fail. I managed to get it to work by manually partitioning no less than three times in one install; the third time, it took.

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    2. Re:PARTED BROKEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the same problem (I have Quantum Fireball disk), too bad they didn't leave text installer alternative until graphical one actually works.

    3. Re:PARTED BROKEN by caller9 · · Score: 1

      Yeah I had the same problem, sort of. I'm still downloading the released version. During flight 7 install from live cd on amd64 I cannot run the manual partition method. Just wont work. So I let it do automatic (all but 4GB swap allocated and mounted at / with ext3 fs).

      When I downloaded RC1 and installed from live cd only the manual partition setup works, automatic just keeps returning to the screen where you select your storage device. What storage device should I automagically partition? sda... What storage device should I automagically partition? sda.......

      Aside from that little rant, I've loved Ubuntu since I built this amd64 machine and wanted a 64 bit OS. Tried FC4 for a bit, but it pales in comparison to ubuntu breezy. I'll see how dapper stands up. I've read that it's faster than breezy for many things.

  57. Welcom onboard by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1

    Yeah Ubuntu is smooth as butter. Have been using it since Hoary and never reinstalled or had problems with it. To upgrade I just always did "apt-get dist-upgrade"

  58. Prematurely released :( ? by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've at least a dozen of original Ubuntu 5.04 CD-s over I've been giving to friends, family and so on.

    I was pretty excited since this is the first Linux distro that I could just boot and it gives me internet connectivity, nice true color desktop, firefox, irc and so on and so on right out of the box, without me touching anything.

    It was relatively intuitive to use too.

    Now however I downloaded the 6.06 ISO and it won't even run here anymore. It just run it, it shows the cursor and get stuck there forever.

    I hope the next releases work better :(

    (my system btw: Celeron 3GHz, 1GB RAM, Audigy 2, GeForce 4MX)

    1. Re:Prematurely released :( ? by Pecisk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seems that you are running LiveCD install disk. In this case, use alternative version with old-skul text installer and then propapbly all will be fine.

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    2. Re:Prematurely released :( ? by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seems that you are running LiveCD install disk. In this case, use alternative version with old-skul text installer and then propapbly all will be fine.

      Thanks I'll try. Thing is it locks up after it boots to desktop (wallpaper shows, cursor shows, moves) and freezes there, not at the setup screen.

    3. Re:Prematurely released :( ? by Andor666 · · Score: 1

      I had a similar problem with in in the first versions of Dapper. Maybe you can try something stupid I discovered that were causing the freeze:

      Shut down your computer
      Disconnect (fully, both data and power) the cdrom/dvd
      Boot your dapper again...

      Tell me something about it...

    4. Re:Prematurely released :( ? by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      Shut down your computer
      Disconnect (fully, both data and power) the cdrom/dvd
      Boot your dapper again...

      Tell me something about it...


      I believe the CD I burned from the ISO might not work if I turn off my CDROM from power and cable :)

    5. Re:Prematurely released :( ? by sweetnjguy29 · · Score: 1

      I'm having the exact same problem. I burned the ISO over 5 times onto a CD, and I even redownloaded the ISO from Bittorrent to make sure all the bits were correct and reburned as an ISO. Something is horribly wrong with this Live CD installer. And to Pecisk and all of the Ubuntu Crew, who says, "use the alternative version" of the installer, go fuck yourselves. I wasted over a half a day burning this new revolutionary Live CD -- and it didn't work. It was marketed as the next greatest thing since sliced bread to bring the masses to Ubuntu and it fell flat on its face.

      Is anyone as pissed off as I am?

    6. Re:Prematurely released :( ? by Andor666 · · Score: 1

      Ah! Live version...

      I though you had it installed... O:)

    7. Re:Prematurely released :( ? by Zwaxy · · Score: 1

      Whenever I have seen this problem, of GNOME locking up as it starts the desktop, the following has fixed it (read and remember steps 2 and 3 before running step 1, because step 1 will make this text disappear):

          * hold control and alt and press F1 to get into a virtual console
          * pkill esd
          * hold alt and press F7 to get back to the GNOME screen

      esd seems to be the process which allows you to hear annoying drummers whenever you do anything. I never miss it.

    8. Re:Prematurely released :( ? by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      Ah! Live version...

      I though you had it installed... O:)


      Yea, but how could I install it without a CD-ROM is still an interesting question I suppose...

    9. Re:Prematurely released :( ? by Andor666 · · Score: 1

      Try a 'server install' on the boot menu of the cd, theoretycally it will install on text mode, and you'll have ubuntu with no desktop system. Once it finish, you should install with apt-get the package called, ubuntu-desktop.

      That is:

      sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

      And, that's all :D

    10. Re:Prematurely released :( ? by phaggood · · Score: 1

      > insert CD just hangs

      That's the exact problem I had about a month ago when I got my new Presario V2630 (replacing a Breezy-powered Presario 2110US) - I downloaded the latest Dapper Pre-release, inserted the CD and it hung - so I went Suse 10.1 while waiting on Dapper. Yesterday, I downloaded the "Desktop" version, then saw a comment that explained later how the "Alternate" iso was designed for quirky installations (e.g it was text mode). So, w/o burning Desktop I downloaded Alternate, burned it, and 30mins later was booting a new Dapper 6 on this laptop - and after adding a few packages thru Symantic, fixing my touchpad settings and swapping out the non-functional native BCM43xx driver for the ndiswapper supported version this box is now firing on all cylinders.

      Now I just have to find some really good glue to re-affix my "LinuxBox" sticker to this laptop.

  59. Re:No LiveCD? by Respect_my_Authority · · Score: 1

    >> What's more, unlike ordinary Debian, the packages are right there on the CD; so you don't need a working internet connection just to install it.

    You are wrong. Also Debian's installer CDs have the packages right there on the CD; in this respect Debian is just like Ubuntu. And both Debian and Ubuntu want to fetch the latest security updates from the Net right after installation -- so you're wrong also there. :-P

  60. Ubuntu Logo by kuyaedz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What? Ubuntu isn't mature enough to use its official logo on slashdot? We have to use Debian instead? (disclaimer: this is in no way negative toward Debian. Debian is great, fine, etc, etc.) Someone get the logo updated.

  61. You have to update your sources 1st by Kancer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well most people will have to update their apt-get sources.list. This is how:

    Change your sources.list to reflect the sources.list as shown on [WWW] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666:

    sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_bkup

    Then:

    sudo wget http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d6666 -O /etc/apt/sources.list

    Save the file and then type this in a terminal:

    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y

    1. Re:You have to update your sources 1st by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the correction - I misread the OP as saying he'd installed one of the dapper betas.

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    2. Re:You have to update your sources 1st by Knuckles · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is deprecated (at least for newbies), read the Upgrade Notes

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  62. Adept by Apostata · · Score: 1

    As much as I'm drooling at the prospect of upgrading to Dapper (Kubuntu), I can't understand why they keep pushing Adept as a package manager. Using the version shipped with 5.10, it seems like a defanged Synaptic...without the ability to see what files are installed with packages (which is helpful when you're trying to troubleshoot). Has Adept improved since then?

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    1. Re:Adept by megabyte405 · · Score: 1

      You're certainly free to use Synaptic - it is installed by default with Ubuntu (no K) and likely works just fine in Kubuntu.

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    2. Re:Adept by eledu81 · · Score: 0

      Adept is now 2.0 with many improvements:

      Adept 2.0 will add the ability to find more detailed package information including a file list, relations to other packages and available information

      https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperPackageManag er

    3. Re:Adept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes a lot!

  63. Ask the video card companies by babbling · · Score: 1

    We need the cooperation of the video card companies. The only thing preventing what you describe is the lack of a Free Software driver for nvidia/ati cards.

    I'm not sure about this, but it might be possible to reverse-engineer the proprietary drivers to see what they do, and build a Free Software driver based on that.

    Compromising the principles of our community just to get more people into our community is pointless, though.

    1. Re:Ask the video card companies by ClamIAm · · Score: 1
      I'm not sure about this, but it might be possible to reverse-engineer the proprietary drivers to see what they do, and build a Free Software driver based on that.

      Well, the ATI cards up to the X850 family currently have an experimental driver being worked on at x.org/DRI/Mesa3d. Some of it may have been reverse-engineered, but I don't know if that's the case.

  64. And a 'keyboard damage alert' by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 2, Funny

    funniest thing i've seen all day. An I live in Texas

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  65. XP ready to be thrown against wall by jbeaupre · · Score: 2, Funny

    Friggin' XP asked for a reboot yesterday after installing the genuine windows advantage check whatever " critical update." WTF? XP might be ready for the desktop, but it's almost ready to be hurled against a hard surface too.

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    1. Re:XP ready to be thrown against wall by TheDreadSlashdotterD · · Score: 1

      it's almost ready to be hurled against a hard surface too.

      Some of us consider that an upgrade.

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  66. Caution: PCMCIA services killed my machine by mccalli · · Score: 1
    Breezy->Dapper. Got to the bit where it says "Starting PCMCIA services..." part way through apt-get dist-upgrade --show-upgraded. Never came back. Had to pull the power plug and reboot - now it's tsuck at "Starting PCMCIA Services..." during boot and won't go anywhere.

    One dead machine. I'm burning a rescue CD whilst typing this, should be able to get it back by removing anything to do with PCMCIA. But still, you get the level of annoyance.

    Cheers,
    Iam

    1. Re:Caution: PCMCIA services killed my machine by Doctor+Crumb · · Score: 1

      hmm, I seem to have the same problem. it's not really a *dead* machine, just a very, very slow machine... I suspect that something is polling to find my PCMCIA devices, which I don't freaking have. Sigh. That's what you get for upgrading on release day, I suppose.

    2. Re:Caution: PCMCIA services killed my machine by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Went home at lunch to check on my Kubuntu upgrade (done with Adept) and had the same problem -- went online (on the same system with the hung-up upgrade -- which, itself, was a surprising and welcome capability) and found a suggestion solution, reboot to recovery mode and use dpkg --configure -a. Seems to have solved the problem, but now I've got some kind of, I assume, X problem (Kubuntu starts up fine up to -- I think -- the point of loading the GUI logon screen, which flashes -- again, I think, not quick enough to see for sure what it is -- and then returns to the splash screen. When I go home again tonight I'll have to try to figure that one out.

      Ctrl-Alt-Del does a proper, orderly shutdown, though, so the OS appears to be working. If the remaining problem is straightforward, it'll still probably be my easiest OS upgrade since the days of pre-hard-disk DOS when "upgrading" meant you stick in the DOS 3.0 diskette rather than the DOS 2.11 one.

      But it wasn't as painless as I was hoping it would be.

    3. Re:Caution: PCMCIA services killed my machine by Barromind · · Score: 1

      This happened to me also with some of the beta updates. What I did was frankly rude, but worked: booted into single user, hitting Ctrl-C like crazy in the console during boot up to avoid the PCMCIA thing. Once I reached a shell, I removed that service from rc.d

      So yeah, it's a big pain but you haven't lost your installation.

    4. Re:Caution: PCMCIA services killed my machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This issue was fixed by pcmcia-cs 3.2.8-5.2ubuntu6 in the updates repository, which will be automatically used by the upgrade process.

  67. upgrade without the command line by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1
    its as easy as:

    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -yqq dist-upgrade

    That's how I did the upgrade, also. It's just like a regular Debian distro in that regard.

    What is the official way for those with a pathological fear of the command line and/or a fixation on doing everything via the GUI ?

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    1. Re:upgrade without the command line by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      What is the official way for those with a pathological fear of the command line and/or a fixation on doing everything via the GUI ?

      Can I also assume you have a pathological fear of reading the entire thread? ;-)

      Anyway, you boot, wait for the update manager to tell you there's a new release, then choose upgrade. Not too hard huh?

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    2. Re:upgrade without the command line by Knuckles · · Score: 1
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  68. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by megabyte405 · · Score: 1

    No, don't do that! The "Ubuntu Way" is to use the upgrade manager, it will take care of upgrading you safely from 5.10 to 6.06, with all the little hitches taken care of automatically.

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  69. What about ATI Card Support? by Sh!fty · · Score: 1

    I have tried to install Ubuntu in the past, I think it was the Breeze version (about october last year) and everything was going smooth until the first reboot when everthing (I mean everything!) freezes when the splash image comes up. I tried it on another computer and the same thing happened. I later found out that it was because both computers have ATI graphic cards...Any word on this?

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    1. Re:What about ATI Card Support? by Eberlin · · Score: 1

      There seems to be a bit of an issue with "older" ATI cards. I think mine's a 9xxx Radeon type, I forget exactly what. The fglrx drivers give out errors when running anything 3D accelerated (including OpenOffice!?) It throws a bunch of API errors. Nothing frozen like you report, though.

      From what has been posted online, ATI knew these issues weeks ahead of them releasing the new drivers and still released them as is. Damned closed-source drivers, I tell ya.

      I bit the bullet and basically did a dist-upgrade on the last RC, and while for the most part everything seems to have come out ok (had to redo restricted formats, etc), the 3D acceleration was bork. Someone online had suggested replacing libGL.so.1.2 (IIRC) with an older version. Sure, it got rid of the error messages, but still left the machine with software rendering. Not good if you're an Enemy Territory addict.

      So on that machine, I had to boot back to Windows to get my ET fix. So I'm with you on this one...what about ATI card support?

      I've got Breezy on a laptop, Hoary on an older machine (got ISAPNP sound working, don't want to touch it unless it's bork), and now the RC Dapper with borken 3D acceleration on another machine. I love the Ubuntu...but please oh please can I have my 3D acceleration back with Dapper? :)

    2. Re:What about ATI Card Support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the same problem too just a couple days before being released the stable version :-(. Just do the following:
      1.- Download the previous working version from: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.co m/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.24.8-x86.ru n
      2.- Follow the instructions for the new driver 8.25.18 and compile manually the packages just as described in the Unofficial ATI Linux Driver Wiki:
      http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Ins tallation_Guide#Method_2:_Generating.2FInstalling_ Ubuntu_packages_for_the_8.25.18_drivers_in_Ubuntu_ Dapper_Manually

      That should restore your drivers the way they were and will get 3D acceleration back again. The procedure will work out nicely on a 6.06 Dapper / LTS box.

      Cheers.
      Carlos.

  70. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by hiroko · · Score: 1

    Will Update Manager be able to use CDs, for those with poor connectivity?

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  71. Thank you and congrats to Ubuntu Team! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From Annonymous Ubuntu user :)

    Man you guys are good. Congrats! Great job. I think and hope that the world would appreciate your effort in adding another strong competitor to Windoz.

    ~Leo

  72. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    Just stick the CD into the drive, it will ask if you want to upgrade (assuming you didn't mess with System/Preferences/Removable Media, I guess)

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  73. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    1. Doing an apt-get upgrade (as opposed to dist-upgrade) when upgrading the install to a new version is a recipe for disaster
    2. Debian now recommend aptitude, not apt-get, to do dist-upgrades - it's smarter
    3. In Ubuntu, dist-upgrade is deprecated (at least for newbies), read the upgrade guide. The Update Manger takes care of it automatically

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  74. Kubuntu by billybob2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kubuntu 6.06 has also been released and is fully supported by Canonical. You can download it and order free Kubuntu CDs through Shipit.

    Kubuntu features the latest version of the ever popular and advanced K Desktop Environment, which has killer apps such as the AmaroK music player, the Kaffeine movie player, the Konqueror file manager and web browser, and the KOffice suite.

  75. irc channel is not very friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't expect much help there. I hopped on to ask a question, and was greeted with "just ask it" when I pasted my issue, they threw a hissy and removed my ability to talk in the channel and it was only a few lines, I know better than to flood an irc channel.

    Just a word of warning, try forums or some other resource if you run into an issue.

  76. dapper dvd torrent links are still pointing to bre by arf_arf_arf · · Score: 1

    at the bottom of http://www.ubuntu.com/download you wanna change this:

    http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/ dvd/
    to this:
    http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/ dvd/

    i figured it'd really torque me off if i downloaded 3+g only to notice after the fact that it's the previous release - so i tried posting a bug, but it just kept replying twith the oh-so-useful "an error occurred".

    oh well - emailed 'em, i'm sure it's somewhere in their queue. maybe posting it here will help somebody out, maybe not.

  77. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by bignickel · · Score: 1
    Since Update Manager isn't automatically updating (as of now), and the sources.list linked to in the parent has been slashdotted, here is the sources.list you should use for the upgrade:
    # Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake sources.list

    ## All officially supported packages, including security- and other updates
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted
    deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted

    ## The source packages (only needed to recompile existing packages)
    #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted
    #deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
    #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted

    ## All community supported packages, including security- and other updates
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse
    deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates universe multiverse

    ## The source packages (only needed to recompile existing packages)
    #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse
    #deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe multiverse
    #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates universe multiverse

    # For more possible sources, all eperimental and to be used with caution, visit
    # http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
  78. Edgy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whew...now that that is behind us, let's start the countdown to Edgy Eft.

  79. While it is HOT? by jma05 · · Score: 1

    > Run on over to the download site while it's still hot.

    While it is 1.4 K/s hot?
    (Can't use a torrent on my network).

  80. Cinelerra--unusably bad UI by Fallingcow · · Score: 0, Troll

    The UI is ugly, slow, and poorly designed.

    And when I say ugly, I mean UGLY.

    REALLY, REALLY ugly.

    Think of the worst-looking, slowest UI from a Windows 98-era hobby-project Visual Basic program that you've ever seen.

    Now, imagine if it were even uglier and slower.

    There, now you have Cinelerra.

    I'm not trolling. If you think I am, then you've obviously never used this program. The UI is the equivilent of a website with heavy use of frames, blink tags, scrolling marquees, and "under construction" animated gifs. Seriously.

    Don't believe me? OK then, I'll show you. There, that screenshot is a pretty good representation of what you'll see when you first open the program. Note the purple, teal, and tan color scheme. That's not a window manager theme, that's just this program. It always looks like that. Ugh.

    1. Re:Cinelerra--unusably bad UI by HeroreV · · Score: 1

      Wow, that really is quite bad. That really may be the ugliest UI I've ever seen.

  81. Kubuntu is blue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, Kubuntu is blue

  82. If the upgrade option isn't appearing... by FhnuZoag · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I was updating, I had a problem that the update option stopped appearing in update-manager.

    There's a bunch of possible reasons. One may be that the mirrors haven't updated yet, in which case you'll have to wait. My problem was that when I rejected the update for the first time, update-manager for some reason stops displaying the update for 24 hours or something. (Devs, this isn't very smart behaviour...)

    I found the way to solve this issue on the forums:

    Run:

    sudo update-manager -d

    (I'm not sure what this does, and update-manager shockingly lacks a manpage, but it worked for me.)

    1. Re:If the upgrade option isn't appearing... by nhaines · · Score: 1

      This causes Update Manager to display a version upgrade that is still in pre-release status. For example, I ran it on the kids' machine a month or two ago and didn't go through with the upgrade, then sent the logs into Michael Vogt by email so he could see whether the upgrade tool was working properly.

      I think if a major upgrade fails, waiting 24 hours seems reasonable--if there were server problems, a day would be long enough for the replication issues to sort themselves out.

  83. Upgrade from Breezy vs. Re-Install? by tji · · Score: 1

    I set up a MythTV server using the "Breezy Badger" release not too long ago. It's still fairly clean, so I can fairly easily just wipe the system and install 6.06 from scratch. But, I'm wondering if this is really necessary.

    What are the pros and cons of installing from scratch versus an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on my existing box?

    1. Re:Upgrade from Breezy vs. Re-Install? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Following the correct upgrade process gives you the same system as a reinstall. It is dead easy too. Read here

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    2. Re:Upgrade from Breezy vs. Re-Install? by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 1
      No it's not. Apt upgrading is a really nice system, but it's definitely not dead easy if the system has already been used extensively (as in, lots of configuration files have changed). Saying so is just false advertisement.

      During the upgrade, you will have to be able to decide if you want to keep or upgrade (or mix) configuration files that have been chaged since the installation of the original OS version -- this is not always trivial, as the changes may have been done by a setup script or something similar (not by hand anyway).

      Luckily, if something goes wrong, it's usually fixable by purging the offending piece of software and re-installing it...

    3. Re:Upgrade from Breezy vs. Re-Install? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      I see your point, but
      (1) The OP said, "it's still fairly clean", to the point were a reinstall would not lose him anything
      (2) If a user has changed config files, I don't see why he/she should suddenly be unable to figure out what changes to keep. I understand your point re setup scripts, but that's really not that often the case. (But yes, it does, and bugs should be filed against packages that do this IMHO - it's confusing being asked about config files one definitely hasn't touched)
      (3) Somebody who undertakes installing MythTV is not a newbie in my book
      (4) When the upgrade finds a changed config file, there is always the option to just install the new version, same as a fresh install
      (5) We are not talking about aptitude dist-upgrade, but about the new update-manager functionality in Ubuntu. I haven't tried it yet (dist-upgraded to Dapper before it was available), but as far as I read, it does more than aptitude/apt-get - it is said it takes care of changes that can not be expressed as package dependencies. I am assuming that it is capable of upgrading a clean system without a lot of questions

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  84. Ubuntu's Live CDs DO SUXZ0Rz by sweetnjguy29 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ubuntu's Live CDs have always sucked. I downloaded the Hoary Live CD and it never seemed to work properly. Today, I spent all morning downloading the Dapper CD...twice! Both times the ISO crapped out on me and didn't boot properly on start up. It displayed an insert curser and hung for 2 minutes. Then it went to Grub. I am now using Bittorrent to download the alternate install CD which hopefully will work.

    I love Ubuntu, but this live cd graphical installer, IMHO, is a complete and utter failure. Shame on Ubuntu for putting this kind of crap out. I've wasted half a day trying to get the CD to work. I'm not using weird hardware...I have a common Asus Mobo and an Athlon 64 chip. There is no reason for this not to work. I consider myself a sophistocated Linux user, and if a newb had to go through all this trouble, they would have quit by now. Arg.

    I am usually an Ubuntu FanBoy, so please, feel free to mod me down as a Troll. But its true. Dapper seems to be sucking pretty hard right now.

  85. Mod parent +1! by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

    Good call. I've been trying to download this since it was released this morning using the best GPL download manager I've found for OS X (Camino, lol!) but I keep getting cut off/super slow downloads (=7kbps). This is faaantastic.

  86. Of course... by Syrae · · Score: 1

    Only yesterday I convinced my officemates to try Ubuntu as our new server's OS... We spent the day playing with it, and this morning we noticed the new release. Hand + Forehead action ensued. Thankfully the upgrade process doesn't look too difficult... once the upgrade gets released to the channel.

  87. What a waste. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone put Lin-sux on a Mac? Don't you value things like security, speed, usability, consistency and sheer power? DOn't you like using an OS that wont get you labelled a communist and a pirate?

    Christ, sometimes I think Apple should only sell their hardware to people who meet a minimum IQ level.

    1. Re:What a waste. by goofyheadedpunk · · Score: 1

      Dear Troll,

      The most trollish of trolls are often clever, subtle and biting. You, dear sir, a simply a twit with no skill and too many commas. To be quite blunt about it, you are the worst troll I have ever read. I hope that sometime very soon you find yourself cornered in a dark alley way by a man named Bitsy who intends to sodomize you with a rake. I hope that rake is rusty. I hope that rake has also been used far too many times for this purpose, infecting you with all sorts of vicious diseases.

      After the sodomy it is my sincere hope that you'll look back on your life, gape in terror at the shortness of your future and realize that your time here on earth could have been much better spent.

      Grow the fuck up and learn how to structure an insult.

      Hoping you get ass-raped with a rake,
      goofyheadedpunk

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  88. Very impressive 2 thumbs up! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    I decided to liveboot the cd just now on my el-cheapo Compaq pressario 4000 laptop expecting a load of problems and it booted right up.

    My system is a hackers nightmare.

    The intel based wifi, the winsoundcard, touchpad, and even the mmc card reader works!

    I switched to FreeBSD from Linux around 2001 after countless alpha and beta quality linux distro's that were supposed to be stable kept fustrating me. Isn't this why I left Windows and yet w2k doesn't have this problem??

    But so far ubuntu beat my expectations.

    Even the crappy intel based 945G graphics chip is smooth with the video with great color and zero clipping. My athlonXP+2400 with its nvidia 6600 is a little clippy with video under non ubuntu distro's.

    I only found one bug that is the fault of compaq since it uses a PS/2 filter in software to save $.15. The text will move randomly across this post as I type but I have seen this with a default install of XP. There is a software linux version of a ps/2 filter I have to install but other than that its flawless. Good work

  89. Problem Solved! by sweetnjguy29 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if anyone knows why burning CDs is such an issue with this particular release.

    I was finally able to burn the alternate ISO to CD in Linux using Breezy's Nautilus Burning Utility. Simple as right clicking on the disk image and selecting burn to CD. Why on earth I couldn't create a disk image under XP is beyond me. I used three different ISO burning programs with no luck. This is a serious issue if we want Windows XP users to switch over to Linux and Ubuntu. I think a powerful GPL ISO burning program for Windows should be linked to in the download section. A lot of people only have access to the OEM version of Nero and not the more powerful Nero Burning ROM...so, something needs to be done. And its not as if I haven't burned ISOs before, I've done tons! I did 8 CDs for Debian for chirsts sake, with no hitches.

    So, is there a special burn procedure that needs to be used for these CDs under XP???

  90. SHOCKING DEVELOPMENT by matt+me · · Score: 0, Troll

    I visited release.ubuntu.com and found this

    SITE DOWN - WILL BE UP AND FULLY FUNCTIONAL WITHIN A DAY OR TWO

    In the morning of 2006-05-31 the Unitied Kingdom Metropolitan Police showed a search warrant to employers of Canonical Ltd. The warrant was valid for all datacentres of Canonical Ltd and was directed at Ubuntu. The allegation was breach of copy-right law, infringement of patents held by Microsoft, assisting piracy by distributing software freely, and theft of intellectual property from the SCO unix group.

    The police officers were allowed access to the racks where the Ubuntu servers and other servers are hosted. All servers in the racks were clearly marked as to which sites run on each. The police took down all servers in the racks, including ubuntuforums, to silence any debate.

    The south african entrepreneur and space tourist Mark Shuittleworth was taken in for questioning by the police, under more serious allegations of creating Ubuntu linux to harm American business interests in the companies Microsoft and Apple.

  91. Media Blitz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not that anyone should listen to an Anonymous Coward, but everyone here has a financial interest in the success of Ubuntu. How about everyone contact their local news station with links and such, promoting it as the Windows-killer. Give Rick Romero something new to talk about.

    Trailer parks across America will be trying out this new "oo-bun-too".

  92. Very impressive, thanks! by mrraven · · Score: 1

    The first Linux install EVER for me to properly detecect my mouse, video card, lan, and screen sceen resolution and I tried Mandrake back in the day when you needed top know sectors and cylinder numbers, and Ubutu 5.04 two different times, this one just works, yah! It's the first Linux I would recomend to a Windoze or Mac user. While I still need my Mac for Final Cut Pro and Photoshop and Windoze for games I think this is a big leap forward for Linux on the desktop, congrats to the developers for a fine effort.

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  93. African? by fforw · · Score: 1
    But I have to say that I believe the ubuntu colors to be chosen for warmth, readability & usability, rather then out of some nebulous fashion need.
    I always connected the brownish colors to it coming from Africa. (with brown being the stereotypical african color)
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  94. Problem solved! by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    The dpkg --configure -a did, as it seemed, fix the PCMCIA hang, and all I had to do to fix the video problem was apt-get install nvidia-glx. Relatively painless upgrade with minimal downtime. I'm happy.

  95. LTS? by ojek · · Score: 1

    What does the "LTS" stand for?

    1. Re:LTS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Long Term Support.

      Although it could also stand for Linux Terminal Server, which is a function an Ubuntu box can perform very nicely (get the ltsp-utils package via Synaptic).

    2. Re:LTS? by jpkeating · · Score: 1

      long-term support

  96. No joke: Sun will offer Ubuntu on UltraSparc T1 by jaming · · Score: 1
  97. One-command LAMP setup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From http://www.ubuntu.com/news/606released:
    The Server Edition of Ubuntu 6.06 LTS includes a unique mechanism to set up a standardized, certified, and supported LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP) server with a single command.

    What a great idea. As a newb-ish Linux user this would be a terrific relief - I'm assuming it will be installed with excellent security defaults too.

    Suggested names for this feature:
    - LAMPlite
    - HeadLAMP
    - The LAMP Button
    - LAMP switch
    - LAMPoon
    - LAMPon? (perhaps not :-)

    Kudos to the Ubuntu team. Another thoughtful feature, done well.

  98. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by nhaines · · Score: 1

    Sadly, it doesn't seem so, although if you stick the CD into the drive and register it as a source, then cancel Synaptic popping up, and then run the release migration tool, it might pull the unchanged files from the CD. I didn't get time to run this scenario in VMware, though.

  99. ATI Card Support sucks big time, xinerama also by giorgosts · · Score: 1

    Ati has some serious bugs with their linux drivers, at least for my hardware configuration (9600 (agp8x) on Intel 845 (agp4x)). DRI freezes X. have to reset. I know this cause i've tried suse 10.1, kororaa, kubuntu5.10 and ditto 6.06, with all available configurations. OSS driver doesnt freeze, but no DRI, no tv. Ive installed kubuntu with fglrx, xinerama overscans monitor and i cant see. no way to change resolution. In suse 10.1, xinerama works just fine. A similar bug in xinerama existed also in kubuntu5.10(there was no way to move to second display). So, what would take to a man to watch movies in his tv? buy a new computer? switch to windows? switch to suse?

  100. SPARC! by scott_karana · · Score: 1

    Where in the world is the SPARC support, especially for the T1 Niagara, that was promised for 6.06 just this last week?

  101. Re:Upgrade Procedure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "EXTREMELY IMPORTANT! Make sure you type dist-upgrade rather than upgrade . The process will totally hose your machine and render it *completely unbootable* otherwise."

  102. ubuntu is not debian by libroblanco · · Score: 1

    Yes, ubuntu and debian share lots of packages.
    But the approach is radically different and differences between them are growing day by day.

    On the other hand, where is that support?. In spain where I work for there is nobody who works for Canonical (as far as I know) so if you want an onsite support you're dead.

    Long way to go for canonical to be a real competitor of Red hat and Suse (from the commercial and support point of view, not from the technical side)

    When a ubuntu topic in Slashdot?

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