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Gnome 2.10 Released
Mad_Rain writes "The new version of Gnome (you know, the desktop of many Linux users?) has just been released. You can even try it out with a LiveCD (bittorrent link). There is a video player and CD-ripping utility included, and the all-important new splash screen!"
Heh. Isn't that like saying: "Windows, the operating system of many PC users"?
I've been meaning to try linux one of these days, I think I'm going to download it and give it a try. Hopefully its somewhat painless.
...are here.
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Gnome 2.1, now more like KDE!
New screenies here.
It's only a matter of time.
Does anyone else find something wrong with the progress/height chart on the new splash screen?
2.10
2.8
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There are 01 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and me.
Now with no new exciting features!
Packages are already in ubuntu hoary.
:)
just do an apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade
I suppose it's another example of form over function, but there you go. Hopefully Enlightenment comes out soon.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.
"Mad_Rain writes "The new version of Gnome (you know, the desktop of many Linux users?) has just been released."
I have $10 that says that someone is going to make a derogatory Gnome remark before this story scrolls off the front page.
dear reader the gnome armageddon has started,
first of all i want to clarify that this text was meant to be a source of information otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much time into writing it. belive me it took me a couple of days writing this text in a foreign language. even if you don't care at all for gnome, you may find some interesting information within this text that you like to read. please try to understand my points even if it's hard sometimes, otherwise you wake up one day and feel the need to switch to a different operating system.
on the following lines i'm trying to give you a little insight of the gnome [gnome.org] community. the things that are going on in the back, the information that could be worth talking and thinking about.
many of us like the gnome desktop and some of us were following it since the beginning. gnome is a promising project because it's mostly written in C, easy to use, configurable and therefore fits perfectly into the philosophy of u*nix. only to name some of its advantages.
unfortunately these advantages changed with the recently new released version of gnome. the core development team somehow got the idea of targeting gnome to a complete different direction of users. the so called corporate desktop user. in other words they're targeting people that aren't familiar or experienced with desktop environments. usually business oriented people who are willing to pay money for getting gnome on their computers.
having this new target in mind, the core development team mostly under contract by companies like redhat [redhat.com], ximian [ximian.com] and sun [sun.com] decided to simplify the desktop as much as even possible by removing all its flexibility in favor of an easy clean simple interface to not confuse their new possible customers. so far the idea of a clean easy to use desktop is honourable.
some of the new ideas, features and implementations such as gconf [gnome.org], an evil windows registry like system, new ordering of buttons and dialogs, the removal of 90%-95% of all visible preferences from the control center and applications, the new direction that gnome leads and the attitude of the core development team made a lot of users really unhappy. these are only a couple of examples and the list can easily be expanded but for now this is enough. now let me try to get deeper into these aspects.
you may imagine that users got really frustrated [osnews.com] because their beloved gnome desktop matured into something they didn't want. during the time, the frustration of a not less amount of people increased. more [gnome.org], more [gnome.org] and more [gnome.org] emails arrived on the gnome mailinglists where users tried to explain their concerns, frustrations and the leading target of GNOME.
but the core development team of gnome don't give a damn about what their users are thinking or wanting and most of the time they come up with their standard purl. the reply they give is mostly the same. users should either go and 'file a bug' at bugzilla [gnome.org] or the user mails are being turned so far that at the end they sound like being trolls or the user feedback is simply not wanted. whatever happens the answers aren't really satisfying for the user. even constructive feedback [gnome.org] isn't appreciated.
if you gonna think about this
in the actual article. At least we still have the splash screens we can smoke their server with.
It's easy to compile that can be reincluded on Slackware? Patrick, can you confirm this?
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I've always used KDE over gnome, and fluxbox over KDE.
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The only reason I don't use gnome is because it reminds me of garden gnomes
Out of all the nice entries that were submitted , they really picked the worst looking for 2.10 splash screen. Thank god I can change that.
It wasn't a fair fight! What can they do against the Horde of Slashdot?
The gnomes were so cute too... *sob*
It's /.ed already!
Where's my free iPod!? Until then, I'll settle for a kiss...
That's just... great. Wow, way to go, gang!
Err, that should be "KDE trolls are koming"!
OK, that's my contribution to the obligatory stupid DE-related comments. I won't throw in a "But I just emerged 2.8!" (even though I just did).
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
I figured the gimp website would have a better than average bandwidth... I'm supprised.
It's like KDE stuck in bullet-time.
Yes. A lot more. An awful lot more. About double the CPU and triple the memory more.
Seriously, if you're going to use that shit, you may as well just stick with Windows, because that's what it's trying to be.
wear it? I guess that's the point.
...and better; I've been using it for a few years now and it's a fine piece of work.
I'm working on a Ruby binding for it that will make the data easier to get at, too... good times.
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...another swing-and-a-miss at the Graphical Righteousness embodied by Mac OS X.
Seriously, give it up guys - nothing based on X will ever match the Mac.
GNOME/KDE/Linux get more and more bloated with each release, but usability is not improving. What's the point?
How dare GNome bundle a video player and cd ripping utility.
Oh, that's right. It's called a double standard.
From using the betas and now Gnome-2.10 on Hoary for some time now I have to say that this is indeed a great release. It's probably not so much about new incredible features, like including hal in 2.8, but a lot about small polishes and cleanups.
My only problem is that the Gnome devs thought it was a good idea not to have a menu editor and no other (easy) way to edit the menus. There will be one in 2.12 afaik, but right now I'm stuck without an easy way to edit my menu and that's annoying.
Anyway, great release and a pleasure to use. Thanks to all those involved.
why novell/readhat instead of pushing the amount of money they do with gnome, don't pay trolltech to make Qt LGPL.
Wondering why i am doing so strange posts? I am trying to get a "+5,Flamebait" or "-1,Insightful" rating.
Dear parent troll .
yawn , Please think of a new origional troll
That one is so old , that IBM used it to take the piss out of a crazy new company called Apple
Project GoneME is the first attempt to try moving the GNOME Desktop into a new direction. I got quite unhappy with the new direction that some core decision takers have chosen even if I do see that plenty of things that got changed in GNOME does indeed make sense, I on the otherhand think that some decisions have upset quite a lot of people including me and there was no possibility to bring these problems up on the GNOME Mailinglists or the IRC channel without getting yourself trapped into ugly discussions, slandering, defaming, mobbing or even stalking.
The people that I met and whom I was able to read and talk with, pointed out how much they dislike changes such as Buttonorder, GConf (often declared as Windows Registry), Spatial Nautilus, things like general inconsistencies, no real progress, speed issues, huge dependencies, instant apply without reverting to default, scrollkeeper and many more.
And here starts the Project GoneME. The intention is to create a community of people, who are willing and interested to help fixing these and other issues and make the vision of a usable Desktop in the means of good old Unix fashion become true. No fancy technology, no overhelming bloat and no dumbifying of peoples talent and skills using a computer. The idea is to not directly fork GNOME but to use their CVS modules and write patches that covers these things for the better.
The patches shouldn't be sent to Bugzilla or their GNOME Mailinglists because they most likely won't take them anyways or have them rot forever in the darkest place they have. The patches should temporarely be stored on a place, where people can download and patch them against GNOME CVS. I do feel sorry for these necessarity but I do see interests conflicts between their designmodel and the opinion of some users and developers.
The recent past has proven and shown that attempts like forks are necessary to lead into a better direction. For example there was gcc then egcs as fork which then became main gcc again. Same happens with XFree86 and Kdrive or Xorg at the moment. This could also happen for GNOME and the Project GoneME but depends on the available resources and contributing souls.
I don't have in mind to make Project GoneME become some sort of MacOSX replacement and I am also not in competition with Microsoft or Apple. All I want is a nice good looking Desktop that sits ontop of my Linux box where I control everything, where I feel happy. I don't have the idea to bloat GNOME more than it actually is or pump unnecessary new technology inside it or have them implemented in a half fashion. I am still a follower of good old Unix fashion and I also believe that our audience is important too and not just the Joe average user audience.
As you can see I brought up some points here which of course are a matter of change and a matter of further conversation and thinking. This is surely not targeted for people who like GNOME as it is now. It's more targeted to the audience who feel lost with GNOME at the moment and who are unhappy about the situation as it is now and who feel lost because they are not able to bring these points up in either IRC or the Mailinglists for conversation because of ugly treatment. We need to get in here and start changing the things slowly to become normal again. Please also note that you shouldn't expect changes over night. This idea must first manifest and people need to be found to help doing the work.
Actually I do like GNOME because of the fact that it is written in C (and therefore fits in the UNIX world) and it seamless ways how it fits into the filesystem after installation. That's quite clean in my opinion.
A problem I see is that GNOME itself wants to adopt all types of technology which somehow scares me e.g. a lot of talks about Storage, a lot of talks about MONO and Python and so on. Having different bindings for different languages is indeed a nice thing and people should be allowed to code their applications in what language they like and what they think is t
In the past, while typing something into one application when suddenly your instant messenger offered a chat request from your friend, your words would be typed into the chat window. Imagine if you were typing your password at the time. This should no longer happen in GNOME 2.10.
Ahh, finally. This was the most annoying thing for the longest time. I actually had to change my password twice because I unintentionally IMed it to someone else. I'm actually surprised that they didn't fix this a long time ago. It was a usability/security nightmare.
the "feature" of sending gconf information to syslog still lives well and annoys those who look at the syslog and see gconf loading with mozilla and firefox even if they dont use gnome at all
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thank you for for spamming the syslog with 7 lines every time i use mozilla and gconf loads for the mime list that only list gnome apps
Bug Opened: 2003-11-07 16:28
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=
The gnome.org site is apparently having a devil of a time keeping up with the bandwidth.
Give the CoralCache a try. Nice and speedy for me.
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I think Microsoft has some competition, finally! Check out this from the release notes:
... MORE OBVIOUSLY, a button! Alright!
* The path button is now more obviously a button.
Wow, a button this is
* GNOME 2.10 introduces a new applet for controlling your Modem, integrated with GNOME System Tools.
Words fail me. I'm going to go out and get a modem, just so I can try this!
Finally,
* daily weather forecasts / Get even more weather
This one, I am not so sure of. Geeks don't leave the house! Why couldn't they make an applet that checks how much of their parents money they've spent living in their basements? How about how much more money they need before Scott Bakula will agree to do the next season of Enterprise? THAT would have been helpful.
When KDE's last beta was announced on slashdot, many people commented that a live CD was a really cool way of showing off the new system. Now we see Gnome taking this really cool feature out of KDE and incorporating it.
;-)
That is why we need to keep two desktops around. Whenever either one invents something cool, both get it. (Friendly) compertition seems by far the best form of improving software.
Oh, and why wasn't a garnome link posted?
That would make it.. a gimp!
I'd like to try this out on LiveCD, my question is, since I only have the built-in XP burning capability, what will I have to do to burn this image? Will it work automatically, or is there some other software I should download?
I've tried it once before but didn't really get into it. Would like to give it another shot.
Thanks.
There are gnome-2.10-pre ebuilds in portage now but they are all hard-masked. The only issue in terms of emerging is unmasking them and getting a libgnomecups-0.2.0.ebuild into net-print. As far as how its working... well... I'm compiling :P
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Is the Live-CD based off of any well-known distrobution? It would be neat if it was a repackaged version of Knoppix or some such, so that we know all the hardware detection would work.
Most people I talk to who use Linux have expressed a strong preference for GNOME over KDE. I don't know if this is because they get GNOME with X-Windows on there system or if they switched in disgust, but they usually say that they think it's crisper and the look is more consistent across applications.
I suppose it's another example of form over function, but there you go. Hopefully Enlightenment comes out soon.
What a great decision to mod this stupid flaimbait that is lacking anything that even could resemble an argument insightful.
And by the way, I'm a KDE user, but I'm really getting tired of all this useless desktop trolling.
How hard would it be to take the perfectly good XP desktop and implement it for the benefit of us new Linux powerusers?
From the pics at the gnome site it look like they have included some cute window shadows equal to those found in OSX. Can anyone confirm that this indeed the case? Also, are there any words on when this will hit unstable?
Why Is everyone so obsessed with the weather??? Who CARES! Just as useless as an AOL ICON in your tasktray. umm, Maybe I should get out more?
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oh yeah, you must mean the Sun Java Desktop, without the little bit o' Sun java.
no karma whoring here,
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I cannot open a file like http://www.marcusevans.com.au/pdf/413.pdf from any GNOME native application! In this case, I have to save the file on the disk then open it after. I was even more dissapointed when Adobe based their recently released PDF reader for Linux on GTK. This means that this issue lingers. Meanwhile, all that I am dissapointed with in GNOME is a snap and works like a charm in any KDE applcation. What the hell....!
While the market for them is so depressed, it'd be far more practical to ask people to contribute coding time rather than their souls, you'll just end up accumulating incorporeal entities if you don't..
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
S'ok, I'll do it for you:
"But I just emerged 2.8!" (even though I didn't).
you could try ubuntu --
the package integration is quite integrated to the desktop.
-best
-greg
Gnome? Why, yes, I have heard of it!!
Recently, I've been playing with Gnome on my computer (older version - 2.4). The rest of the family is set up with KDE and I used KDM to start it up. I think, comparing Gnome 2.4 to KDE 3.2, I'd have to give KDE the nod, but that's not to say that Gnome doesn't have it's strong points. Once of the things I do like better is Gnome's approach to menu editing. Instead of firing up a separate menu editor as with KDE, you just right-click on the menu and either edit the specific item via "properties" or add new items inline. I think that's a lot cleaner approach.
My main reason for trying Gnome was because I was fairly impressed with Evolution and I wanted to see it run in its favored desktop. I'm also considering installing Novell Linux on my next computer (which I will use for my "at home" work computer) so this is a way I can kinda get a feel for it.
I'll probably grab the liveCD and check it out.
A goal is a dream with a deadline
Above text was on gnome.org 8 hrs ago, why did they feel a need to change that when they announced 2.10?
*gasp* Gnome is not a monopoly *gasp*
*gasp* Gnome is not even a company *gasp*
*gasp* By bundling a movie player and a cd ripping utility Gnome is not illegally abusing it's monopoly in one area to gain a monopoly in an other area *gasp*
Oh, that's right. It's called the law.
- Less feature churn.
- Less feature-creeping bloat.
- More consolidation of dependencies.
- More fixing of the long-standing bugs.
- More delivery of long-standing promises.
Every release seems to have a lot of superficial changes that don't seem to buy anything, but don't really address the issues that everyone seems to complain about. Example: you'd think that the gnome-panel would be pretty ironed out after a few years, but there are still at least a dozen "critical" unresolved bugs for it, where the panel just decides to crash or hang.It's not as glamorous as mating a couple of Bonobos and getting a new SVG Pango baby, but please, for the sake of your users, focus on the fit and finish. What good is a HIG if the average user is put off by all the splinters?
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> Hula and several other new applications were all being announced for Gnome.
Hula has absolutely nothing specific to GNOME.
I can't afford to reboot my box to try the LiveCD because I'm currently running a computation.
I don't understand why the LiveCD must be at the expense of screenshots.
Goneme was a project started in 2004 by someone who didn't like the placement of "accept" and "cancel" buttons and who spent countless hour trolling in osnews/slashdot. The only patch released is from July 2004, and it weights 24 KB. As it can be seen, the mailing list is full of everything except patches.
I only can define it as "dead project" - you really have to have something more than "button order preferences is wrong", "I hate windows registry" and "spatial nautilus is broken" to fork a project. Wow, "Mac OS X is better" - what a surprise. Tell me something I don't know. Not using gecko, use KHTML? Well...wow.
I'm not against forking projects, but this fork is ridiculous. No real reasons, real gnome problems are not mentioned, half of it can be solved by changing the default preferences and no code, etc etc
Many a time have I minimised a conversation only to realise after forgetting about it that I have several messages unread
To bringing down the GIMP.
As much as I love Gnome and its friendly rival KDE, I dislike how bloated it has become. It seems to tax my machine more than parliament (a little joke). I cried when I found my machine was running better under Win2000 than it was under Mandrake (I personally have switched to DSL ) .
Now, I am hardly advertising that to use a windows manager such as Fluxbox or IceWM would be the most intelligent alternative, since a lot of the 'bloat' in these window managers are features which makes said windows manager easier for those new to linux. But something has to be done; along the lines of a group to go through the source, and throwing-out weight. Removing redundant code, unnecessary code, and getting rid of as many memory-hogging resources as possible.
What I am advocating is a 'slim-fast' project, to try to modify KDE or gnome to the point that it is smaller, faster, and yet still useable by Linux newbies. A true challenge, and just as important as adding features. Remember the Soviet stance in technology - The more complex an object, the more likely it is to fail.
"The best protection for the people is not necessarily to believe everything people tell them"-
Maybe it should be "KDE trolls are Kumming?"
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I prefer "KDE trolls are just as bad as Apple fanboys"
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if only alan cumming's last name had a k...
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That's such a long post that I think you should've included a BitTorrent link to it.
this still happens all the time on windows xp sp 2
tasty electronic music vittles
I'm happy to announce that Gnome 2.10 includes the worst terminal emulator application ever seen, which obviously didn't survive more than one minute of testing. Just tap on Enter at your shell prompt and see it. Or try to view a manpage (with "less" as your pager).
vte didn't have a maintainer for quite a long time, both Gnome 2.6 and 2.8 included vte 0.11.11 which suffered from plenty of major (but not critical) bugs (see their bugzilla) and many of them already had a patch either in their bugzilla, or in Fedora or some other distros. Some of these bugreports/patches were created by me, I've spent a couple of days making vte suck less, but as I'm not a Gnome developer and don't have CVS access, all I can do is put every piece of information I know into their bugzilla. On Mar 3 (less than a week ago) some random patches were committed into cvs, which made the very basic features of vte (e.g. being able to scroll inside the terminal) go wrong. Also the new maintainer complained that some of my patches no longer apply and shall I please port them to the new codebase. Okay, "patch -p1 blabla" isn't able to apply them anymore but it would take about two minutes to apply them manually, especially if he read the comments where I described what and why I did. (Now I'm talking about bug 164153.)
So he applied untested and faulty patches, didn't apply some good patches just because they didn't apply cleanly with the "patch" utility, and then released vte-0.11.12 which is so fscking broken that I can't understand how someone could work with it for more than twenty seconds.
Is this really the way to go? Commit tons fundamental non-trivial patches just five or six days before release so that there remains no time to test them? And then don't even try to test them 'cause I'm pretty sure that everyone would notice within a minute that the current version is unusable? Aren't there some development policies that would forbid such kind of change-everything-right-before-major-release commits?
It seems rather ironic that the same community that bashes Microsoft for bundling things like a media player is now adding a video player and CD ripper to their GUI as new features.
The 2.12 release is what i'm excited about... the cairo implementation, better compositing support (aka transparency and shadows... fading in and out of windows etc), gstreamer, dbus, Beagle, Mono, memory reduction...
2.10 has some nice improvements and what one should consider as a release that smooths over some issues. But it's nothing terribly exciting and new. Hopefully 2.12 will be a release that blows people away.
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You could probably boot it from withinQEMU
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All I want is the features back that were dropped between 1.4 and 2.0. Most
notably, in terms of the panel. The 1.2/1.4 panel is *significantly* more
functional than the 2.x one has yet managed to become. Most notably, in 1.x
I can have a tiny always-on-top clock panel, which I can drag to anyplace I
want it. (I keep it just to the left of where the minimize/shade/etc buttons
on a maximized window are, so that it covers up an empty section of titlebar.)
When is Gnome 2 going to get these features back?
Actually, the panel is the only part of Gnome that I really care about. I
don't use the default window manager anyhow, and I *certainly* don't use that
Nautilus junk. (Haven't needed a GUI file manager since tab completion was
invented, and I don't need shortcut icons on the desktop either, because panel
drawers are better, and have freed me from the need to obsessively minimize
everything all the time; I haven't seen my wallpaper in days, and I don't
miss it.) I don't use the web browser, because I have Firefox. I don't
use Gnome Office, because I have OpenOffice. Really, the panel is the key
feature I need from Gnome. (And it's the panel -- and its extremely useful
drawers feature -- that keeps me from switching to KDE or something else.)
In summary, the panel is really important, so, please, please, can we have
the 1.x panel features back? Until we get those, new Gnome releases are of
no interest to me.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
Pipe down, gFanboy. It was a joke. You obviously don't know what the word 'troll' means. Hint: it does NOT mean "I disagree with this post".
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I'd have to concur.
My employer defaults to a gnome desktop as did my university, and i've run kde on all my own systems.
It may just be a preference, but i find i'm a lot more productive on a kde system than a gnome one.
Most people I talk to who use Linux have expressed a strong preference for KDE over GNOME.
I think that both efforts are producing bloated junk. They are so CPU sucking, hideously complex, and hard to customize I cannot understand why they are widely used. I laugh they the proponents of these think they are fit for grandma. Use xfce, or better yet WindowMaker. At least some sanity remains with those.
an ill wind that blows no good
How hard is it for the editors to include a mirror link in the write-up? I mean, why does Slashdot take particular pride in taking out some server or the other? Being an enlightened community, shouldn't the basic rules of netiquette be adhered to?
Seriously, this whole slashdotting thing has gone on far too long. I can't access the site to read TFA even if I want to!
I'll switch to 2.10 as soon, as I can log to Gnome after KDE and come back to KDE without my ~/Desktop broken. And with drag&drop working between Gnome and KDE apps.
Why does a desktop feel the need to include things like movie players and CD rippers? Basically, I want Gnome to direct my typing to the appropriate window, and otherwise, get out of my way.
The bloat is out of control. I'm tired of waiting through 30 seconds of HD swapping to open a new application. I might use the file manager some day, if it didn't take, like, a year to come up. Sure, I could put more than the 256 MB I have on my laptop, but how did we come to live in a world where 256 MB isn't sufficient to run linux graphically?
Gnome still hasn't fixed some basic problems, for years. One example. I set my mouse to focus on a window when it is over a window (without having to click). Half the time, when I close an application, Gnome either focuses on a window the mouse is not in or does not focus on any window. So I have to move the mouse out of and back in the window in order to activate it. This has been a problem since before 2.0.
I'm not normally one for internet acronyms conveying laughter but LOL. They've been using the same shot of that poor girl in every example of gnomemeeting for at least a year now! She must be tired/realdoll.
Does it still feel sluggish on lower end machines?
Does GnomeMeeting really come with a blonde?!?!
What's new
A CD ripper AND a video player?! What will they do for an encore? Shouldn't they leave something to include in later versions? In all seriousness, one of the main complaints I hear about KDE is that it includes all these bells and whistles, thus causing bloat. If Gnome continues on the same trend, there will be even less differentiatingthe two.
If you have xorg 6.8.x installed you can get a program called xcompmgr which is really just a hack to show off these effects. Really the windowmanager should be doing these things and in the future they will. If you have the nvidia drivers you can also turn on hardware acceleration. As I said it's really just a hack but in time it will be come stable and fast.
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that include most of the gnome apps
how they've downgraded Evolution (once my fave app) - that was criminal (the stuff is still horribly unstable)
how they messed up a previously enjoyable and very functional desktop (talk about stay-on-top buttons, etc) is beyond belief.
don't these complaints haunt the developers?
is it the user-base or just their own selves they've been developing for?
I just wonder how many more fans have Gnome lost since.
My sweet little sticky notes applet! I initially wrote it to scratch an itch, and stopped working on it after the Gnome 2.4 release. It's nice to see that it's been maintained well. Hopefully, once I return to the US, I can take care of my baby again. :) And to all of you who sent me mail about it, thanks, and sorry I haven't replied to any of them for so long.
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As far as I know neither no one at Gnome has gotten paid by Novell or Redhat or whatever (Have they giving grants? That is slightly different...). If you talking about "paid" in the sense they are contributing patches maybe it is because their patches are far more redily accepted in Gnome than KDE. Less we forget that unfortunate stuff with the original Bluecurve project some KDE people pooh-pooh-ed.
I'm not surprised at all projects turned their back on KDE or are far more willing to contribute to Gnome to me. And it looks like KDE gives outsiders (those not directly involved in core KDE) little reason too.
Of all the hard working people that have mad Gnome 2.10 then why on earth is there a picture of John Flack on the release note page????
Why does Gnome keep using spatial Nautilus as default? I mean, people hated it a decade ago in Win95/NT4, and they still hate it now. I know you can change it with gconf-editor but why do they keep using something as the default that so many people absolutely detest? (Can you find one sane person outside of the Gnome dev's who likes spatial Nautilus?)
And while I'm at it, why does Gnome have icons that look really dull?(color wise) I'm not fond of everything in KDE, but atleast their icons look somewhat eye appealing.
Every time you post an article on Slashdot, I kill a server. Think of the servers!
...although something tells me she's probably more of a KDE girl
Gnomemeeting developer's girlfriend? Sure...
Have you ever used GNOME for a while? It is a little more complicated, but I find that, compared to KDE, it is much more consistent and explorable. (I think GNOME vs. KDE is a left- vs. right-brain thing: GNOME appeals more to logical, analytical people while KDE appeals more to intuitive and creative people. Maybe I'm just making stuff up.)
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Does anyone know if this new version is still using esound as the sound daemon? There is no way I'm trying out Gnome again until they replace that crazy piece of junk with JACK or something.
If anyone has tried the new release allready... Are the Gnome-team doing anything to reduce the amount of bloat?
Not trolling or anything, I love Gnome, but the amount of resources required almost makes my P4 seem slow, and I find that kinda strange. I'd love to see the developers try to optimize the code a little bit better, and maybe even add the option to deactivate/remove unwanted components.
Because, even as much as I like Gnome, it's huge a resource hogging beast, and I can't really see the reason why it should need to be.
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
Are you trolling or something? I know I've been KDE user for a while but I find it hard to believe that in 2005 the Gnome devs put out a DE that doesn't let you modify the menus.
Seriously, can anyone confirm this?
You're totally right about the Windows 95 look. Someone over at gnome should definitely pick another new default themeset. And icons. The new features however are not pathetic, as you say. Some of them are quite cool and you'd love Redmond or the Apple folks give attention to such detail.
Now if only Gimp was more like Photoshop...
Ubuntu 5.04, due on April 6th, will ship with Gnome 2.10. Might have something to do with the fact that Gnome's release manager Jeff Waugh also happens to be Ubuntu's release manager.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
And I thought they had released a new version of lawn gnomes. They've been riding version 2 since the 70s :(
Hurrah for Xfce!
Our greatest enemy is neither a single man, nor is it a nation, it is, as it has always been, our own greed.
The light source for the foot shadow is from below and left. The light source for the white text shadow is from above. Wussup widdat? Or is it just me?
The brilliant quote 4848:
ohm: damn
ohm: FUCK
ohm: DAMN
ohm: i was just in an AIM convo with a chick, and my grandmother's window pops up
ohm: FUCK
ohm: i go like this to her
ohm: "i want to suck on your clit"
ohm: FUCK
"Joy is contagious," he said, peering into the microscope.
Many people hate the new splash screen. No offense to him, but it's my opinion that the selector of the splash has particularly bad taste. There were several better ones.
I think I speak for everyone when I say, who's that girl?
Take off every sig. For great justice.
Its a Ubuntu LiveCD. .... so no joy.
Oh, and if anyone wants to try the ISO in qemu, it hangs here in the "preparing language settings" step
i just switched from being a longtime kde user to gnome 2.10 on fedora and must say its a *really* nice desktop!
thanks to all gnome devs!
rSl
So you are basically saying that there are few genuine Gnome apps.
... Try to install these on a KDE-only system and you'll see.
And I agree with that. Most so-called Gnome apps are really GTK-apps. Especially the more advanced features like Bonobo are seldomly used.
KDE is different. I see a lot more interoperability and consistency accross the board of KDE-apps. (I may be mistaken about that, but that's my subjective experience)
True Gnome apps come with a load of dependencies, as well. Gnumeric, GnuCash,
so why should I? I personally think it looks crappy and ameture. Nat Friedman, the creator of Ximian, had this to say about it:
"Also, I don't like the winning login splash for GNOME 2.10. It is poorly chosen.
Why? Because the chooser (and I really don't know who chose it) made the classic mistake of failing to distinguish between things that are interesting to the user and things that are interesting to the team building the software. To the team of hackers behind the project, it is interesting and noteworthy that this is a new release of GNOME, and that with each release it gets a little better. It is worth taking note of this milestone, and celebrating it.
And that is what the height-chart theme of the splash screen suggests. But it is not interesting to the user. There is utility in putting the version number in the splash, but the main role of the splash screen design should probably be to convey the personality of the desktop the user is about to experience, not how long it has been under development. "
I agree with him.
...none of them remind me of Amiga OS or OS/2 in terms of bass ackward interfaces with idiotic nomenclature pulled out of someone's rear. From that stance, both KDE and Gnome are getting much better every revision. I'm inclined to use both as the mood strikes.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
Yeah only yesterday did i find a way to get KDE running at work. For the last 18 months i've been doing my day to day work on gnome and found it really cumbersome. Not windows cumbersome, but still denting my productivity.
I find gnomes load/save dialogs to be far less efficient that KDE's. In any kde app i can open up files on remote servers using fish://servername.domain and it does magic with ssh.
Kate and cervisia are both really cool. I can't even find a syntax highlighting editor as standard in my employers gnome distro.
Admittedly their gnome distro seems pretty old to me, but i'm running kde 3.1 which i'm sure is equally dated.
I've always thought i was the logical analytical type... but who knows.
Also kde seems like a dream to develop for. KDevelop is probably the best OS ide i've seen (maybe eclipse is slightly ahead) and the kde apis are incredibly clean and well thought out. My brief adventures with developing gnome stuff suggest it's not the same.
I think you're using the wrong distro. Try Mandrake or Linspire instead.
In Mandrake, configuring software is a snap. Launch the "Mandrake Control Center", and choose from "Insall new software", "Remove Software" and "Update software". Everything available is listed in a nice tree sorted by category, and there's even a search available (so I can search for "Breakout" clones). Check off what you want installed, press "Install", and everything is set up automatically, placed into nice categorized menus (such as "Games" or "Office").
AFAIK, Linsipre's Click-n-run warehouse is quite simmilar.
Does Windows or Mac OS X release every 6 months?
No.
A new default theme is coming up, possibly in 2.12 from what I've gathered.
I dont want to install.. just knoppix boot.
Anyone know?
I find gnomes load/save dialogs to be far less efficient that KDE's. In any kde app i can open up files on remote servers using fish://servername.domain and it does magic with ssh.
Gnome-VFS enabled applications can do that aswell. I've got several FTP and SFTP sites set up in my network locations, and they show up in the left side of any open or save dialog.
Kate and cervisia are both really cool. I can't even find a syntax highlighting editor as standard in my employers gnome distro.
GEdit is Gnome's default editor and has syntax highlighting for quite a bunch of languages. Blame your employer. :)
I have to agree with you on the lack of a good Gnome IDE. Not saying KDevelop is any good, I've never used it in fact. But there's just no single IDE that has ever suited my taste so far, and I can't seem to get anything properly off the ground myself. Guess I'll stick to Midnight Commander some more.
I would love to see the new theme, and no, those desktop environemnts don't get updated every 6 months.
Having said that, Gnome still looks like Win95, and how long has Gnome being released?
BTW - Don't know why I was modded "troll", I dislike the graphic non design of that desktop environment. How's that trolling?
- sigs are for wimps.
That's becuase they don't have to. Windows and Mac OS had "auto-mounting" over a decade ago. Gnome just added it today!
That's some mighty slow catching up.
She's ok, but not that beautiful.
You really are desperate, aren't you?
If you are worried about no window snapping, Gnome has a much bigger problem in that. With the default Metacity window mananger, you can't move the top of windows up off the top of the screen at all with alt-drag, which leaves it all feeling quite claustrophobic. It's been that way for a long time now, and no sign of it getting fixed.
I've been using sawfish to get around that issue, but sawfish seems unmaintained now. Anyone got ideas of a different WM to drop in in order to get window movement in all directions?
i am a bit of a linux noob although i have installed SuSE, redhat, fedora and have used ubuntu, knoppix, SuSE and some other live cd's. what i don't understand is how gnome has its own live cd. don't you need a distribution for gnome to run on? isn't is just a desktop manager?
what am i missing here?
KDE sucks, QT is ugly.
I admire your work, but you lost me in between the 1.4 and the 2.0 releases.
Somehow you got into competition with KDE and you forgot your simplicity roots. I have multiple linux machines, some slow, some recent. None are now desktop GNOME compatible with each other.
If I may suggest, go load OS/2 and take a look at presentation manager. Look at it twice if need be. Its simple and it's fully OOP and takes up less than four megs of ram. If you don't understand the concept of WorkPlace Shell, then ask your conections at IBM.
Meanwhile, waiting for you to improve. I use XFCE4 on my desktops/P150 laptop. K3b, dia, anjuta, bluefish etc. all work seamlessly and great.
Just a suggestion,
Enjoy.
It's just the normal noises in here.
KWM?
*ducks*
You could try using the XFCE window manager -- xfwm -noxfce -- though I haven't actually tried this so it might not play nice with Gnome, but I don't see why it wouldn't offhand.
Bears don't normally eat things that talk and move backwards.
I forget which version of GNOME came with RedHat 9.0, but I rememer it being easier to edit the content of menus. I also remember being able to use sawtooth instead of Nautilus and liking it a LOT more. There seem to be fewer customization options now.
"If it's real, then it gets more interesting the closer you examine it. If it's not real, just the opposite is true." -
I find gnomes load/save dialogs to be far less efficient that KDE's. In any kde app i can open up files on remote servers using fish://servername.domain and it does magic with ssh.
I think ctrl-L is what you are looking for. It's not very intuitive at all, and much like spacial nautilus the location entry should be part of the widget. However it's much more intuitive to use ssh://servername.domain, than fish:// I think.
I'm with you 99%.
A pizza is certainly not the same as an elephant.
Wrong! I can eat both!
I'm not trolling, I'm actually interested in why Gnome would have a splash screen. I can understand a general 'Linux' splashscreen when the OS starts up, and some of the larger applications having their own brief splash screen when they start up, but why would Gnome, a middle-man utility, have a splash screen?
Why would a user even need to know what Gnome is, let alone that it's starting up? It would be like Inetd putting up a splash screen when you booted up, or X Windows, or bash giving its own banner when you logged in. They're utilities, individual building-blocks of the system, that the user shouldn't need to know about, they're not the OS, they're not the apps, you don't see Windows or Mac OS putting up a second splash screen for the thing that does the taskbar and puts the icons on the background.
Also I wonder why out of all the important OSS projects, only Gnome, KDE and Firefox seem to get slashdot stories when they come up with a small update.
open nautilus
Edit/Preferences
Behavior tab
Check the box: Always open in browser window
done!
not kwite
Tried the LiveCD and Epiphany allows IDN phishing! What a poor evidence of GNOME security.
Completely agree. Epiphany has a really intergrated feel, but I miss the FF plugins (specifically Scrapbook, Dictionary Search, Plain Text Links... actually there are a lot of them).
The latest epiphany-extensions package contains a dictionary lookup extension that integrates with gnome-dictionary. For the other functionality you mention, we welcome more extensions. They can even be written in Python now!
Thanks, i'll give that a shot next time i'm using gnome.
THANK GOD. Maybe now I'll actually be able to use metacity instead of replacing it with xfwm4.
Hmmm, well that seems to be the only change that I care about. I can happily wait for this to appear in (say) Fedora Core 4, no rush to upgrade here.