I like that stuff too, but it's usually E&J for me.
Have you ever drank Crown Royal or Canadian Club? They are blended (dont get fooled by 'single malt purists', they are in the same racket as the misinformed sake-agers you speak of... blended != bad, the brewer has a goal; good whisky, blending enables that goal... as does single-malt... one is not an automatic moral/technical superior). They are BOTH quite good.. I prefer the malty richness of the CC.
The fact that you have been so successful, so quickly has more to do with circumstance and history. The industrial revolution happened, you had natural resources and only had to dig them up as claim (in other parts of the world, resources had already been measured and a plan of consumption underway), there were no EXISTING COMMUNITIES, there have been no Modern Wars (Europe has had its last war btw -- this wont bode well for the USA's sole-superpower crown).
And, really, take a look at UN quality of life index, Reporters without Borders for press freedom, Amnesty International for a list of transgressions, Read A People's History by Zinn... get informed. What I thought I made clear -- and you chose to ignore -- is that MONETARY WEALTH == REAL WEALTH (success). What the USA *really is* is a moderately successful Western nation that happens to have the most money (concentrated into a super-elite-few)... less desirable to live in than virtually all the rest.
And btw, citing immigration / emigration as proof of the desirability will get you nowhere. I contend that only the poorest characters value the opportunity of monetary wealth over the other obvious flaws in your community when choosing to emigrate, in fact, I'd say your problems are actually EXACERBATED by this fact. You are attracting most of the mis-informed and selfish. Quality immigrants CHOOSE other places.... the fact that they decided to go somewhere else is by definition a testament to their superior reasoning skills and strength of character. You do know that Greed is a character FLAW right? Attracting the Greedy is not a virtue.
Do some research. You will discover that it was the USA -- via the WIPO -- that drove the WIPO Copyright Treaty that the DMCA is a USA embodiment-of.
The USA sought the WIPO treaty in order to pass the DMCA. Currently, the USA has the MOST onerous digital-copyright control policies in the world. Others have SIGNED the treaty, but none excelled at implementation like the USA (which should speak to their motivation/place/participation in the whole process)
The Plutocrats will always argue there isnt enough Capitalism. Most citizens of the USA have such a (scary and) reflexive McCarthy response to anything that Capital considers a threat.
Some hate us because as a country we are pushy and not always subtle. Many hate us because we have succeded and make them look bad
When Americans define themselves as 'successful' and others as envious, I always chuckle to myself. You see, this 'success' is an illusion. The the modern USofA was founded on a virgin territory (minus those pesky indigenous peoples..but thats another matter) -- it is a young country.
I would say your Community is very ill-prepared for long term success. In reality, I would say you are dangerous to the well being of us all. Playing fast and loose with your Army, rampant consumerism, environmental denial, Selfishness is practically a Religion, Religion, Violent Crime and a myriad of other, serious 'character flaws' will condemn your culture to doom.
Other nations and cultures have different mesaures of success, places where the USA would do well by investigating. The USA does have some VERY super rich people, but really, this doesnt A) make you successfull or B) make you *ALL* rich (the USA has serious rich/poor issues (prisons full of inner-city people, for-profit health care unevenly supplied).
Unless we want to fall to thier level we must continue to develop viable defenses and offenses weapons
Are you saying that you think it is honourable/right/acceptable that the USA intends to Conquer The World by force? If yes, please, lets not beat around the Bush, please let everyone hear you say so. Shouldnt the Goal of such an accomplished culture be Peace?
Hawkish jingoist Americans amuse me. Can hubris know no bounds?
So, considering the Caste system still exploits nearly 200 Million people - called Untouchables -- treated as virtual slaves by their caste superiors, its nice to see American Capitalists praising India for its Capialist Victories.
The trouble is simple, there are many many poor in India. They are many educated intellectuals, and a growing upper class. YET they still have teaming masses of poor. I can gaurantee you that India's poor will not tolerate the this -- India is a Secular Democracy -- and its people can see the "promise" of Capialism for what it is: Extending the domination of the Upper Class.
In a global context, the USA is the Upper Class. The rest of the world is being (via propaganda like this, WTO treaties and open Warfare(justified time and again by self-serving lies, but still never comes close to excusing the Imperial Warmongering Aggressors to anyone with perspective, a lack of jingoism, a bit of history and a mote of objectiveness) taught a lesson (and sold a noble lie) either continue to serve our economy or face conequences. The DOMESTIC US middle and lower classes had better wake the heck up -- only you will prevent the US plutocrats from extending their Empire over the world. If you dont, these (cluefull) foreign masses *will* eventually kick off their yokes. Inspite of all this flower-y "India as proof of Capitalism" propaganda. The only thing it is proof of, is that YET AGAIN, USA's Plutocrats will make league with ANY CORRUPT system that will butress their status... Saddam, Shah of Iran, Gen. Zia ul-Haq of Pakistan in the 1980's (who helped nurture what later became Al Qaeda), Gen. Suharto in Indonesia, Mobutu Sese Seko in Zaire, Ferdinand Marcos, and and and. Obviously the American people DO NOT CARE about justice and democracy in the world as long as they Can Get Rich.
So when you middle and lower classes in the USA finally realize that "Free Trade" really means "Tolerate sinking living conditions at home, so we can finance the extension of our empire and underclass-serfs, so we may get stinking rich or else be hungry today." than we can discuss what the implications of Free Trade with India's wonderfull New Capitalists.
The environmentalist, anti-nuke, anti-industry, anti-technology groups are going to do everything in their power to see that we don't
I am all of those things.... (except anti-technology (is there really such a thing? luddites living in caves kinda-of Anti-Technology? You cant be serious.))
This can best be summed up by my saying I am Pro Efficiency, Pro Responsibility and Pro Reality.
Nuclear Waste is a problem we cant deal with. The risk of nuclear plants is far too much to be justified. Therefore, I am anti-nuke.
Unregulated markets (what youre talking about when you anti-industry?) are irresponsible and wastefull. Our Industry cannot be allowed to externalize costs in order to sell useless garbage to the masses. Very smart people are at the helm of these entities, and use their ability to force feed -- using VERY effective and sophisticated marketing -- junk to the masses. This is literally polluting ourselves off the planet. The world cannot support the consumption of the West. The world will not survive the attempt for The Rest of The Planet to try and consume like we do. There are not enough resources. We will strip and make bare the planet before every person has 2 SUVs and a 3000sqft home.
Face it, we are speeding off into the unknown, destroying the planet and its ecosystems in exchange for WHAT? Fucking garbage. Do you want to live next to a nuclear reactor -- ive got an offer, NO ONE HAS TO live next to a nuclear reactor if we get smart about our consumption -- and I mean quick. Western suburbanites need to wake the fuck up.
We spend more resources on running-shoe development than basic science research.
its a matter of priorities. And when 'consumers' vote with their dollars, this is the nonsense they choose... not for lack of wisdom, but because the international discourse is so polluted with messages of satisfying immediate needs through shopping and collecting stuff, how are the serious messages of the long term to be communicated?
The environment, basic research, arts, humanities and our basic *true* quality of life is being exchanged for mcdolands happy-meal-toys-toxic-plastic-garbage. Why? Because its easier to manipulate and compel people to narrow their perspective, reduce their outlook on the world and convince them the world is as shallow as they'd like it to be...
the good news? That CAPITALISTS get filthy stinking rich in the process! Hey, its the free market -- lovely isnt it? Marching our way to oblivion, happy consuming masses of morons. Dont worry about the nuclear space junk falling, mass extinction, homeless, hungry, pollution or anything else -- ITS HAPPY HOUR AT THE MINI-MALL! COME SERVE YOURSELF!
When will IBM, HP, Dell and the like turn on MS for directly competing with them. The number 1 rule of honest business is 'dont compete with your customers' -- Im sure that MS's effort to ruin PC based gaming (by creating the Xbox in the first place and directing developers) should be a sign to the BigPCVendors that they are getting stabbed in the heart.
I thought Governor Jeb Bush outlawed Space Travel because it would require disturbing God in Heaven by flying those Big Flaming Stick Things right through the clouds! Oooo Ahhh. What if he gets angry and ruins the Orange Crop!
Really, what are HP, IBM and Dell thinking about MS making a Games-dominant computer? The Xbox is going to evolve into a 'multimedia hub' (music/movies/email?/web?) this is in DIRECT competition with them.
Rule #1 in Honest Business: Don't compete with your customers.
What are MS big partners going to think/do when they realize that MS is seriously undermining their HomePC sales?
Marx warned us about this. When Capitalists control the marketplace, they will collude to exclude others, and only deliver crap. They will defend one another against competition from interlopers, all at the expense of one of the articulated benefits of Capitalism; Competition makes for a fluid delivery of the best product.
You dont get the best product, you get propaganda that you are (not real considered opinion), and as deep a gouge price as people are willing to stand... without any consideration of value at all.
To everyone *outside the USA* (or english speaking countries), it is in a 'second language' Um, maybe that parses wrong. Maybe I meant "To everyone *outside the USA* (and english speaking countries), it is in a 'second language'".
Enjoy a movie like this? Are you kidding? OF COURSE!
The USA has been exporting massive amounts of 'cultural products' for the last 100years. To everyone *outside the USA* (or english speaking countries), it is in a 'second language', yet, its still they eat it up.
Now, consider this trailer again, imagine that it wasnt in Japanese -- what would you be thinking of this movie? It frankly looks terrific. If this movie were coming out of America, it would be MASSIVE. One of these days soon IMHO, Japan is going to drop a blockbuster on the USA. Its cultural products are very much palatable to the American Cultural Sensibilities (for bad as well as good, the USA->Japan post WWII influence is imense) -- Japan is very much due to have its own modern Culture play well in Peoria.
Maybe this movie is it, maybe not, but Japan is becoming a more influencial player in international 'style' and culture. And really, being a fan of Anime is not a pre-requisite. Im sure this movie will stand well no its onw.
But dont go around telling people that voting is useless because the parties are identical.
Im saying that you must break a few eggs to make an omlette. I just flately would *not* vote for the Republicrats. They are absolutely corrupt, bought and paid-for. There is no refuting that...
The simple solution. If your on the Right, vote FURTHER right. Libertarian or Fascist. On the left, vote FURTHER left. Vote Green or Socialist.
it would be a nice demonstration of the claim that opensource software can adapt quickly to 'breaks' in incompatable licenses (and unwanted behaviour).
Lets see how flawless this comes off -- will it cause confusion or can RedHat (the leading distro) make the change, leaving others, will it 'fork' and provide two distinct servers or will One Fail?
If your country is split so close, so narrowly through the center, that the *POSSIBILITY* of tampering is not 100% obvious (that causes those riots in the streets...) why not look to garner a better concensus? Why not consider altering the *structure* of the debate? Why not consider the method?
We/.ers are so frequently decrying "Method Patents" if we cannot fathom the creation of a *fair* automated tallying system (something more 'complex' than paper), why not question what the system itself is?
If your public discourse is incapable of discussing *that* issue -- Real Reform of Government (like, I dont know, maybe more than a Democracy of the Republicrat Party). If your paperless ballot system was meant to build concensus, you wouldnt have this debate in the first place.
NO LARGE GROUP WOULD BE UNHAPPY WITH THE RESULTS. Maybe the "one person one vote, winner take all" system is just a little dated? Lets start communicating. Lets focus enough to discuss our governance...if we cant, why build all these "communication tools?".....oh, look, a shiny thing...
*Woha, woha, woha. Before you go flaming me, or modding me down, I am not delivering a flippant "this is the solution" answer, im suggesting a place to start thinking. I am not for, or against, *that particular method*. There are many, how about PR? (Use Google))
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IT is something that Zinn's fictions and proclamations by political pressure groups
Of all the critics of Zinn's work ive heard, Ive rarely heard bold-faced denial. Fine work, refute via ad-hominum.
Let me continue for you; I've heard Zinn is a godless commie, gay and drunk therefore his books are lies.
how's that?
I like that stuff too, but it's usually E&J for me.
Have you ever drank Crown Royal or Canadian Club? They are blended (dont get fooled by 'single malt purists', they are in the same racket as the misinformed sake-agers you speak of... blended != bad, the brewer has a goal; good whisky, blending enables that goal... as does single-malt... one is not an automatic moral/technical superior). They are BOTH quite good.. I prefer the malty richness of the CC.
The fact that you have been so successful, so quickly has more to do with circumstance and history. The industrial revolution happened, you had natural resources and only had to dig them up as claim (in other parts of the world, resources had already been measured and a plan of consumption underway), there were no EXISTING COMMUNITIES, there have been no Modern Wars (Europe has had its last war btw -- this wont bode well for the USA's sole-superpower crown).
And, really, take a look at UN quality of life index, Reporters without Borders for press freedom, Amnesty International for a list of transgressions, Read A People's History by Zinn... get informed. What I thought I made clear -- and you chose to ignore -- is that MONETARY WEALTH == REAL WEALTH (success). What the USA *really is* is a moderately successful Western nation that happens to have the most money (concentrated into a super-elite-few)... less desirable to live in than virtually all the rest.
And btw, citing immigration / emigration as proof of the desirability will get you nowhere. I contend that only the poorest characters value the opportunity of monetary wealth over the other obvious flaws in your community when choosing to emigrate, in fact, I'd say your problems are actually EXACERBATED by this fact. You are attracting most of the mis-informed and selfish. Quality immigrants CHOOSE other places.... the fact that they decided to go somewhere else is by definition a testament to their superior reasoning skills and strength of character. You do know that Greed is a character FLAW right? Attracting the Greedy is not a virtue.
Do some research. You will discover that it was the USA -- via the WIPO -- that drove the WIPO Copyright Treaty that the DMCA is a USA embodiment-of.
The USA sought the WIPO treaty in order to pass the DMCA. Currently, the USA has the MOST onerous digital-copyright control policies in the world. Others have SIGNED the treaty, but none excelled at implementation like the USA (which should speak to their motivation/place/participation in the whole process)
The Plutocrats will always argue there isnt enough Capitalism. Most citizens of the USA have such a (scary and) reflexive McCarthy response to anything that Capital considers a threat.
Some hate us because as a country we are pushy and not always subtle. Many hate us because we have succeded and make them look bad
When Americans define themselves as 'successful' and others as envious, I always chuckle to myself. You see, this 'success' is an illusion. The the modern USofA was founded on a virgin territory (minus those pesky indigenous peoples..but thats another matter) -- it is a young country.
I would say your Community is very ill-prepared for long term success. In reality, I would say you are dangerous to the well being of us all. Playing fast and loose with your Army, rampant consumerism, environmental denial, Selfishness is practically a Religion, Religion, Violent Crime and a myriad of other, serious 'character flaws' will condemn your culture to doom.
Other nations and cultures have different mesaures of success, places where the USA would do well by investigating. The USA does have some VERY super rich people, but really, this doesnt A) make you successfull or B) make you *ALL* rich (the USA has serious rich/poor issues (prisons full of inner-city people, for-profit health care unevenly supplied).
Unless we want to fall to thier level we must continue to develop viable defenses and offenses weapons
Are you saying that you think it is honourable/right/acceptable that the USA intends to Conquer The World by force? If yes, please, lets not beat around the Bush, please let everyone hear you say so. Shouldnt the Goal of such an accomplished culture be Peace?
Hawkish jingoist Americans amuse me. Can hubris know no bounds?
Only in the USA. Remember, the rest of the world is a much larger marketplace, with very different (more citizen-friendly) rules.
So, considering the Caste system still exploits nearly 200 Million people - called Untouchables -- treated as virtual slaves by their caste superiors, its nice to see American Capitalists praising India for its Capialist Victories.
The trouble is simple, there are many many poor in India. They are many educated intellectuals, and a growing upper class. YET they still have teaming masses of poor. I can gaurantee you that India's poor will not tolerate the this -- India is a Secular Democracy -- and its people can see the "promise" of Capialism for what it is: Extending the domination of the Upper Class.
In a global context, the USA is the Upper Class. The rest of the world is being (via propaganda like this, WTO treaties and open Warfare(justified time and again by self-serving lies, but still never comes close to excusing the Imperial Warmongering Aggressors to anyone with perspective, a lack of jingoism, a bit of history and a mote of objectiveness) taught a lesson (and sold a noble lie) either continue to serve our economy or face conequences. The DOMESTIC US middle and lower classes had better wake the heck up -- only you will prevent the US plutocrats from extending their Empire over the world. If you dont, these (cluefull) foreign masses *will* eventually kick off their yokes. Inspite of all this flower-y "India as proof of Capitalism" propaganda. The only thing it is proof of, is that YET AGAIN, USA's Plutocrats will make league with ANY CORRUPT system that will butress their status... Saddam, Shah of Iran, Gen. Zia ul-Haq of Pakistan in the 1980's (who helped nurture what later became Al Qaeda), Gen. Suharto in Indonesia, Mobutu Sese Seko in Zaire, Ferdinand Marcos, and and and. Obviously the American people DO NOT CARE about justice and democracy in the world as long as they Can Get Rich.
So when you middle and lower classes in the USA finally realize that "Free Trade" really means "Tolerate sinking living conditions at home, so we can finance the extension of our empire and underclass-serfs, so we may get stinking rich or else be hungry today." than we can discuss what the implications of Free Trade with India's wonderfull New Capitalists.
Re: One point that particularly struck me: according to Gruber, 'Unix nerds who care about usability are switching to Mac OS X in droves'
BS. I personally know three former apple users who have moved straight from Apple to x86 Linux. Two to XandrOS and one to Debian. KDE with karamba is plenty 'pretty'. Plus, their new mini-ITX cases are silent, small and of a more pleasing 'modern design'.
My personal experience leads me to believe this is not the case...
The environmentalist, anti-nuke, anti-industry, anti-technology groups are going to do everything in their power to see that we don't
I am all of those things.... (except anti-technology (is there really such a thing? luddites living in caves kinda-of Anti-Technology? You cant be serious.))
This can best be summed up by my saying I am Pro Efficiency, Pro Responsibility and Pro Reality.
Nuclear Waste is a problem we cant deal with. The risk of nuclear plants is far too much to be justified. Therefore, I am anti-nuke.
Unregulated markets (what youre talking about when you anti-industry?) are irresponsible and wastefull. Our Industry cannot be allowed to externalize costs in order to sell useless garbage to the masses. Very smart people are at the helm of these entities, and use their ability to force feed -- using VERY effective and sophisticated marketing -- junk to the masses. This is literally polluting ourselves off the planet. The world cannot support the consumption of the West. The world will not survive the attempt for The Rest of The Planet to try and consume like we do. There are not enough resources. We will strip and make bare the planet before every person has 2 SUVs and a 3000sqft home.
Face it, we are speeding off into the unknown, destroying the planet and its ecosystems in exchange for WHAT? Fucking garbage. Do you want to live next to a nuclear reactor -- ive got an offer, NO ONE HAS TO live next to a nuclear reactor if we get smart about our consumption -- and I mean quick. Western suburbanites need to wake the fuck up.
We spend more resources on running-shoe development than basic science research.
its a matter of priorities. And when 'consumers' vote with their dollars, this is the nonsense they choose... not for lack of wisdom, but because the international discourse is so polluted with messages of satisfying immediate needs through shopping and collecting stuff, how are the serious messages of the long term to be communicated?
The environment, basic research, arts, humanities and our basic *true* quality of life is being exchanged for mcdolands happy-meal-toys-toxic-plastic-garbage. Why? Because its easier to manipulate and compel people to narrow their perspective, reduce their outlook on the world and convince them the world is as shallow as they'd like it to be...
the good news? That CAPITALISTS get filthy stinking rich in the process! Hey, its the free market -- lovely isnt it? Marching our way to oblivion, happy consuming masses of morons. Dont worry about the nuclear space junk falling, mass extinction, homeless, hungry, pollution or anything else -- ITS HAPPY HOUR AT THE MINI-MALL! COME SERVE YOURSELF!
Solution
Vote for any non-Republicrat candidate.
End Transmission.
When will IBM, HP, Dell and the like turn on MS for directly competing with them. The number 1 rule of honest business is 'dont compete with your customers' -- Im sure that MS's effort to ruin PC based gaming (by creating the Xbox in the first place and directing developers) should be a sign to the BigPCVendors that they are getting stabbed in the heart.
I thought Governor Jeb Bush outlawed Space Travel because it would require disturbing God in Heaven by flying those Big Flaming Stick Things right through the clouds! Oooo Ahhh. What if he gets angry and ruins the Orange Crop!
Yeah, exactly.
Really, what are HP, IBM and Dell thinking about MS making a Games-dominant computer? The Xbox is going to evolve into a 'multimedia hub' (music/movies/email?/web?) this is in DIRECT competition with them.
Rule #1 in Honest Business: Don't compete with your customers.
What are MS big partners going to think/do when they realize that MS is seriously undermining their HomePC sales?
Or, if you buy a potted and alive tree, you can plant it. Just a small bit better.
Marx warned us about this. When Capitalists control the marketplace, they will collude to exclude others, and only deliver crap. They will defend one another against competition from interlopers, all at the expense of one of the articulated benefits of Capitalism; Competition makes for a fluid delivery of the best product.
You dont get the best product, you get propaganda that you are (not real considered opinion), and as deep a gouge price as people are willing to stand... without any consideration of value at all.
Welcome to the Plutocracy.
OH great, thats what I want. Muggers will now need to cut off your finger to rob you.
A link to same story not on that-paper-that-requires-a-registration
To everyone *outside the USA* (or english speaking countries), it is in a 'second language'
Um, maybe that parses wrong. Maybe I meant "To everyone *outside the USA* ( and english speaking countries), it is in a 'second language'".
Enjoy a movie like this? Are you kidding? OF COURSE!
The USA has been exporting massive amounts of 'cultural products' for the last 100years. To everyone *outside the USA* (or english speaking countries), it is in a 'second language', yet, its still they eat it up.
Now, consider this trailer again, imagine that it wasnt in Japanese -- what would you be thinking of this movie? It frankly looks terrific. If this movie were coming out of America, it would be MASSIVE. One of these days soon IMHO, Japan is going to drop a blockbuster on the USA. Its cultural products are very much palatable to the American Cultural Sensibilities (for bad as well as good, the USA->Japan post WWII influence is imense) -- Japan is very much due to have its own modern Culture play well in Peoria.
Maybe this movie is it, maybe not, but Japan is becoming a more influencial player in international 'style' and culture. And really, being a fan of Anime is not a pre-requisite. Im sure this movie will stand well no its onw.
But dont go around telling people that voting is useless because the parties are identical.
Im saying that you must break a few eggs to make an omlette. I just flately would *not* vote for the Republicrats. They are absolutely corrupt, bought and paid-for. There is no refuting that...
The simple solution. If your on the Right, vote FURTHER right. Libertarian or Fascist. On the left, vote FURTHER left. Vote Green or Socialist.
it would be a nice demonstration of the claim that opensource software can adapt quickly to 'breaks' in incompatable licenses (and unwanted behaviour).
Lets see how flawless this comes off -- will it cause confusion or can RedHat (the leading distro) make the change, leaving others, will it 'fork' and provide two distinct servers or will One Fail?
Should be interesting to watch.
The Sierra club. They've since come on board but they had an unfortunate sound bite.Cuisinarts of the Sky [wind-works.org]
Guilt by association.
Also, I'm generally skeptical of anyone who makes up names for groups of people like "Environmental-Deniers." You seem to suffer from delusion.
Ad Hominem.
Because 1) many people, well-informed or not, do believe it, even if they're not spokespeople for major organizations.
Straw Man.
2) The Sierra club put its foot in its mouth with that "Cuisinart" quote. It was catchy, and it caught on.
Begging the Question
Ok, I admit Diebold's systems are flawed. No Paper Ballot(tm), no trust. I agree.
/.ers are so frequently decrying "Method Patents" if we cannot fathom the creation of a *fair* automated tallying system (something more 'complex' than paper), why not question what the system itself is?
Diebold and its advocates are bent and determined to use them in elections. OK, lets do that.
The Comprimise(TM): Change the voting Method.*
If your country is split so close, so narrowly through the center, that the *POSSIBILITY* of tampering is not 100% obvious (that causes those riots in the streets...) why not look to garner a better concensus? Why not consider altering the *structure* of the debate? Why not consider the method?
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If your public discourse is incapable of discussing *that* issue -- Real Reform of Government (like, I dont know, maybe more than a Democracy of the Republicrat Party). If your paperless ballot system was meant to build concensus, you wouldnt have this debate in the first place.
NO LARGE GROUP WOULD BE UNHAPPY WITH THE RESULTS. Maybe the "one person one vote, winner take all" system is just a little dated? Lets start communicating. Lets focus enough to discuss our governance...if we cant, why build all these "communication tools?".....oh, look, a shiny thing...
*Woha, woha, woha. Before you go flaming me, or modding me down, I am not delivering a flippant "this is the solution" answer, im suggesting a place to start thinking. I am not for, or against, *that particular method*. There are many, how about PR? (Use Google))