Whatever for? I've already got an operating system running my Athlon64. Granted I only use it to play Neverwinter Nights and Enemy Territory, but I'm satisfied.
Could someone explain the advantages of the COME FROM statement to me? I don't get it. It looks to work exactly like GO TO but is more confusing. First of all, a human reading the source code reads in a sequential manner, but the COME FROM statement refers to a future condition. Also, unless one has prescanned the whole source, one can't tell just be reading it if there's a COME FROM statement way down the line that you have to "go to" right after the statement you've just executed.
Also, box 2 in the COME FROM article states: " Note how much cleaner is the intent of the code containing the COME FROM construct." Sorry, I can't see how much cleaner the intent is. How is it cleaner if I have to look at the whole program first before I can understand how it's to work? What if there were a 100 COME FROM statements? With GO TO, it may not be much more cleaner, but at least one can follow the logic of the code. With COME FROM, one has to write down a whole list of COME FROM statements to watch out for.
Honestly, this reads to me more like an April Fools' Joke that was 24 days late. Could someone please enlighten me on its virtues?
How about listing down and detailing the various "political and cultural issues" so they can be tackled in a straigtforward manner? Let's not beat around the bush and call a spade a spade. Is there money involved? Stubborn pride? Reluctance to move to a system where the incumbent administrators might be incompetent?
Forgive my saying so, but that's the wackiest thing I've ever heard. I like the idea of patenting inventions alright (I myself have some designs I would like to patent), but I would dearly like to see patents for things that would make one go "Wow! I would never have thought to do it that way" or "Damn! She must've spent months coming up with that design".
There's nothing about the PS/PS2's controller design that would make me think "Patent!"
Also, patenet claims SHOULD also include proof that the design wasn't come upon independently and without using any of the claimers work. Patents are supposed to protect against unfair use of one's hard work and effort. If it's their own, it doesn't matter which came first.
I just read the article and am now thinking "why wasn't such a device conceived of much earlier?" It sounds so natural to develop the physics processing into its own dedicated hardware.
I'm hoping the Linux community can come up with an API that's attractive for game developers to use. It would be best if it could be integrated into a set of APIs to do 3D graphics, 3D sound and music, hardware access to input devices and have a common programming paradigm for its use. Perhaps SDL or then OpenAL/GL group could come up with something.
The project is just so darned big. I couldn't find object-leve documentation (a'la Javadoc) to even guide me. Once, several people were clamoring for a feature (using the scrollwheel to navigate through the tabs), but some mozilla engineer marked it won't-implement and promptly dropped off. I volunteered to implement it and send patches to anyone who'd want it (not necessarilly back to mozilla if they didn't want it), but I didn't even know where to begin in such a huge source tree. I asked for leads from anyone on that buglist, but no one even deigned to point the filename out to me.
Honestly, it's not very conducive to hack on it. (At least in my opinion)
I thought that's what you might have meant,:). Unfortunately unless it gets modded up, people will keep answering to other interpretations of the questions.
Let me compile a wishlist of what I mean and post it on a blog./etc/passwd is good for the local machine, but once brought into the network, it becomes a slave to the Directory Services.
It's true these technologies already exist and many people already do it. What I was looking for was a ready solution in one neat package. I'm still hoping Fedora Core might go this way.
I've a similar question myself: Is there a Linux distro which, upon installation, aids in the setup of a Directory Services server, a network filesystem for storing user data (possibly including $HOME directories) and installation of client workstations which use those services?
I'm talking of the same installation disks, but at the very onset, instead of just asking (or perhaps more than just asking) if I want a Desktop, Server or workstation install, it include sub-options like:
Server: [] Directory Services Server [] Network File Server
[] User $HOME directory (or some other friendly name) [] Print Services Server Workstation:...
In other words, the very things one would need and in the order one would install for a small- to medium-sized enterprise.
It seems that particular idea has just been refactored into what is now Beagle. It's not the same project, but the underlying idea is the same (index and organize ideas and make them easilly accessible). It's faring pretty well. Perhaps it might even have evolved into something better because of the use of inference as opposed to natural language processing. Couple that with iFolder (another project that's going along quite swimmingly).
From the looks of things, this one looks to fare just as well. Some people are already using Beagle (including non-devs like myself) and this one should follow shortly. Fortunately, Seth (like Miguel de Icaza, Nat Friedman, Owen Wilson, etc.) seem level-headed and committed to doing a project and have enough practical sense to carry projects to fruition.
One of the things that hit me hard like a brick in the face is the disparity in the reaction of people claiming things under the name of the community.
It's obvious to me from Miguel de Icaza and other Mono coders that what they're doing is as much for community as it is for their company. And yet this same community manages to react in opposite ways. Those who dislike a project (any project) will react from challenging the instigators with trying to prove their ideas work to downright maligning their efforts. On the other hand, people who like the project do their best to try and help out knowing it would benefit the community in the end.
The odd thing is: it's the same project. The difference is in people. It's a tool that's not inherently evil. If people are divided in this case, it's by their own choosing.
Whoever that blubbering guy is in LUGRadio that always has two reasons for anything, would you kindly reassess your intentions for making those comments as its clear from MdI's words what his are.
Whatever are you smoking? Perhaps you're just stating your own bias while trying to pass off some generalization without any proof.
In the Gnome camp, Mono as well as traditional Gtk/C, python and ruby coders are getting along rather peachilly. Because of Mono, there are several more apps for Gnome that otherwise wouldn't have been there. If you read the PlanetGnome blogs, you wouldn't see any split whatsoever.
It really is pathetic seeing people like you spread FUD because there's a project you don't like instead of actually trying to work with people who've nothing but the best interests at heart.
First of all, it's not YOUR time or money they're wasting. It's theirs. Second, they're contributing to Gnome (and the opensource community in general) in the way they see most fit. They're doing it because they WANT to do it. It's their own itch they want to scratch and it's no different from any other opensource software developer who said they'd do something to "scratch an itch".
Most of all, I don't understand why this affects you so much that it drove you to show your obvious displeasure. If you think that by not working on Mono, those same guys would work on projects that you want, you're dreaming.
So if you think they're wasting their time and not yours, shut up and watch. I think these people are one of the brightest people I've encountered in the opensource movement and I happen to be software developer who's not swayed by market-speak or North American insecurities. I've been working with opensource and would dearly love to write Gnome apps but find Gtk/C unwieldy. I also think that the use of IDEs is true to the *nix philosophy of creating the best tools to aid humans and, right now, those tools can be easilly accessed due to Mono. I love monodoc. It's as good (if not better) than javadoc. The entry curve to Gnome programming just became shallower with the advent of Mono.
Quite the opposite, I think what the Mono developers are doing are a perfect use of their time and I look forward to future developments in the way software project should properly be done.
If Microsoft did help lower software prices, doesn't that just prove how having monopolies (not necessarilly MS) is a bad thing? Competition brings down price. If the software was interchangeable, I'd predict fiercer competition.
Have to agree. When I stopped playing UT, I wasn't exactly tired of it (just moved to other games). It'd be nice if someone actually ported it to the ET engine.
I've got 3 systems in my room all running on AMD Athlon processors and Fedora Core 3. My gaming rig is an Athlon 2600 I've had for over a year now with a Gainward GeForce4 video card in a stock Koolance PC2-C case I've had for almost 2 years. I'm running WiFi in my house. My appliances are controlled via X.10. I've got a Harman-Kardon 230 receiver pumping out my music and audio for my DVDs. My games on Linux include Quake 3 (Urban Terror mod), Neverwinter Nights (see me on Canada West NWN server), Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. Games I've bought but never played include Soldier of Fortune, Kohan Immortal Sovereign, UT2K3... all running natively on Linux.
My main gaming rigs all run on Linux. Will they support that platform? If they do, I'll have one on order this Christmas even if I have to ship it from Taiwan.
Let's just have a/usr/share/gimp-2.2/splash/ subdirectory where gimp will choose one at random each time it's started. Give some of its arteest users some eyecandy to enjoy whenever they boot up.
Vino makes use of XDamage (reducing network updates) and Metacity makes use of XComposite. If you try dragging a window (and your config has it set to display window contents on drag), the window will turn transparent. Pretty cool.
Personally, I think it's easier to tell one window from another, specially on those occassion when you have one obscuring another. The problem with flat windows and widgets is (specially if they're all the same color) that it's not easy to tell where it is in the mess of stuff that's on the monitor. Putting a wide, different-colored border around it usually helps, but that eats up screen real-estate. With drop shadows, you get the advantages of borders to tell you one window (or menu) from another window and yet doesn't "eat" up the space (since whatever's underneath is still viewable).
It doesn't even have anything to do with being elite. In fact, if anything, most hackers nowadays coding on X, Gnome, etc. seem to be very practical and less 31337, as you put it.
I mean, who cares if they copied this feature from MS or Apple? Or this design looks similar to Windoze or OSX? What does copying have to do with the technical aspects of a design or feature? Practically everything in man's history is about building off of the works of others.
<futile post>Please, PLEASE stop it with the "It looks too much like so-and-so" posts! Instead, just quote the things you dislike about the system you're talking about. When you want to say you dislike something because it is too similar to another product, it would make no sense to people who actually LIKE the product you're comparing it to. </futile post>
As a consumer, I'd like to know if a piece of hardware won't work on my preferred OS (Linux). If a piece of hardware isn't listed on the Hardware Compatibility list, that doesn't automatically mean that it isn't. Having the Incompatibility List is a definitive way to answer that question.
Even if I were an Apple fan, why would I have anything against a company reverse-engineering Apple's technology so I could be given the choice of where I could purchase music from to play on the iPod that I bought? Is Apple in danger of folding up?
What gets me the most is how people are easilly distracted from the issue at hand. The issue in the petition was Apple's anti-competetive behavior and yet people were yapping about Real's alleged anticompetetive stance of yesteryear. That may be true, but what does that have to do with the current issue?
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Whatever for? I've already got an operating system running my Athlon64. Granted I only use it to play Neverwinter Nights and Enemy Territory, but I'm satisfied.
Could someone explain the advantages of the COME FROM statement to me? I don't get it. It looks to work exactly like GO TO but is more confusing. First of all, a human reading the source code reads in a sequential manner, but the COME FROM statement refers to a future condition. Also, unless one has prescanned the whole source, one can't tell just be reading it if there's a COME FROM statement way down the line that you have to "go to" right after the statement you've just executed.
Also, box 2 in the COME FROM article states: " Note how much cleaner is the intent of the code containing the COME FROM construct." Sorry, I can't see how much cleaner the intent is. How is it cleaner if I have to look at the whole program first before I can understand how it's to work? What if there were a 100 COME FROM statements? With GO TO, it may not be much more cleaner, but at least one can follow the logic of the code. With COME FROM, one has to write down a whole list of COME FROM statements to watch out for.
Honestly, this reads to me more like an April Fools' Joke that was 24 days late. Could someone please enlighten me on its virtues?
How about listing down and detailing the various "political and cultural issues" so they can be tackled in a straigtforward manner? Let's not beat around the bush and call a spade a spade. Is there money involved? Stubborn pride? Reluctance to move to a system where the incumbent administrators might be incompetent?
Yes, but my question is "Will it be AMD-compatible?" ^_^
Forgive my saying so, but that's the wackiest thing I've ever heard. I like the idea of patenting inventions alright (I myself have some designs I would like to patent), but I would dearly like to see patents for things that would make one go "Wow! I would never have thought to do it that way" or "Damn! She must've spent months coming up with that design".
There's nothing about the PS/PS2's controller design that would make me think "Patent!"
Also, patenet claims SHOULD also include proof that the design wasn't come upon independently and without using any of the claimers work. Patents are supposed to protect against unfair use of one's hard work and effort. If it's their own, it doesn't matter which came first.
Idiots.
(Ubuntu) Which is based on Debian. FYI.
Fedora Core 4 (FC4) will have it and be out by June 6 according to their schedule.
I just read the article and am now thinking "why wasn't such a device conceived of much earlier?" It sounds so natural to develop the physics processing into its own dedicated hardware.
I'm hoping the Linux community can come up with an API that's attractive for game developers to use. It would be best if it could be integrated into a set of APIs to do 3D graphics, 3D sound and music, hardware access to input devices and have a common programming paradigm for its use. Perhaps SDL or then OpenAL/GL group could come up with something.
The project is just so darned big. I couldn't find object-leve documentation (a'la Javadoc) to even guide me. Once, several people were clamoring for a feature (using the scrollwheel to navigate through the tabs), but some mozilla engineer marked it won't-implement and promptly dropped off. I volunteered to implement it and send patches to anyone who'd want it (not necessarilly back to mozilla if they didn't want it), but I didn't even know where to begin in such a huge source tree. I asked for leads from anyone on that buglist, but no one even deigned to point the filename out to me.
Honestly, it's not very conducive to hack on it. (At least in my opinion)
I thought that's what you might have meant, :). Unfortunately unless it gets modded up, people will keep answering to other interpretations of the questions.
/etc/passwd is good for the local machine, but once brought into the network, it becomes a slave to the Directory Services.
Let me compile a wishlist of what I mean and post it on a blog.
It's true these technologies already exist and many people already do it. What I was looking for was a ready solution in one neat package. I'm still hoping Fedora Core might go this way.
I've a similar question myself: Is there a Linux distro which, upon installation, aids in the setup of a Directory Services server, a network filesystem for storing user data (possibly including $HOME directories) and installation of client workstations which use those services?
...
I'm talking of the same installation disks, but at the very onset, instead of just asking (or perhaps more than just asking) if I want a Desktop, Server or workstation install, it include sub-options like:
Server:
[] Directory Services Server
[] Network File Server
[] User $HOME directory (or some other friendly name)
[] Print Services Server
Workstation:
In other words, the very things one would need and in the order one would install for a small- to medium-sized enterprise.
It seems that particular idea has just been refactored into what is now Beagle. It's not the same project, but the underlying idea is the same (index and organize ideas and make them easilly accessible). It's faring pretty well. Perhaps it might even have evolved into something better because of the use of inference as opposed to natural language processing. Couple that with iFolder (another project that's going along quite swimmingly).
From the looks of things, this one looks to fare just as well. Some people are already using Beagle (including non-devs like myself) and this one should follow shortly. Fortunately, Seth (like Miguel de Icaza, Nat Friedman, Owen Wilson, etc.) seem level-headed and committed to doing a project and have enough practical sense to carry projects to fruition.
One of the things that hit me hard like a brick in the face is the disparity in the reaction of people claiming things under the name of the community.
It's obvious to me from Miguel de Icaza and other Mono coders that what they're doing is as much for community as it is for their company. And yet this same community manages to react in opposite ways. Those who dislike a project (any project) will react from challenging the instigators with trying to prove their ideas work to downright maligning their efforts. On the other hand, people who like the project do their best to try and help out knowing it would benefit the community in the end.
The odd thing is: it's the same project. The difference is in people. It's a tool that's not inherently evil. If people are divided in this case, it's by their own choosing.
Whoever that blubbering guy is in LUGRadio that always has two reasons for anything, would you kindly reassess your intentions for making those comments as its clear from MdI's words what his are.
Whatever are you smoking? Perhaps you're just stating your own bias while trying to pass off some generalization without any proof.
In the Gnome camp, Mono as well as traditional Gtk/C, python and ruby coders are getting along rather peachilly. Because of Mono, there are several more apps for Gnome that otherwise wouldn't have been there. If you read the PlanetGnome blogs, you wouldn't see any split whatsoever.
It really is pathetic seeing people like you spread FUD because there's a project you don't like instead of actually trying to work with people who've nothing but the best interests at heart.
First of all, it's not YOUR time or money they're wasting. It's theirs. Second, they're contributing to Gnome (and the opensource community in general) in the way they see most fit. They're doing it because they WANT to do it. It's their own itch they want to scratch and it's no different from any other opensource software developer who said they'd do something to "scratch an itch".
Most of all, I don't understand why this affects you so much that it drove you to show your obvious displeasure. If you think that by not working on Mono, those same guys would work on projects that you want, you're dreaming.
So if you think they're wasting their time and not yours, shut up and watch. I think these people are one of the brightest people I've encountered in the opensource movement and I happen to be software developer who's not swayed by market-speak or North American insecurities. I've been working with opensource and would dearly love to write Gnome apps but find Gtk/C unwieldy. I also think that the use of IDEs is true to the *nix philosophy of creating the best tools to aid humans and, right now, those tools can be easilly accessed due to Mono. I love monodoc. It's as good (if not better) than javadoc. The entry curve to Gnome programming just became shallower with the advent of Mono.
Quite the opposite, I think what the Mono developers are doing are a perfect use of their time and I look forward to future developments in the way software project should properly be done.
If Microsoft did help lower software prices, doesn't that just prove how having monopolies (not necessarilly MS) is a bad thing? Competition brings down price. If the software was interchangeable, I'd predict fiercer competition.
I WANT ONE!
Time to upgrade my Roland.
Have to agree. When I stopped playing UT, I wasn't exactly tired of it (just moved to other games). It'd be nice if someone actually ported it to the ET engine.
You think I'm full of shit, but I know you are.
... all running natively on Linux.
I've got 3 systems in my room all running on AMD Athlon processors and Fedora Core 3. My gaming rig is an Athlon 2600 I've had for over a year now with a Gainward GeForce4 video card in a stock Koolance PC2-C case I've had for almost 2 years. I'm running WiFi in my house. My appliances are controlled via X.10. I've got a Harman-Kardon 230 receiver pumping out my music and audio for my DVDs. My games on Linux include Quake 3 (Urban Terror mod), Neverwinter Nights (see me on Canada West NWN server), Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. Games I've bought but never played include Soldier of Fortune, Kohan Immortal Sovereign, UT2K3
Who are you, shithead?
My main gaming rigs all run on Linux. Will they support that platform? If they do, I'll have one on order this Christmas even if I have to ship it from Taiwan.
Let's just have a /usr/share/gimp-2.2/splash/ subdirectory where gimp will choose one at random each time it's started. Give some of its arteest users some eyecandy to enjoy whenever they boot up.
Vino makes use of XDamage (reducing network updates) and Metacity makes use of XComposite. If you try dragging a window (and your config has it set to display window contents on drag), the window will turn transparent. Pretty cool.
That, most likely, isn't everything.
Personally, I think it's easier to tell one window from another, specially on those occassion when you have one obscuring another. The problem with flat windows and widgets is (specially if they're all the same color) that it's not easy to tell where it is in the mess of stuff that's on the monitor. Putting a wide, different-colored border around it usually helps, but that eats up screen real-estate. With drop shadows, you get the advantages of borders to tell you one window (or menu) from another window and yet doesn't "eat" up the space (since whatever's underneath is still viewable).
It doesn't even have anything to do with being elite. In fact, if anything, most hackers nowadays coding on X, Gnome, etc. seem to be very practical and less 31337, as you put it.
I mean, who cares if they copied this feature from MS or Apple? Or this design looks similar to Windoze or OSX? What does copying have to do with the technical aspects of a design or feature? Practically everything in man's history is about building off of the works of others.
<futile post>Please, PLEASE stop it with the "It looks too much like so-and-so" posts! Instead, just quote the things you dislike about the system you're talking about. When you want to say you dislike something because it is too similar to another product, it would make no sense to people who actually LIKE the product you're comparing it to. </futile post>
As a consumer, I'd like to know if a piece of hardware won't work on my preferred OS (Linux). If a piece of hardware isn't listed on the Hardware Compatibility list, that doesn't automatically mean that it isn't. Having the Incompatibility List is a definitive way to answer that question.
Even if I were an Apple fan, why would I have anything against a company reverse-engineering Apple's technology so I could be given the choice of where I could purchase music from to play on the iPod that I bought? Is Apple in danger of folding up?
What gets me the most is how people are easilly distracted from the issue at hand. The issue in the petition was Apple's anti-competetive behavior and yet people were yapping about Real's alleged anticompetetive stance of yesteryear. That may be true, but what does that have to do with the current issue?