WWII/Cryptography Timeline -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ 1912 June 23 - Birth of Alan Turing, Paddington, London 1918 Nov 11 - World War One ends with German defeat. 1921 July 29 - Adolf Hitler becomes leader of National Socialist 'Nazi' Party. 1923 - Arthur Scherbius incorporated "Chiffriermaschinen Aktiengesellschaft" to make and sell his Enigma machine. 1928 - Polish intelligence steals and copies an Enigma machine from Germans 1929 - Lester S. Hill published "Cryptography in an Algebraic Alphabet" in which a block of plaintext is enciphered by a matrix operation. 1930 Sept 14 - Germans elect Nazis making them second largest political party in Germany. early 1930's - Marian Rejewski and two other polish mathematicians work to break the Enigma code. (For more information, click here.) early 1930's - Polish intelligence was able to read most German military traffic, with the exception of the Kriegsmarine (navy), which always used an additional rotor in their machines. 1930's - the British TYPEX machine was an offshoot of the commercial Enigma purchased by the British for study in the 1920's. It was a 5-rotor machine with the two initial rotors being stators, serving the purpose of the German Enigma's plugboard. 1932 Nov 8 - Roosevelt elected President of the United States. 1933 Jan 30 - Adolf Hitler becomes Chancellor of Germany. March 12 - First concentration camp opened at Oranienburg outside Berlin. March 23 - Enabling Act gives Hitler dictatorial power. July 14 - Nazi party declared only party in Germany. 1934 Aug 19 - Adolf Hitler becomes Führer of Germany. 1936 - The Turing machine: On Computable Numbers... submitted for publication. 1937 - The Japanese Purple machine was invented in response to revelations by Herbert O. Yardley and broken by a team headed by William Frederick Friedman. The Purple machine used telephone stepping relays instead of rotors and thus had a totally different permutation at each step rather than the related permutations of one rotor in different positions. 1938 March 12/13 - Germany announces 'Anschluss' (union) with Austria. Sept 30 - British Prime Minister Chamberlain appeases Hitler at Munich. 1938-39 - In 1938 the Germans added an additional rotor to all their machines and changed settings. The exception to this was the SD, the military police. Up to September 1939 the Poles could read about 10 percent of German traffic, which was enough (along with more mundane forms of intelligence) to identify and locate all major German units committed to the attack as of August 26, 1939. 1938-39 - Turing returns to Cambridge. Introduced to German Enigma cipher problem 1939-40 - Devises the Bombe, machine for Enigma decryption 1939-42 - Breaking of U-boat Enigma cipher by cryptographers in Bletchly Park, saving battle of the Atlantic. 1939 - Polish intelligence passes their work on the Enigma to the French and British March 15/16 - Nazis take Czechoslovakia. Aug 23 - Nazis and Soviets sign Pact. Aug 25 - Britain and Poland sign Mutual Assistance Treaty. Sept 1 - Nazis invade Poland. Sept 3 - Britain, France, Australia and New Zealand declare war on Germany. Sept 5 - United States proclaims neutrality; German troops cross Vistula river in Poland. Sept 10 - Canada declares war on Germany; Battle of the Atlantic begins. Sept 17 - Soviets invade Poland. Sept 27 - Warsaw surrenders to Nazis; Reinhard Heydrich becomes leader of new Reich Main Security Office (RSHA). Sept 29 - Nazis and Soviets divide up Poland. 1940 Jan - Enigma code broken by British.
No - Charlton Heston did not invade and steal the Enigma in 122 minutes.
Armies are irrelevant - what we are allowing to happen renders State Armies useless. There is a fundamental shift in the governance of the planet occurring. One that no longer requires physical force to assure its survival. We are allowing multi-national corporations (with teams of lawyers and accountants) to RE-WRITE the laws of the planet. Those laws will only serve the interests of those same org's who built them.
You can forget about personal liberty, social programs, justice - they will be a thing of the past. The highest order of 'right' will be one that protects the economic interests of self serving, soulless corporations. There will be no defense. They will have altered the way the people organized themselves into governments, the powers those elected officials hold, the right to economic self-determination will be lost (if my country enacts a law that violates XYZ 'treaty', the whole of the International Intergovernmental Economic organizations will immediately rule against it and crush my people/government with economic sanctions)
Corporatist America has realized this power and has defeated Russia in the Cold War. This Corporate Mafia controls the USA and they are gaining ground.
Look at the injustice done to Cuba. Americans propose to be the model of freedom and democracy and yet they actively and openly endeavor to crush any country that wont 'play by their rules'. It disturbs me, try and think about what the USA is doing to Cuba - MINUS all the Mass Media communist propaganda - and you will see the US Corporate Mafia at work. Why wont they allow people to rule themselves and not be enslaved by XYZ Mega-Corp? That idea must not survive, and that is the reason the US Government is at war with Cuba. Because its people are free of the corporate interests that they intend to rule the world by.
This rant may sound like anti-corporate paranoia, but think about it. When was the last time you saw a 'corporation' do a completely selfless, righteous, and giving act? Never. Would you want these types of organizations as your GOVERNMENT?
Face it folks, globalization is the natural evolution of human society on it's way from tribe, village, city-state, nation towards a real world society. Anything or anyone that tries to fight this is simply a socio-luddite.. Some interesting ideas discussed in:
The Naked Ape by: Desmond Morris Mass Market Paperback (August 1973) ISBN: 0440362660
. Consider, for instance, the large infrastructure investment McDonalds needed to make while opening their Moscow location just to get fresh vegetables and non-rotten potatoes
The US propaganda machine has you convinced there would be no fresh-food without McDs. Give your head a shake. The planet managed to feed itself for a VERY long time before the US style Multi-Nationals. Moscovites(sp?), for the most part, eat just fine. You want to site poor, helpless masses? Goto Alabama.
The US notion that it and its policies are going to save the world make me sick. McDs is not the height of human evolution, but it will be our greatest master. (McDs cited as an example, not literally)
With the WTO/OAS/World Bank building 'treaties' like GATT, FTAA, etc etc. You are about to have the same situation on a global scale. Corporate interests and economic treaties will supersede local/national authority because they will 'impede the economic solvency of ABC Inc'.
Things are going to get very bad unless people like Jose are willing to stand up and tell McDs to Fuck Off.
When people realize that the world is being governed in the Board Room instead of the Legislature it will already be too late.
Vote Green, Vote Independent, attend Protests, Burn your Local McDs to the ground. The time for revolution is near.
Its funny how American media has deluded the public into thinking the US was the deciding factor in WWII. Try reading a British Text or a Canadian Text (or inidan, russian - whatever) on WWII. Understand history - not pop culture.
The one thing to kill linux will be fragmentation. I agree with your point of a 'standard' set by some Linux Hacker Org and Distro's running compliance against those watermarks. This will also enable to set a clear path to adding features. When will Linux stop emulating UNIX and develop what is best for Linux as an independent OS. Linux is ready to lead, it is necessary to define a modern OS and build Linux to that to maintain its momentum. =BeOS is showing what advantages exist to writing an OS without over concern for legacy code.
Does anyone else agree that building the IIS is a complete waste of time? Talk about a vision impaired, boring, and uninspired project. Wasnt the last 13 years of MIR enough research in SpaceStations? Why arent we building a station on the moon? or going to Mars? What is the hold up? What happened to the need to explore? our sense of adventure?
Its no surprise that this type of propaganda would flow from MS. That they would purposely use an openly MS employee as a cog in their FUD machine leads me to believe this is not a calculated maneuver.
It dosnt surprise me, in this day when peoples attention spans are.000023ns and popular public discourse occurs on 21/3 minute segments by the 11o'clock talking heads. This is all they need to do, this will build a 'case' that the Kerbos Case is not one of embrace and extend.
MS Markatroid Quote 06.28.01: "WE PUT THIS OUT IN JANUARY _LAST YEAR_, what you read on SLASHDOT are the ramblings of Linux Crazed Zealots(tm) obviously brainwashed and drunk on the evil you know of as 'Open Source'"
Why would you criticize NaN for not completely OpenSource 'ing the entire package? Releasing the source on _ANYTHING_ is good. Lets welcome their efforts and congratulate them for their forward thinking and courage.
Is 'OpenSource' not a 'community' where all are welcome to contribute?
CorelDraw! is a masterwork of Graphics editing. There is not a better product in the same catagory. Corel Co. as a company is unfortunate to have lost a clear vision over the years and dabbles in everything. Dont confuse the two.
Could you please enlighten us why Penthouse/Playboy are 'legit' pornography businesses while hottits.com, bigboobs.com (whatever) are not 'legit'? What are you talking about?
Having a dictionary with all known words/syllables is a serious DB. I wouldnt know where to find one, and I certainly dont have the time to spend w/ a dictionary.
What about a list of known syllables? And search a word for these substrings? ie. the syllable 'in' can be found in 'in'valid, 'in'to, 'in'termission. You could construct the word/syllable relations. It probably would be _much_ slower. But you could avoid having to much reliance on 'previously known data' - which would be like cheating;) Just a thought. Im not a linguist - there may prove to be more syllabels than words in English.
I've spent allot of time wondering where/how/why the 'politically-correct do-gooders' and their army of mindless minions gathered so much power as of late.
In an effort to curb free-thought/free-speech and individuality that pollutes the markatroid view of the universe, Corporate America(tm) etal are attempting reduce human existence on this planet to soul-less consumerism.
When everyone has been brainwashed into clobbering anyone who says anything the least bit provocative (not politically correct), and lawyers can sue you speaking your opinions, they will have reached their goals: Total world 'one-ness' where all people have the same opinions/needs.
The markatroid utopia: ONE DEMOGRAPHIC.
I recognize there is not a conspiracy, that there is not an cadre of Black-Glassed men orchestrating this 'plot'.
All corporations have a desire to push this 'initiative' makeing their 'markets' have more 'informed consumers'. The worst thing: its working.
END-OFFTOPIC
PLEASE READ.SIG, SHUT OFF YOUR TV & FIGHT THE POWER!
Ok - from my understanding with the kernel is its 'modular'. Therefore if 'new SCO' SMP capabilites are not necessary, the bulk is simply not compiled to the kernel you intend to run on your gray-cased clone. Making Linux dynamic enough at its 'core' (kernel) to literally be 'all things to all people.'
To respond to all of Mr. Linus Torvalds's viewpoints would take up too much room and time. I would like to address the most heinous ones, though. But first, let me pose you a question: Is Linus actually concerned about any of us, or does he just want to evoke a misdirected response to genuine unresolved grievances? After reading this letter, you'll unhesitatingly find it's the latter. As we organize our campaigns against the worst kinds of soulless heavy metal fans there are and formulate responses to their rhetoric, it is critical that we search for solutions that are more creative and constructive than the typically petty ones championed by revolting imbeciles.
Let me carry my thoughts on this subject a bit further. I recently heard him tell a bunch of people that society is supposed to be lenient towards foolish simple-minded-types. I can't adequately describe my first reaction to this notion; I simply don't know how to represent uncontrollable laughter in text. In a matter of days, Linus might be diagnosed with a special type of mental illness that is not yet recognized. But for now, be aware that I cannot compromise with him; he is without principles. I cannot reason with him; he is without reason. But I can warn him, and with a warning he must indeed take to heart: He asserts that his vices are the only true virtues. Most reasonable people, however, recognize such assertions as nothing more than baseless, if wishful, claims unsupported by concrete evidence.
As stated earlier, by allowing him to push all of us to the brink of insanity, we are allowing him to play puppet master. Imagine getting a dollar every time Linus said he wouldn't squander irreplaceable treasures, but did so anyway. You'd definitely be very, very rich. My goal for this letter was to insist on a policy of zero tolerance toward absenteeism. Know that I have done my best while trying always to turn Mr. Linus Torvalds's crude ghastly tricks to our advantage. Let an honest history judge.
Probably not because you have to obey the laws of the country that you are currently in, no matter what your citizenship is
Unless you are a foreign emissary. You are then given special-quasi-pseudo untouchable status. Move to Ottawa, but watch out for the strange Red Liscense Plates... they'd sooner run you down with their $100k Mercedes than spit on you.
I think 'roll up the rim to win' donut shops are run by the CIA/FBI to enslave Canadians by doping the coffee w/ psychotropic drugs. Television isnt working as it did in the US, so they are trying another tact.
Slashdot Mirror
... dammnit - got me! eek.
eheheh Disney sells iMacs. Thats Funny.
...That system could be implemented with a NFS mounted resolv.conf...
WWII/Cryptography Timeline -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ 1912 June 23 - Birth of Alan Turing, Paddington, London 1918 Nov 11 - World War One ends with German defeat. 1921 July 29 - Adolf Hitler becomes leader of National Socialist 'Nazi' Party. 1923 - Arthur Scherbius incorporated "Chiffriermaschinen Aktiengesellschaft" to make and sell his Enigma machine. 1928 - Polish intelligence steals and copies an Enigma machine from Germans 1929 - Lester S. Hill published "Cryptography in an Algebraic Alphabet" in which a block of plaintext is enciphered by a matrix operation. 1930 Sept 14 - Germans elect Nazis making them second largest political party in Germany. early 1930's - Marian Rejewski and two other polish mathematicians work to break the Enigma code. (For more information, click here.) early 1930's - Polish intelligence was able to read most German military traffic, with the exception of the Kriegsmarine (navy), which always used an additional rotor in their machines. 1930's - the British TYPEX machine was an offshoot of the commercial Enigma purchased by the British for study in the 1920's. It was a 5-rotor machine with the two initial rotors being stators, serving the purpose of the German Enigma's plugboard. 1932 Nov 8 - Roosevelt elected President of the United States. 1933 Jan 30 - Adolf Hitler becomes Chancellor of Germany. March 12 - First concentration camp opened at Oranienburg outside Berlin. March 23 - Enabling Act gives Hitler dictatorial power. July 14 - Nazi party declared only party in Germany. 1934 Aug 19 - Adolf Hitler becomes Führer of Germany. 1936 - The Turing machine: On Computable Numbers... submitted for publication. 1937 - The Japanese Purple machine was invented in response to revelations by Herbert O. Yardley and broken by a team headed by William Frederick Friedman. The Purple machine used telephone stepping relays instead of rotors and thus had a totally different permutation at each step rather than the related permutations of one rotor in different positions. 1938 March 12/13 - Germany announces 'Anschluss' (union) with Austria. Sept 30 - British Prime Minister Chamberlain appeases Hitler at Munich. 1938-39 - In 1938 the Germans added an additional rotor to all their machines and changed settings. The exception to this was the SD, the military police. Up to September 1939 the Poles could read about 10 percent of German traffic, which was enough (along with more mundane forms of intelligence) to identify and locate all major German units committed to the attack as of August 26, 1939. 1938-39 - Turing returns to Cambridge. Introduced to German Enigma cipher problem 1939-40 - Devises the Bombe, machine for Enigma decryption 1939-42 - Breaking of U-boat Enigma cipher by cryptographers in Bletchly Park, saving battle of the Atlantic. 1939 - Polish intelligence passes their work on the Enigma to the French and British March 15/16 - Nazis take Czechoslovakia. Aug 23 - Nazis and Soviets sign Pact. Aug 25 - Britain and Poland sign Mutual Assistance Treaty. Sept 1 - Nazis invade Poland. Sept 3 - Britain, France, Australia and New Zealand declare war on Germany. Sept 5 - United States proclaims neutrality; German troops cross Vistula river in Poland. Sept 10 - Canada declares war on Germany; Battle of the Atlantic begins. Sept 17 - Soviets invade Poland. Sept 27 - Warsaw surrenders to Nazis; Reinhard Heydrich becomes leader of new Reich Main Security Office (RSHA). Sept 29 - Nazis and Soviets divide up Poland. 1940 Jan - Enigma code broken by British.
No - Charlton Heston did not invade and steal the Enigma in 122 minutes.
Armies are irrelevant - what we are allowing to happen renders State Armies useless. There is a fundamental shift in the governance of the planet occurring. One that no longer requires physical force to assure its survival. We are allowing multi-national corporations (with teams of lawyers and accountants) to RE-WRITE the laws of the planet. Those laws will only serve the interests of those same org's who built them.
You can forget about personal liberty, social programs, justice - they will be a thing of the past. The highest order of 'right' will be one that protects the economic interests of self serving, soulless corporations.
There will be no defense. They will have altered the way the people organized themselves into governments, the powers those elected officials hold, the right to economic self-determination will be lost (if my country enacts a law that violates XYZ 'treaty', the whole of the International Intergovernmental Economic organizations will immediately rule against it and crush my people/government with economic sanctions)
Corporatist America has realized this power and has defeated Russia in the Cold War. This Corporate Mafia controls the USA and they are gaining ground.
Look at the injustice done to Cuba. Americans propose to be the model of freedom and democracy and yet they actively and openly endeavor to crush any country that wont 'play by their rules'. It disturbs me, try and think about what the USA is doing to Cuba - MINUS all the Mass Media communist propaganda - and you will see the US Corporate Mafia at work. Why wont they allow people to rule themselves and not be enslaved by XYZ Mega-Corp? That idea must not survive, and that is the reason the US Government is at war with Cuba. Because its people are free of the corporate interests that they intend to rule the world by.
This rant may sound like anti-corporate paranoia, but think about it. When was the last time you saw a 'corporation' do a completely selfless, righteous, and giving act? Never. Would you want these types of organizations as your GOVERNMENT?
Face it folks, globalization is the natural evolution of human society on it's way from tribe, village, city-state, nation towards a real world society. Anything or anyone that tries to fight this is simply a socio-luddite..
Some interesting ideas discussed in:
The Naked Ape
by: Desmond Morris
Mass Market Paperback (August 1973)
ISBN: 0440362660
. Consider, for instance, the large infrastructure investment McDonalds needed to make while opening their Moscow location just to get fresh vegetables and non-rotten potatoes
The US propaganda machine has you convinced there would be no fresh-food without McDs. Give your head a shake. The planet managed to feed itself for a VERY long time before the US style Multi-Nationals.
Moscovites(sp?), for the most part, eat just fine. You want to site poor, helpless masses? Goto Alabama.
The US notion that it and its policies are going to save the world make me sick. McDs is not the height of human evolution, but it will be our greatest master. (McDs cited as an example, not literally)
With the WTO/OAS/World Bank building 'treaties' like GATT, FTAA, etc etc. You are about to have the same situation on a global scale. Corporate interests and economic treaties will supersede local/national authority because they will 'impede the economic solvency of ABC Inc'.
Things are going to get very bad unless people like Jose are willing to stand up and tell McDs to Fuck Off.
When people realize that the world is being governed in the Board Room instead of the Legislature it will already be too late.
Vote Green, Vote Independent, attend Protests, Burn your Local McDs to the ground. The time for revolution is near.
Its funny how American media has deluded the public into thinking the US was the deciding factor in WWII. Try reading a British Text or a Canadian Text (or inidan, russian - whatever) on WWII. Understand history - not pop culture.
The one thing to kill linux will be fragmentation. I agree with your point of a 'standard' set by some Linux Hacker Org and Distro's running compliance against those watermarks. This will also enable to set a clear path to adding features. When will Linux stop emulating UNIX and develop what is best for Linux as an independent OS. Linux is ready to lead, it is necessary to define a modern OS and build Linux to that to maintain its momentum. =BeOS is showing what advantages exist to writing an OS without over concern for legacy code.
Does anyone else agree that building the IIS is a complete waste of time? Talk about a vision impaired, boring, and uninspired project.
Wasnt the last 13 years of MIR enough research in SpaceStations?
Why arent we building a station on the moon? or going to Mars? What is the hold up?
What happened to the need to explore? our sense of adventure?
Its no surprise that this type of propaganda would flow from MS. That they would purposely use an openly MS employee as a cog in their FUD machine leads me to believe this is not a calculated maneuver.
.000023ns and popular public discourse occurs on 21/3 minute segments by the 11o'clock talking heads. This is all they need to do, this will build a 'case' that the Kerbos Case is not one of embrace and extend.
It dosnt surprise me, in this day when peoples attention spans are
MS Markatroid Quote 06.28.01:
"WE PUT THIS OUT IN JANUARY _LAST YEAR_, what you read on SLASHDOT are the ramblings of Linux Crazed Zealots(tm) obviously brainwashed and drunk on the evil you know of as 'Open Source'"
Why would you criticize NaN for not completely OpenSource 'ing the entire package? Releasing the source on _ANYTHING_ is good. Lets welcome their efforts and congratulate them for their forward thinking and courage.
Is 'OpenSource' not a 'community' where all are welcome to contribute?
I offer one Gold Farthing, and a pack of Trident (green, only 1 stick missing).
CorelDraw! is a masterwork of Graphics editing. There is not a better product in the same catagory. Corel Co. as a company is unfortunate to have lost a clear vision over the years and dabbles in everything. Dont confuse the two.
CDE also ships w/ HPUX 9,10(.2) & 11. just a note
Could you please enlighten us why Penthouse/Playboy are 'legit' pornography businesses while hottits.com, bigboobs.com (whatever) are not 'legit'? What are you talking about?
Having a dictionary with all known words/syllables is a serious DB. I wouldnt know where to find one, and I certainly dont have the time to spend w/ a dictionary.
;) Just a thought. Im not a linguist - there may prove to be more syllabels than words in English.
What about a list of known syllables? And search a word for these substrings? ie. the syllable 'in' can be found in 'in'valid, 'in'to, 'in'termission. You could construct the word/syllable relations.
It probably would be _much_ slower. But you could avoid having to much reliance on 'previously known data' - which would be like cheating
BEGIN-OFFTOPIC
.SIG, SHUT OFF YOUR TV & FIGHT THE POWER!
I've spent allot of time wondering where/how/why the 'politically-correct do-gooders' and their army of mindless minions gathered so much power as of late.
In an effort to curb free-thought/free-speech and individuality that pollutes the markatroid view of the universe, Corporate America(tm) etal are attempting reduce human existence on this planet to soul-less consumerism.
When everyone has been brainwashed into clobbering anyone who says anything the least bit provocative (not politically correct), and lawyers can sue you speaking your opinions, they will have reached their goals: Total world 'one-ness' where all people have the same opinions/needs.
The markatroid utopia: ONE DEMOGRAPHIC.
I recognize there is not a conspiracy, that there is not an cadre of Black-Glassed men orchestrating this 'plot'.
All corporations have a desire to push this 'initiative' makeing their 'markets' have more 'informed consumers'. The worst thing: its working.
END-OFFTOPIC
PLEASE READ
Ok - from my understanding with the kernel is its 'modular'. Therefore if 'new SCO' SMP capabilites are not necessary, the bulk is simply not compiled to the kernel you intend to run on your gray-cased clone. Making Linux dynamic enough at its 'core' (kernel) to literally be 'all things to all people.'
To respond to all of Mr. Linus Torvalds's viewpoints would take up too much room and time. I would like to address the most heinous ones, though. But first, let me pose you a question: Is Linus actually concerned about any of us, or does he just want to evoke a misdirected response to genuine unresolved grievances? After reading this letter, you'll unhesitatingly find it's the latter. As we organize our campaigns against the worst kinds of soulless heavy metal fans there are and formulate responses to their rhetoric, it is critical that we search for solutions that are more creative and constructive than the typically petty ones championed by revolting imbeciles.
Let me carry my thoughts on this subject a bit further. I recently heard him tell a bunch of people that society is supposed to be lenient towards foolish simple-minded-types. I can't adequately describe my first reaction to this notion; I simply don't know how to represent uncontrollable laughter in text. In a matter of days, Linus might be diagnosed with a special type of mental illness that is not yet recognized. But for now, be aware that I cannot compromise with him; he is without principles. I cannot reason with him; he is without reason. But I can warn him, and with a warning he must indeed take to heart: He asserts that his vices are the only true virtues. Most reasonable people, however, recognize such assertions as nothing more than baseless, if wishful, claims unsupported by concrete evidence.
As stated earlier, by allowing him to push all of us to the brink of insanity, we are allowing him to play puppet master. Imagine getting a dollar every time Linus said he wouldn't squander irreplaceable treasures, but did so anyway. You'd definitely be very, very rich. My goal for this letter was to insist on a policy of zero tolerance toward absenteeism. Know that I have done my best while trying always to turn Mr. Linus Torvalds's crude ghastly tricks to our advantage. Let an honest history judge.
The funniest word-mangling done by Americans is pronouncing 'NASA' as 'na-saw'
I get a real laugh about that one.
Probably not because you have to obey the laws of the country that you are currently in, no matter what your citizenship is
Unless you are a foreign emissary. You are then given special-quasi-pseudo untouchable status. Move to Ottawa, but watch out for the strange Red Liscense Plates... they'd sooner run you down with their $100k Mercedes than spit on you.
I think 'roll up the rim to win' donut shops are run by the CIA/FBI to enslave Canadians by doping the coffee w/ psychotropic drugs.
Television isnt working as it did in the US, so they are trying another tact.
I hate to simply post a 'cheer' - but
...dont forget our brothers in China.
here! here!