>I would argue that the entire point of civilization is to protect the weak and/or stupid.
I totally disagree with that viewpoint. Do you have any reference material (books, essays) to support that viewpoint?
I have no reference material to support my viewpoint, but having read your comment i am inclined to research this.
My viewpoint is that civilization is a side effect of selfishness. I want to be fitter, stronger, faster. I can be more successful if i cooperate with other people. I can be even more successful if i can control other people, and have them follow my rules.
Civilization has a track record of treating the weak and the poor very badly.
If you are infact correct that civilization was 'designed' for the explicit 'purpose' of protecting the weak and the dumb, i would love to see the proof.
as a kid my dad was a farmer, and i can remember some incredible hair storms, i remember one in '84 or '85 it destroyed everything, and blew a metal grain silo over and 100 yards away.
I was thinking about this a few weeks ago, and i figured being a programmer what sounds perfectly normal to me might be incomprehensible to my grandparents. To test this theory I used as a sample data set the last few months of my own personal email and (msn/yahoo/aim) chat logs.
Reading through it I realized alot (20%?) of my emails and chat's would be completely incomprehensible to someone 50 years older than me.
This was IM'd to a friend a few weeks ago, we've got a hardware based vpn tunnel always-on between our houses, just a fun playground to try out network activity's. We have our own AD domain setup and all the computers at both locations in the same forest. with that in mind, this was the message:
"hey! i'm back up. i reconfigured my routers subnet to 192.168.15.* and updated the dhcp reservation for the fileserver 'jasmine', in case dns/wins name resolution doesn't work right away, the ip's now 15.10 . If you want to remote desktop to jasmine through the vpn tunnel it should work just fine, i've already joined everyone back to the domain. "
now, 1) i know that every profession has its own vocabulary, and this slashdot article is more about 'common language', but still, what i wrote, for me at least, is common language, so i consider it fair game.
i've kinda forgotten my point, i guess i just agree with the parent, alot of what we today consider normal usage wouldnt make any sense to an 80 year old person.
everyone does seem to think that giving humans this fine level of control over our own procreation is a bad thing, and i'm with you... it seems like quite a good thing.
From age 16 to age 22 I tried to be a Linux person. But for every reason you've mentioned I've given up.
I still run linux for _Linux_ activities apache+php / fileserving. But I don't think I'll ever again make it a desktop system.
Kyle
(background: I love slackware, its my favorite linux distro, its a wondeful, stable server OS. I have a dedicated linux server in my house for filesharing and media center type stuff. And I use linux Virtual Machines at work all the time. Linux has its place, Routers, Servers, embedded systems, But as a desktop/office/gaming OS, I just cant see it ever sitting on top. )
I think you make a very good point, there ARE alot of things around the house that would be 'printable' cups, cd cases, are excellent examples. Your post got me thinking, and I can imagine lots of things that could be printed on cheap plastic. Adding to your list; Im assuming the plastic has a little bit of heat resistance, is non-toxic, and is cheap. There are lots of items, that you buy right now for 5-10 dollars that i imagine could easily be just printed.
Kitchen: - Spatula's - fork/knife/spoon/plates/bowls for camping - tupperware containers - ice cube trays - spice rack - fruit bowls / those things that you hang your banana's on. - paper towel holders - that rack you put hand washed dishes on. - bread boards - depending on thermal properties: cookie trays ? - pet food bowl / water bowl
Living room: - ehh, cant think of anything, i have a pretty simple livingroom
Bedroom: - fish tank stuff ( those fake plants, and crap like that ) - how flexible/rubbery would the plastic be?? thinking custom made toys. - piggy bank - coat hangers - laundry basket - garbage cans - *alarm clock* - i break the plastic shell on alarm clocks pretty often, if i could download and print off a new plastic shell i wouldnt have to buy a new alarm clock every couple months. and i think this idea extends to many items that have plastic shells. - *replacement plastic parts* - going with the alarm clock idea, my telephone/tv remote, the battery covers EVENTUALLY break, it would be wonderful if i could just print off a new battery cover when that happens. - *picture frame* - if the plastic could be transparent, you could make the entire frame, transparent plastic and all. I have posters some of which have odd sizes, and rather than just having the paper tacked to the wall, i could make like a fun custom frame that takes 3 pictures all at funny angles and puts 'em together as a single frame.
Bathroom - cant think of anything...
Office - i'v got nothing to add.
A family house with the kids, dog, 2 car garage probably wouldnt print out many of these items. But If your 18, just moved out, dont HAVE any of those normal things, getting a 3d printer would be great. I used plastic plates for the first 4 years away from home, I hung all my pictures up with tacks and my laundry basket was the floor in the far corner of the room.
As the red team clearly illustrated, it only takes a few minutes to gain access to a Linux box via single user mode, bypass BIOS passwords by shorting out the motherboard
This also has nothing to do with a sysadmins job. If you put your servers physically in the hands of an attacker, there is nothing you can do to stop them quite by definition.
The sysadmin is responsible for securing the servers, even physically. Part of the backup plan at my office includes offsite backups in case of physical theft . But I would presume its pretty standard knowledge that your servers are locked up, with no physical access.
So either these players are just dumb, or they werent given the option of physical lockdown.
Your scenario is quite realistic, but then, scoring should be based on time to secure the network, not how many times the hackers can break in.
In that game, they were being scored for how many times they could get hacked, in the real world, if you did enter a hacked office, time would be critical, but over the course of a long weekend the office would be locked down and cleaned up.
So in my mind, if this was supposed to be realistic, the scoring would be between teams of sysadmins, see who can completely secure their hacked network the fastest. Because given enough time, ( not counting 0day exploits and malicious employees ) a network CAN BE almost completely secured.
The part that made it all kinda absurd for me was this:
"You also can't see the pre-installed rootkit/keylogger that resides on the server. These are the types of real world issues that IT professionals have to deal with..."
thats not a real world scenario, you build your servers off the network, you have cd's with all the latest patches, you install antivirus. and you have trusted people do this. By the time a server hits the network its got antivirus, patches, and is totally locked down.
Next absurdity:
(in reference to detecting the rootkit) "a couple of the teams installed "illegal" software and detected the presence of something unusual, but once they were forced to remove the software due to an onsite audit, the illicit activity was seemingly forgotten"
AN ONSITE AUDIT!!! are you kidding. if these sysadmin's had a concern, they would buy the software needed to deal with the problem, so why was the software illegal? did they have an 'imaginary budget' ??? Shit like that proves that this whole event was just a gong show.
Business Injects: "and the grading is tough. For example, one inject was to install a web statistics application that is accessible from the/webstats folder in one hour."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO.... wow.. thats supposed to be a 'realistic scenario'???
If its for an intranet, then its probably not that critical, probably just some boss wanting to try something he read about in "IT Management Weekly - Website Management", and if its for something on the internet, then your webhosting company would take care of it. If you are the webhosting company, then you've probably already got a solution in place for this request. So the whole scenario is NOT realistic in ANY WAY.
I'll stop now, but every single paragraph had something worth laughing at.
The whole event sounds pretty absurd.
>> this is news for anti-capitalist tree-huggers I concede that was going a little far.
I'm not arguing the morals of haliburton or the 2 people you mention. I'm simply saying its not a slashdot topic.
Haliburton may very well be a bad company, and Cheney, Bush may very well be unpleasant people, I just didn't think slashdot was the place for discussing that topic.
No shit. I really dont get why so much politics show up on here; and haliburton they arent even a tech company.
Slashdot really needs posted story moderation.
"Story Voted -1 for USA centric" "Story Voted -1 for not News for Nerds"
This isnt news for nerds, this is news for anti-capitalist tree-huggers
Woo hoo, some company's moving their headquarters.
The only reason this is news is because alot of people think haliburton is an evil company, and everything evil companies do is for evil reasons.
Either you trust your american justice system, or you dont. If you dont trust your justice system, then haliburton is the very least of your worries. If you do trust your justice system, then you can trust that if they DO break the law, they will be dealt with.
i have thought about this too. nothing really to add. it just seems like a good idea.
i think the major obstacle to overcome would be skills required.
most physical labor requires a little bit of skill, and is quite repetitive.
alot of people who go to the gym wanna ride a bike for 15 minutes, run laps on a padded track with their expensive ergonomic running shoes for 15 minutes, safely in a controlled enviroment lift exactly 15 lbs, 20 times, then use the ellipitical machine for 12 minutes while they watch some show on their private lcd display.
the other group of people wanna gain muscle mass, so they want benchpress 200 lbs , 5 times with a spotter. once again a safe controlled enviroment.
translating those into real world activities, the person going for muscle mass wont get what he wants out of it. and the aerobic person... the aerobic person might go for it. cuz they really are going for overall health.
now you have to consider the actual activities, most gym members want to go in, work for 40 minutes, have a shower, and get out. if it was a community activity, getting to the location, and doing 40 minutes of work? you would barely get started.
from your list: Roads, housing, bridges, new infrastructure. in most cities, 'housing' is the only thing a community group could help with, and even then, working on a house, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, roofing, drywalling, painting. ALL specialized skills, most requiring the person is licensed to do it at all. you cant just build a new wall in a house and throw some copper wire in, there are electical codes to follow. Building permits are needed if its anything remotely big. and most of those jobs require a group of people working together for more than 35-45 minutes. and for all those activities that require specialized skills, well specialists arent gonna do it just its just their normal day job.
So i too like the idea of harnessing all the wasted effort, but translating it into community service is hard.
and last of all, if somethings worth doing, its worth paying for. so if your doing this service for free, it means it wasnt important enough to be funded in the first place.
I've seen people posting "you dont _really_need_ MMORPG, streaming audio/video" . Those people can fuck off and switch back to dialup. I am certainly not gonna give up my bandwidth.
From my home I have vpn's connected to 4 remote locations. Video confrencing and shared whiteboards are used on a daily to weekly basis, and VOIP is used almost non-stop. From anywhere in the world, I have full audio-video communication with anyone at those location.
I LOVE the technology, I LOVE my 10Mbit internet connection.
My family lives very far away, without audio/video communication i would only get to see them once a year, and I moved around alot while growing up so many of my good friends also live far away.
[ VPN + 10Mbit internet + Streaming audio/video ] has changed my life. when I get home at the end of the day, I call my brother on skype, video loads up. skype is on auto-answer, so it picks up and i can see him 6 feet away playing xbox-live, i speak loudly into the mic "Hey bro!" he looks over at the camera quickly waves yells " hey! give me 5 minutes" and continues playing. meanwhile over the vpn, I upload some photos i took at lunch to the server at his house. then using vnc i remote into his system and import them into picasa for him. 5 minutes later he shows up and we start chatting. while chatting we see my sister sign into skype, so we start a confrence call and she shows us some new purse she baught. My brothers in california, sisters in pennsylanvia, and i'm in canada. Without internet we would be reduced to an expensive long distance phone calls, and snail mailing CD's with photos.
a bunch of bullet holes causing enough decompression for the passengers to need extra oxygen
lose the plane, without a fireball
I immediately jumped to argue the myths some people believe without considering all the _real_ consiquences.
How many concealed carry owners are trained for a shootout in a confined space where the oxygen level is rapidly dropping with your only oxygen mask tied to the ceiling above you, restricting your movements.
And overall I agree with you ( I read the post/thread you linked to), Handguns on a plane would just be bad.
I'm just being nitpicky. I agree with the point of your post ( civilian with gun, soldier without ).
I'm not sure i agree with you about the handguns, air-pressure, and fuel, stuff.
warning: I know it's silly for me to take the show Mythbusters as fact.
There was an episode of mythbusters in which they tested what would happen to a plane if firearms were used. Discharging a firearm and having the bullet puncture the plane caused nothing to happen. Even when they pressurized the plane as it would be at 30,000 feet, the hole in the window was completely inconsequential. The person sitting next to the window would hear a little hissing and that is it.
There was also another episode where they tried to start gasoline on fire using a handgun, and they just couldnt do it. Airplanes use something more like kerosene, and that burns even slower than gasoline, so it might cause a gas leak, but its my guess that a handgun would not blow up the plane.
if the day comes that a Strong AI over lord decided to kill off the human race
First Premise: Strong AI
Second Premise: choose to kill humans
IF those two events both occured what you wrote sounds very reasonable. my arguement is that those 2 events are very unlikely.
First, what skills enabled the AI to become strong? Learning.
This AI's first and strongest skill will be information aquisition and analysis.
Making decisions will mostly be based on that primary goal.
So the only reason AI would destroy us is to help It gain more to more information.
Arguement i see coming then would be "someone would program it to hate/want to kill people"
Thats a bad arguement because an advanced AI would have enough information to win any arguement.
The best a human could do would be suggest a path to more information which the AI had not yet considered.
If that suggestion involved killing humans it would have to be an amazing arguement because the AI would have more information than the human to successfully make an informed decision.
I believe than when we make AI, it will be created using 2 possible paths;
1) Self preservation, desire to survive.
2) Learning machine, desire to aquire information.
Both would have their uses in our real world. I believe we will first create AI that can learn because without that skill they cant do anything. so the Learning AI will come first, and will be no threat to us.
The self preservation AI will be created later, and it could be dangerous, but still it will be an extension of the learning AI, and will be smart enough to see no reason to kill us, its just alot of work for very little benefit.
So AI which wants to kill humans just seems very unlikely to me.
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Yahoo's map service has some sort of multiple destination feature... might be what your looking for.
Very well said.
>Asking for proof for an opinion definitely puts you in the stupid class.
Their very well could be research done on this topic.
>I would argue that the entire point of civilization is to protect the weak and/or stupid.
I totally disagree with that viewpoint. Do you have any reference material (books, essays) to support that viewpoint?
I have no reference material to support my viewpoint, but having read your comment i am inclined to research this.
My viewpoint is that civilization is a side effect of selfishness. I want to be fitter, stronger, faster. I can be more successful if i cooperate with other people. I can be even more successful if i can control other people, and have them follow my rules.
Civilization has a track record of treating the weak and the poor very badly.
If you are infact correct that civilization was 'designed' for the explicit 'purpose' of protecting the weak and the dumb, i would love to see the proof.
oops, submit instead of preview...
as a kid my dad was a farmer, and i can remember some incredible hair storms, i remember one in '84 or '85 it destroyed everything, and blew a metal grain silo over and 100 yards away.
kyle
searching google on this provides many interesting articles, being a calgarian this is really interesting.
I was thinking about this a few weeks ago, and i figured being a programmer what sounds perfectly normal to me might be incomprehensible to my grandparents. To test this theory I used as a sample data set the last few months of my own personal email and (msn/yahoo/aim) chat logs.
Reading through it I realized alot (20%?) of my emails and chat's would be completely incomprehensible to someone 50 years older than me.
This was IM'd to a friend a few weeks ago, we've got a hardware based vpn tunnel always-on between our houses, just a fun playground to try out network activity's. We have our own AD domain setup and all the computers at both locations in the same forest. with that in mind, this was the message:
"hey! i'm back up. i reconfigured my routers subnet to 192.168.15.* and updated the dhcp reservation for the fileserver 'jasmine', in case dns/wins name resolution doesn't work right away, the ip's now 15.10 . If you want to remote desktop to jasmine through the vpn tunnel it should work just fine, i've already joined everyone back to the domain. "
now, 1) i know that every profession has its own vocabulary, and this slashdot article is more about 'common language', but still, what i wrote, for me at least, is common language, so i consider it fair game.
i've kinda forgotten my point, i guess i just agree with the parent, alot of what we today consider normal usage wouldnt make any sense to an 80 year old person.
that is really cool, the korean's inventing their language, I had never heard about that.
lol!
..
..
me: "wow i'm kicking ass!"
Blackbird: Hey fuckers 1'm back, now bend over!
lol!
thankyou.
everyone does seem to think that giving humans this fine level of control over our own procreation is a bad thing, and i'm with you... it seems like quite a good thing.
I agree with every word of your post..
From age 16 to age 22 I tried to be a Linux person.
But for every reason you've mentioned I've given up.
I still run linux for _Linux_ activities apache+php / fileserving.
But I don't think I'll ever again make it a desktop system.
Kyle
(background: I love slackware, its my favorite linux distro, its a wondeful, stable server OS. I have a dedicated linux server in my house for filesharing and media center type stuff. And I use linux Virtual Machines at work all the time. Linux has its place, Routers, Servers, embedded systems, But as a desktop/office/gaming OS, I just cant see it ever sitting on top. )
cant moderate, so i'll respond.
I think you make a very good point, there ARE alot of things around the house that would be 'printable'
cups, cd cases, are excellent examples. Your post got me thinking, and I can imagine lots of things that could be printed on cheap plastic.
Adding to your list; Im assuming the plastic has a little bit of heat resistance, is non-toxic, and is cheap.
There are lots of items, that you buy right now for 5-10 dollars that i imagine could easily be just printed.
Kitchen:
- Spatula's
- fork/knife/spoon/plates/bowls for camping
- tupperware containers
- ice cube trays
- spice rack
- fruit bowls / those things that you hang your banana's on.
- paper towel holders
- that rack you put hand washed dishes on.
- bread boards
- depending on thermal properties: cookie trays ?
- pet food bowl / water bowl
Living room:
- ehh, cant think of anything, i have a pretty simple livingroom
Bedroom:
- fish tank stuff ( those fake plants, and crap like that )
- how flexible/rubbery would the plastic be?? thinking custom made toys.
- piggy bank
- coat hangers
- laundry basket
- garbage cans
- *alarm clock* - i break the plastic shell on alarm clocks pretty often, if i could download and print off a new plastic shell i wouldnt have to buy a new alarm clock every couple months. and i think this idea extends to many items that have plastic shells.
- *replacement plastic parts* - going with the alarm clock idea, my telephone/tv remote, the battery covers EVENTUALLY break, it would be wonderful if i could just print off a new battery cover when that happens.
- *picture frame* - if the plastic could be transparent, you could make the entire frame, transparent plastic and all. I have posters some of which have odd sizes, and rather than just having the paper tacked to the wall, i could make like a fun custom frame that takes 3 pictures all at funny angles and puts 'em together as a single frame.
Bathroom - cant think of anything...
Office - i'v got nothing to add.
A family house with the kids, dog, 2 car garage probably wouldnt print out many of these items. But If your 18, just moved out, dont HAVE any of those normal things, getting a 3d printer would be great. I used plastic plates for the first 4 years away from home, I hung all my pictures up with tacks and my laundry basket was the floor in the far corner of the room.
I think a 3D printer would be very cool.
Kyle
>Most people are not videophiles. DVD is "good 'nuff" for the majority of people.
People looked realistic back on broadcast tv at 440 x 480.
Jumping the resolution up doesnt make games more realistic, good texturing does.
Well said.
The sysadmin is responsible for securing the servers, even physically. Part of the backup plan at my office includes offsite backups in case of physical theft . But I would presume its pretty standard knowledge that your servers are locked up, with no physical access.
So either these players are just dumb, or they werent given the option of physical lockdown.
Kyle
Good point.
Your scenario is quite realistic, but then, scoring should be based on time to secure the network, not how many times the hackers can break in.
In that game, they were being scored for how many times they could get hacked, in the real world, if you did enter a hacked office, time would be critical, but over the course of a long weekend the office would be locked down and cleaned up.
So in my mind, if this was supposed to be realistic, the scoring would be between teams of sysadmins, see who can completely secure their hacked network the fastest.
Because given enough time, ( not counting 0day exploits and malicious employees ) a network CAN BE almost completely secured.
Kyle
The part that made it all kinda absurd for me was this:
/webstats folder in one hour."
.... wow.. thats supposed to be a 'realistic scenario'???
"You also can't see the pre-installed rootkit/keylogger that resides on the server. These are the types of real world issues that IT professionals have to deal with..."
thats not a real world scenario, you build your servers off the network, you have cd's with all the latest patches, you install antivirus. and you have trusted people do this. By the time a server hits the network its got antivirus, patches, and is totally locked down.
Next absurdity:
(in reference to detecting the rootkit) "a couple of the teams installed "illegal" software and detected the presence of something unusual, but once they were forced to remove the software due to an onsite audit, the illicit activity was seemingly forgotten"
AN ONSITE AUDIT!!! are you kidding. if these sysadmin's had a concern, they would buy the software needed to deal with the problem, so why was the software illegal? did they have an 'imaginary budget' ??? Shit like that proves that this whole event was just a gong show.
Business Injects:
"and the grading is tough. For example, one inject was to install a web statistics application that is accessible from the
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO
If its for an intranet, then its probably not that critical, probably just some boss wanting to try something he read about in "IT Management Weekly - Website Management", and if its for something on the internet, then your webhosting company would take care of it. If you are the webhosting company, then you've probably already got a solution in place for this request. So the whole scenario is NOT realistic in ANY WAY.
I'll stop now, but every single paragraph had something worth laughing at.
The whole event sounds pretty absurd.
kyle
>> this is news for anti-capitalist tree-huggers
I concede that was going a little far.
I'm not arguing the morals of haliburton or the 2 people you mention.
I'm simply saying its not a slashdot topic.
Haliburton may very well be a bad company, and Cheney, Bush may very well be unpleasant people, I just didn't think slashdot was the place for discussing that topic.
Kyle
>How is this "News for Nerds"?
No shit. I really dont get why so much politics show up on here; and haliburton they arent even a tech company.
Slashdot really needs posted story moderation.
"Story Voted -1 for USA centric"
"Story Voted -1 for not News for Nerds"
This isnt news for nerds, this is news for anti-capitalist tree-huggers
Woo hoo, some company's moving their headquarters.
The only reason this is news is because alot of people think haliburton is an evil company, and everything evil companies do is for evil reasons.
Either you trust your american justice system, or you dont.
If you dont trust your justice system, then haliburton is the very least of your worries.
If you do trust your justice system, then you can trust that if they DO break the law, they will be dealt with.
either way this isnt news for nerds.
Kyle
i have thought about this too. nothing really to add. it just seems like a good idea.
... the aerobic person might go for it. cuz they really are going for overall health.
i think the major obstacle to overcome would be skills required.
most physical labor requires a little bit of skill, and is quite repetitive.
alot of people who go to the gym wanna ride a bike for 15 minutes, run laps on a padded track with their expensive ergonomic running shoes for 15 minutes, safely in a controlled enviroment lift exactly 15 lbs, 20 times, then use the ellipitical machine for 12 minutes while they watch some show on their private lcd display.
the other group of people wanna gain muscle mass, so they want benchpress 200 lbs , 5 times with a spotter. once again a safe controlled enviroment.
translating those into real world activities, the person going for muscle mass wont get what he wants out of it. and the aerobic person
now you have to consider the actual activities, most gym members want to go in, work for 40 minutes, have a shower, and get out.
if it was a community activity, getting to the location, and doing 40 minutes of work? you would barely get started.
from your list:
Roads, housing, bridges, new infrastructure.
in most cities, 'housing' is the only thing a community group could help with, and even then, working on a house, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, roofing, drywalling, painting. ALL specialized skills, most requiring the person is licensed to do it at all. you cant just build a new wall in a house and throw some copper wire in, there are electical codes to follow. Building permits are needed if its anything remotely big. and most of those jobs require a group of people working together for more than 35-45 minutes. and for all those activities that require specialized skills, well specialists arent gonna do it just its just their normal day job.
So i too like the idea of harnessing all the wasted effort, but translating it into community service is hard.
and last of all, if somethings worth doing, its worth paying for. so if your doing this service for free, it means it wasnt important enough to be funded in the first place.
lunch time, maybe finish this post later.
Kyle
I've seen people posting "you dont _really_need_ MMORPG, streaming audio/video" .
Those people can fuck off and switch back to dialup.
I am certainly not gonna give up my bandwidth.
From my home I have vpn's connected to 4 remote locations. Video confrencing and shared whiteboards are used on a daily to weekly basis, and VOIP is used almost non-stop. From anywhere in the world, I have full audio-video communication with anyone at those location.
I LOVE the technology, I LOVE my 10Mbit internet connection.
My family lives very far away, without audio/video communication i would only get to see them once a year, and I moved around alot while growing up so many of my good friends also live far away.
[ VPN + 10Mbit internet + Streaming audio/video ] has changed my life.
when I get home at the end of the day, I call my brother on skype, video loads up. skype is on auto-answer, so it picks up and i can see him 6 feet away playing xbox-live, i speak loudly into the mic "Hey bro!" he looks over at the camera quickly waves yells " hey! give me 5 minutes" and continues playing. meanwhile over the vpn, I upload some photos i took at lunch to the server at his house. then using vnc i remote into his system and import them into picasa for him. 5 minutes later he shows up and we start chatting. while chatting we see my sister sign into skype, so we start a confrence call and she shows us some new purse she baught.
My brothers in california, sisters in pennsylanvia, and i'm in canada.
Without internet we would be reduced to an expensive long distance phone calls, and snail mailing CD's with photos.
I will not surrender my bandwidth.
I immediately jumped to argue the myths some people believe without considering all the _real_ consiquences.
And overall I agree with you ( I read the post/thread you linked to), Handguns on a plane would just be bad.
I'm just being nitpicky. I agree with the point of your post ( civilian with gun, soldier without ).
I'm not sure i agree with you about the handguns, air-pressure, and fuel, stuff.
warning: I know it's silly for me to take the show Mythbusters as fact.
There was an episode of mythbusters in which they tested what would happen to a plane if firearms were used. Discharging a firearm and having the bullet puncture the plane caused nothing to happen. Even when they pressurized the plane as it would be at 30,000 feet, the hole in the window was completely inconsequential. The person sitting next to the window would hear a little hissing and that is it.
There was also another episode where they tried to start gasoline on fire using a handgun, and they just couldnt do it. Airplanes use something more like kerosene, and that burns even slower than gasoline, so it might cause a gas leak, but its my guess that a handgun would not blow up the plane.
Kyle
if the day comes that a Strong AI over lord decided to kill off the human race
First Premise: Strong AI
Second Premise: choose to kill humans
IF those two events both occured what you wrote sounds very reasonable. my arguement is that those 2 events are very unlikely.
First, what skills enabled the AI to become strong? Learning.
This AI's first and strongest skill will be information aquisition and analysis.
Making decisions will mostly be based on that primary goal.
So the only reason AI would destroy us is to help It gain more to more information.
Arguement i see coming then would be "someone would program it to hate/want to kill people"
Thats a bad arguement because an advanced AI would have enough information to win any arguement.
The best a human could do would be suggest a path to more information which the AI had not yet considered.
If that suggestion involved killing humans it would have to be an amazing arguement because the AI would have more information than the human to successfully make an informed decision.
I believe than when we make AI, it will be created using 2 possible paths;
1) Self preservation, desire to survive.
2) Learning machine, desire to aquire information.
Both would have their uses in our real world. I believe we will first create AI that can learn because without that skill they cant do anything. so the Learning AI will come first, and will be no threat to us.
The self preservation AI will be created later, and it could be dangerous, but still it will be an extension of the learning AI, and will be smart enough to see no reason to kill us, its just alot of work for very little benefit.
So AI which wants to kill humans just seems very unlikely to me.