Can anyone please give advice on how to overcome this problem...medication
Stay away from Medication as behaviour modification. Im not a Scientologist, so dont rail against me for being crazy (please)... but I dont believe that the modern psychotropic meds as a 'cure-all' is a good idea. I cant comment on *exactly* why you cant sit down to do work -- i have much the same problem... but taking medication to be 'more productive' is never the answer. Frankly, if you are not 'productive enough' for the path youve chosen, you need to consider something else... if your imagination provides pleasure, why avoid it? Your humanity (literally) is at stake, do not risk your "self" -- by taking chemicals -- so that you can meet external goals.
If your clothed, fed, and relatively capable of staying that way, you are not mentally unstable enough to justify this course of action.
Did you ever consider that you have simply chosen to do something that you dont enjoy? if so, why do it? Life is too short to torture yourself -- or choose medication to make that toruture bearable.
Well, if you dont mind doing tech support for $5 per hr, you can certainly find work.
Anywhere that can afford to pay for the services already have a IT dept., everyone else is going to bicker "well, ABCTech always comes out for $15 + $5 per hr, cant you give a better price?"
could it be possible to refuse to route RIAA/MPAA traffic? If you run a router on the net, just setup your router to send everything from their subnet to/dev/null
Why? Welfare/unemployment compensation is not designed to support that kind of lifestyle.
not exactly true. Shift some of the wealth from the ultra-wealthy and you can support *alot* of people, there has to be a bottom-side social system of some sort... if the bottom is not kept up enough, this small, hoplessly poor/hungry group will destroy (literally) everything.
Well, take a look at the automotive industry. Every year more and more workers are laid off and replaced by robots. You don't have to pay retirement pensions for robots.
Untrue. Every eyer more and more jobs are moved OFFSHORE where labour law is more lax, labour is cheaper, environmental law is more lax etc etc.
NAmerica is not experiencing a productivity boom but a job-flight boom.
The mechanical-industrial revolution displaced millions of workers and lead to Communist Revolutions around the world.
Will the "Robot-industrial revolution"... wont our unemployed sons and daughters do the same thing -- but *not* allow the next Communist Revolution to become oppressive? I hope so.
oh, one more thing, if your repsonse is "survivial of the fitest", "ill always have a job", just imagine a future with 40% unemployment (because no capitalist will employ a Canadian (too expensive to have safety, health care, and pensions for a lowely factory worker)) -- imagine bread lines of hungry people, and imagine what kind of security you'll have for yourself and family, who will buy your products, and who will protect your environment?
The only thing a government can do it get rid of deficit/debt and promote investment and lower taxes in their country, to draw business
Eeek, neo-capitalist alert. You scare me. #1) Capitalism is a system, with bounds created by our community. All bounds are reasonable if decided upon by the community. Capitalism is an efficient and complex system, but it is not a 'self-evident' or 'natural' one like some Capitalists believe. It responds to inputs and outputs, and the leaders of our community (government) can use the will and common goals of the community to influence it. A favorite Green Party axiom comes to mind; "Tax bads, not Goods ". We should be using the Artifical Bounds that surround Capitalism to achieve goals... too many people hungry? Drop taxes on Food. Too many unemployed? Drop taxes on employment. Too much corruption? Create criminal law. Too much pollution? Create pollution taxes.
When the world achieves Common-market globalization, *these* 'external' bounds become *very* important. A profit-loving capitalist will look to externalize/minimalize costs and internalize/maximize profit. If one nation has lower taxes, this capitalist will see it as a benefit, BUT, what does a community do without Taxes money? The inequity will skyrocket, as the "haves" will use thier capital to extort profit, while the "have-nots" will become more and more marginalized (because, your "low tax" nation will not have the capability (in your all-free-capitalism future) to affect change). So, what do you do with the unemployed? They cant goto school because there are no free schools. They cant goto work because they cant pay for a car, or the Road Fee (remember your freemarket), or whatever...
Bottom Line: You *need* taxes to address a communities problems. Now, in your "eliminate debt/deficit (a good goal)" on the way to "lowering taxes", your nation starts down the Race to the Bottom.
When the system becomes unequal enough, when the majority become marganilized enough, when the rich get rich enough, and the poor get poor enough, THATS when things get interesting. What happens? History already knows; The weak rise against the powerfull and redistribute the wealth and remake the system.
Argue all you'd like, but money is a magnet, and without a Social Conscience involved in stearing Capitalism to do more than address the goals of a few Capialists, your 'middleclass' gets squeezed enough to start to identify with the have-nots... and they will start to Question The System.
CanadaDave, I *am* a Social Democrat, I have voted NDP.
Your Capitalist market needs balance, the International Coporate Class must not be allowed to manipulated the future relations of nations in order to pit nations/people against one another. If a Global Free market is needed, then all participating *must* have equal labour law, criminal law, environemental law, tax law etc etc etc. *If* it doesnt, the Capitalist will pick and choose the benefits from each Community and pit them against one another to make *his own* law like the Lowest Barrier... this is a recipe for disaster.
if we had DENSE urban spaces, you *would* be closer to work -- get it?
Work would be closer to everyone. your *new* job would *ALSO* not be 200kms away -- get it?
as far as feeling superior, give me a break, this is not a holier-than-thou problem, its real... pollution is real. habitat loss is real. agricultural land-loss is real. spiraling-tax rates are real... all WORSENED by spreading out all over hell's-half-acre.
Your arguments are straw men, actually if you re-read your post, you see that you are lamenting exactly the same problems I am. You just dont see that the SUBURBIA causes the problem.
well, honestly, why couldnt your kids run around in a park? the reality is that cities are safe -- but major-network news breeds fear (really).
Well, wanting to 'stretch' out is reasonable enough i guess, but your 'stretching out' is *expensive* to the community (see ills of sprawl @ link above) -- if you were *really* paying for your house in the suburb, you would find it a more reasonable $$ decision to live in the city.
You've found home in the suburbs a better financial situation because of a warped system..
... make car owners, road users (especially the transport industry) pay for EVERY bit of expense. roads, highways, parking lots, curbs -- EVERYTHING.
When your auto comes withe appropriate price tag/monthly service charge (say, $4-5K P.A.) people will start to re-think how they live.
Im not saying "tax them out of existance", im saying make them pay there own bloody way. One Green Party axiom comes to mind; "Tax Bads not Goods". That tax policy is a way to influence our communities... and if that policy is 100,000k tax credits on 6,000lb SUVs you yanks are going to end up with a warped reality, one that *encourages* irresponsibility.
Sure, rich campaign donors (auto co's and oil co's) love the current regulatory regime, but people with sense understand that the current unsustainable communities/transportation modes is crazy, destructive and expensive. Why continue?
well, really, w/r/t the space, no there is not much you can do about that. More density does (kinda) mean less "land" -- but that can be balanced with parks, greenspaces, community farms etc wich help take the edge off most 'urban' areas...
As for it 'costing triple' thats not really true. see, the whole community (both yoruself and the urbanites are paying taxes that make it appear your saving money out in the burbs... not really true. tax / regulatory systems have to be changed to end the subsidy of sprawl.
The problem is your not living close enough to work, your City is being/has been designed poorly and you're local government isnt in touch. Have a look at this website on Sprawl
I ride to work because I live in an old part of town, in a 100yr+ old semi-detached brownstone. My employer is a few blocks away -- why? because I *chose* to live here to be near to work (smart eh?).
Over the last 30 years urban density has decreased by 30% WHILE N.America has become more urbanized AND population has increased; the end result is urban systems designed around the auto and not the individual. COMPLETELY BROKEN.
Besides the health and environmental benefits, slowing sprawl will help ease public spending. Sprawl is terribly expensive; sure its cheap for you to plant a cheap home on a former farm outside of town, but the province/municipality has to pay to service that property -- not the developer and not the buyer... so you end up having existing neighbourhoods paying to build someone else's fresh suburb... all in all a *bad* way to live.
My suggestion: move closer to work. And lobby the local government for better public transport, bike-ways and pedestrian space... and GET OUT OF YOUR CAR.
Well, really, only a CORRUPT government has this problem. For some reason, you yankees will ONLY vote for the Democrats or Republicans -- both parties LONG since sold out to $BIG_MONEY.
If there is anyone living in the united states, who is at all interested in seeing your Democracy awaken from its current morbund funk, dont vote for a Republicrat. Vote Green, Social Democrat, Libertarian, Reform, Communist, Natural Law; ANYTHING -- just dont vote for Republicans or Democrats -- tell your friends.
I am (as I type this) wrestling with a Pioneer DVR-104. Ive updated MB bios, the drive's bios, this that and the other thing. Running under Windows XP Pro, and HATING the damn thing...
Horsepucky. For every selfmade success, someone to pull himself/family from absolute poverty with a stellar idea, i can show you 10,000 trust-fund successes.
Rich sons and Rich daughters, buy their way into ivy-league schools and cheat their way through to a moron degree. Given jobs by their golf-club friends.
Their biggest skill? condescension and the confidence that comes with never having cleaned a fucking toilet in their lives.
I work in the Auto Industry (big three), our Plant Manager (a small, old plant) makes somewhere near US$500,000 PA. Her major talent? A former VP father, and the ability to parrot the latest useless goddamn management initiative.
She hasnt a *CLUE* about what the hell is going on, she gets lied to by a group of old-timers who REALLY run the show, and play lip-service to her bullcrap to keep her at arms-distance. Every 2years they send another one of these morons from Michigan to sit in a the parade of previous morons... The only thing they know is how to take meetings and talk about "process improvments to deliver an increase in our internal-customer's usability metric."
This cruft, AT THE TOP is running the West into the ground, fat and stupid, these morons propagandize to the public to BUY BUY BUY BUY (and the sheeple happily follow) without any concern for long-term planning, the planet and the ability of my great-great-grandchildren to eat... Im not going to buy a $100,000 yacht on the backs of my neighbours kids -- but this idiot is in charge of 1000 people in my building would do it happily, giggling all the way to the bank.
hey, thats not true -- their wont be a giant slum -- I'll bet Africa could grow into a lovely fortress for the rich... Just that the middle class, which formerly acted as a barrier between the haves and have-nots will be sufficiently squeezed to start to identify with the have-nots... THEN things start to get interesting.
See the American Revolution, French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Cuban Revolution, %your-favorite-monarch/ruling-class-disposed-by-th e-peasants-here%
*OR* the planet can start to get serious about the business of fair and equitable society. Equal Opportunity for all. Help for those who need it. Peace. Prosperity for all -- not just a few rich SOB CEOs who will run away with a bag-o-cash in a heartbeat, these people are 'world-citizens', they are rich, they can pick up and scoot off to where-ever the hell's not burning... and their newly minted middle class will be happy for the prosperity that trickles down -- and will send their civilized sons and daughters to fight our evil great-grandchildren
heheh in your case, choice == money to buy care... what do those without money do? die?
THAT is the basic difference... the rest of the world has (via their democratic institutions) decided that THEY are better with universal and equal care FOR ALL. THAT is OUR choice.
Interesting that "Funding for TIA All But Dead" is the tag on a $169 MILLION budget. Really, I'd say that $400 was the long shot, and the $169 was the "awww shucks, i guess we'll be real thrifty and carefull with this new project and only spend $170 Million". The TIA project is sadly offensive in a USA where the whole shebang is getting budgeted on BORROWED money. Either people have to sit up and decide to pay their taxes for this jibberish or they need to ease up on the Orwellian Nightmare Funding Project... aka TIA.
Maybe they can put this TIA thing back a year and do something about the crumbling inner-city-Detroit, or poor without food/healthcare, or some-other-more-worthy-project.
Really, even with that said, who really thinks that the DoD/CIA/NSA/FBI couldnt come up with the money (even in *addition* to what they spend now) to fund such a project. Dont think just because they are *reporting* to be less serious about it; "hey look - were cutting its funding - its not a priority (since you were so offended..)", this Stasi-Like crap is only gonna get more severe as your country slips into a deeper self-induced paranoia/schitzophrenia... and Bush is driving the bus.
If you include the money, paid out-of-pocket by Americans for their health care, and add the two, the US moves up pretty fast in the "most taxed" list (top 5 i thought)...
Americans look down their nose at europe/canada; "You pay Soooooo much tax" but then dont consider EXACTLY what programs are offered.
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Can anyone please give advice on how to overcome this problem...medication
Stay away from Medication as behaviour modification. Im not a Scientologist, so dont rail against me for being crazy (please)... but I dont believe that the modern psychotropic meds as a 'cure-all' is a good idea. I cant comment on *exactly* why you cant sit down to do work -- i have much the same problem... but taking medication to be 'more productive' is never the answer. Frankly, if you are not 'productive enough' for the path youve chosen, you need to consider something else... if your imagination provides pleasure, why avoid it? Your humanity (literally) is at stake, do not risk your "self" -- by taking chemicals -- so that you can meet external goals.
If your clothed, fed, and relatively capable of staying that way, you are not mentally unstable enough to justify this course of action.
Did you ever consider that you have simply chosen to do something that you dont enjoy? if so, why do it? Life is too short to torture yourself -- or choose medication to make that toruture bearable.
Well, if you dont mind doing tech support for $5 per hr, you can certainly find work.
Anywhere that can afford to pay for the services already have a IT dept., everyone else is going to bicker "well, ABCTech always comes out for $15 + $5 per hr, cant you give a better price?"
Not exactly a great opportunity I'd say.
could it be possible to refuse to route RIAA/MPAA traffic? If you run a router on the net, just setup your router to send everything from their subnet to /dev/null
f'em.
Why? Welfare/unemployment compensation is not designed to support that kind of lifestyle.
not exactly true. Shift some of the wealth from the ultra-wealthy and you can support *alot* of people, there has to be a bottom-side social system of some sort... if the bottom is not kept up enough, this small, hoplessly poor/hungry group will destroy (literally) everything.
Capitalism is the lowest-energy state of an economy.
What? are you on drugs? "Capitalism" means no such thing.
hehe, no, of real industrial robots manufacturing other industrial robots.
IRL.
Well, take a look at the automotive industry. Every year more and more workers are laid off and replaced by robots. You don't have to pay retirement pensions for robots.
Untrue. Every eyer more and more jobs are moved OFFSHORE where labour law is more lax, labour is cheaper, environmental law is more lax etc etc.
NAmerica is not experiencing a productivity boom but a job-flight boom.
Ive seen spooky video of Industrial-Robot manufacturing facilities in Japan with THOUSANDS of robots assembling their own.
eerie.
The mechanical-industrial revolution displaced millions of workers and lead to Communist Revolutions around the world.
Will the "Robot-industrial revolution"... wont our unemployed sons and daughters do the same thing -- but *not* allow the next Communist Revolution to become oppressive? I hope so.
oh, one more thing, if your repsonse is "survivial of the fitest", "ill always have a job", just imagine a future with 40% unemployment (because no capitalist will employ a Canadian (too expensive to have safety, health care, and pensions for a lowely factory worker)) -- imagine bread lines of hungry people, and imagine what kind of security you'll have for yourself and family, who will buy your products, and who will protect your environment?
The only thing a government can do it get rid of deficit/debt and promote investment and lower taxes in their country, to draw business
Eeek, neo-capitalist alert. You scare me. #1) Capitalism is a system, with bounds created by our community. All bounds are reasonable if decided upon by the community. Capitalism is an efficient and complex system, but it is not a 'self-evident' or 'natural' one like some Capitalists believe. It responds to inputs and outputs, and the leaders of our community (government) can use the will and common goals of the community to influence it. A favorite Green Party axiom comes to mind; " Tax bads, not Goods ". We should be using the Artifical Bounds that surround Capitalism to achieve goals... too many people hungry? Drop taxes on Food. Too many unemployed? Drop taxes on employment. Too much corruption? Create criminal law. Too much pollution? Create pollution taxes.
When the world achieves Common-market globalization, *these* 'external' bounds become *very* important. A profit-loving capitalist will look to externalize/minimalize costs and internalize/maximize profit. If one nation has lower taxes, this capitalist will see it as a benefit, BUT, what does a community do without Taxes money? The inequity will skyrocket, as the "haves" will use thier capital to extort profit, while the "have-nots" will become more and more marginalized (because, your "low tax" nation will not have the capability (in your all-free-capitalism future) to affect change). So, what do you do with the unemployed? They cant goto school because there are no free schools. They cant goto work because they cant pay for a car, or the Road Fee (remember your freemarket), or whatever...
Bottom Line: You *need* taxes to address a communities problems. Now, in your "eliminate debt/deficit (a good goal)" on the way to "lowering taxes", your nation starts down the Race to the Bottom.
When the system becomes unequal enough, when the majority become marganilized enough, when the rich get rich enough, and the poor get poor enough, THATS when things get interesting. What happens? History already knows; The weak rise against the powerfull and redistribute the wealth and remake the system.
Argue all you'd like, but money is a magnet, and without a Social Conscience involved in stearing Capitalism to do more than address the goals of a few Capialists, your 'middleclass' gets squeezed enough to start to identify with the have-nots... and they will start to Question The System.
CanadaDave, I *am* a Social Democrat, I have voted NDP.
Your Capitalist market needs balance, the International Coporate Class must not be allowed to manipulated the future relations of nations in order to pit nations/people against one another. If a Global Free market is needed, then all participating *must* have equal labour law, criminal law, environemental law, tax law etc etc etc. *If* it doesnt, the Capitalist will pick and choose the benefits from each Community and pit them against one another to make *his own* law like the Lowest Barrier... this is a recipe for disaster.
huh? if your on Kazaa, and downloading files, someone out there is taking risk for your cowardly, leeching ass
no kids. married. wife works a good drive away.
if we had DENSE urban spaces, you *would* be closer to work -- get it?
Work would be closer to everyone. your *new* job would *ALSO* not be 200kms away -- get it?
as far as feeling superior, give me a break, this is not a holier-than-thou problem, its real... pollution is real. habitat loss is real. agricultural land-loss is real. spiraling-tax rates are real... all WORSENED by spreading out all over hell's-half-acre.
Your arguments are straw men, actually if you re-read your post, you see that you are lamenting exactly the same problems I am. You just dont see that the SUBURBIA causes the problem.
well, honestly, why couldnt your kids run around in a park? the reality is that cities are safe -- but major-network news breeds fear (really).
Well, wanting to 'stretch' out is reasonable enough i guess, but your 'stretching out' is *expensive* to the community (see ills of sprawl @ link above) -- if you were *really* paying for your house in the suburb, you would find it a more reasonable $$ decision to live in the city.
You've found home in the suburbs a better financial situation because of a warped system..
... make car owners, road users (especially the transport industry) pay for EVERY bit of expense. roads, highways, parking lots, curbs -- EVERYTHING.
When your auto comes withe appropriate price tag/monthly service charge (say, $4-5K P.A.) people will start to re-think how they live.
Im not saying "tax them out of existance", im saying make them pay there own bloody way. One Green Party axiom comes to mind; "Tax Bads not Goods". That tax policy is a way to influence our communities... and if that policy is 100,000k tax credits on 6,000lb SUVs you yanks are going to end up with a warped reality, one that *encourages* irresponsibility.
Sure, rich campaign donors (auto co's and oil co's) love the current regulatory regime, but people with sense understand that the current unsustainable communities/transportation modes is crazy, destructive and expensive. Why continue?
well, really, w/r/t the space, no there is not much you can do about that. More density does (kinda) mean less "land" -- but that can be balanced with parks, greenspaces, community farms etc wich help take the edge off most 'urban' areas...
As for it 'costing triple' thats not really true. see, the whole community (both yoruself and the urbanites are paying taxes that make it appear your saving money out in the burbs... not really true. tax / regulatory systems have to be changed to end the subsidy of sprawl.
The problem is your not living close enough to work, your City is being/has been designed poorly and you're local government isnt in touch. Have a look at this website on Sprawl
I ride to work because I live in an old part of town, in a 100yr+ old semi-detached brownstone. My employer is a few blocks away -- why? because I *chose* to live here to be near to work (smart eh?).
Over the last 30 years urban density has decreased by 30% WHILE N.America has become more urbanized AND population has increased; the end result is urban systems designed around the auto and not the individual. COMPLETELY BROKEN.
Besides the health and environmental benefits, slowing sprawl will help ease public spending. Sprawl is terribly expensive; sure its cheap for you to plant a cheap home on a former farm outside of town, but the province/municipality has to pay to service that property -- not the developer and not the buyer... so you end up having existing neighbourhoods paying to build someone else's fresh suburb... all in all a *bad* way to live.
My suggestion: move closer to work. And lobby the local government for better public transport, bike-ways and pedestrian space... and GET OUT OF YOUR CAR.
Well, really, only a CORRUPT government has this problem. For some reason, you yankees will ONLY vote for the Democrats or Republicans -- both parties LONG since sold out to $BIG_MONEY.
If there is anyone living in the united states, who is at all interested in seeing your Democracy awaken from its current morbund funk, dont vote for a Republicrat. Vote Green, Social Democrat, Libertarian, Reform, Communist, Natural Law; ANYTHING -- just dont vote for Republicans or Democrats -- tell your friends.
I am (as I type this) wrestling with a Pioneer DVR-104. Ive updated MB bios, the drive's bios, this that and the other thing. Running under Windows XP Pro, and HATING the damn thing...
Horsepucky. For every selfmade success, someone to pull himself/family from absolute poverty with a stellar idea, i can show you 10,000 trust-fund successes.
Rich sons and Rich daughters, buy their way into ivy-league schools and cheat their way through to a moron degree. Given jobs by their golf-club friends.
Their biggest skill? condescension and the confidence that comes with never having cleaned a fucking toilet in their lives.
I work in the Auto Industry (big three), our Plant Manager (a small, old plant) makes somewhere near US$500,000 PA. Her major talent? A former VP father, and the ability to parrot the latest useless goddamn management initiative.
She hasnt a *CLUE* about what the hell is going on, she gets lied to by a group of old-timers who REALLY run the show, and play lip-service to her bullcrap to keep her at arms-distance. Every 2years they send another one of these morons from Michigan to sit in a the parade of previous morons... The only thing they know is how to take meetings and talk about "process improvments to deliver an increase in our internal-customer's usability metric."
This cruft, AT THE TOP is running the West into the ground, fat and stupid, these morons propagandize to the public to BUY BUY BUY BUY (and the sheeple happily follow) without any concern for long-term planning, the planet and the ability of my great-great-grandchildren to eat... Im not going to buy a $100,000 yacht on the backs of my neighbours kids -- but this idiot is in charge of 1000 people in my building would do it happily, giggling all the way to the bank.
...reducing the entire planet to a giant slum.
h e-peasants-here%
hey, thats not true -- their wont be a giant slum -- I'll bet Africa could grow into a lovely fortress for the rich... Just that the middle class, which formerly acted as a barrier between the haves and have-nots will be sufficiently squeezed to start to identify with the have-nots... THEN things start to get interesting.
See the American Revolution, French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Cuban Revolution, %your-favorite-monarch/ruling-class-disposed-by-t
*OR* the planet can start to get serious about the business of fair and equitable society. Equal Opportunity for all. Help for those who need it. Peace. Prosperity for all -- not just a few rich SOB CEOs who will run away with a bag-o-cash in a heartbeat, these people are 'world-citizens', they are rich, they can pick up and scoot off to where-ever the hell's not burning... and their newly minted middle class will be happy for the prosperity that trickles down -- and will send their civilized sons and daughters to fight our evil great-grandchildren
heheh in your case, choice == money to buy care... what do those without money do? die?
THAT is the basic difference... the rest of the world has (via their democratic institutions) decided that THEY are better with universal and equal care FOR ALL. THAT is OUR choice.
get it? Do you know what Social Democracy is?
Interesting that "Funding for TIA All But Dead" is the tag on a $169 MILLION budget. Really, I'd say that $400 was the long shot, and the $169 was the "awww shucks, i guess we'll be real thrifty and carefull with this new project and only spend $170 Million". The TIA project is sadly offensive in a USA where the whole shebang is getting budgeted on BORROWED money. Either people have to sit up and decide to pay their taxes for this jibberish or they need to ease up on the Orwellian Nightmare Funding Project... aka TIA.
Maybe they can put this TIA thing back a year and do something about the crumbling inner-city-Detroit, or poor without food/healthcare, or some-other-more-worthy-project.
Really, even with that said, who really thinks that the DoD/CIA/NSA/FBI couldnt come up with the money (even in *addition* to what they spend now) to fund such a project. Dont think just because they are *reporting* to be less serious about it; "hey look - were cutting its funding - its not a priority (since you were so offended..)", this Stasi-Like crap is only gonna get more severe as your country slips into a deeper self-induced paranoia/schitzophrenia... and Bush is driving the bus.
If you include the money, paid out-of-pocket by Americans for their health care, and add the two, the US moves up pretty fast in the "most taxed" list (top 5 i thought)...
Americans look down their nose at europe/canada; "You pay Soooooo much tax" but then dont consider EXACTLY what programs are offered.